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Wednesday, 21 October 1964

The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN - 1 do not know how the honorable senator can connect his remarks on the two airline system with the proposed vote under discussion.

Senator ORMONDE - The matter is covered by " Administration ". The M inister and most honorable senators opposite talk about the two airline policy. We of the Australian Labour Party are reasonably happy about that, because the Government admits that at least half of the air services should be socialised. Honorable senators opposite agree with that.

Senator Morris - Not necessarily.

Senator ORMONDE - The Minister has said that we will have a socialised line and a privately owned line. That is not bad progress over a few years. We have the services half socialised. To that extent we are happy. The point I am getting to is this: Can the Minister visualise a situation wherein Ansett Transport Industries Ltd. not only could own and control its interstate lines but also could gobble up all the intrastate private lines over a period? In recent months it has shown that it is anxious to do that. If that situation develops, if the

Ansett organisation owns all of the smaller ones after having bought the shares, and if T.A.A. has only its interstate services, will that comply with the two airline policy, in foe Government's view?

Senator Marriott - Does the honorable senator know anything about intrastate air services in Tasmania?

Senator ORMONDE - No, I do not, really. I have not yet heard any Tasmanian senators on the subject. I am talking about the position in New South Wales and the general principle involved. If that situation id develop over the next few years, would that be in accordance with the Government's policy of two airlines for Australia?

There is another feature which has not been mentioned much in the Senate, namely the development of freight services. I should like the Minister to tell me what is the policy regarding freight services. If T may go outside the scope of the Estimates to say a few words, the New South Wales Government had a broader interest than the dispute between Airlines of New South Wales Pty. Ltd. and East-West Airlines Ltd.

The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN - It might be out of order to discuss that.

Senator ORMONDE - Well, I shall conclude on that. The New South Wales Government has to consider the general transport situation, involving its own transport services, including train services and bus services. I return to my original question and ask the Minister whether he will clear tip that matter. His explanation would be of interest to the general public.

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