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tonight: Nathan in a struggle tonight to keep his job as New South Wales Premier. Labor caucus meeting this evening with the right faction trying Rees. And the Prime Minister right faction trying to oust Mr

has returned to Australia to Leader. While the wounds within show as Julie Bishop's loyalty is under question. And that's ABC News. Stay the 7.30 Report coming up ABC News. Stay with us now for

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Welcome to the program, and

shortly we'll bring you

breaking news from an

extraordinary political

showdown in the NSW showdown in the NSW Parliament.

But first, for 18 months Johns

r the founder of r the founder of controversial

Australian company Firepower

alluded creditors, liquidators

and shareholders by travelling

overseas, despite his best efforts to seek efforts to seek delays, Tim

Johnston has been issued with a

warrant for his arrest by warrant for his arrest by a

Federal Court Judge, who would

not accept his excuses for

missing a hearing in Perth last

week, it's unclear while the

controversial businessman unexpectedly returned to

Australia after months on the

run, he was forced to surrender

his passport and served with a

summons to face the wrath of Firepower liquidator and 1200 summons to face the wrath of

many investors, many of whose

lives have been ruined. Greg

Hoy reports. He called it

Firepower. Bill the as a magic

pill or potion, which when

popped or poured into a fuel

tank increased fuel efficiency,

slashing carbon emissions. slashing carbon emissions. The

Firepower company's fast

talking founder Tim Johnston -

dazzled the galaxy of prominent

Australians, from sporting and

movie stars, to the then

Governor-General. From Governor-General. From then

Prime Minister John Howard, to

the Australian Trade

Commission, Austrade which

helped trumpet the past helped trumpet the

potential of Firepower secret formula.

formula. It sort of gains its

own critical mass, that this

man, Tim Johnston is standing

in amongst all these credible

people. Must be credible.

Because everybody else around

him it credible. With such

friends in high places, plus

endorsement and around 400,000

in funding from Austrade Tim

Johnston easily enticed 1200

Australian investors to sink

around $100 million into to

scheme. Indeed, the money

sanction without trace. It's a

lot of money for a family with

one income, and when we put a

lot of trust in individuals, to

look after our future through a

financial advisor, who was licensed. We thought we were licensed. We thought we were

doing the right thing.

Firepower investor Alana Kay

lost $230,000 plus her

marriage. The money was a big

issue. That caused a lot of

friction, family wise, it's a

stressful time. For me

personally, lack of trust in

individuals. I've lost a lot of self-esteem. The wreckage self-esteem. The wreckage was

widespread. Litigation funder

IMF will launch proceedings for

500 distressed investors. The

mums and dads investors

non-sophisticated, if you like,

often they have made the

Cardinal error of Cardinal error of investing,

they have put all their eggs in one basket as it

those were. Meantime, as he splurged

those hard earned savings on

sport sponsorships, Firepower's

founder lived it up in style

with his wife and two daughters

in glamorous locations. And

when he wasn't reclining in his

mansions on the Gold Coast or

Perth, Tim Johnston walked his

wonder pills and potions around

the world. First class all the the world. First class all the

way, you know, beautiful homes,

really was a lavish lifestyle,

and from what I can gather now,

it hasn't stopped. There

it hasn't stopped. There was,

of course, one minor problem.

Soon exposed in lab Soon exposed in lab tests,

Monash University tested the

liquid version of Firepower's

fuel additive. We found it

performed like all other

additives we tested, that is

that it didn't perform. We

tested for fuel saving, and

found no savings in fuel at all

from the use of the this

additive. These pricey pills,

like the liquid version were

hocus-pocus, yet this package

clearly reads, "Increases

octane, reduces emissions or

your money back", not this they

got their money back of course,

let's face it, let's face it, Australia from

the top down fell hook, line,

sinking $100 million into what

to some was the old snaik oil

trick. Who should share the

blame besides the villain

himself, how were so many highly intelligent people

duped, you don't need to be a

maj irn to see the slight of maj irn to see the slight

Hand. - magician to see

Hand. - magician to see the

sleight of hand. It's based on

odd people in odd places doing

the tests, what you see

typically are aclaims, I have

seen claims of reducing fuel

consumption by a factor of two,

it's physically impossible.

Research papers from vague

return institutes, the subtle

and Firepower's tan of Oman, the Philippines

and Firepower's corporate

structure was much the same.

Liquidator Bryan Hughes has

been given the unenviable task

of untangling the wreckage to

determine where so much money

has gone. We had companies in

the British Virgin Islands, in

Singapore, Malaysia, a little

tax haven off the coast of

Malaysia called Layion. Malaysia called Layion. Funds

flowed through the companies in

a manner that I am going to be

seeking explanation of. In the

18 months or so since Firepower

recoiled in its death recoiled in its death throws,

Tim Johnston lived comfortably

overseas, allude ing Australian

authorities, when he tried to

quietly slip back into the

country his passport was

quickly seized. And he's been quickly seized. And he's been

summoned to appear in court.

Though like Houdini, Mr

Firepower is trying to wriggle

out of this tight spot It's a

war of attrition. He will wear

people down, he will suck

resources wherever possible,

and he will drag out the

process as much as he possibly

can. That would be my

expectation. Now to a bigger

more sensitive question, given more sensitive question, given

the Government agency

Austrade's enthusiasm for

Firepower, luring so many into

a false sense of security,

should the Government share

some blame and hence some

liability? There have been

allegations made to me that,

you know, Firepower was partly

legitimised by Australian

legitimised by Australian

Government bodies. You know

Austrade was holding fire power

out as being a leading light

internationally. We saw the

backing of the Government

through Austrade, and thinking

- seeing that the Government

was involved. Just added

credibility to the company, and

gave us confidence to move

forward in that direction, and

the financial advisor obviously

had a lot of input there. Telling Telling us how good the company

was, and talking it up so to

speak. The sad table of

Firepower is far from finished,

and hopes are not riding and hopes are not riding high.

There is a great fear that the

hurting won't heel, that proper

justice cannot be served. It

does appear that Mr Tim Johnston will be bankrupted

before long, as is often the

case in these matters, the

person's - persons directly

responsible for the wrongdoing

dissipate the money, and there

is no point in spending further

money chasing them. The

alternative is to look to those

persons who surrounded that group.

group. We would love to see the

shareholders and creditors of

these companies get some return

but I have to be very

pessimistic about that at this

point in time. The authorities

from my perspective, pretty much are like

much are like a toothless tiger

, if we could change things, I

would like them to pursue Tim

Johnston to the end of the earth. I don't believe I will

get anything back. At this

stage I'm hopeful that Tim will

face the courts, and hopefully

will identify or realise what

impact he has had on people.

And that the public are aware

of him and don't go anywhere near him.

near him. Business editor Greg

Hoy, now to the NSW Parliament

with where the seriously

dysfunctional Labor Government

seemed to be intent on

demonstrating that it's not the

Liberals who can stack on a

venomous leadership contest.

The State Government has chosen

its third leader since the last

election after many months of

leaks and leaks and rumours sabotaging

Premier II Nathan Rees, with as

many as five alternative

leaders canvasled. Nathan Rees

went after his enemies with a

denunciation of some of his

colleagues, a few minutes ago,

in the partyroom he lost his

job to American born Planning

'Stateline' host Quentin Minister Kristina Keneally. NSW

Dempster followed the latest

and joins me from Parliament and joins me from Parliament

House. Kristina Keneally has

been elected, can you fill us

in on the late details. 47-21

was the vote of Kristina

Keneally, she'll be the next

Premier of NSW, the first woman

Premier of NSW. And as you said, it followed an

extraordinary day. The clip you

are about to show shows are about to show shows that

Nathan Rees outgoing Premier

was prepared to poison the

chalice as it were by saying

she would be a puppet of the

powerbrokers Joe Tripodi powerbrokers Joe Tripodi and

Eddie Obeid. Can you recall an

outburst - wasn't an outburst

so much as a cold clinical

statement by Nathan Rees,

statement by Nathan Rees, but

had been nonetheless full of

venom, and denunciation, can

you recall a time when a

premier in any circumstances

has rounded on has rounded on his colleagues

like that. It's sort of a

Turnbull, he had to set the

scene for his departure, and he

ends up being a martyr to

probity. He hasn't spilt out in

that extraordinary statement

what he has on Joe Tripodi, what he has on Joe Tripodi, and

Eddie Obeid, except that they

are powerbrokers, and he

got dropped Joe Tripodi after he

got that extraordinary ALP

State conference support to

change the rules so he could

choose his own ministry, now

they determined the caucus may

not be able to choose the

ministry, but can choose the

leader. What kind of situation does Kristina Keneally step

into, as Premier, where there's

probably not a person in NSW

who doesn't believe that

Labor's going to Labor's going to be descimated

at the next election, a at the next election, a little

over 12 months from now. This

is the irrationality that has

developed into it as far as

public perception is public perception is concerned.

Nathan Rees demonstrated that

it developed a Coalition of

enemies over the past 15 months

of his Premiership and they

have got back at him. In the typical hate reds and typical hate reds and personal

grudges which exist in the

culture of the NSW Labour

be possible for Kristina Party. In this climate, will it

Keneally, as Premier, and I

think as NSW's first female

Premier, to mould a united

team. It would seem an

impossibilitiy in all the

circumstances. I suppose the

most important point to say is the reassertion

the reassertion of authority of

the dominant right faction

within the Labor Party. After within the Labor Party.

Morris Iemma split the party

over electricity privatisation,

a split between the

parliamentary wing and the

organisational wing. The Labor

right caucus gave the

leadership to Nathan Rees, and Carmel Tebbutt.

Carmel Tebbutt. Like Kevin Rudd

and Julia Gillard, let's run

with Nathan Rees, and Carmel,

it might work, it didn't work,

they didn't get a bounce, there

were resentful White anters,

particularly Frank Sartor, particularly Frank Sartor, who

Nathan Rees dumped, and they

had backgrounding of

journalists for the last 15 months that months that had months that had undermined

Nathan Rees, he made mistakes

early in the premiership,

crawling his support base

within that right faction after

the privatisation split. After

all the failings in service

delivery that NSW people had to

live with, he never got it back. Nathan back. Nathan Rees lasted 14

months, Kristina Keneally had a

gauntlet of 15 months if she

makes it to the election.

Thanks for giving us that

background. I think we are

going to endeavour to cross to

- back to another location in - back to another location

Parliament House to hear

briefly from Kristina

Keneally. I want to thank Keneally. I want to thank my

colleagues who put a great deal

nd by of trust in me today. I'm hum

nd by the trust in me. I'm -

humbled by the trust in me, I'm

hear to work for the people of

NSW, I'll make a press

conference shortly, I want to

thank my colleagues for the

opportunity to lead and serve

the people of NSW. What do you

say to reports... OK, we'll

move on, that will give you

some taste of what lies ahead some taste of what lies

over the next 12 months in NSW over the next 12 months in NSW

politics. America has cranked up pressure on up pressure on Afghanistan's

President Karzai to clean up

the country's entemic

corruption in the wake of corruption in the wake

Barack Obama's commitment to

send 30,000 troops into the strife-torn strife-torn county, President

Barack Obama left the Pentagon and Afghanistan guessing and Afghanistan guessing over

how he'd react to the request

from NATO and US Commander in Afghanistan General Stanley McChrystal, for McChrystal, for another 40,000

troops to have a chance of

winning the war against the

Taliban and Al-Qaeda. The

President finally committed

30,000 more US troops but he's

flagged that America will begin

withdrawing its forces in 2011.

Few Westerners understand what

is going on more than former is going on more than

Australian Army officer David

Kilcullen, widely recognised as Kilcullen, widely recognised as

a leading expert on

counterinsurgency, he consults

to various arms of the US

Government, vaizs the NATO command in Afghanistan and

spends much time working at the

grassroots with the Afghan

people, his recent books

include the 'Accidental

Guerilla' and the penton's

counterinsurgency manual. I

spoke with him in his

Washington office. Are 30,000 troops going to be troops going to be enough as far as you are

concerned Personallist it's

low, it's on the low end of

what was requested initially

when this discussion started.

And I think it was kind of a

telling point in the speech

that he wasn't able to point to

a specific commitment from any a specific commitment from

of the allies in terms of

additional troops to go with

the American troops, taking

that and then also the time

line that he laid out, I think

we'd have to say it's right on

the edge of - of not quite

enough. General General Stanley

McChrystal is likely to have

President's mixed feelings about the

President's stons. General

Stanley McChrystal is

testifying next week, some

time, I think in Washington. We'll certainly

hear from him what he thinks, I suspect the take will be, suspect the take will be, "We

can do it", with the troops, we

would have liked to have would have liked to have more, every commander in history

wanted to have more. That

doesn't mean that doesn't mean that it's

necessarily going to be easy. The troop numbers are something

of a red herring, it's not

really about the troops, it's

more about the level of

political commitment that this

speech signals, and we are - where Afghans feel we are

coming from. In that context,

what is your reaction to the

President's decision President's decision to start a military withdrawal from

Afghanistan in 18 months. I

think the idea of having a plan

to step back and a plan to

transition to Afghan control is

a good one, and I think it's

very important to think ahead

and think about how are we

going to transition Afghan

control. I am not sure that

stating it up front in such an

explicit way right at the explicit way right at the start

of the surge of the surge was necessarily

good for Afghan confidence, we

have seen a lot of people on

the ground in Afghanistan

hedging bets over the past few

months while we've been waiting

for a decision to be made. I

think those people that have

been hedging their bets won't

be reassured by the idea that

the US will start to pull out

in two year's time. We'll have

to wait and see how people

react on the ground in Afghanistan. You pointed out that

that the Taliban now have a

permanent presence in most of

Afghanistan. Up to 80% by one

estimate, and rising year after

year. Isn't there a danger that

the Taliban will see the

President's withdrawn

announcement as an invitation

to hold on for a while longer,

and they've run. That is the

worry, it's interesting that

the Taliban leader Mulah Omagh

issued a rebuttal before the

speech, it was a prebutal of

Obama's speech. Sake, "Look,

this is fine, the America's are

doing stuff for 18 month, we

live here, they don't, they'll

leave, we'll be here, you

Afghans need to make a choice

about whose side you are on,

whether you want to be on the

side of these guys who will

leave or whether you want to be

with us", the Taliban are with us", the Taliban are

tapping into, "Look

irrespective of the success irrespective of the success of

what happens in the next 18

months, if we preserve our

force in being and hang in

there, and run out the clock,

we can potentially inherit

things once the west pulls

back, that becomes an important

factor in how we then play the

next 18 months, because it

isn't enough to just push the Taliban Taliban back, we have to make

it impossible for them to come

back in, after the handover

starts, that's a tall

order. How big is the task

ahead. If you drew a line now

between what has been and what

is ahead, how big is that

task. I think that it isn't necessarily as big as some

people think, the war in

Afghanistan is still four times

smaller and less violent than

the war in Iraq

the war in Iraq is today. There

is still much smaller number of

people killed, there's a substantially smaller

population that's affected, you

know, it's not as bad as all

that. On the other hand, what

we have done here is lost the

confidence of the Afghan

people, so it's really a

political problem of convincing

them that actually the effort

will succeed and they need to get on board. A

get on board. A lot of this is

kind of intangible. It's about

communicating confidence to the

Afghan people making them

willing to put the weapon down

and take part in unarmed

conflict rather than supporting

the Taliban, it's not about

troop packages, but the whole

package. In that context what

difference will this surge

make, how long before seeing

result and how

result and how do you measure results? More troops will help

in some ways, because they

allow us to engage with population s and start doing

more to secure them. They'll

allow us to have supervision

and monitoring effect over and monitoring effect over some

of the bad actors in the Afghan

military police that we have

been trying to deal with,

there's some benefits to there's some benefits to that.

How long it will take How long it will take is a

function of how quickly we get

the troops there, and what they

do when they hit the ground.

The plan is not to have many of

those troops on the ground

before next summer, of 2010. It

will take a while for us to see

a trickle down effect. And then

finally it depends on the

response of the Afghan

population to the presence of

more Coalition troops in their more Coalition troops in their

area. And that will be

different in different parts of

the country, there are some

parts of the country, urban

areas, parts of the north and

west where people want to see

an increased effort to secure

them. There are other parts of

the country where they may see

it as external threat and may

cause a backlash. It will be different across different

parts of the country, you won't

see that until the middle of see that until the middle of

next year. Those aren't

benchmarks to be converted into

political capital. On this

issue time is running out for

President Obama, to some extent

the reason we may look at a

2-year window in terms of the

surge activity, is people

realise that the allies are

losing patients, and countries

like Canada, Netherlands, have

already expressed an intention to to leave in that time frame,

and other people are talking

about it as well. There's a

recognition that we have really

18 months to go years to get this right and if we are this right and if we are not

able to do it in this time

frame, we need to start

transitioning. To that extent,

you can quibble whether it was

the right thing for the

President to athouns that up

front in the speech I -

announce that upfront in the

speech. I feel it might be speech. I feel it might be

better if he hadn't. You can't

argue that two years is about

right. If we don't get it right

in two years, that's 10 years

in country. You spend a lot of

time in Afghanistan, you are

going back next week, you go

out, talking to Afghans in

their villagers, how much anger

is there about a corruption

election, the fact that they

have President Karzai, and

presumably the war lords for

another five years. I think

there's a lot of anger there's a lot of anger about

local abuses, people are pretty

upset in most parts of the

country that I talk to about

some particular local official,

or some member of the rich

urban elite that has done

something that's upset them. In

terms of the election, people

are more or less resigned to

that. A lot of Afghans weren't

excited about the election. The

shock to the system in shock to the system in terms of

the corruption of the Afghan

election in August was to

Western populations in places

like Australia and Great

Britain and America. Afghans

knew it was corrupt, they

weren't expecting a different

result. Now they are looking result. Now they are looking to

see some kind of change to the

level of corruption and abuse

and the level of security and protection that they are

receiving. If they see that, I

think we may start think we may start to see

Afghans come on board. I'd have

to say the three months of

delay in coming up with an

answer has dented the

confidence of a lot of people

that I speak to. Finally, are

you more or less you more or less optimistic as

a result of President Obama's

speech. I'm very happy to see

the President engaging with the

issue, that's the most

important thing out of the last

night's speech, we have seen

the President own the conflict, step

step up and say, "This is my

decision, these are my programs

as Commander-in-Chief, I'm

making the following choices",

he was explicit about that as

he went through the speech,

it's a big step forward. We

should now start to hear less

talk about the mess that was

inherit the and more realisation that whoever's realisation that whoever's mess

it was originally, it's all of

our mess and we need to get

this there and deal with it. I'm encouraged I'm encouraged to see that

level of engagement. I was concerned by the concerned by the detachment

over the problem in the last

few months, now they were

engaged it's great, the devil

is in the detail, we didn't

here a huge amount of that

detail. We'll have to see how

it plays out as the next year's

fighting season begins. David

Kilcullen, thanks for talking

to us. Thanks, Kerry. David Kilcullen in

Kilcullen in Washington, coming

back with background to

tonight's breaking story,

Deborah Cornwall looks back on

a day when ex-Premier Nathan

Rees was replaced by the

State's first female State's first female leader

Kristina Keneally and dramatic

circumstances. I will not be

handing NSW over to Eddie

Obeid, Joe Tripodi, or Frank

Sartor, I'm determined to Sartor, I'm determined to

restore integrity to the

Government of NSW and I'll

fight for that principle.

You'd have to say it

couldn't get any worse, but it

could. The difficulty with

governments is that they age at

the same rate as dogs, and this Government is Government is now about Government is now about 112

years old. It was the last

hurrah from a deadman hurrah from a deadman walking.

Ladies and gentlemen,

throughout the past 15 throughout the past 15 months,

my ability to do good has been

impaired at every turn. A

malign and disloyal group,

well-known to the NSW community

Government almost has made the business of

Government almost impossible.

The presence of such a group

within the Nation's oldest and

Proudest political party is

intolerable. Their trashery intolerable. Their trashery and

disloyalty can be born no

longer. Rich stuff from a

Premier who stepped over the

corpse of the elected leader to

get there only to face the same

humiliating fate 15 months

later. From the factional war lords

lords that installed him, Joe

Tripodi, and Eddie Obeid. Ism

should I not be Premier by the

end of this day, let there be

no doubt in the community's

mine, no doubt that any

challenger will be a puppet challenger will be a puppet of

Eddie Obeid, and Joe Tripodi. Speculation over who

had the numbers for the top job

kept changing today, with

former senior Minister Frank Sartor the early I get Sartor the early favourite Can

I get through to the gate. Will

you be Premier by the end of

today. No. Only to be sidelined

at lunchtime for growing

support for American born support for American

Planning Minister Kristina

Keneally. I am nobody's puppet.

I'm nobody's protege, I'm nobody's girl, Mr Speaker. A

short disastrous rein of

new low in Premier Nathan Rees, signals a

new low in the deeply NSW new low in the deeply unpopular

Government Confident. Yes. A

Government so fly blown after

15 years in power, that it now

appears so consumed by internal

warring that it's all but given

up on the business of governing. There's nothing we

can do about this, in NSW we have fixed terms for

governments. They were a

fashion in the '80s, like leg warmers

warmers and worked about as as

well well. The result is that a

Government that died can't bury

itself if it wants to, this

will go through to the will go through to the end. I

don't think people care any

more. I think voters in NSW

turned off this lot a long time

ago. I don't think it will make

a difference. They could put in

Donald Duck, it would be the

same, circus that has been

going on for the going on for the last

year. Nathan Rees has been

stalked by leadership rivals

throughout his premiership.

Then two weeks ago he thought

he had finally sec urted the

lifeline he need the, the State party conference give lifeline he need the, demanding

him the right to pick his own

Ministers and rid himself of

traitors in his Cabinet. RIP

was the first to be

was the first to be

speared. Was axing Joe Tripodi

worth risking your job for. Was

it worth risking your job for.

Ultimately the community of Ultimately the community

New South Wales will decide

it. It was a crash or crash

through strategy that tonight

ended in tears. You know

something about NSW - there are something about NSW - there are

too many days I find myself being asked questions about

this and I would frankly say to

all those folk in the NSW

Government get your act

together, get your act

togetherle. It's death by

1,000 cuts in NSW. No-one can

deny the significance and

importance of NSW to a Federal

Government when they go to

election. They'll bell concerned about concerned about the trashing of

the brand - they'll be

concerned about the trashing of

the brand in NSW, you'd have to

say it's beyond repair. I think

you could say the job is ahead

of NSW's first female Premier. Now for the final

outing of the year, here are outing of the year, here

John Clarke and Bryan Dawe with

the behind the scenes look at

this week's Liberal Party meltdown. Senator Nick Minchin,

thank you for joining us It's

good to be with you. Tony

Abbott thanks for your

time It's a pleasure to be

time. Joe Hockey, it's good to

see you. Good to be with

you. And Andrew Robb thanks for

your time Good evening. John

Howard thank you for coming in

this evening. Thank you, it's

good to see you. Peter Dutton,

good to see you Just a minute I

don't have a seat, I'll find a seat. Anybody got a seat. Malcolm Turnbull, thank

you for coming you for coming in. Thank you for coming in. Thank you,

good evening. Kevin Andrews,

thank you for your time. Good evening. Tony Abbott. My

pleasure for being here. Hang

on, haven't I introduced

you It's my pleasure to be with

you Brian. Weren't you over here. I shifted my position,

I'm here now, do you want me in

the smugglers, I have gone with

the tie, I can pop in to

the tie, I can pop in to the smugglers any tick of the

clock. Clanks for joining us.

My pleasure. Ian Macfarlane,

thanks for your time It's good

to be here. Senator Nick Minchin, thank you for your

time. Good to be here. You were

over here. I was pretending to

be over there, my real position

has always been here, I was

pretending to be there. Senator

Fielding, what are you doing

here. I have to be here,

nothing can happen in the

Australian parliament without

many by approval, I represent so

many people. How many people. Dave, Beryl,

transfer. Just tell me how many transfer. Just tell me how

there are. Three. Tony there are. Three. Tony Abbott,

good evening. Good evening Bryan. What are you doing Bryan. What are you doing here,

you were over there. Don't

worry about where I was, Bryan,

I'm over here now, I'm the

leader and I'm here now. OK, we

are here to discuss where are here to discuss where the

Liberal Party goes from here,

if I can come to you if I can come to you first, Malcolm Turnbull Malcolm Turnbull -. Bryan. Tony

Abbott. Can I just point out

that I have explosives strapped

to myself, if I don't like the

way the discussion is going,

I'm capable of taking the

studio out I have explosives,

I'm stiff with the

Government. So am I. We can

take the building out. Morons,

I've had enough. I'm sick of

these bossos, I'm leaving. I'll

come with you. (Sound of come with you. (Sound of

explosion. What the hell was

that. I don't know, keep

walking. For a longer version

of the interview with David

Kilcullen, go to the web site

at abc.net.au/7.30. That's the

last of John Clarke and Bryan

Dawe.. That's the program for

tonight. And the week. Don't

forget the final 'Stateline'

tomorrow, we'll be back tomorrow, we'll be back with

'7.30 Report' Monday for now

goodnight.

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