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Wednesday, 28 September 1910

Senator TURLEY (Queensland) .- I think that this clause must be considered quite independently of the schedule to the Bill which lays down the manning scale. Senator Gould has said that a vessel leaving England is required to carry a certificated master and two certificated officers. As a matter of fact, most vessels carry more than that number of certificated officers. It is very rarely that a man out of the forecastle is to be found acting as an officer on a ship at sea. But it used to be a regular practice. The man from the forecastle would not do any navigating work, but would perform duties which Would relieve the mates of a portion of their duties. He would not possess a certificate, because the ship would be complying with the law by carrying the number of certificated officers that she was obliged to carry. Exactly the same thing applies here in connexion with the manning scale. The first schedule to the Bill provides that foreign going ships and Australiantrade ships not exceeding 300 tons net register, shall carry a mate holding a first mate's certificate, and that sailing ships exceeding 300 tons net register, shall carry one first and one second mate, the latter holding a certificate not lower than that of second mate. But if after a vessel is at sea the master chooses to pay a man to do a portion of the work of an officer, he will be at liberty to do so, so long as he is complying with the law.

Senator Lt Colonel Sir Albert Gould - Steamers have to carry more.

Senator TURLEY - That is so. A large ship trading from the Old Country will probably carry about five mates. Most likely she is compelled to carry a certificated master and three certificated officers. But probably four out of the five officers which she carries will hold masters' certificates. So that even if one or two of these officers were to die on the voyage, she would still be complying with the law, and, if necessary, a man could be procured from the forecastle to do a portion of the work of one of the mates.

Senator Millen - Then the honorable senator's contention is that clause 22 will be inoperative.

Senator TURLEY - The large vessels trading with Australia from England usually carry more officers than they are required by law to carry. Almost any man upon them could act in the capacity of third and fourth mate if it were necessary for him to do so.

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