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Wednesday, 21 July 1920

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Order ! I again remind the honorable member that he is distinctly out of order.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Before you temporarily took the Chair honorable members were permitted to refer to this phase of the subject without hindrance ; and- to a great many other things besides. .Mr. Speaker did not confine 'them to the narrow limits of the motion as you, sir, are endeavouring to do.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - I am prepared to take full responsibility for my own actions.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Members of the Government do not consider the matter sub judice. The honorable member for North Sydney (Sir Granville Ryrie), in his statements in Sydney - when he referred to Father Jerger as a traitor and a rebel - must have considered that the matter was not sub judice or he would not have uttered those remarks. Further strength for my point is provided by the fact that the papers in Australia have been discussing the same subject every morning without reservation.

Sir Granville Ryrie - All I can say is that I do not think .he ought to go alone. He ought to have some companions.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - As for that, it is not only the case of Father Jerger with which we are concerned. In answer to a statement which has appeared in a section of the press, wherein it asks why we on this side are interested so much in the case of Father

Jerger, I would point out that the Leader of our party stated to-day that we had been conducting a campaign for the past twelve months against the principle of deportation without fair trial of any citizen.

The sole question now is whether the honorable member for West Sydney (Mr. Ryan) was out of order in discussing the departmental inquiry before Sir Robert Garran.

Mr Brennan - It was not- an ordinary departmental inquiry, because in such investigations the party concerned has the right to be represented by counsel.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - Exactly ; aud neither was it a Court. It was the greatest travesty that could have been conceived. Only one conclusion can be drawn. I point out that Mr. Speaker made his lengthy statement when, perhaps, there were present not half-a-dozen members on his own 'side.

Mr Bell - What does the honorable; member mean by saying " on his own side"?

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - I will tell the honorable member that after the vote is taken. I was forced into making the remark, because if there had been any desire on the part of honorable members opposite to hear what Mr. Speaker had to say they would not have trooped out of the chamber when he stood up to speak. I regret that we are about to take a party vote on this -subject.

Mr Bell - I thought that that would be dragged in.

Sir Granville Ryrie - It is a funny thing that all the pro-Germans are cn one side.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - That statement is totally unworthy of the Honorary Minister.

Dr MALONEY (MELBOURNE, VICTORIA) - I must raise a point of order. While appreciating the bluff personality of the Honorary Minister, I feel sure that on reflection he will withdraw what was an offensive remark.

Sir Granville Ryrie - I withdraw.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) --I could answer the interjection by saying that those who believe in "British justice are all on one side of this House. I hope that when the vote is taken it will not indicate that those who stand for fair play, for British justice, are confined to honorable members on this side.

Mr Bell - That is not the question before the House.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - lt is not a question of pro-Germans or of any one else; but I hurl back in his teeth the Honorary Minister's offensive interjection. It is of no use for the Minister to have said what he did with a smile on his face. r Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER. - Order! The Honorary Minister - has withdrawn his remark, and it should not be referred to.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - A.nd so he should have withdrawn it; but some thing further is necessary. The idea of dragging a reference to pro-Germans into this debate, so long, after the war is over, is entirely reprehensible.

Mr Bell - Then why does the honorable .member do> so ?

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - I am discussing the right of every man in Australia to fair and open trial; and it is a right and not a privilege. I regret that we are about to cast a party vote. Every honorable member who stands for liberty, for the right of every citizen to fair and open trial, should be ranged on this side when the vote is taken. It is all very well for the Honorary Minister to seek to cover his unenviable position; and it is quite fitting, from his point of view, that he should drag in the racial aspect.

Mr Wise - What has that to do with Mr. Speaker's ruling?

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - It arises from an offensive interjection.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Order ! I have once reminded the honorable member that that expression, has been withdrawn, and, therefore, is not under discussion. Will the honorable member please desist?

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - There is a lot more that I wish to say, but, judging by the limitations which are being placed upon me, I would not be allowed to proceed far. I shall take another opportunity to reply to the Minister for the Navy (Sir Joseph Cook) when he referred to a certain vote taken in the course of discussion upon the War Precautions BUI. There was a Labour Government in power at the time, which gave its adherents every assurance that there would be no violation of the principle embodied in that measure.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Order ! The honorable member is going entirely outside the scope of the motion.

Mr PARKER MOLONEY (HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES) - In conclusion, I again emphasize that there can be only one fair way for honorable members to vote, and that is in support of this motion.

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