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Tuesday, 8 November 1910


The CHAIRMAN - It is quite competent for the honorable senator to move that paragraph b be struck out, as, so far, no amendment has been made in the clause.


Senator Millen - I have always understood that an amendment having been moved upon a certain part of a clause it is not competent for the Committee to entertain an amendment earlier in the clause. I have no wish to frustrate the desire of Senator Long, and I might suggest another way of achieving it, but I think we should follow the same procedure on every occasion. Hitherto the practice has been laid down that having reached a certain point in a Bill we could not go back.


The CHAIRMAN - The amendment which was moved by Senator Rae was not carried, and therefore the question which is now under consideration is " That the clause be agreed to." In the absence of any rule to the contrary it is quite competent for Senator Long to submit an amendment to the clause.


Senator Pearce - I would suggest that there is a way in which Senator Long can test the feeling of the Committee without contravening the Standing Orders. He may move the omission of all the words after " standard ' ' in paragraph b of subclause 2.


Senator Millen - How can he do that? We should then be going back.


Senator Pearce - I had overlooked the fact that Senator Rae's amendment dealt with the last line' of paragraph c of subclause 2. It is true that we cannot go back.


Senator Long - As no preceding portion of the clause has been disposed of, I presume that it is still competent for me to discuss the provision as a whole.


The CHAIRMAN - Standing order 140 reads -

No amendment shall be proposed to any part of a question after a later part has been amended.

But I would point out that no amendment has been made in the clause. Then standing order 141 reads -

No amendment shall be proposed to be made to any words which the Senate has resolved shall not be left out, or which have been inserted in or added to a question, except it be the addition of other words thereto.


Senator Long - I can achieve my purpose by opposing the whole clause.


The CHAIRMAN - As there is nothing either in our Standing Orders or in previous decisions to guide me in a matter of this kind, I would suggest to the honorable senator that he can achieve his purpose by moving at a subsequent stage for the reconsideration of the clause.


Senator Long - I shall adopt that suggestion.

Clause agreed to:

Clauses 7 and 8 agreed to.







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