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Thursday, 12 April 1973
Page: 1392


Mr DALY (Grayndler) (Leader of the House) - Never have I heard a more phoney or hypocritical motion moved in this Parliament. I ask honourable members to look at the notice paper for today. It contains 2 motions by the honourable member for Mackellar (Mr Wentworth), both of them important and both of them deserving of the attention of this House. Consequently, the Government desired to allow debate on both of these motions in the time permitted for general business. But the honourable member for Mackellar, in his usual fashion, endeavoured to sidetrack the Parliament by making sure that there were 2 motions there and, in that way, to complicate the position. The Government, not desiring to have Mr Speaker waiting on a decision on the second motion - that Mr Speaker ought to be ashamed of himself - and not seeking to stop discussion on the other motion, saw no way out other than to divide the time available this morning between those 2 motions.

I was approached by the Deputy Leader of the Opposition (Mr Lynch) who suggested to me that, if the motion that the honourable member for Mackellar had submitted in regard to Mr Speaker being ashamed of himself was withdrawn, debate on the other matter could probably proceed until 12.45 p.m. I reluctantly and sorrowfully say that, against my better judgment, I accepted the word of the Deputy Leader of the Opposition that the honourable member for Mackellar would keep his word. What has happened is precisely what I thought would happen. First of all the honourable member put in a withdrawal motion of the second motion and has now withdrawn the withdrawal. I should have known that the honourable member would move his motion, take up the full time of the morning, withdraw the withdrawal again and put it on the notice paper. I am not doing him an injustice, but that is rotten and contemptible conduct.


Mr Wentworth - I demand that the Leader of the House withdraw something that is patently untrue and offensive to me.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Scholes - I ask the Leader of the House to withdraw those remarks.


Mr DALY - I withdraw the remarks but the facts are indisputable. I was asked this morning to let the honourable member go to that length. Then when the matter came before the Parliament - I am sorry I cannot use certain words - the honourable member stood up and said that the Government had blackmailed him into calling off his motion. That was a most dishonest approach. That is something that no selfrespecting leader of this House could tolerate. I formally advise the Deputy Leader of the Opposition that never again will 1 take his word for any arrangements made with the honourable member for Mackellar. The real reason behind what has occurred is that the Opposition did not want me to expose the falsity of what the honourable member for Mackellar was going to put up. It did not want me to lay open the charge and the fact that he had no support on either side of the chamber for his motion except for himself and probably one or two others. The action was subterfuge in order to destroy arrangements which the Government had entered into in the interests of this Parliament. The honourable member for Mackellar has now deviously withdrawn his withdrawal because he wants the Speaker to be under a cloud because of a subterfuge which does very little credit to the honourable member. If that is how he treats the high office that the Speaker occupies in this Parliament, thank God for this country that he is sitting on the Opposition side of the House.

I would just say to honourable members opposite that the Government has no desire to avoid debate on the abolition of the means test. We have been in government for only 3 or 4 months and already the means test has become well on the way to being abolished, despite the fact that the former Minister, the honourable member for Mackellar, and the Government he supported had been in office for about 23 years and had done nothing about it. I rise in this debate only to show up the falsity of the charges of honourable members opposite. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition knows full well that what I say is correct. Is he to be a party to allowing the honourable member for Mackellar to restore the motion against the Speaker to the business paper? The honourable member for Mackellar was called on to remove it this morning but instead put up one of his offsiders to move a motion to delay the time of the House so that the motion against the Speaker would not be moved today. The real purpose behind this motion is to stop the honourable member for Mackellar from moving the motion against the Speaker for which he knows he has no support on either side of this Parliament.


Mr Martin - To get him oS the hook.


Mr DALY - It is to get him off the hook. To prove that I am right, I state that the honourable member for Mackellar has withdrawn his withdrawal. I invite the honourable member to debate the motion forthwith if he sees fit.


Mr Chipp - Give him a chance.


Mr DALY - The honourable member for Hotham knows as well as I do when the time for this debate expires. He knows that the honourable member for Mackellar would stand up in the middle of it, start to move the motion and say: 'It is over till another day'.


Mr Chipp - Give him 5 minutes.


Mr DALY - If he were given 5 weeks he would go back on his word. Would the honourable member for Hotham (Mr Chipp) as a former Leader of the House put up with the things with which I put up this morning and still expect to be able to take the word of the honourable member for Mackellar for anything?


Mr Lynch - I rise on a point of order. The Leader of the House is being quite insulting and abusive. It is contrary to the forms of this House to suggest that the honourable member for Mackellar is going back on his word in the manner in which the Leader of the House has suggested it.


Mr DALY - I can assure the Deputy Leader of the Opposition that the honourable member for Mackellar told the Clerk that he has withdrawn the withdrawal. That is precisely what I told the Deputy Leader of the Opposition he would do when the Deputy Leader of the Opposition came to me to negotiate, in good faith, for which I excuse him, on behalf of the honourable member for Mackellar. You cannot negotiate for uncontrollable or unprincipled men.


Mr Wentworth - Mr Deputy Speaker, that is a complete calumny. It is utterly false. The Minister at the table is telling a stream of falsehoods and I demand that they be withdrawn. It is a complete string of intolerable falsehoods.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Scholes)Order!The honourable member will resume his seat. The Leader of the House will withdraw that last remark.


Mr DALY - Mr Deputy Speaker, I respect the Chair, unlike honourable members opposite and I withdraw the remark. I mentioned these facts so that the House may be fully informed' of the evasive tactics of the honourable member for Mackellar. He does not have any support for the motion he moved. Now, in the face of everybody, by withdrawing the withdrawal he has shown that he meant to double-cross the Government on this issue and unfortunately, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition also. We both have suffered from the honourable member's machinations. The Deputy Leader of the Opposition put the matter to me in good faith and with all honesty. The honourable member for Mackellar, for whom the matter was being put. had made his mind up early that he would make a donkey out of Daly and Lynch at the same time. That is precisely what he attempted to do this morning. Therefore I put the record straight. Whatever may be said in respect of the social services legislation is no fault of honourable members on this side of the House that the matter has been delayed. In fact, T had even arranged for the honourable member for Perth (Mr Berinson) and others to participate in the debate. But I felt that I could not allow the conduct of the honourable member for Mackellar to go unchallenged, particularly when the arrangements made were repudiated.


Mr Wentworth - I demand a withdrawal at this stage. This is intolerable. I demand an immediate withdrawal.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Mackellar will resume his seat.


Mr Wentworth - Mr Deputy Speaker, will you give me some protection under standing order 77.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member is getting as much protection as he is entitled to. He is getting far more tolerance from the Chair than I think he is entitled to expect.


Mr DALY - I shall not take up the time of the House further. I have put the record straight. 1 regret what has happened. If honourable members opposite want to avoid this kind of thing in the future I suggest that to put two motions on the notice paper for the same day makes it extremely difficult. But with all the goodwill in the world we hope that both motions on the business paper for today will be disposed of because we would like a vote on both general business matters. Both are important and deserve the consideration of the House. I regret that because of the conduct of the honourable member for Mackellar a very important motion will not be dealt with this morning, to the eternal discredit of the honourable member and those associated with him. The cloud still remains and of course the matter will have to be finalised in Government business in due course without undue delay.


Mr Wentworth - I wish to make a personal explanation, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Scholes)Doesthe honourable member claim to have been misrepresented?







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