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Wednesday, 17 July 1912


Senator GARDINER (New South Wales.) . - As the members of the Opposition do not seem inclined to continue the debate, I shall offer a few words in reply to what has been said. This unexpected closing of the debate has taken me somewhat unawares. We have had only two speeches from the other side, although they pro' mised us a most strenuous criticism of the Government.


Senator Millen - Have you not had enough ?


Senator GARDINER - It is rather pleasing to find that on the one question on which, in another place, the Government were to some extent condemned, and that is the failure of the Government, during the recess, to send troops to Queensland, the two speakers from the other side - the Leader of the Opposition and Senator St. Ledger - have shown by their silence that they are in sympathy with the action of the Government.


Senator Millen - When we do speak, you object to our criticism, and when we do not you take an objection.


Senator GARDINER - I simply take it that in this instance silence gives consent. I do not believe that these two honorable senators join in that hungry cry for blood of which we heard so much in the other House. I do not believe that if they had occupied Mr. Fisher's position they, would have sent troops to Queensland when they were asked for.


Senator Millen - What are you trying for?


Senator GARDINER - I am trying to find out what the opinions of my honorable friends are, if they have any. I am trying to test their courage by getting an expression of opinion from. them. I am pleased that, on the great constitutional question, they have no fault to find with the Government.' It is rather pleasing that, in the Senate at any rate, no member of the Opposition has shown a desire to express disapproval of the action of the Government. I am very pleased with that .position, because, no' matter what may be the clamour of the press, no matter what may be the clamour of certain politicians who have no responsibility to discharge, or who represent constituencies so safe that they are allowed pretty well a free hand, we have only to look at the management of workers by the best men who have had to deal with difficult industrial troubles, to find that the safest way is to give a fair amount of latitude, and not to adopt the method of trying, by the display of force, to drive men into submission in one direction or the other. This afternoon Senator St. Ledger, in trying to defend the attitude of Mr. Badger-


Senator St Ledger - I did not.


Senator GARDINER - I am pleased to hear the honorable senator say that he does not defend the attitude of Mr. Badger.


Senator St Ledger - He is not in the issue, but you are.


Senator GARDINER - If the honorable senator was not defending the attitude of a gentleman about whom he had a good deal to say this afternoon, and whose one act was responsible for the strike in Brisbane, and that is the act, according to his sworn testimony in the Arbitration Court, of discharging' nine men because they turned up to work wearing the badge of their organization - if the honorable senator was not defending his attitude it appeared so to une.


Senator Millen - Was that a justification for calling out the forty-two unions?


Senator GARDINER - Yes, when the liberties of working men were attacked in that manner. The honorable senator cannot pretend not to understand what was happening at that time.


Senator Millen - I do understand it.


Senator GARDINER - A plaint had been laid before the Arbitration Court, and

Mr. Badgerwas deliberately following out the process of discharging all known unionists, in the hope that when the case came on there would not be one unionist left among the tramway company's employes.


Senator Millen - Admitting that Mr. Badger was as bad as you say, was that a justification for calling out forty-two unions with the view of bringing the community into a state of collapse?


Senator GARDINER - When persons holding responsible positions are pursuing a course which is calculated to get them outside the law of the land, then I, for one, will always be prepared to throw in my lot with any men who in consequence of such action are suffering gross injustice.


Senator St Ledger - And lay up the State railways?


Senator GARDINER - I know all the difficulties.


Senator Millen - Would you make an attack on the general community because of the wrong- doing of one man?


Senator GARDINER - Yes. Where is the wrong-doing to the workers going to end unless some stand is made against it? The chief wrong-doer at Brisbane was the man who, after a plaint .had been laid before the Arbitration Court, deliberately turned out of his employment every man who was known to have any sympathy with trade unionism. What have we heard from honorable senators about his wrongdoing? Not one word.


Senator Rae - They have to stand by such men.


Senator GARDINER - Not only that, but these men are part and parcel of those who sent honorable senators here. Of course, honorable senators stand by them on every occasion. I am. glad to see Senator Gould in the chamber, because, when I moved the adoption of the AddressinReply, he made an interjection implying that the Caucus is a place where we are drilled into an opinion, and by direct statement he said that I never criticised this Labour Government. I have the answer in the speech of Senator Millen, who, on the following afternoon, complained that my speech was flattering to the Government, and quite in contrast with my usual criticism of them. Both statements cannot be correct. Either Senator Gould was wrong when he said that the Caucus does not permit us to criticise the Government, or Senator Millen was wrong when he said that I had frequently, criticised them.


Senator Millen - The explanation is that the Caucus had not met on the matters on which you exercised your independence.


Senator GARDINER - No; the honorable senator is simply doing now what he takes the opportunity to do on every platform on which he appears. He preaches a story which fits the occasion ; truth goes by the board altogether. The honorable senator upbraided me for not mentioning the Werriwa election in my speech. I really thought that if there was one thing more than another which- I should leave alone on such an occasion it was a contest from which I had come quite fresh. I was, perhaps, putting a great restraint upon myself in not referring to the fact that the Fusion party were taking credit, not only here, 'but outside, for having obtained a great victory there. From one end of the electorate to the other they circulated little pamphlets, in which they set forth all the great victories which they had achieved during the past two years. The first victory claimed was that at Boothby ; the next victory was that at the referenda, and afterwards they accepted the result of the Tasmanian elections as one of their victories. One of the most humorous events of the campaign was the circulation of a placard throughout the electorate claiming the result of those elections as a victory for the Liberal party.


Senator Millen - Hear, hear !


Senator GARDINER - Well, I wish my honorable friends many such victories.


Senator Pearce - They never mentioned the elections in Western Australia.


Senator GARDINER - They admitted that they suffered a defeat there.


Senator Millen - Do you compare the recent Tasmanian elections with the Federal elections of two years ago?


Senator GARDINER - The Liberal party, as my honorable friends term themselves, or the anti-Labour party, as I term them, is the same whether it is in Tasmania or in South Australia.


Senator de Largie - The Capitalistic party is the right name to use.


Senator GARDINER - In Tasmania the Liberal party faced the electors with nineteen supporters, and the Labour party with eleven. The Liberal party came back with fifteen supporters and the Labour party with fourteen, and there was one Independent gentleman - so independent that he walked out of the chamber recently, and left the Liberal party to be saved by the casting vote of the Speaker. And in the face 'of all constitutional procedure in selfgoverning countries the Government continue to conduct public business.


Senator Millen - I wish you would preach that doctrine to Mr. McGowen.


Senator GARDINER - As soon as the Labour Government in New South Wales lost their majority in the Legislative Assembly, the first official act they did was to hand to the Governor their resignation.


Senator ALBERT GOULD (NEW SOUTH WALES) -Colonel Sir AlbertGould. - And then to make an arrangement with Mr. Willis.


Senator GARDINER - I think that the less my honorable friend says about Mr. Willis the better for his own party. As soon as two of our members had resigned, and without waiting for the elections to be decided, which they could well have done*, the Government had such a great respect' for constitutional procedure that they immediately handed in their resignation. What happened then? The two vacant seats were won by Labour, and that gave the Labour Government a majority of two without the services of Mr. Willis. But now let me compare Mr. Willis, as he has been mentioned by Senator Gould-


Senator MiLLEN -Are you defending his action ?


Senator GARDINER - The action of Mr. Willis, as Speaker, can be defended on any platform.


Senator Millen - Are you defending hisaction ?


Senator GARDINER - His action inregard to his own party I have no desire to defend. What is happening in the New South Wales Parliament in connexion with the attitude of the anti-Labour or Fusion party to the Speaker? There is not one platform on which the Leader of the Opposition speaks that he does not use language against the Speaker, which, I think, is a discredit to any civilized country.


Senator Long - These are the men who are always pleading for freedom of thought and action.


Senator GARDINER - The boast of the party opposite is that the differencebetween them and the Labour party is that they have freedom, yet when one of their number leaves the party, not to join theother side, but to take the highest position which it is in the power of a Legislative Assembly to give, what do they say of that man?


Senator Millen - I ask the honorable senator again to say. whether he defends Mr. Willis' action ?


Senator GARDINER - What was the action of the party when Mr. Willis chose to exercise his freedom? When he takes-


Senator Millen - When he takes a bribe.


Senator GARDINER - Here is another of the so-called Liberal party who has descended so low as to speak of Mr. Willis taking a bribe.


Senator Millen - The honorable senator will not seriously contend that Mr. Willis' action can be defended and justified.


Senator GARDINER - I was proposing to refer to the conduct of Mr. Wade, and I can now add the conduct of Senator Millen, in the comments they have made upon the Speaker of the New South Wales Legislative Assembly, and to institute a comparison between their conduct and that of members of the British House of Commons.


The PRESIDENT - Order ! I wish to point out to Senator Gardiner that he is not at liberty to introduce new matter in speaking in reply to the debate. The matter to which he is now referring was not mentioned during the debate.


Senator GARDINER - I shall not trespass any further in that way. I was led to speak as I did by interjections, which were made during my speech. We were invited to consider the great victories obtained by the party opposite. The socalled victory in Tasmania was one, and it has placed the Government of that State in a position which, so far as my knowledge goes, no other Government in any British community ever occupied. They ave hanging on to office when virtually defeated. They also claim the result of the referenda as a victory, so great and crushing that in their opinion the Labour party ought immediately to have resigned office when they found the will of the people expressed against them. Well, let us compare the voting for Werriwa at the referenda and at the recent by-election. In round numbers, the votes recorded in the Werriwa district at the referenda against the Labour party were 8,000, and for the Labour party 4,000. Within twelve months a by-election took place in the district, and the Labour party not only won back what they had lost on the occasion of the referenda, but increased their vote from 4,000 to 10,883. The other side increased their vote only from 8.000 to 10,500. If it be claimed that the voting at the referenda was a victory for the opposite party, I think I am' justified in saying that it was merely a skirmish, and when the parties came face to face at the recent election the verdict of the referenda was reversed. In the contest for the Werriwa seat we had no advantage over the party opposite. The candidate run by the Fusion party had previously represented the constituency, and had suffered defeat by only 500 votes. The candidate we ran for Werriwa, though an excellent man, was new to politics, and yet his votes were six more than the number polled by Mr. Hall, one of our ablest campaigners, when he defeated Mr. Ryrie for the same electorate. The Leader of the Opposition said that honorable members on this side would take good care not to refer to Werriwa.


Senator Millen - Because they might find it difficult to explain the loss of 1,500 votes from their majority.


Senator GARDINER - There was no loss of 1,500 to our side, but as a matter of fact we gained many additional votes. Although we were told that the abolition of postal voting prevented a number of people from recording their votes, the total number polled at the Werriwa election represented 76 per cent, of the electors on the roll. Yet Senator Millen and other honorable senators opposite went around telling die people that the Electoral Act we passed disfranchised a number of persons.


Senator Millen - If the postal vote had been in force more than 76 per cent, of the electors would have voted.


Senator GARDINER - There was never so big a poll before in the electorate, even with postal voting, and the fact is that we gave greater facilities for voting than were given previously, even under the postal voting system


Senator Millen - Those greater facilities, if there are any given by the Act, did not apply to that by-election.


Senator GARDINER - It is only fair that the honorable senator should admit that we did give greater facilities to the people to record their votes.


Senator Millen - I admit nothing of the kind.


Senator GARDINER - The difficulty about the postal vote was that it was chiefly secured by wealthy persons, such as Senator Millen represents, who had sufficient money at their command to send out professional canvassers to collect those votes. When Senator E. J. Russell was seconding the motion for the adoption of the Address-in-Reply, .he asked the Opposition to say what piece of legislation passed by this party had ever injured any one in the community. The only reply to his question was made by another of my colleagues in the representation of New South Wales. Senator Walker said that a friend of his had lost two-thirds of his income by the passing of the land tax. Senator Walker is a man who has a very big reputation in New South Wales, and probably throughout Australia, in matters of finance. His word is taken whenever he gives it, and I am not doubting his statement that his friend lost two-thirds of his income because of the operation of the land tax. That is the honorable senator's most serious charge against the legislation we have passed. But let us see how the matter works out. If a mar owns land of the unimproved value of £5,000, he pays no Federal land tax at all. If he has land of the unimproved value of £10,000 he pays an annual tax of £24 and a few odd shillings. It is clear, therefore, that if Senator Walker's friend held land of the unimproved value of £10,000, and lost two-thirds of his income as a result of the operation of the tax, he must have been making something less than £37 a year out of his property. When a man holds land of the unimproved value of ,£10,000 it will usually be found to be worth double that amount if the value of the improvements upon it are taken into account. We may, therefore, assume that Senator Walker's friend held property of a total value of £20,000, and was making less than. £37 a year out of it. I say that if the Government steps in and interferes with men who handle landed property in that way it is not only a good thing for the country, but for the owners of the land themselves. If Senator Walker's friend was compelled to sell his land, and got only about half its value for it, he should be getting a few hundred pounds a year from the money he was paid for it instead of a paltry £37. The same argument will apply if we follow out the operation of the land tax with respect to estates of the highest value. Senator Millen took good care not to make any statement on this subject.


Senator Millen - My statement has been that honorable senators opposite have not passed a single measure that has benefited anybody.


Senator GARDINER - I am very pleased to have heard that interjection. It is true that we have not passed legislation to benefit any one person. Our legislation has been passed for the benefit of the whole of the people of Australia. We do not pass legislation to assist any one individual or company, and we are not on the look out to provide our friends with positions. Senator Millen attacked the Government for having made political appointments, because out of the many appointments which the Government have made he was able to say that two gentlemen who received positions, and a third party who was offered a position, were at some time in their lives connected with the Labour movement. I can quite understand that it came as a shock to Senator Millen and his friends to hear that any one connected with the Labour movement had been appointed to a Government position. I make no secret of my views, and I say that I hope that after the next election some more Labour appointments will be made. If the people say that men from the mines, workshops, and factories of this country should manage its affairs, those whom they have trusted with their confidence should be prepared to admit that there are men in the ranks of the workers quite competent to manage any big Department of the State.


Senator ALBERT GOULD (NEW SOUTH WALES) -Colonel SirAlbert Gould. - "The spoils to the victors."


Senator GARDINER - The honorable senator has been for so long a member of a party who resented the giving of spoils to any but the political victors that he seems to be under the impression that people holding views similar to his own should always govern the country.


Senator Millen - To what party did Mr. Lang well belong?


Senator GARDINER - He, was appointed by the Lyne Government, whom Senators Millen and Gould did their best to put out of office.


Senator Millen - The honorable senator has said that not a single Labour man received an appointment from previous Governments, and I ask him to what partyMr. Langwell belonged?


Senator GARDINER - I say that he was appointed by a Government with which Senator Millen was not connected, and which he did not support. The honorable senator based his charge against the present Government on the fact that two out of many positions were filled by men connected with the Labour movement.


Senator Millen - I mentioned three, but a difference of 50 per cent, is nothing to the honorable senator.


Senator GARDINER - Though I may sometimes overlook what has been said, I never desire to misrepresent any one. I will admit that the honorable senator mentioned three cases. He complained of the appointment of Mr. Ryland and of Dr. Jansen, and that an appointment had been offered to Mr. Nielsen.


Senator Millen - What about Mr. Campbell and Mr. Shannon, who were also defeated Labour men?


Senator GARDINER - When we consider that at the last Federal elections a great majority of the electors of Australia voted for our party, I am surprised that, the great majority of the appointments made by the Government were not of Labour sympathizers, if they can rightly be charged with making political appointments. When Senator Millen charges the Government with making political appointments, because he has been able to discover that three or four persons associated with the Labour movement have received appointments, I might just as well say that, because the name of the Prime Minister is Andrew Fisher, and Professor Gilruth is a Scotchman, the Government should be blamed for making appointments because of the nationality of those appointed. Because Senator Millen can discover in a whole list of appointments some four or five persons who have at some time exhibited their sympathy with the Labour party he condemns their appointments as unsound. Take the case of Dr. Jansen. If ever my honorable friends opposite come into power I hope that they will give all appointments to the most deserving applicants. »


Senator Millen - Hear ! hear. And not to persons whose views are in sympathy with those of the Minister.


Senator McGregor - Should the Government hunt for their opponents to give them billets?


Senator GARDINER - In this connexion I am reminded that some time ago Senator Millen and myself were defeated at the poll. But there happened to be in power at the time a Government in New South Wales which was prepared to reward the honorable senator, and which immediately appointed him to the Legislative Council. Would it have been a fair thing in the circumstances for me to have complained that political influence underlay his appointment?


Senator Millen - That same Government also appointed three members of the Labour party to the Upper House.


Senator GARDINER - That was a tribute to their good sense. It would take three members of our party to look after the honorable senator. But the fact that Senator Millen was defeated at the poll did not make him less fitted to discharge his legislative duties in the Upper House. The Leader of the Opposition has himself admitted that he could find only three men to whose appointment exception could be taken.


Senator Millen - I said nothing of the sort. I will find many more cases before the session closes.


Senator GARDINER - I hope that the honorable senator will. Nott withstanding the large amount of political patronage at their disposal very little has been urged against the appointments made by the Government. That circumstance emphasizes the weakness of the Opposition attack. Further, honorable senators opposite cannot point to a single individual who is better qualified to fill any office than is the applicant who has been appointed.


Senator Millen - I will give a case in point. It is that of Mr. Taylor, whose qualifications from every stand-point are superior to those of Dr. Jansen.


Senator GARDINER - That statement is quite in keeping with the assertions usually made by the Leader of the Opposition.


Senator de Largie - Dr. Jansen has a European reputation as a geologist.


Senator GARDINER - I would ask Senator Millen whether Mr. Taylor applied for the position?


Senator Millen - I do not know that he had the. chance to do sp, but he is already in the Public Service.


Senator Pearce - The position was publicly advertised.


Senator GARDINER - The statement of Senator Millen only serves to emphasize the splendid opportunities which the Government gave to all persons to apply for the position. He cannot expect the Ministry to coax persons to forward applications. In my opinion. Dr. Jansen's qualifications will not only bear m comparison with those of the gentleman whose name has been mentioned, but with those of anybody else, either inside or outside of the Commonwealth. Senator Millen ought to know that his appointment is a first class one. Then take the case of Mr. Miller, the Governor of the Commonwealth Bank. I admit that the salary which he is to be paid is a huge one. But when we are told that the services of first class bankers cannot be obtained unless we are prepared to pay them big salaries, I say that, as the business of this institution is going to be extremely large-


Senator E J RUSSELL (VICTORIA) - But Senator Millen says that the Government have secured the services of only a second class man.


Senator GARDINER - I admit that when the Government have to go to the other side to fill important positions they have to be content with second class men. If the Ministry assure me that the salary paid to Mr. Miller is not too large for the position-


Senator McGregor - And we never asked him whether he was a Labour man.


Senator GARDINER - I venture to say that that question has not been asked except in cases where the Government desired to have their policy carried out by some one who was in sympathy with it. The salary of the Governor of the Commonwealth Bank seems to me an enormous one, and the three guineas per day travelling expenses which he is to be allowed, are, to my mind, altogether excessive. I do not believe in any officer being granted a larger travelling allowance than is granted to the Prime Minister of Australia. But', doubtless, there are any number of Prime Ministers offering, and only a very few first glass bankers. Consequently the old law of supply and demand asserts itself.


Senator Millen - Would the honorable senator send them to the Arbitration Court?


Senator GARDINER - Thanks to the Arbitration Court, and to the Government which brought it into existence, the workers of the Commonwealth have been able to put into their pockers thousands of pounds over and above what is being paid away in large salaries. Take the case of the Australian Workers Union. In the other branch of the Legislature reference was recently made to the last elections, and Colonel Ryrie seemed to connect me with something that he had in his mind in such a way that, were it not that the experiment would be such a costly one, I would feel inclined to pull his nose.


Senator Millen - There is another difficulty in the case of Colonel Ryrie.


Senator GARDINER - If the honorable senator will give me his assurance that the first difficulty will be overcome, I can tell him that the second will disappear. When Colonel Ryrie uses my name immediately after saying that certain combines have paid huge sums into' the coffers of the Labour party, my reply is that during the twenty years that I have been connected with that party I have never received a sixpence which I did not earn.


Senator Millen - Does not the honorable senator think that he ought to make these statements direct to Colonel Ryrie instead of asking me to carry them ?


Senator GARDINER - Seeing that Colonel Ryrie made his statements concerning me publicly, I take this opportunity of replying publicly. I am pleased, indeed, that this debate is terminating in a way which promises welt for the carrying out of the Government programme before the session closes. I think that when this Parliament expires, no matter what party may be returned in a majority, it will be able to say that we have done well, not merely for one section, but for all classes of the community. So far as the measures which have been enacted are concerned, and so far as the administration of the Government is concerned, no serious charge has been levelled against them. The Leader of the Opposition has made every effort to find something to say in their condemnation. But he has failed utterly. The very weakness of his attack is the greatest possible proof that the Government have done very little to which exception can be taken, because if there is one man in the public life of this country who could twist the smallest incident into something of a grave nature it is the gentleman win.) so ably leads the Opposition . in this Chamber.


Senator Millen - I neither desired to twist any incident, nor was it necessary for me to do so. . The facts are sufficient.


Senator GARDINER - What are the facts, side by side with the predictions in which the honorable senator and his party indulged during the last elections? At that time the people were assured that if a Labour Government came into power capital would be driven nut of the country. They were told that the prosperity which the party opposite declared they had built up would collapse like a pricked bladder, Yet what are the facts? From one end of Australia to the other, trade and commerce were never more flourishing than they are to-day. Every State is enjoying the prosperity which has signalized the reign of the Labour Government. Then we have been told that the Commonwealth note issue is wrong. Honorable senators opposite are not at all satisfied, because there is a profit of £200,000 a year accruing from it. Because there is a certain number of these notes in the tills of the banks Senator St. Ledger has contended that they are not in circulation. But if each morning there are £100,000 worth of Commonwealth notes in the bank tills all of those notes may have passed into circulation, and have been replaced by other notes before the business for the day has closed.


Senator St Ledger - One of the weak spots of the issue is that there are so many Commonwealth notes in the bank tills.


Senator GARDINER - -I am quite sure that the great banking authorities of the Commonwealth will put their good gold into the Treasury, and will take out what my honorable friends are pleased to call " Fisher's flimsies.". I well remember the party opposite telling us that these notes would not be worth 19s. in a very brief period.


Senator McGregor - Fifteen shillings.


Senator GARDINER - I did not want to refer to their statement that the notes would not be worth 15s., because that was the cry which they raised at the Werriwa by-election. There they stated that owing to Customs taxation the purchasing value of a sovereign had been reduced to 15s. Mr. Conroy told the people of Goulburn that he was going to fight to increase the purchasing power of a sovereign, and with this end in view he would wipe away Customs taxation. At the time he made that statement Senator McColl was writing to him, wishing him success in his campaign. It is very significant that, whilst my honorable friends opposite allowed Free Traders to address the electors at Goulburn, Mr. Deakin, the Leader of the Protectionist party in Australia, was compelled to sneak round the back places.


Senator Millen - Is Yass a "back" place ?


Senator GARDINER - As compared with Goulburn, which has 7,000 electors on the rolls, it is. When Mr. Deakin has to play third fiddle to Mr. Joseph Cook and Senator Millen, we can understand one of two things. I wonder whether, at the next election, the people of Victoria will permit Mr. Deakin, Senator McColl, and others, to play second fiddle to Free Traders like Mr.

Cook, Senator Millen, Senator Gould, and that class of men, as was the case in Werriwa.


Senator ALBERT GOULD (NEW SOUTH WALES) -Colonel SirAlbert Gould. - I did not go to Werriwa.


Senator GARDINER - No; I give the honorable senator credit for having the good judgment not to interfere in a losing fight ! The people of Victoria must be given to understand that if the Opposition party win the next election, the voice of Mr. Deakin, owing to the constitution of the Fusion party, will be a very weak one in its councils, and that men like Senators Millen, Gould, and McColl will rule - men who were ready to welcome into the Federal Parliament a man who was posing before the electors at the Goulburn end of the electorate that not only was he a Free Trader and a Single-Taxer, but that, if elected, he would teach the Fusion Party that the Tariff must be reduced. Yet Senator Millen says that I have not the courage to make reference to the figures at Werriwa. I am very pleased that this motion has been so well received, though I am sorry that the Opposition have not addressed themselves to it at greater length. In my opening remarks, I asked them to state fairly upon the floor of this Senate what they had to say against the Government. I said that we " invited criticism"; and when the Leader of the Opposition rose to reply, he said that I had stated that they " deserved criticism." Twisting words in that fashion will not do the Leader of the Opposition any good, and I hope that in future, when he refers to what honorable senators on this side say, he will not shift a word out of its proper place in order to convey a false impression.


Senator Millen - I hope that I shall not speak in such a way as to merit the applause and approval of the honorable senator's party.


Senator GARDINER - When I made reference at Paddington to what the honorable senator had said about the Commonwealth Bank, he stated that he would give the real facts on a later occasion, but when they were given they proved' to be identical with what I had said. I am sure that the motion will be carried unanimously.

Question resolved in the affirmative.

Motion (by Senator McGregor) agreed to-

That the address be presented to His Excellency ' the Governor-General by the President and such senators as may desire to accompany him.







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