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Thursday, 22 July 1920


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) . - In regard to the last statement made by the honorable member for West Sydney (Mr. Ryan), amid the torrent of abuse he poured upon certain " profiteers who trade about our coast," I say that the money was paid because it had to he paid. It was a just obligation, and it will be for this House to say, very shortly, I hope, whether or not the money was paid properly.


Mr Ryan - To whom was the money paid?


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - The honorable member will learn all about that at the proper time.


Mr Ryan - But I desire the War Precautions Act terminated in order to prevent the Government from doing these things.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - The sooner the War Precautions Act terminates, the better.


Mr Brennan - But do not do it!


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - Nothing I say pleases honorable members opposite. If I say that the Act should be kept ir. force, they howl ; if I say that it should be terminated, they still howl. Well, they can howl away.


Mr Tudor - If the Minister will move that it be terminated I will second the motion.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - No doubt. This question of deportations has been raised rather late in the day. It is very singular that all this pother has been caused when the deportations have practically ceased. We did not hear the welkin ringing in denunciation of these proposals while all the previous deportations went on. It is only now, when a particular deportation is taking place.


Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - You know that is not true.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - It is the truth.


Mr Brennan - There is not an atom of truth in it.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - It cannot be denied.


Mr Fenton - We were making these same protests when you were away on your joy ride.


Mr Brennan - When the Minister was seeking Mr. Hughes.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - I believe I was more successful in finding the Prime Minister than the honorable member has been in finding certain other individuals whom he has been seeking. I sought, and I found. The honorable member sought, evidently, but did not find.; hence this particular howling in the House and its vicinity, and I wonder when the matter is to come to an end. Have you not made your protest? Did you not make it on the steps of Parliament House last night?


Mr Brennan - We did, and we will make it on the roof to-night.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - Will you? We shall see whether you will or not.


Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - No threats'!


Mr Brennan - In the Prime Minister's room to-night!


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - May I suggest that this new scheme of using the parliamentary steps for the furtherance of public propaganda - for inciting the people against this Parliament and Government - seems, somehow or other, to have synchronized with the advent of the honorable member for West Sydney (Mr. Ryan) to this House?


Mr Brennan - Extreme cases require extreme remedies.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - Extreme cases require extreme action. That exactly sums up the case for the War Precautions Act and its regulations, and that was so throughout the term of the war.


Mr Brennan - Is not the war over?


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - The reference to extreme cases, coming from the lips of the honorable member himself, wholly justifies the action of the Government in regard to all these deportations.

In regard to the American case quoted by the honorable member for West Sydney (Mr. Ryan), the name of the unfortunate man concerned was Jackson. I fancy that an individual bearing such a name would be likely to belong to the British race. He may have been an alien so far as the United States of America was concerned; but, anyhow, the case does not apply here. First, I would ask the honorable member for West Sydney to tell us what became of the thousands of Industrial Workers of the World men who were deported right out of America. It is a matter of common knowledge. There is no country' which has treated the Industrial Workers of the World with such severity as the United States of America. We, in Australia, have had to suffer because of that policy. These individuals were not permitted to remain in the United States of America. They say that a great many of them found their way to Queensland while the honorable member for West Sydney was Premier of that State.


Mr Ryan - Who are "they "?


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - I will undertake to say that a great many of these men found their way to the north of Queensland, and there was such a condition of affairs set up there as made North Queensland notorious. My point is--


Mr Ryan - I have been wondering what is your point.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - I am sure the honorable member does not like the point.


Mr Ryan - There is no point in your remarks.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - It would take a keener point than that which I am making to penetrate the honorable member's skull. There is no parallel in the case which he quoted from the United States. There, the party concerned was not an alien who belonged to a country which was at war with America. Those individuals who have been deported from Australia were aliens, and were not merely aliens. The honorable member, however, stops at the point that this man in America was an alien. Therefore, his parallel fails. These men in Australia were aliens belonging to a country which was at war with our own. No country on earth has visited the Industrial Workers of the World with such severity as the great United States; nor do I know of any country which has treated with so much toleration as the British Empire those who set themselves against every interest that we hold dear.


Mr Tudor - Do you think we should follow the American example ?


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - One of the honorable member's principal followers says we should; he has been citing an American example for us to follow.


Mr Ryan - The Minister is misrepresenting what I said.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - Am I?


Mr Ryan - Every other honorable member understood me, so that I feel quite justified in having said what I did. If, however, my remarks failed to penetrate the Minister's skull, that is his fault or misfortune.


Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - It penetrated my skull only too well; and, within my thinner skull - whatever the honorable member may understand within his thicker one - I understood him to say that this was an example that we ought to follow. I say, in reply, that the great United States of America has never treated men with half the toleration that the great Courts of the British Empire have shown.







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