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(generated from captions) term that doesn't equal

stability. The Greens have

government attempts to change ruled out supporting any

the law to allow it to send

asylum seekers to Malaysia. The

High Court ruled the government

does not have the power to

declare Malaysia a suitable

place to send asylum seekers.

Senator Sarah Hanson-Young from

the Greens joins us now from

Sydney. Good morning. Is it

fair to say the Greens will not

play any part in helping the

government legislate its way

around this problem? We

shouldn't be finding ways to

thumb our noses at the decision

of the High Court. The decision

was a very serious one. The

ruling was a very important one

to take on board. And really,

it's not just about Malaysia,

of course, sending vulnerable

asylum seekers who have come to

Australia for our protection,it's not just about

sending them to Malaysia. It

really brings into doubt this

whole obsession that both the

Labor Party and the Liberal

coalition have with offshore

processing. It's the idea that

Australia can simply dump our obligations, our

responsibilities to desperate

people who arrive here,

offshore out of sight out of

mind. It's not something the

Australian people have become

increasingly comfortable with

and of course, it costs

Australian taxpayers hundreds

of millions and billions of

dollars. Now the High Court has

said it's unlawful. I can't see

why any government, whether

it's this government or any future government, would want

to continue down this track.

It's creating even more mess

day by day. As far as Nauru

goes the minister says he won't

rule anything in or out. What

do you make of the coalition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison's position that the

government should now

reconsider Nauru and also

temporary protection visas? I

think it's a bit cheeky of the

opposition to try to put this

all on to the government. When

of course, what the High Court

found yesterday and the ruling

says that in 2001 the way Nauru

was operated, the idea of the

Pacific Solution, dumping

people in Nauru, dumping people

in Manus Island was indeed

unlawful. By the same standards

the court has handed down as to

why Malaysia is unlawful. So

Nauru is not actually a viable

option. And any attempt to send

people to Nauru, any attempt to

send people to Manus, will of

course invite another legal

challenge, and there's no

guarantees that that would win.

We don't actually have to be

going down this path. This is

an opportunity for both the

coalition and for the Labor

Party to really rethink how we

manage the needs of asylum

seekers. Let's do away with

offshore processing. Let's

assess people's claims here on

the mainland. Do it in a timely

manner. Make sure we have

processes in place to look

after people and stop thinking

we can play with the lives of

these people for some domestic

quick political fix. It's

unlawful, it's damaging to

people and it's ridiculously

expensive. How to fix the issue

of the boats continuing to come

to Australia. Yesterday the

minister himself admitted he is

the examining people smuggler

also capitalise on the decision

yesterday. What do you suggest

needs to be done? One of the

key things the government can

do to avoid the desperation of

people having to invoke the

services of people smuggling is

make sure we resettle more

people directly from camps in

Malaysia and Indonesia. I know

the minister yesterday wouldn't give a firm commitment to

resettling the 4,000 people

that he'd already committed to.

Well we must resettle those

people regardless and we must

increase our humanitarian

intake across-the-board. We can

offer safe pathways to people

and let's be more realistic.

The numbers of people who reach our shores here in Australia are relatively small in the big

scheme of things. There's

always peak and troughs and it

is of course the best deterrent

Australia has is our

geographical location. Let's

make sure we have a process,

assess people's claims, we do

their ID and health checks, but

we don't have to punish people

because they are vulnerable and

because they are desperate.

These people have come here

asking for our help. Asking for

our protection. There is

currently 71 children detained

on Christmas Island because of

this ridiculous mess that's

been created. Let's assess

those young people's claims,

bring them to the mainland and

if they need protection we give

it to them. Let's stop using

them as political pawns. What

of the minister? He had to eat

a fairly big serving of humble

pie yesterday. Should he

continue to enjoy the support

of the Prime Minister? That's

for the government to work out

how they want to manage their internal affairs going forward

but this is an opportunity now

for the government to break

with the mistakes of the

past. You are essentially in

government with them, though?

We've been very clear from Day

1 that we don't support

offshore pro seg. Only last

week was the 10 year

anniversary of the tam when

this whole saga of offshore

processing began. It's when

John Howard rushed through this

piece of legislation in

literally 48 hours. Right from

Day 1 the Greens said we had

big problems with this. We

can't dismiss our

responsibilities either under

international law or simply as good-hearted, compassionate

Australians. People who believe

in the idea of a fair go.

Members of our community who

want to see us lead by example

in the region. 10 years ago it

was unlawful. It's unlawful

today. That's what the High

Court found yesterday. And we

need to find a better solution,

an Australian solution. And one

that is underpinned by the rule

of law, by commonsense, by

economic efficiency, and making

sure that we protect the most

vulnerable. And that of course

includes children. What impacts

do you think is likely to have

on diplomatic relations with

Malaysia? It is pretty

embarrassing? Well, it's

always been a bit of a problem

hasn't it, because the moment

this announcement was made in

May, I questioned the minister

and said hang on, where's the

legal advice to suggest you can

do this? Where's the

guarantees? We can't just

dismiss the everyday

experiences of refugees and

asylum seekers in Malaysia and think that because Australia's signed a bit of paper that's

going to be any different. Now

I do think that that obviously

would've created interesting discussions between our

diplomats but they're

discussions that have to

happen. We can't pretend that

we can turn a blind eye to the

treat and ill treatment of

vulnerable people in our

region, whether it happens on

our doorstep or in neighbouring

countries. We do need to talk

about those things. But to give

Australia legitimacy in leading

the way forward, the way we

should be treating vulnerable

people in the region means we

have to stand by those

principles as well. And

Australia has tried to shirk our responsibilities. That's

not showing leadership. That's

actually being weak. The

strength in what can be taken

from the High Court decision

yesterday is this is an

opportunity for Australia to

actually show how we treat the

world's most vulnerable people

that we can have a process to

deal with that, that is

organised, but that is fair.

And of course, puts the people

at the centre. We can't forget

these are people they're

talking about. They're not just

numbers on a spreadsheet.

They're lives, they're face,

families, young people,

children and that's what

unfortunately the government

and the opposition so

conveniently seem to have

forgotten the last 10 years. Sarah Hanson-Young, thank you so much for joining