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(generated from captions) continues the cycle and it's a

Mecca for the drug dealers to

hang around there. I think that

there are other ways of doing that. Julian Morrow. CROWD BOO

From what I understand, the honey-pot effect argument

doesn't work and is disproved by places like decriminalisation. There are schemes similar to. There

hasn't been an increase in

usage. Most of the evidence on

these things which is rarely

used in these emotive used in these emotive public

debates shows that schemes like

the one you're talking about

work pretty well, they should

be supported and expanded in

Australia, I would've

thought. (Applause) Let's hear

from the former New South Wales

Health minister. According to Connie I'm one of the people

that might be the person that is most legally supervised injecting the establishment of the

room trial which I'm very proud

my successor as Health Minister here Carmel Tebbut made into law and it will be interesting

to see what Barry O'Farrell

does about that. But the whole drug debate is drug debate is always clouded

by humbug and none sense.

Prohibition does not work.

Access to treatment and

policies around getting people

the opportunity to get into

treatment as readily as

possible and early intervention

works, works overwhelmingly and

frankly the evidence of the medically supervised injecting

room shows that beyond doubt

nonsense. the honey-pot effect is

nonsense. It's not true. It

doesn't happen. And we have 12

years of solid data accepted by every significant institution

around the world, except the

New South Wales Liberal brief question on that, because Party. (Laughter) Just a

the New South Wales coalition

pressure to close down that government is under a lot of

injecting room. If it

catastrophe. It's a disaster. happens? I

It's also got to be remembered

this is in the context of a big

revision of our drug policy. The Howard Government did join

in a lot of the reforms we

made, somewhat reluctantly I

think at first, but those

reforms were important, and as

I said, prohibition doesn't

work. The war on drugs will

always be a failure. No-one has

the power to prosecute a war on

drugs. You're fighting your own

better and smarter. I just don't understand the logic of

this sort of stuff. Giving

heroin to addicts, may as well

give alcohol to - grog to

alcoholics. What the hell do you do

CROWD BOO you do with paedophiles?

What?! It is illogical. It is divisive. And try spreading this around the

country, watch the country

CROWD BOO divide. Tania Plibersek?

Um ... um ... I'm a supporter

of the medically supervised

injecting room but I think we

need to be very careful. Graham

and Connie are saying that the

medically supervised injecting

room and prescription heroin

are the same thing. This you're

not of course. The prescription

heroin trial in Switzerland was

a very different thing. People

said when the medically supervised injecting room was

first mooted, a lot of people

said this send as terrible

message and I always thought

that was a strange thing to

say, because the message it sent to me was we care about

you enough to keep you alive until you can seek treatment.

We'll help you get into a

treatment program as quickly as possible. And I think the

medically supervised injecting

room has been really important

in preventing overdoses and

getting people into treatment

programs. It's been a

resounding success and I think John should be congratulated

for taking what was a brave move. (Applause) Thank

you very much. That is all we

have time for. Please thank our

panel, Grahame Morris, Tania

Plibersek, Concetta

Fierravanti-Wells, Julian

Morrow and John Della Bosca.


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Shadow Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, the US Ambassador Jeff Blush, Australia's Blush, Australia's leading political publisher Louise

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Tonight - the victorious NSW

Premier makes his pledge to the people. There will be no gotcha

announcement because of the moment, there'll be no

state of finances we can't

deliver or won't deliver our

promises. And the Federal

Opposition leader says NSW

voters are the Gillard government. It

might have been... If you want

to walk again with the

Australian people, if you want to regain their trust, don't

even think about introducing a

carbon tax without seeking a

mandate first. I believe the

people of NSW know the

difference between state issues

and federal issues. This was a

making. This Program is decision a long time in the

Captioned Live

Good evening, welcome to

'Lateline'. I'm Ali Moore. A

historic defeat for Labor in

NSW, but whether the result has

federal implications depends on

who you talk to. The coalition

is making the most of Barry O'Farrell's resounding success, the government though sticking to its argument not too much can be read into the

result for Labor in Canberra.

How did the former NSW become

such a basket case. Our guest tonight former NSW Labor cabinet minister Frank Sartor

who retired at Saturday's

election. First our other

headlines. Retaking territory,

Libya's rebels close in on

Colonel Gaddafi home town.

Still shaking as another quake

the rocks Japan, the operators of

admit radiation levels have

reached a about knew high. A

government crackdown on illegal

have driven women to abortion clinics in Thailand

have driven women to attempt

abortions themselves. Labor's

reign over NSW has officially

ended with the swearing in of

Lib ram leader Barry O'Farrell.

At the latest count the now

leaderless state Labor will be

lucky to hold on to it 1 MPs in

Parliament. The coalition's the 93 seat Lower House of

state party reeling and federal overwhelming

Labor scrambling to limit the

damage. With the new premier

in place, it didn't take too long before there was a overstate and federal infrastructure funding. Karen

Barlow reports. 43rd premier

of NSW has assumed tower.

Under God I meant my loyalty to

Australia and to the people of

NSW. And gone straight into a briefing on the state's finances. There will be no

gotcha moment, no announcement

because of the state of finances we can't deliver finances we can't deliver or won't deliver promises. Barry O'Farrell has

zeroed in on transport as a

portfolio in need of most

urgent attention. The Liberal

leader wants to leader wants to divert $2

billion worth of federal infrastructure money to a

project of his choosing. The Sydney south-west and north-west rail links. Part of

the mandate that we received on

Saturday night was clearly to get on with that job. The

Federal Labor Government,

dealing with three Liberal

premiers, says the money is

tied to another project, Parramatta-Epping rail link. The Federal Government gave a

commitment during the federal

election and I intend to honour

that commitment. The coalition

is blaming that other is blaming that other federal commitment, the carbon tax, for

the loss in NSW. If you want to walk again with the Australian

people, if you want to regain

their trust, don't even think

about introducing a carbon tax

without seeking a mandate first. Federal Labor

state issues. I think NSW

voters had made up their mind voters had made up their mind a

long time ago and I don't long time ago and I don't think that they made that they made up their minds

on the basis of events in the

last few weeks. And they say it was thought without federal personalities like Tony

Abbott. The hiding in NSW they

had to hide him from the people

of NSW. The coalition is also capitalising on the loss of state Independents, Peter

Besseling from Port Macquarie

and Peter Draper from Tamworth.

The federal Independents Rob

Oakschott and Tony Windsor, are being urged to abandon Julia Gillard. Disglmpblingt they are backing the wrong team. My

position mass not changed. The

proof will be in the pudding.

I'm quite happy to be judge

pond what happens in

two-and-a-half years time, not

what happened on Saturday at a

State Election. Which leaves Labor no its postmortem. The dominant right

faction in NSW has been crushed

and party heavyweights naks

lism must go Concentrate on

the basic core values and not fon factionalism and

personality. If we start from

today with absolute commitment

to putting the Labor interest above factional

above factional interests, that

will be a massive step forward

for the Labor Party be something that we haven't seen in literally seen in literally decades. The surviving Labor MPs are being

told not to meet in

but that they should meet as a

unified caucus. Senior Labor

figure, Senator John Faulkner

does not rule how the Federal

Intervention. I certainly want

to make a difference to the way

the party's been working in NSW

and that's something we're all going to

the weeks and months ahead.

The Labor caucus will next

meet on Thursday when they are

expected to make former union

boss John Robertson the State's

next Opposition Leader. Karen Barlow, 'Lateline'. A 20 year

old seem seeker has been found dead in the kur tonne detention centre. A spokesman for the

Department of Immigration the

Afghan man was found in his

accommodation block at 3pm and

detention centre staff were

unavailable to revive him. The

department says the in Australia by boat late last

year. It's understood that he was

was waiting for a decision on

whether he to could stay in

Australia. It is believed the death is a suicide. There have

been six deaths in Australian detention centres since last year, five of which were

suicides. A man who threw his

daughter off the west gate

bidgesss had been found guilty of murder. Arthur Freeman

didn't dispute he threw four

year old Darcy Freeman off the

Westgate Bridge in January

2009, but he pleaded not

2009, but he pleaded not guilty by reason of After five days of deliberations, a jury in

Victoria's Supreme Court this

evening found him guilty of

murder. Muammar Gaddafi's troops are tonight claiming to

have stopped the rebel advance

on Gaddafi's home town of

Sirte. During the past 24

hours the Libyan sur agains

have moved swiftly into

Gaddafi's heartland retaking

the key towns of Brega the Ras Lanuf and Bin Jawad, Middle East Ben Knight reports from

the rebel capital the rebel army stopped at all,

it was only to bury their dead.

The advance of these forces

along the road to Tripoli has been stunningly fast and so far they've met with little

resistance as Colonel Gaddafi's

army appears to be in retreat.

Beaten back by the allied air

strikes that have destroyed

large numbers of government

tanks and ah tillry along this

road. The Lib ran army left

behind ammunition and weapons

as they fled, including Korea. It was thought that the

government forces would pull

back to Sirte to regroup. That's

That's the Libyan leader's home

town and it is a major

stronghold of stronghold of his regime. But

then a few hours ago came

another stunning piece of news.

The rebels claimed to have

captured the city of Sirte.

But that claim appears to have

been wildly exaggerated. But

the opposition army's morale is

high and they're now determined

to keep pushing on to Tripoli, although the fight for will be their greatest test

yet. The rebels have captured

several major oil terminals.

That's a major blow to Colonel Gaddafi and could be a possible

source of revenue for

rebels if they can hold on to

them. But the oil isn't making

it to the petrol pumps.

Shortages are now being

recorded in several opposition

cities but morale there is also

high, despite the queues.

There will be enough oil, fuel

for them to go from where they are right now in Sirte to him. We will come to you,

Gaddafi. There are shortages

also in the capital Tripoli and

not just for fuel. There have been long lines to buy food, bread and other staples. What

the West wants Libya is not

democracy. You want oil. Libyan State Television

has shown pictures of wounded

people in the city of SAB. Victims of allied air trikes.

The US denies any civilians

have been hurt. Reporters in Tripoli are controlled by the regime.

They're finding it difficult to

move or to confirm the claims

that are made by either side.

But on Saturday, But on Saturday, sortry came to them when Iman al-Obeidi walked

into the media hotel to claim

she'd been tortured and raped

after being detained at a

checkpoint. The pictures

flashed around the world of government officials man handling her out of the hotel

and back into detention. Iman the ABC she has been offered

money, a car, even a house to

change her story, but that

she's refused. The government

now says Iman al-Obeidi has

been released, but so far that

bs too has not been confirmed. Ben Knight, 'Lateline'. Highly radioactive water has been

found seeping from a reactor

building at the Fukushima

nuclear plant adding to fears

the liquid is leaking into the

environment. Earlier workers

were evacuated from the plant

because of high levels radiation. The east coast of

Japan was struck by another tremor today triggering a

tsunami warning. North Asia correspondent Mark Willacy

reports from Tokyo. Once a

thriving down of 70,000 people,

Kesennuma was swallowed up by

the tsunami within minutes.

This new video shows how this unstoppable

unstoppable force tore the

place apart, at first sweeping

away cars, then buildings and

then entire neighbourhoods.

With nearly every building flattened and thousands dead or missing, many community will never be

rebuilt. Further south at the Fukushima nuclear plant workers

are still battling to get the reactors under control.

not being helped by confusion

from the plant's operators who

yesterday reported they'd found

radiation in puddle 10 million

times higher than normal. That

was later corrected to 100,000

times higher than usual.

Either way, it's a catastrophic

figure. TRANSLATION: This is the observed up to now. A key

concern now is how to safely pump away the highly

radioactive water. On that

score the government here in

Tokyo is warning the population

to be patient, saying it will

take time. TRANSLATION: Of

course, there is a need to

ensure the safety of the workers as there are high

levels of radiation. We cannot

just remove it and throw it

out. There is a need to remove the radioactive matter and put

it somewhere else. This will

take a certain amount of time. Time is something operators of Fukushima allegedly ignored when

designing and building this plant. An investigation by

associated press suggests TEPCO dismissed important scientific

data that but disregarded 3000

years of geological history.

In other words, the company

should have known a tsunami of

this size was not only but had hit the coast before. Keeping

the population on edge, a more

earthquakes. This

magnitude quake shook the east

coast this morning and

triggered a tsunami warning

which was later cancelled. After dozens of aftershocks,

and with a nuclear crisis and scores of communities in ruins,

Japan is facing its gravest crisis since World War II.

This is a country that's being

rattled in more ways than one. Mark Willacy, 'Lateline'.

Back to our top story, the comprehensive defeat of the NSW

Labor Government and the

victory of Barry O'Farrell and

his coalition. his coalition. We're joined in the studio by former NSW

cabinet minister Frank Sartor

who retired at Saturday's

election. In 2009 he stood against Kristina Keneally for

the Labor leadership. Frank

Sartor welcome to 'Lateline'. . Thank you very much. You of

course were a senior minister

in the Labor Government for a

good five years before you went

to the backbench. How does a

State Labor Government the point that we get the

bloodbath that we got on

Saturday? I think a number of

things happened over time that

build up and people don't see

them. I think people became a

bit addicted to success. They

became addicted to what I became addicted to what I call cosmetic side of politics, being political tacticians and

you forget the fundamentals of

good government are good

policy, making sure we dress

things, think long-term not

short-term and you fall into that sort of trap. At the same time, I think some subfactions

emerged. You saw people over

time, over a decade or

build up support in the caucus

for themselves, a few new war

Lords set up their own shop, so

to speak, it was a lolly shop

and people queued up for the

lollies. There was a famous saying at the caucus meeting

statement in September 2009 the

day that the new Reece cabinet

was being chosen and I had been dropped from the cabinet by

Reece and he got up and said I need no explain to everyone this is about politics. In other words, we don't

other words, we don't appoint

people on merit. Because if

you weren't in the queue of the

lolly shop, you didn't get into

cabinet. As a result, the quality of cabinet gradually

got worse. If you look at the first Carr cabinet it was

stronger than the last Carr cabinet. When did the rot set

in? I think some of the problems started to emerge in the late 90s. Under Bob Carr?

At the administrative side.

Not so much under car. Carr

was an astute

strong cabinet. The rot was

sending when Eric Roozendaal was General Secretary, the

addition to big donations from

the business sector, donations

obscenely large in some cases

and taken at a time when the

government was dealing with

their projects was stupid,

stolely stupid. You had a situation where started to fill the party up

with their mates, with the men

who supported them for no other

reason than loyalty to them. It wasn't just right and left,

it was subfaction in the right

and that became like a cancer

in the right. Obeid still is

there. He should be resigning

now and go. He's persistent.

That's how insidious it all

became. Once Carr left and his

authority went with him, the

cabinet became progressively

weaker. Morris

pretty good fist of it, but we

saw all this corrosion have poo effect. You talk about Obeid, he's staying on in the Upper

House until until the House until until the midterm, but how much responsible does

the NSW Right faction bear and

is it less than some might say given what you're talking about

faction within faction? How

much responsibility do you

sheet home to the likes of owe

deed and bit tar and Joe po de. The admin straft wing

of the party lost the plot after John della Bosca. I

don't think Eric Roozendaal

orbit tar were anywhere near as

good as their predecessors.

They wanted to be great fixers

but they weren't half as bright

at Richardson. They allowed

the party to be filled up in

the backbench when weren't that

good. Decision making

structures weren't good. At

the same time, this sort of

block started to form in the right right which became very

territorial and once Carr left,

once Carr was about to leave,

they sought to exert power. Morris Iemma resisted

that power. He tried to do a lot of good things. He was

trying to bring the party back

to policy but he failed because the administrative wing of the

party decided he had to go. It

is difficult to understand all

their motivation, but it wasn't

just electricity. Electricity

was the pretext, but they were

trying to get rid of Morris

Iemma. You're giving a commentary on a government

almost as if it is over there

and you're over here. But you were an intergrarl part of this

government. . No. You were a senior minstir for five years. How did you cope with it P

Planning Minister for example.

It was very frustrating but I

was not part of the kitchen

cabinet. I was not part of the

inner core. I was a senior

minstr but I didn't see a lot

of decisions at close range

except the ones that came to

general cabinet. To give you one

one example, the reason electricity privatisation

model, the one pushed Roozendaal and supported by

premier Keneally never came to

the full cabinet. It should

have come to the full cabinet.

It was a dope pee model. It was never

not stand up. You and so many

others in the Labor Party are

more than cape be of expressing your

your opinions. Why not? The

fact is I I wasn't Energy Minister, I wasn't Treasurer, I

raise it with the Premier

twice. I said you should talk

to me about. It never

happened. It was never put on

the agenda. At the end of the day we got day we got very top town, very

centralised, premiers and treasures, it is that team that

runs government. Carr had a

brilliant Treasurer in Egan,

who was sound and tell Carr

what he wouldn't want to hear

and Morris Iemma had a competent treasure although he

was bombastic and caused more

problems he should have and it

went downhill from there. You

had a decline central decision making apparatus and others

were not that involved and at

the same time the party machine

became too narrow. We lost trust of the people. I was

going to say, Morris Iemma says that the party machine declared

war on the government.

Statement, Senator Mark Statement, Senator Mark a bib

told 7.0 tonight the influence

of the machine is overstated in

terms of policy. That's untrue.

Mark Arbib's argue. It goes

to state policy that's where

policy is decided by party members. One of the party

officials decided Iemma had to do, electricity had nothing to

do with it. There was anyway

move on Morris Iemma.

Electricity was a event way of

trying to get

Iemma. They decided they want

to get rid of Morris Iemma. It

was an appallingly stupid thing

to do to account down an

elected premier. They got rid

of him. Electricity failed

although there had been a

number of compromises agreed

to, and so once Morris Iemma

left and Nathan Reece was

notice, there was no debate, no

referral for a day for

discussion, immediately the

toxicity that came from that

meant that Reece was being undermined. undermined. I don't think he

was the right choice anyway,

but the fact is that flowed

on. Of course you stood against

Kristina Keneally and two more

votes had gone your way you

would have been premier. Could

you have led to any different outcome what happened on

Saturday or had the rot set in

by that point? At least when Kristina Keneally got elected

we had a ballot. When Reece balance let. I got up in the

right wing caucus and said

let's defer. They said do it right now. There was no room

for discussion, no contest, no

ballot. With Keneally we had a

ballot and the caucus said they

had a say. Robertson is a

bright tough character but already he has been

pre-ordained. Is that a fait accompli. It should be the Catholic Church

Labor Party. The fix is on and Robertson has to explain the

role he had in Nathan Reece. The unions and

the party machine, there is a

dormant block of unions that

control after the

administrative committee pretty

much and they represent 10 per cent of the workforce. The fact

that people say because Obeid

and bit tar are no longer

there, NSW Right, the inn inn fledges has

would say no. Party machine is

still heavily at work. Party

machine is heavily at work.

You've got the block that

operates the admin committee.

In Richardson's day we had a

collective then. It is run by

a General Secretary and the unions tend to be dormant

except when their own interests

are at stake. The public

sector workers in this state are on are on clover. They're paid a

lot better than every other

state if you take into account

cost cost of living (is John

Robertson the right person

despite what you've said. I

think it is difficult. I don't

want to choose one amongst three or four contenders, but I

have to say the fact the fix

has been on and he's been core

Daned months ago is a bad sign. Secondly, he has to explain his

role in tearing down Morris

Iemma. These cultural issues

have to be addressed. Kris

Keating as to require your services in

services in its parliamentary

leadership, it will have no future itself. That's pretty

damning, isn't it, from Paul

Keating. It is damning and

Paul is it not known for

understatement. It is fair to

say I personally think that the next the Parliament at the moment.

I think the Labor Party has a

lot of soul searching to do.

It does need to do

restructuring. It needs to

understand good policy is

important. Cosmet it being politics focus groups,

marketing is relevant sometimes

but is not the core issue. We

need to go back to our values

and actually develop good policies because shrunk. The Liberal Party's

base is broader than

ours. Needing to give the

membership more value, that's

been made many times over

years. Senator John Faulkner,

senior federal Senator said if

we start from today putting

Labor interest above the

factional interest that will be

a massive step forward and for the Labor Partin't's something

we haven't seen in we haven't seen in decades.

What hope is there for

reforming? You're talking

about fundamental party reform, stripping away all

layers. It will be difficult.

I hope they sit back and do

little and hope the tides against because the tide will

turn. The simple fact is we have no choice but to make

significant changes. We have

to develop good policy, think

about looking after the whole community not just a few

members of a few public sector unions. Where that he aelts

deplg to come from. Federal Intervention, where's the drive

for this change? It will come

from the people. Our base has

eroded from both ends. The

simple fact is whoever is leader

their head and the part

apparatus that we have to be

bet at reform, better at

policy, like many Labor

Governments have in the past. We've led the nation in reform throughout the centuries. Do

you think from should be

federal invention now. I don't

know what Federal Intervention

is will do. I don't think bit

tar and Obeid know what they're

doing necessarily. There is a lot of people in the Labor

Party , it is a good

they have to take stock of this

and say we don't want the same

old fixes. The Robertson thing

should have been a much more

open ballot. All these fixes

that keep going on. Stop the

fixes. Give people democracy. This raises the

question of federal impact. Is

the Federal Government right when they

when they say that not too much

can be read into this? What

are the federal ramifications. There are two good There are two good things for the Federal Government. No longer do we have the

distraction of NSW. created a bit because Rudd kept

putting us down. We no longer

have the distraction of NSW and

it developed a mythology of its own. A lot own. A lot of our services

were very good. The second

thing now that more than half

the population are governed by

Liberal State Governments this

whole idea you can blame across

the nation is dissipating. Abbott's blame game is going to

diminish. There are some significant problems for the

federal Liberal Party. They

too have caught disease where they think it is

all about rapid fire media

cycle policy making on the run

and we've seen a few signs of

that. They've got to sharpen

up and get much better up and get much better at good

policy. Greg Combet is very

good but they've got a lot of

catch up to do to make sure

they become a solid stable government delivering policies

and thinking two or three steps

ahead. Where do you see the most similarities in federal

Labor to the disas turf state Labor. Our stupidity with the

solar scheme when we followed

the Greens. If you follow them

you end up over a cliff. That a supplies to Julia Gillard. They

haven't done it yet you, but we followed them on the solar

bonus scheme, we blue $2.3

billion of public money, the

Greens had a policy and

Robertson and Reece followed

them. Gillard has to be very

careful. We need to be a Green

Party, we need to be a

environmentally strong party

but do that on our own terms.

A bit like the Hawke-Keating, the McKell and the government and the early days

of the Carr government. We

were sensible Green, not mad

green like a third of the Green

Party are quite mad. Very

left-wing and very mad. That

has to be very careful to

pursue strong environmental

issues but on their terms, issues but on their terms, not

on the terms of Bob Brown and

the Greens. Because the Greens

are an treatment miss and absolute tis party. They would

disagree but wholeheartedly.

In the federal sphere. happy to debate with the Greens

any day. In the federal sphere,

though, the question becomes

whether or not that same NSW Right influence

apparent. There are a number of ministers who have that

power base, but most federal

Labor will tell you that there

haven't been factions federally for a long time. Probably true,

but the methodology has been

similar. This notion of

political basically tactical

politics and focus groups has

been strong there too rather and start with good policy, good politics follows good

politics. Keating said that, a

number of federal people said

that. I think that's where they've they've shown signs of being

wobbly. They may correct that

but they have to be careful not

to be drawn into the abyss of

the ex streams on both their

flantion. If John Robertson is

going to be elected later this week as leader of Labor, you

are say he's an interim leader,

he'll just be running with a

poison chalice. I surprises my and all of us. He

does represent a fairly narrow base, the

base, the old industrial base which dominates

which dominates the Labor Party

has become irrelevant. We have to become a broader social

democratic Church. I don't

think John at the end of the

day will pull in the majority

of the votes in NSW. He may, I

hope he does, I personally like

him, he won't like what I've

got to say tonight. I don't

think the future premier is in

the Parliament. A final

question - how much personally? You were a member

of this government. Whether you

had the power or not. That's a

good question. That's one that

I agonised about I agonised about many times. I had many ethical dilemmas

whether to resign more leave or whatever, but you take the view

you're part of a team and

you're there for the long-haulment there were times

when I was Planning Minister

and party officials were

collecting obscene scene

donations and it was making my job speak up. I did internally. I

refused to go to fundraiser.

People never saw that. What

got rid of me Minister were the developers.

They were angry. They weren't getting what they thought they

were going to get. The developers were my real

enemies. People thought it

was the local community

members. It was actually the developers. Perhaps in

retrospect I should have left the

the portfolio at the 07

election, but I actually wanted

to keep it because I thought I

probably had probably had better protected, better gatekeeper than others

might have been. Should I have

left? What else could I have

done. What I could have done was walked out. The party is

not very for giving as far as

public descend goes, especially

if you're a cabinet minister. A

lot of members did in fact walk

mouth prior to this election.

It's going to be many long hard

yards for the Labor part in

NSW. Frank Sartor, thank

thanks for talking to

'Lateline'. It's a pleasure. Thanks very Thanks very much. The

government has passed a key

part of its national broadband legislation after a marathon

debate that resulted in the House of Representatives House of Representatives being recalled today from its long

break. The government gained

support from key Independents during today's debate by a shoorpg country broadband users

would pay the same as city

users as far as possible. The Independents then sided with

the government to shoot the government to shoot down an opposition amendment to lock in

that assurance. The opposition

proposed an amendment to add

cost to something that they've

argued for many years has been

too costly. What is extraordinary today is the

policy shift from the co- coalition. The opposition in

turn accused the Independents

of turning their backs on their constituents by taking Government at its word. Because the motion was part of the

agreement they made with

their support with this grubby

deal that the government has made with the

cross-benchers. Parliament risen again to resume the break

before the budgeted. In through land women are

attempting to abort their own

babies after a government

crackdown on illegal crackdown on illegal abortion clinics. Late last year the

discovery of more than 2000 illegally aborted foetuses that

were being stored at a tem p

temple sparked debate whether abortion should be legalised. The government

ruled out any change to the law

but social workers are saying women are buying abortion drugs on the internet, using recreational recreational drugs and alcohol or attempting home abortions to

try to end unwanted try to end unwanted presenting pregnancies. Zoe Daniel

reports. The discovery shocked

Thailand. More than 2000

illegally aborted foetuses were

discovered in storage at a

temple awaiting cremation. The undertaker ceremonies were held to cleanse

the site, and the authorities

vowed to crackdown on illegal

clinics. A worker delivering foetuses said to

number of clinics was also

arrested. Clinics like this

were subsequently raided and closed. How many have you

done already? I never do it.

Yes you have. No. It's

true. I don't believe

you. Abortion is illegal

is involved or the live of the

mother is at risk. 300 to 400,000 abortions had said to

be performed in Thailand each year. The foetuses have to be

disposed of covertly. They

know that only, for example,

only one clinics that providing

abortion service. They have the

client s one month like 5,000 clients in one

health advocate, Puneet Puneet,

says the crackdown on illegal

clinics has worsed many of those women to seek other ways

to end unwanted pregnancies.

It has led some to buy abortion

drugs on the internet to treat

themselves. They are easy to

find the medical abortion pill

on the website. But the problem is you never know

whether the pill is the real

one. There are claims that women women have attempted to abort their babies with pills dangerous advanced stages of

pregnancy. On the website they

will tell you like, you know,

if you have like four or five

months of pregnancy you can

still use the pill which is

very dangerous and it is not true at all. Part of the

abortion stigma is related to

booed dix which dictates that

taking any life is a sin. This

newly released film dramatises

the discovery at the

plays on Thai superstition

about death suggesting those

who abort babies will be

haunted by ghosts. We made the plot of the movie to make

people scared of the way they

do the abortion which is

dangerous and scary. And the

spirits of the baby that wanted

to be born might feel revenge

full that they were going to be

born and suddenly were

stopped. The director says he's

not completely against abortion

but wants to discourage it. I am educate people and to make them

scared so they do not have an

abortion and the illegal abortion could be dangerous.

They could get an infection and could be bleeding to death like

in the movie. When this young

woman got pregnant at 16 she

easily found a clinic to terminate the pregnancy despite

abortion being illegal. My

friend told her she did it before She decided not go ahead. I saw had abortions walked out. Some

had blood all over their legs.

Then I was scared and did not

want to do it any more. Now we

can't show her face because she

even considered abortion. Her

daughter is now a year old.

This shelter is where women

come for support. This social

worker had an abortion herself

10 years ago. It was just as

easy then as it is now. I went

a blown during working hours and just nothing happened. Did not tell

anyone. She now counsels women

in crisis, but many ignore advice and drink advice and drink or take drugs

to induce miscarriage. She claims the children are

sometimes brain damaged due to

late use after borings drugs

and are abandoned. Other women

attempt to perform the

abortions themselves or get

friends to do it. In ply

opinion you allow it or not.

They'll do it any way. It is very dangerous

Thai Government says the

country's abortion laws are

flexible enough and won't be

changed. However, there is an increased emphasis on

education. Meanwhile, the

temple where the foetuses were

found has become a shrine. Zoe Daniel, 'Lateline'. Now to the

weather. A few showers for Brisbane, showers and a storm

in Darwin, a possible sthour

for Sydney, partly cloudy in

Canberra, fine and mainly sunny

in the other capital sit I

tease. That's all you like to look at tonight's

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Good evening. Welcome to

Lateline Business. I'm Ticky

Fullerton. Tonight - could BHP

be lining up for be lining up for Shell's share of Woodside?

In my view, the LNG assets of

Woodside are exactly the sort

of fit that BHP would be

looking for. Just how long

should a disgraced CEO wait for

a shot at rehabilitating their

business career? If this had

happened to your daughter in another

hire that candidate to run an organisation where you were on

the board? And how fast can

Japan come back? The rebuild promises growth, but promises growth, but tonight's

expert about any GDP forecast

because of nuclear fallout. We

have no idea how damaging it

will be and how long it will

take to contain it and remove

radiation scare. To the

markets with a six day winning

run on the local market fizzled

out. When billions of dollars

change hand the talk often

turns to resources giant BHP

Billiton. Friday's spike in the Australian dollar and a huge

pick-up in Woodside Petroleum's

share trading triggered

speculation that BHP might be

after Shell's unwanted stake in

the oil and gas producer. Analysts

Analysts say a BHP bid for

Woodside makes sense stage. Is the BHP Billiton

chief Marius Kloppers on the verge of

verge of another multibillion

dollar deal? It's been very

hard for them to find the right kind of assets that they can

grow over decades. In my view

the LNG assets of Woodside are

exactly sort of fit that BHP

Billiton would be looking for.

Speculation that BHP Billiton

might be hunting for Woodside was triggered after the Australian dollar shot up on

Friday. There was talk BHP was buying the

to purchase Shell's remaining

24% stake in Woodside, which it

wants to sell. It coincided

with a four-fold increase in Woodside's share Woodside's share turnover. Some

suspect it's the start of BHP's

quest to become a bigger player

in the LNG market given

Woodside is sitting on three of

the world's major LNG projects.

Browse, Sunrise and Pluto. BHP

has a Scarborough gas field on

the outer North West Shelf they're not quite sure how to

commercialise. Woodside has the Pluto project where it has a

lot of expansion potential and

approvals in place to expand

but they haven't got the

gas. Those problems are

opportunities for BHP. But

with Marius Kloppers sell

another 40 to $50 billion deal

to shareholders who've been

burned by takeover attempts Rio Tinto and Canada's Potash

Corp? The BHP board may not

have the stomach to go for a

fourth big deal after three

previous ones have fallen over.

And that leads us to think that

the more likely outcome for BHP

is to buy Shell's 20 or 24%

stake and get a blocking stake

so that they know they have the

foot on this hugely strategic

company and then work out later

when it moik a full bid. But

buying 20% or more would compel

BHP to Shell may not sell anything

less. So some are asking

whether Woodside is just too expensive. There did long-term trend to higher

energy prices. If you factored

in slightly more bullish oil or

LNG prices Woodside could look

cheap at $60 a a share for

example. It could go to

about a 20 or 22 million tonne

per annum producer or 5 or 6%

of the world ace market in 15

years' time. BHP buying a local

Australian asset, they know

that the tax regime in

Australia very well, they know

the politics in Australia. And

cut customers - I don't think there

there would be a problem with customers. Some expect to know

soon enough if it will be

fourth time lucky for Marius

Kloppers. Shares in Sigma

jumped 11% today on some rare positive news shareholders. Full year results

to the end ever January show

net losses reined in 40% to

$235 million. The sale of its pharmaceuticals pharmaceuticals division to

South Africa are South African

group Aspen earlier this year

has also enabled Sigma to pay a

special fully franked dividend

of 15 c per share. While the

loss is disappointing the

company is pleased to see the

health care business continuing to grow despite recent

challenging times. Shares in

troubled agricultural chemicals supplier Nufarm fell

it will continue to do well.

New farm posted a first-half

net profit after tax of $4.44

million, a big improvement on

the $40 million loss for the

same time last year. Underlying profit is also up, coming in at

22.7 million dollars compared

to a $4.2 million loss for the

same period last year. The

company says it's benefitted

from positive climatic

conditions in Australia an

improved operating environment,

restructuring in Brazil and a

move to higher value products.

New farm says it's confident of

a strong improvement on a strong improvement on its full year results but earnings

were dependent on a number of

factors outside its control


conditions in key markets. A

bit of a flat day on the local

share market. Earlier I spoke to Charlie Aitken from Southern

Cross Equities. The new week begins where the old one left off in big picture

terms? That's pretty right.

Still concerns about the

effects of the Japanese

earthquake. Libyan air strikes,

etc., etc. But the market

really was a bit down today, mainly

mainly because of BHP. Market

down 9 points. BHP accounting

for 7 points of that. for 7 points of that. A bit of

a dull start to the trading

week but relative to the

volatility we've had lately points down is a pretty good

outcome. Not dull for the Australian dollar now at a

post-float high. Has that had

any impact on share prices? Definitely had the market thinking. It's not just

versus the US dollar as

we're up at 64p and 73 euro.

Broad strength for the Aussie

dollar. It does have the market

thinking about exporters and

commodity prices in Aussie

dollars, etc., etc., but the

main thing it has it thinking

about is M & A. The currency