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Wednesday, 23 November 1910

Senator MCGREGOR (South Australia) (Vice-President of the Executive Council) . - There still seems to be a. good deal of haziness in the minds of some honorable senators, particularly Senator Stewart, with respect to not only this Bill, but the whole foundation of our proposed Military Forces. The question under discussion has reference only to entrance to the Military College. It has no relation whatever to the officering of the Citizen Forces.

Senator Sayers - The graduates of the Military College will be our future officers, I hope.

Senator McGREGOR - That is where honorable senators show a want of knowledge with respect to the whole scheme. Those who will be educated in the Military College will not be the captains, lieutenantcolonels, and colonels in the Citizen Forces.

Senator Sayers - We hope that they will rise to those ranks.

Senator McGREGOR - They will, be the officers of the Permanent Forces, and will really ' form the instructional staff under our scheme. Every officer in the Citizen Forces, however, will have to pass through the ranks.

Senator Sayers - Without undergoing an examination at all?

Senator McGREGOR - To rise to the rank of an officer he will have to pass an examination, but not to undergo such a course of training as is covered by this provision. If honorable senators only thoroughly understood the position in connexion with the Defence Forces, they would know a little more about the present proposal. 1 am sure that it is because they have not thoroughly studied the position that we have had this long discussion on a simple matter. I have already indicated sufficiently the intentions of the Government.

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