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Tonight - nowhere to run - the media catches up with Peter Garrett after he went missing in action.

A day is a long time

in action.

A day is a long time in politics. And we heard at 8:00 this morning that the Minister is not going
to be able to give his keynote address.

As questions continue to dog the Environment Minister, Kevin Rudd stands by his man.

Peter has been in the news recently, he's been, I have to say, a strong member of this Government.
And he continues as continues as such. Welcome Peter.

This Program is Live Captioned.

Good evening, welcome to Lateline, I'm Tony Jones, Lateline, I'm Tony Jones, since the war in Iraq
began in 2003, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis fled the country, the vast majority ending up in
Jordan as refugees. Many now want to move on. Nadim and Salima live here with their son Qasim. The
family lived in this small two bedroom apartment since fleeing bedroom apartment since fleeing
Baghdad in 2003. They live in a state of physical and psychological insecurity. The family says
they want to come to Australia.

They want to go to Australia.

But are these strict immigration laws forcing them to turn to people to turn to people smugglers. A
special 'Lateline' report from Jordan later in the program. The Opposition Enviromnent Spokesman
Greg Hunt police to professor Ross Garnaut's tough criticism of their direct climate action plan.
That's coming up, first the headlines - TV coninvestigation, a BBC film-maker admits to the mercy
killing of his dying boyfriend. The Dalai Lama arrives in The Dalai Lama arrives in Washington,
China warns President Barack Obama not to meet him.

Insulation questions still dogging Garrett

Insulation questions still dogging Garrett

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Emma Griffiths

Environment Minister Peter Garrett could not escape fresh questions about the Government's
insulation and solar energy schemes after bowing out of a public engagement with ANU.

Transcript

TONY JONES: The Environment Minister bowed out of one public engagement today but couldn't escape
fresh questions about the Government's insulation and solar energy schemes.

Peter Garrett is considering whether to order sweeping safety checks of solar panels that have been
installed with Government subsidies on tens of thousands of homes.

Last night, Lateline revealed industry concerns that faulty installation could make the panels a
fire hazard.

And the insulation saga has rolled on too, with another rogue installer booted out of the scheme.

The ABC has been told that since the beginning of December, 25 have been caught flouting the rules.

Here's political reporter Emma Griffiths.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: In Ballarat this evening, Kevin Rudd and his team gathered in force - including his
beleaguered Environment Minister.

KEVIN RUDD, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: Peter's been in the news lately. He's been - I've got to say
- a very strong member of this government and he continues as such. Welcome, Peter.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: For a change, Peter Garrett didn't face any questions about the insulation saga at
the community cabinet, but it's likely to be a short reprieve.

Earlier in the day, he'd cancelled another public appearance as the keynote speaker at a
biodiversity conference, in favour of critical discussions about the program.

PROF BOB DOUGLAS, AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL UNIVERSITY: A day is a long time in politics and we heard at
8 o'clock this morning that the Minister is not going to be able to give his keynote address.

SPOKESPERSON: The minister sends his sincere apologies for not being here this morning. He was very
keen to do this opening address but he's been called away.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: He had two new developments to contend with: One, that an insulation company has
used small children to help install batts.

PETER GARRETT, ENVIRONMENT MINISTER: That company has been suspended.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: And the second was revealed on Lateline last night: solar panels that could pose a
fire risk.

JUSTIN RYAN, ARMADA SOLAR: The chances of a house catching on fire somewhere are pretty high and
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: The Environment Minister says he's considering an audit.

PETER GARRETT: There has been no linkage of the installation of solar panels with any house fires
in Australia. This is a program that's been in place for ten years; it's in place under the Howard
government.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: These problems aren't going away. Every day they just get worse and
the Minister has to take responsibility.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: The Prime Minister is doing his best to dig Peter Garrett out of the political
hole, while also acknowledging there is no easy way out.

KEVIN RUDD: Let's just call a spade a spade. There are problems with the implementation of this
program. We shouldn't run away from that, that's just a fact.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: But Kevin Rudd did feel some love.

KEVIN RUDD: What are you doing?

BALLOON GUY: This is a koala for you. Give it to the Environment Minister. He's doing a great job.
We really love him.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: And passed it on...

KEVIN RUDD: It comes down the tree and gives you a kiss on the head, bonk! There you go.

EMMA GRIFFITHS: A fate Peter Garrett has so far been spared.

Emma Griffiths, Lateline.

Brown orders inquiry into Hamas leader assassination

Brown orders inquiry into Hamas leader assassination

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Philip Williams

Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown has ordered an investigation into how British passports came
to be used in the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai.

Transcript

TONY JONES: Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown has ordered an investigation into how British
passports came to be used in the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai.

It's reported that the number of suspects in the plot could now be as many as 18, six of whom were
carrying false British passports. The rest had fake documents from Ireland, France and Germany.

The Israeli ambassador has been called to the Foreign Office in London and is being questioned over
the incident and European investigators are reported to be preparing to go to Dubai to coordinate
with UAE authorities.

Europe Corresponent Philip Williams explains.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: According to Dubai police, these are the faces of the assassins. But, in the past
24 hours, some of the British citizens now living in Israel are listed as the potential killers,
have found themselves the victims of identity theft.

First, the real Paul Keeley, and this, the man purporting to be him in the Dubai hotel where the
killing happened.

PAUL KEELEY, IDENTITY THEFT VICTIM (translated): I'm angry. Why is this happening to me? Does this
mean I can't visit my parents because someone used my name? It's like a movie.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: And another: Stephen Hodes.

STEPHEN HODES: I'm simply in complete shock. I haven't left my home. I don't know what's happening.
I haven't left the country in two years and I've never been to Dubai. I'm simply afraid.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: The Israeli Government has denied its agents are behind the assassination, but in
Britain, the Prime Minister Gordon Brown told radio there would be an investigation.

GORDON BROWN, UK PRIME MINISTER: We're looking at this at this very moment, because the evidence
has got to be assembled about what has actually happened and how it happened and why it happened.

And it's necessary for us to accumulate that evidence before we can make statements.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: The Opposition Foreign Office spokesman, William Hague, has asked the British
Government for an explanation as to how the passports came to be misused.

In the meantime, those who identities appear to have been stolen now fear they could become
unwitting targets for revenge.

ROSEMARY HOLLIS, MIDDLE EAST ANALYST: It will raise suspicion. Anyone carrying a British passport
might conceivably be up to no good when they're visiting different parts of the Arab world, such as
Dubai.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: A full account of what happened on the second floor of this Dubai hotel may not be
known for years, if ever.

Philip Williams, Lateline.

Film maker's admission reignites euthanasia debate

Film maker's admission reignites euthanasia debate

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: John Stewart

A British documentary film maker may be charged with murder after admitting to killing his partner
who was dying from AIDS.

Transcript

TONY JONES: A British documentary film maker may be charged with murder after admitting to killing
his partner who was dying from AIDS.

Ray Gosling has been arrested, but says it was a mercy killing and his lover was in terrible pain.

The admission has re-ignited debate in the United Kingdom about euthanasia.

John Stewart reports.

JOHN STEWART: 70-year-old Ray Gosling has been making documentaries since the 1960s.

But none have had the impact of his latest film about assisted suicide, made for the BBC's Inside
Out program.

In one extraordinary moment, Ray Gosling admits to killing his partner, who was dying in hospital
from AIDS.

RAY GOSLING, FILM MAKER (excerpt from documentary): I said to the doctor, "Leave me, just for a
bit. And he went away and I picked up the pillow and smothered him until he was dead. Doctor came
back. I said, "He's gone".

Nothing more was ever said.

JOHN STEWART: Ray Gosling said he'd made a pact with his lover to help him die if his suffering
increased.

JOHN STEWART: The morning after the documentary was broadcast, police arrived at the television
studio to question the producers of the film and later arrested Mr Gosling.

His lawyer made this statement.

DIGBY JOHNSON, RAY GOSLING'S SOLICITOR: It's now a very serious criminal investigation. You have to
appreciate that Ray is in custody for a charge and if he is found guilty of that charge, the only
sentence that a court can pass is life imprisonment.

JOHN STEWART: Anti-euthanasia groups have criticised the BBC for failing to report the admission to
the police before the documentary was broadcast.

But the BBC said it was not legally obliged to refer the matter to the police.

Some lawyers say the police will struggle to prosecute the case.

JOHN COOPER, CRIMINAL LAWYER: When one balances the non-identification of the body and indeed, the
lapse of evidence so as to actually prove as to how the person died, despite the admission, it's
going to be very difficult to prove.

And I would anticipate that this case is going nowhere.

JOHN STEWART: The incident is the latest development in what has been an ongoing debate in Britain
about euthanasia.

Earlier this month, the British author Sir Terry Pratchett called for the creation of tribunals
staffed by medical and legal experts to help make decisions about assisted deaths.

Mr Pratchett is suffering from early onset Alzheimer's disease.

SIR TERRY PRATCHETT, AUTHOR (2 Feb 2010): I came up with the idea of a tribunal because what's
happening now seems to be messy.

It-it seems to be, "Go ahead and try. If you get things wrong, um... the police will be after you".
It doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem human.

JOHN STEWART: Today, Ray Gosling said he had no regrets and believed the law on assisted dying
should be changed.

John Stewart, Lateline.

Hunt tackles Garnaut over Liberal climate policy

Hunt tackles Garnaut over Liberal climate policy

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Tony Jones

Shadow Environment Minister Greg Hunt responds to Ross Garnaut's accusation's of the Coalition's
climate policy of being 'an abomination.'

Transcript

TONY JONES: Last night on this program the Government's former Chief Climate Advisor Professor Ross
Garnaut broke a period of silence and essentially declared a plague on both their houses.

The Government's plans to compensate big polluters were described as an abomination, but he made
even more sweeping criticisms of the Opposition's Direct Action Climate plan, calling it delusional
and comparing it to old communist central planning.

Tonight, a right of reply to Greg Hunt, the Shadow Environment Minister.

He was in our Melbourne studio earlier this evening.

Greg Hunt, thanks for joining us.

GREG HUNT, SHADOW ENVIRONMENT MINISTER: It's a pleasure.

TONY JONES: Professor Garnaut told us last night that your direct action policy on climate change
is delusional. It reminds him of central planning that took place in the old Soviet Union, your
response to those comments.

GREG HUNT: Well, I understand he also focussed on the Government's $40 million free gifts to the
biggest polluters, and called that an abomination.

He took a swipe at both sides.

TONY JONES: Let's go back to the criticism of your policy by Professor Garnaut. Old style Soviet
central planning, true or not true.

GREG HUNT: False. And, I, uh...

TONY JONES: So, how does he come to that conclusion, because you've made the point today how much
you respect his expertise?

GREG HUNT: I do respect his contribution to public life. What I have said to Professor Garnaut, we
were at a function today, together, is that I'd be delighted to sit down with him.

I respect the work of the Garnaut Review, but where we disagree is on the mechanism. He views the
Government's $40 billion to the biggest polluters as an abomination, and in terms of our system,
what we are doing is we create a means of achieving the lowest cost emissions reduction for
Australia.

So, in the first year we'd go out and we would spend $300 million to purchase the lowest cost
emissions reduction, and we would use a market mechanism. We would purchase, just as in the water
market, the lowest cost abatement.

The Government would spend $4.5 billion in year 1 to achieve 13 million tonnes of reductions, or
$340 plus, per ton, so it's the most inefficient system you can imagine.

What we propose, what Tony Abbott proposes, what I believe in, is this a idea of direct action,
reduce emissions, clean up our farms, work on our power stations, clean up the coalmine gas, rather
than cycle the money through the big polluters and leave 4.2 million Australian families worse off.

TONY JONES: Okay, Professor Garnaut again, is arguing that your plan does not rely on the
marketplace. If it does, it's a minor market mechanism.

He's saying that you effectively are relying on regulation decisions by bureaucrats and
governments. Now, that is true, isn't it?

GREG HUNT: No, we would actually take an independent approach to purchasing the lowest cost
abatement.

So, in other words, if a farmer, if a power station, if a coalminer wanted to clean up their act,
we would provide incentives but we'd only provide incentives if people actually made a change. Not
$1 for anybody who doesn't make a change.

TONY JONES: But someone has to decide who to give that money to. So you actually have to have a
group of bureaucrats, whether you make them independent of the political process or not, they will
effectively be bureaucrats deciding who to give the money to - in other words, picking winners.

GREG HUNT: No, with great respect, you are incorrect on that. That is, and I understand that's what
the Government has been saying. What we would do is we would have a market mechanism where the
lowest cost abatement would be purchased.

So if a farmer offered 1,000 tons of carbon reduction at $10 per ton and a neighbour offered it at
$11, and then somebody else at $13, the lowest cost, the $10 and then the $11 would be chosen and
then, only when you moved up, the cost curve to the $13.

It's very simple. It's exactly how the water market operates in Australia, how the Government
operates the water market, so it's a simple model. It's easy to understand.

Let's pick the lowest cost abatement, provide carrots, not sticks, don't use electricity pricing as
this incredible penalty on mums, dads, and pensioners, on dry cleaners and small businesses -
750,000 small businesses that get nothing, no electricity payments, and they will all suffer.

TONY JONES: Once again, Professor Garnaut says there's a more fundamental problem. You mentioned
farmers, there, and of course, as a huge amount of your abatement is supposed to come from soil
carbon sequestration.

Now, the problem is, there is no way of measuring that currently, or no agreed method of measuring
soil carbon, and the amount of soil carbon sequestered.

So how are you going to get around that problem, because you need an internationally agreed method
before you can actually do that?

GREG HUNT: Well, there is already an international method. The Chicago Climate Change - eh, Climate
Exchange in the United States recognises and measures and verifies soil carbon.

The Waxman Markey and Kerry Boxer Bills, the House of Representatives, and the Senate bills in the
United States identify soil carbon.

The Garnaut Review, to which you refer, in chapter 22, sets out the potential for 280 million tons
of soil carbon abatement per year in Australia, which is more than three times what we are looking
at.

So we have been very conservative by comparison with the amounts that have been identified in the
Garnaut Review. The methods are in existence in the United States, and already soil carbon is
measured throughout Australia.

TONY JONES: Except currently, there is not an internationally accepted, globally accepted, method
of doing the measurement.

GREG HUNT: I am absolutely certain that if there is a new international agreement, that soil carbon
will be part of it.

The United States will not sign an international agreement without soil carbons being part of it.
The weight, the heft, the history, the dynamic of what is to come is that green carbon - precisely
as identified in the Garnaut review - green carbon, which is not just soil but trees, and Mallee
and Mulga revegetation - will be part of the next phase of the global agreement.

To a considerable extent, it is already there, and so these soil carbon issues are something we are
certain will be part of the next global agreement.

TONY JONES: The cost of your plan depends on the targets that you adopt for emissions reduction.
You would agree with that, wouldn't you?

GREG HUNT: Correct.

TONY JONES: Okay, we heard you say at the Press Club that you and the Government agree on targets.
That's true, is it?

GREG HUNT: Correct.

TONY JONES: So what are your targets that you want to see between now and 2025, that you are
prepared to go to if the rest of the world agrees.

Are you prepared to go as high as the Government says it's prepared to go, to 25 per cent
reductions by 2020 if the world agrees?

GREG HUNT: Well, we have said in the document, as well as Tony Abbott writing to the Prime Minister
- so as high a form of communication as you can have from Opposition - in both of those documents,
the direct action plan, and in the letter to the Prime Minister, we said "We will match your 5 per
cent, and we support and will match the range of targets, the 15 and the 25 if the conditions as
you set them out were met".

So the Government wants to set this up as some sort of debate on targets. And it wants to set this
up as a debate on science. It's not. It's a debate between two methods - direct action, a million
solar panel, 20 million trees and an emissions reduction fund which actually goes directly to
cleaning up power stations and soil carbon, and the electricity and grocery tax.

TONY JONES: Okay, so we've asked the Government very specifically what the costs would be - the
increased costs under increasing targets. What would yours be?

At a 5 per cent cut by 2020, you're going to spend $10 billion of taxpayers' money .What would it
cost to do a 25 per cent cut?

GREG HUNT: Well, there's no doubt it would be significantly more expensive and that has been our
concern. Under any circumstance, however, we believe it would be significantly less expensive than
the Government. But there is a long way to go.

TONY JONES: But would it be five times as expensive?

GREG HUNT: If there is a global agreement.

TONY JONES: Let's-let's put some figures on the ground. I mean, if it's five times the cut, would
it be five times the amount?

In other words, $50 billion by 2020?

GREG HUNT: There's a little bit of accounting which may help your viewers here.

Australia's abatement challenge is to go from 665 million tons down to 525 million tons, or 140
million ton. To get that will bring you to minus 5 per cent and allows what would increase in any
event.

To get the extra distance, to the minus 25, you've got to reduce emissions by a further 110 million
tons.

Interestingly, in our paper we've identified 70 million tons of additional or surplus potential
abatement at low cost using our approach.

GREG HUNT: Would the higher targets, if they were agreed by the rest of the world, you would
require a carbon price, would you not?

GREG HUNT: No, not necessarily. We have set out that we will have this system in place, at least
until 2020.

If there's a global agreement, then we will look at what those targets are, but our conditions are
the same as the Government. And our system is flex...

TONY JONES: But if America has- if American, the United States, went to a carbon price, you would
go to a carbon price.

GREG HUNT: Our system is flexible, but let me say this; I think that the history to come is going
in the opposite direction of what you've set out.

It is very clear that the United States is moving away from the sort of system which Mr Rudd is
proposing, and moving towards direct action, moving towards a clean energy bill, and I think that,
contrary to what you may expect, there's a movement towards precisely the sort of initiative,
structures, momentum and type of change which we've set out.

So we are identifying the direction of history, and above all else, we are identifying the best way
for Australia to achieve cheap, low-cost, fast abatement as a bridge to the future.

TONY JONES: The whole question of Peter Garrett's future appears to be in abeyance until Parliament
next week. Is the Opposition holding back more material to release in Parliament?

TONY JONES: We want Mr Garrett to immediately ensure that every house that faces potential electric
roofs is given a way out immediately.

What that means is there has to be an audit commissioned of every house and a timetable for doing
that before Parliament begins. We want the Auditor General brought in immediately. And the Prime
Minister should commit to bringing in the Auditor General.

Above all else, a Minister who has ignored 19 warnings, seen a billion dollar blowout, 1,000
electrified roofs, potentially a hundred house fires and real human tragedies - having ignored the
warnings, we think it's time for Mr Garrett to go.

But in the meantime, the Government must put in place a protection mechanism for every house with a
potentially deadly electric roof.

TONY JONES: Are you including in that the solar panels which have been put on roofs to collect
electricity, and which, as we heard last night, many of them appear to have potential problems.

TONY JONES: There should be an audit of the safety of those, and I would say that the Prime
Minister has agreed with us today, so that's appropriate.

Until now, they have not been an issue, so I'm not going to make a false accusation against the
Government. The real issue here is 19 warnings. Mr Garrett's ignored critical ones, including
States and Territories, unions, numerous other groups that wrote to him, spoke to him and warned in
the words of the States and Territories, "of fires and fatalities" if he allowed this culture of
the Cowboy to run unchecked.

TONY JONES: Is there a problem with the solar panel issue, that was the program that was initiated
under the previous Government, and, therefore it might not be the culpability of the present
Minister, but past Ministers.

GREG HUNT: No, I think the issue there is that, to date, to the best of my knowledge, there've been
no house fires in Australia, and the first of the warnings has just come.

And so it's appropriate that the Government, this time, doesn't ignore the warnings as they did do
with the insulation. Nineteen warnings there.

Here, we called on them to act today, and hopefully they've learnt the lesson of the insulation,
and it appears that they will act and check it out. And I don't want to create false threats or
false scares. New warnings, we should have an immediate action, and hopefully the Government will
do that.

TONY JONES: Greg Hunt, we'll have to leave you there. We thank you very much for taking the time to
join us tonight on Lateline.

GREG HUNT: Thank you.

Dalai Lama arrives in US

Dalai Lama arrives in US

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Tony Jones

The Dalai Lama has received a warm welcome by Tibetan followers in a chilly Washington DC for a
meeting with Barack Obama

Transcript

TONY JONES: The Dalai Lama has received a warm welcome from Tibetans living in America as he begins
a controversial visit to the United States, which includes a meeting with President Barack Obama.

China is furious that the meeting is going ahead and has warned that it will further strain
relations between the two countries.

Ties have been tested by the sale of American arms to Taiwan and Google's threat to pull out of
China over alleged cyber spying.

WU HAI DONG, BEIJING RESIDENT (translation): China has always had unresolved issues with Xinjiang,
Tibet and the Dalai Lama, the US is meeting with him. I think this is a very unfriendly move on the
part of the US.

TONY JONES: But Tibetans in America aren't concerned by China's sabre rattling.

KALDEN LODOE, PRESIDENT, WASHINGTON TIBETAN ASSOCIATION: The President made it clear when he was in
China in November that he was going to meet with His Holiness, and, uh... he's not the first United
States President that's meeting with the Dalai Lama.

Since 1990, all the US presidents have met with His Holiness, so it's kind of a routine.

TONY JONES: President Obama is expected to have a private meeting with the Dalai Lama and is
unlikely to appear in public with the Tibetan spiritual leader.

World ignoring Iraqi refugees

World ignoring Iraqi refugees

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Ed Giles

Ed Giles presents a special report into Iraqi refugees in Jordan, amid concerns the international
community is ignoring their unresolved plight.

Transcript

TONY JONES, PRESENTER: There are claims tonight that there will be a significant increase in the
numbers of Iraqi refugees seeking asylum in Australia

A leading researcher from the University of East London also says that Australia's asylum seeker
policies are forcing Iraqi refugees to consider dangerous people smuggling networks as their only
option for entry.

Ed Giles prepared this special report on the Iraqis who fled to Jordan when their country was
invaded in 2003, and emerging concerns that the international community is now ignoring their
plight.

The producer was Suzanne Smith.

ED GILES: In the wake of the sectarian violence that rocked Iraq after the 2003 invasion, many
refugees fled to Jordan seeking sanctuary.

DR PHILIP MARFLEET, UNIVERSITY OF EAST LONDON: These people are marooned, they are in limbo. And
their circumstances really are growing more difficult by the day.

More and more people from Iraq and other crisis zones are likely to try and seek sanctuary in
Australia.

ED GILES: An Iraqi child lies sleeping on the dusty streets of Amman. Her mother sits beside her
and begs.

Some Iraqi refugees live well, but the majority struggle to make a living.

(Cymbals clash)

In order to survive, some young Iraqi women dance in clubs like this one, hoping to snare a
customer for the night.

DR GERALDINE CHATELARD, FRENCH INSTITUTE FOR THE NEAR EAST: You have women who have to, basically,
sell sex on an individual basis or with the-with the full knowledge of their husbands, because it's
a coping strategy.

(Imam call to prayer)

ED GILES: The number of Iraqi refugees now residing in Jordan is a matter of fierce debate, but
conservative estimates by a Norwegian NGO claim there are at least 161,000 Iraqis in Jordan.

There are no temporary camps in Jordan. Many live in the capital's poor, crowded suburbs, like
these two women: Karema and Zeina.

Drawn together by adversity, they share this cramped roof-top and this is where Karema sleeps.

ZEINA (translation): I swear I haven't eaten anything since last night.

NICK SEELEY, JOURNALIST, JO MAGAZINE: There is a population of Iraqis Jordan and Syria and Lebanon
who are unlikely to ever be eligible for resettlement assistance, but who are also unlikely to ever
return to Iraq, because the... because whatever they face there is so severe.

They left Iraq because they were marked for death by a militia.

ED GILES: There are growing concerns that many Iraqis will have to resort to illegal migration
channels.

DR PHILIP MARFLEET: It's extremely likely, I think, that over coming years we will see more and
more Iraqis emerging into the smuggling networks.

NADIM (translation): Immigration. I cannot go back to Iraq, I would be killed.

ED GILES: Nadim and Salima live here, with their son Khazim. The family have lived in this small,
two-bedroom apartment since fleeing Baghdad in 2003.

Khazim is 13-years-old. He watches Iraqi TV with his cousin, a fragile link to his former home.

The family says they want to come to Australia. They live in a state of physical and psychological
insecurity.

INTERPRETER: They want to go to Australia.

(speaks in Arabic - translation) Why is that?

NADIM (translation): For their generosity. I mean that Australian people are generous.

ED GILES: Philip Marfleet says Australia's strict refugee policies are encouraging Iraqis to risk
using people smuggling networks

PHILIP MARFLEET: It is extremely regrettable that the Australian government has taken the position
it has.

I think Amnesty International has used the word "shameful" in relation to current Australian
policy.

ED GILES: In 2008, the Federal Government created an additional 500 refugee places specifically for
Iraqis in need.

DAMIEN KILNER, IMMIGRATION COUNCILLOR, AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY: We are able to provide assistance to,
you know, emergency cases.

And the other category that should be noted is women at risk category. Around 12 per cent of our
overall refugee program is what we call women at risk, so where a... head of a household is a
woman, often with children, and often has a direct threat to themselves - either physical or sexual
based threats as well.

ED GILES: The United Nations Refugee Agency, the UNHCR, says aid levels are decreasing for the
Iraqis and there is concern they will become less welcome in Jordan.

IMRAN RIZA, UNHCR REPRESENTATIVE, JORDAN: Jordan doesn't even like using the term "refugee" to
describe the Iraqis that are here. They're guests.

The simple point is they don't want a Palestinisation of the Iraqi situation. They don't want
something that is seen as long-term.

ED GILES: 783 Iraqis have arrived in Australia through illegal smuggling networks since 2003.

All have been granted visas.

Ed Giles, Lateline.

Aussies warned away from Bangkok

Aussies warned away from Bangkok

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Tony Jones

In an extraordinary warning, the Thai Tourism Council says Australians should avoid travelling to
Bangkok in the coming weeks.

Transcript

TONY JONES, PRESENTER: In an extraordinary warning, the Thai Tourism Council says Australians
should avoid going to Bangkok in the coming weeks.

Security around the city has been stepped up after attempted bombings in recent days. Tension is
building ahead of next week's verdict in the case of ousted, fugitive Prime Minister Thaksin
Shinawatra.

The court will decide if the State can seize more than $2 billion worth of his assets. There are
fears that his supporters, the so-called Red Shirts, will stage huge protests.

Thai authorities are warning it's best if tourists stay away.

PORNTHIP HIRUNKATE, TOURISM COUNCIL OF THAILAND: We would just suggest that, you know, for 26
February, if they can come - delay their trip to Bangkok and then come to... You know, go to other
beaches instead of the city.

TONY JONES: The council says tourists who can't avoid Bangkok next week should at least steer clear
of the city centre.

Kidnap-accused missionaries returning home

Kidnap-accused missionaries returning home

Broadcast: 18/02/2010

Reporter: Tony Jones

Eight of the American missionaries accused of kidnapping children from quake-hit Haiti are on their
way home.

Transcript

TONY JONES: Eight American missionaries who are accused of kidnapping children from quake-ravaged
Haiti are on their way home.

They were released from jail after some parents of the 33 children involved testified they'd handed
them over willingly. The missionaries were driven grim-faced from the jail to a waiting chartered
aircraft.

The group leader and her nanny will remain in jail to be questioned about a visit they made to
Haiti a month before the earthquake. However, their lawyer says they've no case to answer.

AVIOL FLEURANT, DEFENCE LAWYER: The court recognise that there's any evidence about they are
guilty. They are all innocent.

TONY JONES: The group leader had originally insisted they were only taking children orphaned by the
earthquake.

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