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Tuesday, 4 May 1920

Mr WEST -Yes, and in lollie shops.

Mr TUDOR - Exactly, and much money has been made in confectionery. I suppose Steadman's, in Sydney, or MacRobertson's, in Melbourne, are perhaps the largest manufacturers of confectionery in Australia. Is it not the boast of Mr. MacRobertson that he commenced business by making lollies in a little saucepan in his mother's kitchen?

The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr Atkinson - Order! The honorable member is departing from the question before the Chair.

Mr TUDOR - I am merely using that as an illustration, and showing the possibilities of establishing industries if men are only given the opportunity.

Sir JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) (Minister for the Navy) - That is not a parallel case.

Mr TUDOR - Why should not the men be given a chance?

Mr Groom -The business of MacRobertson's is not conducted on a cooperative basis.

Mr TUDOR - No, but it shows that success has been achieved from a small beginning: We desire to make a start in this direction by inserting a provision in the War Gratuity Bill to enable men to become interested in co-operative concerns. What did the honorable member for

Swan (Mr. Prowse) and the honorablemember for Adelaide (Mr. Blundell) propose? That certain persons who were entitled to the war gratuity should be paid in cash to enable them to start in business on their own account. I know it was their ownmoney that was to be used in financing an undertaking, but that is no reason why a similar provision should not be included in this measure. At Geelong a movement is on foot to open co-operative woollen mills, and I believe that there is as good a prospect of the men who are to engage in that industry being successful as many of those who are taking up land. What did we do when the War Service Homes Bill was before us? Provision was made whereby nurses could receive an advance from the Repatriation Department to start nursing establishments, and, speaking from memory, I think every member of the House supported the proposal. Apparently it is the intention of the Government that nurses and men who will go on the land are to be more favoured than men who have been engaged in industries. Why should we not give those who have been overseas to fight for us the opportunity of engaging in business on their own account?

Mr Stewart - Not one member of the Government has answered that.

Mr TUDOR - It is a question of principle.

Mr Richard Foster - The nursescome under the building scheme.

Mr TUDOR - Yes, under the War Service Homes Act, but they are allowed:, to co-operate. The definition of " dwellinghouse" in the 1919 Act reads - " Dwelling-house " includes a house, or a building used or to be used by a person who is included in paragraph (b) or(d) of -the definition of " Australian Soldier," as a hospital, sanatorium, or nursing home, and the appurtenances, necessary outbuildings, fences, and permanent provision for lighting, water supply, drainage, and sewerage of the house, or building, but does not include any land.

Some of the industries mentioned are comparatively easy to establish. I do not suppose there is one boot factory in Australia that owns 50 per cent, of the machinery employed, as a man who has a reasonable chance of making a success of boot manufacturing merely has to approach the manufacturers or suppliers of plant, who will install the necessary machinery. Most ofthe large boot manufacturing concerns in Australia commence in that way, and of the 12,000,000 pairs of boots produced annually in the Commonwealth I suppose quite 11,500,000 , pairs are manufactured in establishments that have machines from the Shoe Machinery Trust. If a man were anxious to start in the saw-milling business, and he approached the repatriation authorities, the first question he would be asked would be, "Were you in the business before ?" If he had not, been he would be an outcast, and would not have an opportunity of engaging in such a business on his own account.

Mr JAMES PAGE (MARANOA, QUEENSLAND) - If a man had been anavvy the authorities would say, " Here is a pick and shovel, continue your previous occupation."

Mr TUDOR - Yes, they would say, " These are your implements." I am reminded by the honorable member for East Sydney (Mr. West) that the most progressive co-operative concern in the world is that at Rochdale, in Lancashire, which commenced with twenty spinners.

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