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Thursday, 7 December 1905


Mr McCAY (Corinella) - A clause like this, which is the pivot clause of the Bill, so far as declaration of principle is concerned, should be voted on in a Committee as far as possible fully representative of the House. I ascertained only a few minutes ago that, through a misapprehension, an honorable member who is in favour of certain amendments that are to be proposed has been claimed as a pair for the Government.


Mr JOSEPH COOK (PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES) - It is a misapprehension which amounts to downright trickery.


The CHAIRMAN - I am afraid that we are violating a standing order recently passed, which provides that on the question of adjournment there shall be no discussion. I think the honorable member for Corinella will see (hat no good purpose will be served by continuing the discussion.


Mr McCAY - I had not finished even one sentence when you. sir. interposed.


The CHAIRMAN - It is not so much the speech of the honorable and learned member, as the feeling that has been aroused, to which exception may be taken.


Mr McCAY - Surely my speech did not arouse any feeling. All I said was that I had become aware of a misapprehension.


The CHAIRMAN - I am very loth to do so, but I take the responsibility of telling the honorable and learned member that his remarks are out of order.


Mr McCAY - Then I desire to make a personal explanation, which I believe will be in order. You have said, sir, that my remarks have aroused feeling, and I wish to point out that what I said could not possibly have had that effect. What I said was that I had become aware that, through a misapprehension, a certain member had been claimed as a pair for the Government, although that member is in favour of certain amendments that have been suggested. I negative the idea that there was anything more than a misapprehension, because I happen to know how the misapprehension arose. I think that the honorable member for Bourke will bear me out that it was a pure misapprehension.


The CHAIRMAN - The honorable member is going beyond the question.


Mr McCAY - I am endeavouring to point out that it is incorrect to say that my statement aroused feeling.


The CHAIRMAN - If the honorable and learned member will permit me, I shall withdraw that remark as having reference to anything he has said.


Mr McCAY - I was about to suggest that this clause should not be passed unless it was quite clear that the will of this Chamber was being expressed - that no proposal would be passed or rejected contrary to the desire, the actual desire, of the majority.


Mr Page - Is it not the business of honorable members to be here?


Mr McCAY - I do not think it is at this hour of the night. I did not arrive here until 5 o'clock this evening, and I shall not arrive any earlier on any day for the rest of the session.


The CHAIRMAN - I think the honorable member is going beyond clause 4, which has nothing to do with the time he intends to arrive at the House.


Mr McCAY - I desire to ask the Prime Minister, through you, whether he does not agree that it is reasonable that the real views of honorable members should be expressed either directly or indirectly in a division on a question of this kind ?







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