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Thursday, 24 June 1915

Senator PEARCE - They were not turned down for that at all.

Senator McDOUGALL - I have the floor now, and I say that they were turned down because they carried out the Minister's instructions to exhaust commissioned officers before they went to the ranks. Any one who can see a hole in a ladder must, know the reason. Every one knows what is behind it all.

Senator Pearce - What is behind it all!

Senator McDOUGALL - I do not like to say . these things at this stage. Perhaps, after the war is over, I may have an opportunity to bring these things to light, and to settle some of the little differences which apparently exist between the Minister and myself. The honorable senator cannot sit quiet and hear a little criticism and a little advice.

Senator Pearce - Bring it all out now. The honorable senator should not leave it until after the war. I .do not wish to have anything concealed.

Senator McDOUGALL - I do not think the Minister is the only pebble on the beach. I never did think so.

Senator Pearce - I challenge the honorable senator to bring out anything He has got now.

Senator McDOUGALL - I have given the Minister one matter. Let him get on with that. The honorable senator's interjections are disorderly.

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT.- Senator McDougall is lending himself to them.

Senator McDOUGALL - Oh, I see. I am lending myself to interjections, and asking for them. I have done nothing of the sort. I believe, sir, that it is your duty, when an honorable senator is addressing the Senate, to see that he is not interrupted if he objects to interruptions. I am sorry for these little interruptions. I did not intend to go so far as I have gone. I intended simply to give the Minister a little advice, which from the position I occupy, I am entitled to do. I do not think that I have said anything outrageous at all. The references the Minister has made to myself and my colleagues opposite do not matter to me. They only go to prove my contention that -there is something wrong. I have not .said a word to either Senator Millen or

Senator Gouldupon matters connected with the war since the war has been on. I have been with them on the train, but I have never mentioned the administration of the Defence Department, or anything connected with the war to them. For the Minister to say what he has said is simply an indication that the honorable senator has lost his balance. He wants a little more stamina and a little more appreciation of the fact that others are as good as-he is. I consider myself as good as the honorable senator now or at any other time.

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