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Friday, 25 September 1970


Mr UREN (Reid) - Mr Speaker,to put this in perspective-


Mr SPEAKER -Order! Why is the honourable member rising?


Mr UREN - On a point of order on what transpired yesterday.


Mr SPEAKER -The honourable member cannot take a point of order. He can make a personal explanation.


Mr UREN - I make a personal explanation.


Mr SPEAKER -Does the honourable member claim to have been misrepresented?


Mr UREN - I claim that 1 gave information yesterday to this House - it was ignored - on what transpired. I want to state it again now. The Government refused to accept my explanation. I said that that was the reason why the honourable member for Dawson was dismissed but honourable members on the Government side refused to accept my explanation and they went ahead and dismissed him. You will note, Mr Speaker, if you examine page 1589 of Hansard that the Leader of the Opposition (Mr Whitlam) made a statement. Following that statement the Minister for the Interior (Mr Nixon) made his statement. It will be seen clearly from looking at page 1589 of Hansard that the Leader of the Opposition said that there were no Vietcong flags at the May meeting, and he then gave the explanation that if there were any Vietcong flags they were brought up at Friday's meeting after he had spoken.


Mr SPEAKER -Order! I think the Chair has been fairly indulgent. The honourable member is not making a personal explanation on his own behalf, and therefore he is out of order.


Mr UREN - lt is a personal explanation.


Mr SPEAKER -Order! I ask the honourable member to resume his seat.


Mr UREN - With all due respect to you - I respect the Chair-


Mr SPEAKER -Order! I have asked the honourable member to resume his scat because he has gone beyond the bounds of a personal explanation. In fact, he has been explaining something on behalf of another honourable member.


Mr UREN - May I now come to what I said yesterday?


Mr SPEAKER - No. We had an appeal just a moment ago from honourable members, including members of the Party to which the honourable member for Reid belongs, about the conduct of the House. This is just another episode in the story of how frivolous or extraneous points of order are taken and personal explanations are made. The honourable member for Reid has gone well beyond the bounds of a personal explanation. In fact, the explanation that he is making has not touched on bini personally to this stage. Therefore I ask him to resume his seat.


Mr UREN - Mr Speaker-


Mr SPEAKER - J ask the honourable member for Reid to resume his seat.


Mr UREN - All I say is-


Mr SPEAKER -I ask the honourable member for Reid to resume his seat.


Mr Whitlam - I rise to order, Mr Speaker. The honourable member for Dawson has asked a question of you and before you could answer it the Prime Minister asked that further questions be placed on the notice paper. It is not possible to place on the notice paper questions directed lo Mr Speaker. What is the position, then, in this case?


Mr SPEAKER - In any case, under the Standing Orders I' would not be required to answer the question that was asked by the honourable member for Dawson, but 1 assure the House that I will have a look at the matter.


Mr Bryant - Mr Speaker, I raise a point of order with reference to the personal explanation of the Minister for the Interior. During the course of his remarks he went beyond a personal explanation. He made an attack on honourable members on this side of the House which they could not answer. Will you assert your authority to protect honourable members against attacks to which they have no possibility of replying under the Standing Orders?


Mr SPEAKER - I can assure the honourable member that I will, but to do so I must have the co-operation of all honourable members.

Mr UREN(Reid>- Mr Speaker, I wish to make a personal explanation.


Mr SPEAKER -Does the honourable member for Reid claim to have been misrepresented?


Mr UREN - Yes, by what the Minister for the Interior (Mr Nixon) said. On page 1594 of yesterday's Hansard T am reported as saying:

The Minister for the Interior used the words the honourable member for Lalor and others'.


Mr SPEAKER -Order! 1 would suggest to the honourable member that unless he is personally involved in this matter, and it can be shown in the personal explanation that he is personally involved, he will be out of order.


Mr UREN - Of course I am personally involved,


Mr SPEAKER -I suggest that the honourable member should make his personal explanation.


Mr UREN - I was saying that on page 1594 of yesterday's Hansard I am reported as saying:

The Minister for the Interior used the words the honourable member for Lalor and others'. This was after an explanation by the Leader of the Opposition on how he spoke on Friday and oil the appearance of certain flags. The Minister said that if he conferred with the honourable member for Lalor and others-

Then 1 was brought to a halt. The point 1 was making was that it was the Friday meeting; it was not the May meeting. I made it perfectly clear that it was long before the honourable member-


Mr SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member will resume his seat.







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