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Gillard rocked by leaks

Gillard rocked by leaks

Broadcast: 28/07/2010

Reporter: Heather Ewart

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been forced to defend her position on paid parental leave and the
aged pension increase following damaging claims that she argued in cabinet against the policies.

Transcript

KERRY O'BRIEN: On a day when the Government would otherwise have been basking in the political
sunshine of unexpectedly low inflation figures and interest rates staying down, the Prime Minister
Julia Gillard was forced to try to defuse damaging leaks that claimed she'd argued within the Rudd
Cabinet against paid parental leave and the aged pension increase.

Her response today was to present herself as a fiscal conservative who needed to ask the tough
questions about $50 billion worth of spending.

The report, aired on Channel Nine last night and reinforced by a similar leak in today's Sydney
Morning Herald, has intensified fears in the Gillard camp that there's more to come in what's now
considered to be a deliberate and systematic attempt to derail her campaign.

Kevin Rudd was making no comment today beyond a statement issued last night that he doesn't comment
on cabinet deliberations and remained committed to the Government's re-election.

Shortly, I'll be talking with Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan about his old friend, Kevin Rudd,
but first this report from political editor Heather Ewart.

HEATHER EWART, REPORTER: They tried to get on with the job of campaigning, but there was one issue
and one issue only overshadowing all else on the campaign trail today, and both leaders knew it:
that explosive leak aired by Channel Nine's Laurie Oakes last night that Julia Gillard had argued
in Cabinet against paid parental leave and a pension increase.

This morning, she had to act swiftly, calling a news conference in Adelaide trying to salvage her
reputation on key reforms Labor has trumpeted long and hard.

JULIA GILLARD, PRIME MINISTER: I wanted to call this press conference early today to address these
allegations directly. And I wanted to do that because I didn't want to shilly shally around; I
wanted to be frank with the Australian people about these allegations and my answer to them.

HEATHER EWART: Make no mistake - Julia Gillard is furious. So too are many of her ministers and
caucus supporters who view this as a deliberate and systematic attempt by pro-Rudd forces to
sabotage her campaign. This is not the first leak to Laurie Oakes that's been highly damaging to
Julia Gillard. The first came just before the election was called, alleging she'd reneged on a deal
to allow Kevin Rudd a chance to improve his poll ratings. There are growing fears at the most
senior levels of Government there will be more.

Julia Gillard needed to come out fighting at what would arguably be the most important news
conference of her prime ministership so far.

JULIA GILLARD: I want to give people this insight into my decision making. Between the pension rise
and paid parental leave, we are talking about expenditure of more than $50 billion over the next 10
years. $50 billion dollars - that's a lot of money. So when these proposals were made - that we
increase the pension, that we create the paid parental leave scheme - the question at the forefront
of my mind was, "Are they affordable?"

HEATHER EWART: There was no denying that she had her doubts as she then sought to portray herself
as fiscally responsible.

JULIA GILLARD: I understand that some might say if you don't sign on the bottom line, if you don't
sign on the dotted line, as soon as a proposal is put in front of your nose, that somehow you lack
passion or enthusiasm for it. Frankly, I believe that analysis is completely ridiculous and absurd.
You can be passionate about doing something and hard-headed in getting it done. So if people want a
prime minister that will have $50 billion of expenditure put before them and sign away without even
a question asked, well I'm not it.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: Well I just make this point: if she was as vigilant questioning
these costs, why wasn't she as vigilant questioning the cost of the pink batts program, or even
more so, as vigilant questioning the costs of the school hall program?

HEATHER EWART: It was the obvious response by Tony Abbott and one he'll hammer. The Opposition
can't believe its good fortune it's been served such ready ammunition in an election campaign.

TONY ABBOTT: Obviously, you've got to ask yourself, I suppose, about the fundamental political
convictions, and I suppose you've got to ask yourself about the unity of the team when you've got
this kind of information coming out.

JULIA GILLARD: I am not making judgements about the source of any of these leaks. The only person
in Australia who could tell you that is Laurie Oakes.

TONY ABBOTT: I just don't want to get into who might have done it; why it might have been done. I
just say it's obviously a deeply dysfunctional government and why would you re-elect a government
as dysfunctional as this.

JOURNALIST: How worried are you that it was Kevin Rudd that's been leaking against you?

JULIA GILLARD: Well I can only just repeat what I've said to you then: you're making an assumption;
I'm not prepared to join you in that assumption.

HEATHER EWART: But plenty of assumptions are being made within Labor ranks, and most of the
finger-pointing goes directly to Kevin Rudd and his backers. The former leader is making no further
comment beyond a statement last night that he had not made, nor would he make comment, on cabinet
deliberations. He said he remained committed to the re-election of the Government.

JOURNALIST II: Kevin Rudd - will he still be given a senior role in your cabinet after the next
election if you do win, or will he have to look for another job?

JULIA GILLARD: Of course, Kevin Rudd will be offered a senior position in my cabinet.

HEATHER EWART: It's a response she has to stick to, but the chances of it becoming a reality if she
wins the election looks slimmer by the minute, with one senior minister claiming privately, that at
the very least, Kevin Rudd can kiss his hopes of becoming foreign minister good-bye forever.

As for Julia Gillard, it's the claim that she opposed paid paternity leave that appears to have
stunned most and one she's keen to address.

JULIA GILLARD: It amazes me that people would suggest, given who I am and what I've done with my
life and the things that I have done across the course of my life to see equality between
Australian women and men, that I wouldn't support a scheme that women in this country and men in
this country have argued for for decades and decades.

HEATHER EWART: But there are voters who will now have doubts. Julia Gillard will have to stress her
support for the scheme throughout this campaign, which she attempted to get back on track today by
announcing stormwater projects to boost town and city water supplies. The Government was also
buoyed by lower CPI figures, which means there is unlikely to be an interest rate rise in the
campaign.

The Opposition, meanwhile, unveiled plans to woo business by cutting the Company Tax rate.

TONY ABBOTT: From the 1st of July, 2013, forever, as far as the Coalition is concerned, there will
be a reduction in the Company Tax rate to 28.5 per cent.

HEATHER EWART: The campaign soon hits the two-week mark and there will be plenty more announcements
from both sides with Labor hoping the ghost of Kevin Rudd somehow disappears.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Certainly feeling like two long weeks so far. Political editor Heather Ewart.

Swan in damage control over leaks

Swan in damage control over leaks

Broadcast: 28/07/2010

Reporter: Kerry O'Brien

Treasurer Wayne Swan speaks with Kerry O'Brien after a day that saw the Gillard Government in
damage control over reports that she was not in support of popular welfare reforms.

Transcript

KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer, Wayne Swan, has been a close friend
and then-Cabinet colleague of Kevin Rudd's. I spoke with him earlier tonight in our Sydney studio.

Wayne Swan, how big a problem has Kevin Rudd become for the Government in the campaign?

WAYNE SWAN, TREASURER: I'm not surprised there's some focus on Kevin during the campaign.
Leadership changes are always difficult for political parties. And of course, we have seen in the
Liberal Party two leadership changes. I'm also not surprised there is focus on Kevin's local
campaign. He can't do much about the focus on his campaign. There is interest in that and there
will be interest in Kevin as we go forward. The most important thing we can do is get on with the
campaign.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Yes, but there's this other slight problem that you haven't referred to, and that's
the leaks.

WAYNE SWAN: Well Kerry, you've been around in politics a long time and I've been round awhile too,
and I generally have given up speculating about the source of leaks.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Except in this instance. This is a unique situation, as far as I can think, where a
leader, a Prime Minister, has been deposed within the shadow of an election. You're still there as
part of the Government, aspiring to be a member of the Cabinet if you win the election, and there
are these damaging leaks coming, it would seem, from both sides within the Government.

WAYNE SWAN: Well Kerry, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. I believe Kevin is well
motivated. I also believe he's an important part of our team as we go forward. We've got a very
good story to tell the Australian people under Prime Minister Gillard and I believe we will succeed
in telling that story.

But in any campaign, Kerry, there's always going to be a focus in areas like this. It's only
natural. I don't think there's anything that anybody can do about that focus, other than getting on
with telling our very good story to the Australian people.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But before you can get on, the leaks have to stop. With each leak that comes, the
damage grows.

WAYNE SWAN: Well Kerry, we can't control leaks, and I certainly can't predict where they are coming
from. But I've learnt one thing in politics: I don't always follow the obvious explanation and/or
the conspiracy theory.

KERRY O'BRIEN: How recently have you spoken to Kevin Rudd?

WAYNE SWAN: Look, I'm not going into any of the discussions I have had with Kevin Rudd.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Now I'm not asking you to tell me what you've said to each other, I'm saying, how
recently you have spoken to him?

WAYNE SWAN: Well I'm not going into discussions that I've had with Kevin Rudd. And I don't think
that I ought to.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But does that include hiding from the Australian electorate whether you have spoken
to him or not?

WAYNE SWAN: No ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: What is there that's ...

WAYNE SWAN: I'm not hiding from anybody. I'm out there ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well when was the last time you spoke to him?

WAYNE SWAN: I'm out there campaigning, but I'm not going to go into the detail of discussions that
I've had with Kevin Rudd, or for that matter, others, when it comes to the questions of leadership.
I'm just not going to do that, and I don't think that that works either. Because all it does is
feed the sort of stories that you're talking about, which you say are causing difficulties for our
campaign, so I don't intend to do that. And there's no way in the world, and you can ask all the
questions you like, but I'm going to do that tonight.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, I'm going to ask a question that you're not actually addressing. I'm not
asking you to tell me what you and Kevin Rudd have or are saying to each other.

WAYNE SWAN: Sure.

KERRY O'BRIEN: I'm simply asking you to tell me when you actually last spoke to him. Now is there a
potential embarrassment?

WAYNE SWAN: No, there's no potential embarrassment.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Then when did you last speak to him?

WAYNE SWAN: But there's no potential story in it either. So I'm not going into the nature of the
discussions I've had with him, or the timing of the discussions that I've had with him. Kevin Rudd
is a candidate in this campaign. He's out there campaigning. I'm a senior minister, Deputy Prime
Minister in this campaign, I'm out there doing that as well, and that's what the public expect me
to do and that's precisely what I intend to continue doing.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Kevin Rudd is not just a candidate for Labor in this campaign; Kevin Rudd is
aspiring to be a senior minister in the Gillard Government. Julia Gillard has made plain on more
than one occasion that there is a senior ministry for him. I would suggest to you that it is
absolutely relevant to people making their judgments about this government, in whether they vote
for or against it, as to how coherent you would be in government, and in doing that I'm asking you
whether you have had any contact with Kevin Rudd. You see, you've been a friend of Kevin Rudd's for
a long time

WAYNE SWAN: That's right.

KERRY O'BRIEN: And when you were asked, I think, a few days after the leadership changed, whether
you had seen Kevin Rudd, you said, "No, I haven't, but I intend to catch up." Why is it a sensitive
issue for you to say whether you've even seen him?

WAYNE SWAN: Because it simply feeds the sort of stories you're talking about. I have been
campaigning right around Australia. In the last four or five days, I've been around northern
Queensland, I've been to Darwin, I've been to Perth and now I'm back here. I will run into Kevin
Rudd in the course of the campaign and I will be talking to Kevin Rudd in the course of the
campaign. But the one thing I ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: That suggests that you haven't.

WAYNE SWAN: No, it doesn't suggest that at all. But the one thing I'm not going to do is to go on
your program and talk about dates, times and contents of conversations, end of story.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, Julia Gillard said this morning that she hadn't spoken to Kevin Rudd. She
didn't seem to find a problem in that. But why wouldn't she lift the phone to Kevin Rudd herself
when this is an issue that has the potential to damage (inaudible)?

WAYNE SWAN: Well Kerry, according to you, it's an issue that has the potential to damage the
campaign or the Government.

KERRY O'BRIEN: You have been around politics a very long time, Mr Swan. You don't think this has
any capacity to affect people's judgments?

WAYNE SWAN: Kerry, it may. But there's nothing we can do about the speculation. What we can do is
to get out there and campaign and to tell our very good story, particularly about our economic
stewardship of this economy, and our plans for the future. That's what Julia Gillard has been doing
and that's what I've been doing throughout the campaign.

KERRY O'BRIEN: I'm told there now serious misgivings within the Government about the wisdom of
having Kevin Rudd in the Cabinet. Do you share those misgivings?

WAYNE SWAN: No, I don't share those misgivings. I most certainly don't. Julia Gillard has made the
position absolutely clear. There will be a position for him as a senior minister if the government
is re elected, and I say if, because we are in a contestable election. We don't take that lightly.
And we are out there arguing the case for the return of the Government.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Few people know Kevin Rudd better than you in politics. Is he - do you believe, that
he is an honourable person in this affair?

WAYNE SWAN: I do believe that he is an honourable person. I do believe that he is doing everything
that he possibly can to see the return of the Government, including campaigning in his electorate.
He is a very good local campaigner. He simply cannot move around his electorate without attracting
attention for some of the reasons you mentioned before. But also, I have a role in the campaign. I
have a senior role in the campaign and I am moving around the country and I am talking to
candidates every day. Candidates in marginal seats that deserve the attention of senior ministers,
that's what I'm doing as I move through Mackay, Cairns, Townsville, Perth, Canberra and further
afield.

KERRY O'BRIEN: That sounds a little bit like 'I've Been Everywhere, Man'.

WAYNE SWAN: Well I certainly have, and I will again. But the point, Kerry, here, is that is what
the Government is doing to earn its re-election.

KERRY O'BRIEN: And you have these diversions. Now ...

WAYNE SWAN: Sure, and Kerry, there's nothing we can do about that.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, what about the leak that was clearly designed to discredit Kevin Rudd over his
attention to national security issues in Cabinet, that came from somewhere else inside the
Government? You'd forgive him for being angered by that leak wouldn't you?

WAYNE SWAN: Well of course I would be if I was him. There are leaks all the time. But as I said to
you earlier, we have been around a long time, and it's not the usual suspects that usually turn out
to be the source of the leaks, as you well know.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But in this case ...

WAYNE SWAN: I don't follow the conspiracy theories.

KERRY O'BRIEN: But in this case, there is a pattern of the leaks.

WAYNE SWAN: I don't believe that. Kerry, I think that's absurd.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Let me put it to you. There was the leak designed to embarrass Julia Gillard over
the leadership deal she had allegedly made with Kevin Rudd and then reneged on, then there was the
leak against Kevin Rudd, then the latest leak against Julia Gillard. Now what does that sound like
to you other than tit for tat within the Labor Party.

WAYNE SWAN: Well it sounds like a very complex crossword, Kerry, and I don't draw ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: Very simple to me ...

WAYNE SWAN: I don't draw - no, I don't think it's very simply at all.

KERRY O'BRIEN: From there to there, from there to there, from there to there.

WAYNE SWAN: As I said to you, I don't engage in the conspiracy theorists' practice here. Usually
these things are far more complex than they appear.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Another former Labor leader, Mark Latham, in his diaries described Kevin Rudd as a
serial leaker.

WAYNE SWAN: Oh, come on.

KERRY O'BRIEN: What was your experience?

WAYNE SWAN: Well I'm not going to buy into that. You can go and interview former Labor leaders;
critics of all of us if you'd like. What I want to do is talk about the issues; the important
issues that your viewers want to know about in this campaign.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Julia Gillard's justification for taking the prime ministership was that the
Government had lost its way. That seemed to be a code for Kevin Rudd had lost his way. And one of
the issues on which the way was lost was the mining tax and how it was hatched and presented. Now
you, with Ken Henry, were the architect for the original mining tax, but where Kevin Rudd was
dumped, you were actually promoted to Deputy Prime Minister. When you put your hand up for that
job, did you look the party room in the eye and say, "I admit I was a part of the problem?"

WAYNE SWAN: Well, depends what you describe the problem as being. I was certainly a part of the
decision-making process along with Kevin. I've always put my hand up for that, and I've always been
out there arguing the case for this tax. And now that we've got it through, now that we've got a
revised version through, this is very important for economic reform in the Australian economy. But
if you're saying if there were problems with the tax and the way in which consultation took place
and so on, if you say that, I say: I played my part, just like other senior ministers do. I
accepted my part and responsibilities for those decisions, and I'm taking them forward.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Yes, except only one of you paid the price.

WAYNE SWAN: Well, that characterisation assumes that that was the only issue in the leadership
change. And it wasn't. But I don't intend to rake over all of those issues. We can waste some more
time if you'd like, Kerry.

KERRY O'BRIEN: My last question on this: do you acknowledge there is still a strong unease - a
strong sense of unease, from many quarters, many voters, about the way Kevin Rudd was removed? Is
it inevitably going to cost you votes in your own Brisbane electorate and other Queensland seats?

WAYNE SWAN: Well no, I absolutely believe that people will make a very clear choice between Julia
Gillard and Tony Abbott. I think that's what they're focussing on. But of course there is media
commentary about all of these issues, but they do not go to the very core of what this election is
about, and I believe the Australian people see it as a contest between Julia Gillard on the one
hand, and Tony Abbott on the other.

KERRY O'BRIEN: On today's inflation figures, Mr Swan, these are probably the best economic figures
you will get all campaign, but they've been swamped by the Prime Minister's attempt at damage
control over these leaks this morning. That must make you angry.

WAYNE SWAN: Well look, they are very encouraging figures. Inflation is moderating, particularly
underlying inflation. It's consistent with the Reserve Bank and Treasury forecasts. That's a good
thing, but there are still price pressures in our economy. Many people out there are feeling the
effects of those price pressures, and we will continue to do everything we possibly can to, on the
one hand, assist people with the cost of living, and on the other, put in place the very important
reforms in our economy to expand capacity to put downward pressure on inflation.

KERRY O'BRIEN: There is a downside to the figures is there not, that significant parts of the
Australian economy are worryingly flat. The major shareholder of Coles said the other day that
their products had been deflated for the past six months. Why are consumers reluctant to spend, and
does it bother you?

WAYNE SWAN: Well, can I just recap on where we are in the economy, because inflation is moderating,
but we have had very, very strong job creation. 350,000 jobs in the past year, and an unemployment
rate of 5.1 per cent. We have avoided recession and are bringing our budget back to surplus in
three years. Now I think, particularly the speculation associated with problems in Europe in terms
of sovereign debt and European financial markets, has had an impact on financial markets around the
world and I think impacted upon confidence. I think the other thing ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: Plus six interest rate cuts.

WAYNE SWAN: Yes, rises.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Rises. Rises, yes, indeed.

WAYNE SWAN: And they are only back to normal. But it's very important we do everything we possibly
can to keep pressure off inflation. But let's look at where rates are now. The official rate is 4.5
per cent. Under the Liberals, the official rate was 6.75 per cent. Now we've got to do everything
we possibly can to take pressure off inflation. I can tell you one thing that will put a lot of
pressure on inflation, and that's Tony Abbott's Coles and Woolies tax: 1.7 per cent addition to
company tax. That'll put a lot of pressure on business costs and upward pressure on inflation and
upward pressure on rates over time.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well you've sought to damage Tony Abbott over his tax on big companies to pay for
his paid parental leave scheme, but he's trumped you today, hasn't he, by promising to cut company
tax by 1.5 per cent.

WAYNE SWAN: Not at all, Kerry. Today he's gone out and claimed that he's reducing company tax when
we know at the same time that he's increasing company tax. That's like winning the toss and saying
that you're going to go out and bat and bowl at the same time.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, he's reducing company tax for all ...

WAYNE SWAN: No, it's policy chaos, Kerry ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: And increasing company tax for some.

WAYNE SWAN: No, it is policy chaos ...

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, increasing tax for some.

WAYNE SWAN: It is policy chaos. He claimed he was having a company tax cut of 1.5 per cent, when
he's got a company tax increase for a very large number of companies of 1.7 per cent, Kerry. This
is simply policy chaos, and he couldn't detail to the Australian people how the two mixed, what the
net outcome was. It was simply outrageous.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Well, let me put this to you. You are paying for your company tax by imposing a tax
on some companies, that is, mining companies.

WAYNE SWAN: And we're honest enough to outline the funding source - to go about it publicly and say
that the resources that the Australian people own 100 per cent have been undervalued, they have not
been getting a fair return, and we said with the revenue stream from that, we will put in place
fundamental economic reform, particularly tax cuts for small business, tax cuts for business across
the board, investment in infrastructure and investment in superannuation. That's a coherent
program; that's a plan.

KERRY O'BRIEN: His is coherent too.

WAYNE SWAN: No, it is not.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Let me just put this to you. You are imposing a tax on miners to pay for some
programs, including ...

WAYNE SWAN: That is non-inflationary.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Hang on. Including a company tax cut. He is imposing a tax on some companies to pay
for his program, which is paid parental leave, and he is separately going to cut company tax.

WAYNE SWAN: Yeah but Kerry, today he went out and pretended that he had a company tax cut that
wasn't being eaten up for a lot of companies by a company tax increase. He wouldn't even admit that
during the press conference. That is policy chaos. And that just shows that they can't get their
numbers to add up. He can't tell you when he is bringing the budget back to surplus. We're bringing
it back to surplus in three years, three years early. All of our policies are fully funded and
fully costed. They have not submitted their policies yet through the Charter of Budget Honesty.
Time is up for them. Because of this fudge today - this fudge today will put a real focus on what
they're really doing. I think they are out of control, and what he did do today was demonstrate
what a risk he is to the Australian economy.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Wayne Swan, thanks for talking with us.

WAYNE SWAN: Good to be with you.

Will Rudd factor swing crucial Qld seats?

Will Rudd factor swing crucial Qld seats?

Broadcast: 28/07/2010

Reporter: Peter McCutcheon

In Queensland, the Coalition is hoping anger over Labor's dumping of Kevin Rudd as prime minister
will help them at the polls next month. Kevin Rudd currently holds the Brisbane seat of Griffith,
but the polls are suggesting Labor's vote in Queensland is softer than elsewhere in the country.
Labor will be hoping to highlight controversy over some of the Coalition candidates to help their
campaign.

Transcript

KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Wayne Swan and Kevin Rudd's home state of Queensland will be critical to
the outcome of this election. Even a small swing against Labor there could see the Coalition
winning back up to half a dozen seats. And by all accounts, Labor's vote in the sunshine state is
softer than elsewhere. The Coalition is hoping that some of state Labor's anger over the dumping of
the former Prime Minister will be expressed at the ballot box. But in some marginal seats, Labor is
also nursing the hope that they can exploit controversy over Coalition candidates. From Brisbane,
Peter McCutcheon reports.

PETER MCCUTCHEON, REPORTER: From the benches of parliament to the side of the road. With his
northern Brisbane seat of Dickson likely to be decided by the narrowest of margins, Liberal MP
Peter Dutton is taking nothing for granted.

PETER DUTTON, LIBERAL MEMBER FOR DICKSON: I am confident we can retain this seat but it will be a
tough fight.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: The Opposition's health spokesman believes his job has been made easy by Labor's
dumping of its former leader and fellow Queenslander, Kevin Rudd.

PETER DUTTON: I think in seats like mine, it's going to be a factor.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Peter Dutton's Labor opponent, former teacher Fiona McNamara, says any concern
about the local lad's downfall has been overshadowed by Julia Gillard's strong performance.

FIONA MCNAMARA, LABOR CANDIDATE FOR DICKSON: People are warming to her absolutely.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But she's not from Queensland, is she.

FIONA MCNAMARA: No, but I think people like straight shooters. I'm down here at the club. People
here tell me exactly what they think.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Dickson is one of a series of marginal seats wedged between northern Brisbane and
the rapidly growing Sunshine Coast. Although held by the Liberals, a re-distribution has made it
notionally Labor.

Seats such as Dickson, Longman and Petrie are classic swinging voter country, with the relatively
high proportion of first homebuyers and the service problems of outer suburbia.

JON SULLIVAN, LABOR MEMBER FOR LONGMAN: I think people here are really concerned about their cost
of living, their quality of life.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Jon Sullivan won the seat of Longman for Labor in the Kevin 07 campaign.

JON SULLIVAN: We're working really hard to get a GP super clinic into Caboolture.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: And he continued to back Kevin Rudd right up to the very end.

JON SULLIVAN: A lot of people have spoken to me about it; a lot of people have indicated that they
were happy to see that I supported Kevin on that day. So that's...

PETER MCCUTCHEON: And you did.

JON SULLIVAN: I did. So that's worked well in that context for me, but I think that people have
moved on.

WYATT ROY, LIBERAL CANDIDATE FOR LONGMAN: There has been a lot of resistance to the way Kevin Rudd
was deposed, the way that faceless men now control the Labor Party, and Queenslanders, I think,
have a finely tuned political antenna for this.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: The Liberal National Party candidate Wyatt Roy has enjoyed considerable publicity
since his pre-selection earlier this year because of his age. He's only just turned 20 and is
voting in his first Federal Election

VOX POP: If you lived here mate, you could have our vote.

WYATT ROY: Thanks, I appreciate that.

VOX POP II: It's good to see someone - I'm worried my son's going to get off his bum and vote.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Do people raise with you your life experience?

WYATT ROY: I think, you know, sometimes some people do have a natural hesitation, but what they are
happy is that I'm on their front door. I mean, you've been walking around with me today, and you've
seen that they want to see someone that's out there doing something. They want to see a parliament
that is diverse and representative of the Australian people.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Your opponent here has got a fair amount of publicity since he has been
preselected. Does that help you or does it hinder you?

JON SULLIVAN: Well, I don't comment about my opponent at all, in terms of - but I think it doesn't
hurt that he is getting publicity. It does focus people's minds on the fact that there is a choice
here.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: For a lot of people, he'd have a higher profile than you have.

JON SULLIVAN: Yes. So does Genghis Khan.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: In neighbouring Dickson, the Liberals' Peter Dutton raised his profile last year
when he unsuccessfully sought pre-selection for another seat - a fact Labor is keen to point out.

FIONA MCNAMARA: I was over at Albany Creek State School's fete today, and people were raising that
with me. They feel very disappointed with him that he chose, or attempted to choose, to leave them
for a safer seat for his own political career.

PETER DUTTON: You make mistakes, I'm human like anyone else, I cop that on the chin. But I ask
people to look at what has been a record of I think a good nine years of service to my local
community.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: On the south side of the Brisbane River, the former Prime Minister is campaigning
in his safe Labor seat of Griffith.

He may no longer be part of the main political game, but both sides of politics are on the lookout
for any sign of local anger about his downfall. That's because Labor holds 10 seats in Queensland
on a margin of less than 5 per cent, so everything from the appeal of the local candidates to the
treatment of Kevin Rudd is being closely scrutinised.

GRAHAM YOUNG, ON LINE OPINION: There is resentment, but I don't think it's because he's the home
town boy, because it seems to be pretty similar around the country.

Graham Young is a former Queensland Liberal Party president who runs an online research business.
He's been analysing what motivates people's voting intentions and believes the Rudd factor in
Queensland may be overstated.

GRAHAM YOUNG: His influence at the moment, I think, is limited to providing a lot of dirty air to
the ALP campaign by being a constant magnet of press attention.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But out on the hustings, the candidates are taking nothing for granted.

PETER DUTTON: People will make an overall decision about what they want to do, but there is a real
anger about the way in which Kevin Rudd was treated.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Do you think it could be a vote changer, even if it's for a small minority of
people?

FIONA MCNAMARA: Well I'm hoping it's a vote changer to me. I certainly think it will be close and I
will be working hard to get every single vote.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Peter McCutcheon reporting from the electoral hot spot of Queensland.

That's the program for tonight. We'll be back at the same time tomorrow. But for now, goodnight.