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Tonight - bagging the tax.

There isn't a State that wouldn't lose important manufacturing industrial centres if the carbon tax
goes ahead.

But the Prime Minister persists in pressing her case.

We've got to be very clear about this. We're going to have a stronger economy with better job
prospects for Australians if we price carbon than find ourselves languishing behind the rest of the
behind the rest of the world with a high pollution economy.

Good evening, welcome to Lateline, I'm Ali Moore. It's been a day of meetings Canberra all focused
on the wunge thing - a carbon tax. Who should pay it and how to compensate those who could be hurt.
It's a bitter battle with a wide range of industries lining up to make their case for special stay
kus. While the list of unknowns about the tax stays long there's no shortage of opponents waiting
to fill come up with the final shape of the carbon tax is the Government's multiparty climate
change committee which held its 6th meeting this morning. 6th meeting this morning. The committee's
codeputy chair is Greens Senator Christine Milne.

You can't simply say not one job will be lost, you have to talk in net jobs, you have to talk bt an
industry policy for the future and that's the big gap in the current debate. People talk about the
industries we have but they don't talk about the big opportunities that tr there for transformation
and you only have to look at the information technology revolution to see that 20 years ago to see
that the jobs that are there in their hundreds of thousands now were not there or couldn't have
been imagined.

Christine Milne is our guest tonight from Canberra. First our other headlines. Gangland general
pleads guilty. Tony Mokbel faces another 20 years in prison for a string of drug offences. A get
out of jail pass. Day release extended Western Australian man Marlon Noble.

Steel job fears spark more carbon tax backlash

Steel job fears spark more carbon tax backlash

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: Tom Iggulden

A South Australian unionist says the Federal Government's proposed carbon tax will kill off
steelmaking in parts of the state.


ALI MOORE: First it was going to lead to an increase in the cost of living, now the carbon tax is
accused of having the potential to wipe whole towns off the face of the map.

The warning came from a senior South Australian unionist, who says the tax will kill off
steelmaking in Whyalla and Port Pirie where OneSteel is a large employer.

The claim was made as OneSteel executives met with the Government in Canberra, from where Political
Correspondent Tom Iggulden filed this report.

TOM IGGULDEN: The South Australian seaside town of Whyalla, along with neighbour Port Pirie, the
perfect scene for a carbon-tax tsunami according to the Australian Workers Union.

"Goodbye. They will be off the map," state secretary Wayne Hanson is reported as saying.

JULIA GILLARD, PRIME MINISTER: Well, strong words don't make it right, and that's completely
untrue. We will be protecting Australian jobs as we price carbon.

TOM IGGULDEN: But the comments are a gift for Tony Abbott.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: I thank those union officials who've spoken out against this carbon

TOM IGGULDEN: The AWU's public campaign is allowing him to pose as a friend to workers, promising
to protect not only those in South Australia.

TONY ABBOTT: There isn't a state that wouldn't lose important manufacturing industrial centres if
the carbon tax goes ahead.

TOM IGGULDEN: But that prediction was undermined by Mr Abbott's hosts in the west today, with BHP
Billiton announcing a $50 billion expansion to its Western Australian iron ore operations.

TONY ABBOTT: BHP and other companies are assuming that this tax couldn't possibly go ahead in its
current form.

TOM IGGULDEN: And while South Australia's steelworkers' step up their public campaign against the
tax, their bosses are saying as little as possible, following a meeting with the Government on the

REPORTER: Were you happy with the meeting?

GEOFF PLUMMER, ONESTEEL CEO: It's a work in progress and we'll leave it at that.

TOM IGGULDEN: The Government also met with Greens and independents over the tax through its
multi-party committee, but details there are also scant.

Key independent Tony Windsor says the lack of information is feeding community opposition to the

TONY WINDSOR, INDEPENDENT MP: Everybody is against the carbon tax because they don't know what it
means. I'm against the carbon tax, because what does it actually mean and where is the revenue
stream going to go?

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Windsor is yet to commit to backing the tax, and the Opposition's stepping up the
pressure on him to oppose it by threatening to run the National's Barnaby Joyce against him at the
next election.

But Mr Windsor says it's the Nationals leadership Senator Joyce really wants.

TONY WINDSOR: I know he's had difficulty getting a seat in Queensland because the lower house
Nationals members don't want him in the lower house, so that's not a secret either, so obviously he
has to go looking somewhere else.

BARNABY JOYCE, NATIONALS SENATOR: I don't want it to be sort of a personal new idea, days of our
lives tangle.

TOM IGGULDEN: But that would be going against recent form during the last election night.


TONY WINDSOR: I would absolutely take no notice of what Barnaby Joyce says, the man's a fool, are
you Tony?

BARNABY JOYCE: Will you give a straight answer, yes or no? Give a straight answer mate.

TONY WINDSOR: Well I don't have to talk to you Barnaby.

(end of excerpt)

TOM IGGULDEN: Though Senator Joyce has yet to formally announce he'll seek preselection, the
tussles already drawn in the leaders from both sides of the house.

JULIA GILLARD: Is Tony Abbott going to go to the next election saying to Australians that Barnaby
Joyce would be deputy prime minister if Tony Abbott is elected as prime minister?

TONY ABBOTT: I think anything would be better than Wayne Swan as deputy prime minister.

TOM IGGULDEN: That was in response to a question about Barnaby Joyce, but the Opposition Leader
quickly added he was talking about the current Nationals leader, Warren Truss.

Tom Iggulden, Lateline.

Mokbel pleads guilty to drug charges

Mokbel pleads guilty to drug charges

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: James Bennett

Melbourne gangland boss Tony Mokbel has pleaded guilty to several drug trafficking charges,
admitting he was in charge of a drug empire.


ALI MOORE: Melbourne underworld figure Tony Mokbel has pleaded guilty to several drug trafficking
charges, admitting he was the general in charge of a vast drug empire

Mokbel triggered an international manhunt when he skipped bail while on trial for smuggling cocaine
in 2006.

He was eventually captured in Greece a year later and extradited back to Australia.

His plea means details of proceedings against him, including two failed attempts to prosecute him
for murder, can now be revealed

James Bennett reports from Melbourne.

JAMES BENNETT: A smiling and upbeat Tony Mokbel yesterday pleaded guilty in the Victorian Supreme
Court to three trafficking charges, one each for his speed and ecstasy operations and another for
trying to convince another man, who was actually an undercover police officer, to smuggle ecstasy
for him.

In exchange for the guilty plea, police have dropped four more major drug investigations.

PETER FARIS, QC: No comment, this is the biggest interview I've ever done, no comment.

JAMES BENNETT: Mokbel was due to face the first of seven drugs trials in a few weeks time.

The prosecution alleged the 46-year-old was known as "the General".

It was the crown case that Mokbel oversaw drug manufacturing and distribution enterprise nicknamed
"the Company" which produced more than 45 kilograms of speed and 30 kilograms of ecstasy in
Victoria between 2005 and 2006.

The drug kingpin structured his operations so that his underlings bought the drugs from him, thus
guaranteeing him millions of dollars in income.

His guilty plea lifts a myriad of suppression orders, meaning it can now be reported that Mokbel
was also tried over the murder of another Melbourne underworld figure, Lewis Moran. Police had
alleged that Mokbel and gangland ally Carl Williams each paid half of the $150,000 given to two men
who shot their rival Lewis Moran in Melbourne pub in 2004. Williams, who was murdered in prison a
year ago today, admitted ordering the hit, in 2009 a jury acquitted Mokbel.

Tony Mokbel was also charged with the 2003 murder of hot dog vendor and drug dealer Michael
Marshall. That case was dropped for lack of evidence.

Mokbel's notoriety skyrocketed when he skipped bail in 2006, while facing trial for smuggling
cocaine from Mexico. According to police he spent six months hiding out at Bonnie Doon in rural
Victoria, then made his way across the Nullarbor Plain and sailed from Fremantle to Greece aboard a
yacht modified to conceal him. A $1 million reward had been posted for information leading to his
capture. Mokbel was arrested at a cafe in Athens in 2007, wearing a fake wig, and using the alias
Stephen Papas.

The three trafficking offences Tony Mokbel has admitted to are a far cry from the seven separate
drug investigations and two murders Mokbel was wanted for at the time he was extradited from
Greece. Greek authorities cited the seriousness of those charges as a major part in their decision
to agree to Australia's request.

Tony Mokbel fought extradition for seven months, including an appeal to the European court of Human
Rights. He's currently serving nine years for the cocaine smuggling charges he fled. These
admissions are likely to net him another 20 years in prison.

James Bennett, Lateline.

Deported Adelaide man arrives in UK

Deported Adelaide man arrives in UK

Broadcast: 20/04/2011


British-born man Clifford Tucker, who has lived in Australia since he was six, has arrived in the
UK after being deported yesterday.


ALI MOORE: The British-born Adelaide man deported after failing a government character test has
arrived in London.

Forty-seven-year-old Clifford Tucker moved to Australia from the UK with his parents when he was

The father of three spent 12 years in jail in the 1980s and 90s for a series of violent crimes but
only came to the attention of immigration authorities when he took his first overseas holiday to
Bali in 2008.

Mr Tucker never applied for citizenship, and was ordered to leave by the Immigration Minister.

CLIFFORD TUCKER, DEPORTEE: I still can't believe it. I still feel numb. I can't understand how the
Australian Government can treat a permanent resident this way. And someone who has tried so hard in
the last 10 years to rehabilitate themselves the right way, and still be treated like they are a

ALI MOORE: He says he doesn't know how he will spend the rest of his life.

Mentally disabled WA man gets more freedoms

Mentally disabled WA man gets more freedoms

Broadcast: 20/04/2011


A mentally disabled Western Australian man who has been in prison for almost 10 years without
conviction has had his day release extended.


ALI MOORE: The intellectually disabled man who has been in a West Australian prison for almost 10
years without conviction has had his day release extended.

Last night Lateline brought you the story of Marlon Noble, a 29-year-old man accused of sexually
abusing two girls but deemed mentally unfit to stand trial.

Authorities ordered Marlon Noble to be jailed for an indefinite period, because Western Australia
has no declared place to look after mentally impaired accused people.

Supervised prison day release has been introduced over the past few years.

And today a review board announced that Marlon Noble will spend just two days a week in jail.

Triple-0 operator chastises flood victims

Triple-0 operator chastises flood victims

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: Francene Norton

The Queensland flood inquiry has heard a triple-0 operator berated a mother and her son just before
they were swept to their deaths.


ALI MOORE: The Queensland flood inquiry has heard a triple-0 operator chastised a mother and her
son, shortly before they were swept to their deaths.

Two emergency calls made by Donna and Jordan Rice were played to the inquiry as their family wept
quietly in the courtroom.

Francene Norton reports from Toowoomba.

FRANCENE NORTON: Survivor Blake Rice and his father John Tyson were surrounded by family, as they
prepared themselves to hear the final recordings of their loved ones.

The calls were made on the 10 January as floodwaters swept away their car in Toowoomba's CBD. In
the first call, the police operator demanded three times: "Why did you drive through floodwaters?"

"You shouldn't have driven through floodwaters in the first place."

The family of Donna and Jordan Rice wiped away tears as they listened to the rising panic in the
second emergency call. In the background, Donna Rice could be heard yelling at her sons to jump on
the roof, while Jordan Rice pleaded with the operator to hurry up because they were about to drown.

The female operator shouted: "If you don't tell me where you are we can't help you."

"Tell the woman beside you to stop yelling."

Donna Rice's widower John Tyson read a statement to the court about the impact the tragedy has had
on his family's lives. And in response to the triple-0 calls, Mr Tyson said: "I fail to see what
part of the call wasn't panic."

"What gave someone the right to decide that I have to bury half my family?"

Earlier the court heard from the chief executive officer and Mayor of Toowoomba Regional Council
about whether an SMS alert to residents before the flash flooding hit would have helped. Both told
the inquiry that given the waters rose so quickly, an SMS may have created more panic.

KEN GOULDTHORP, TOOWOOMBA COUNCIL CEO: Would they have rushed outside? Would they have jumped into
their cars and drive home? Would that have made it more dangerous?

PETER TAYLOR: We want to hear all of the good ideas that might come out of such a commission

FRANCENE NORTON: The inquiry heads to Dalby tomorrow.

Francene Norton, Lateline.

Esk flood victims still waiting on flood payments

Esk flood victims still waiting on flood payments

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: Steve Cannane

Flood victims in the southern Queensland town of Esk say insurers are not doing enough to process
claims and get families into proper accommodation.


ALI MOORE: While the flood inquiry tries to get to the bottom of what went wrong, many
Queenslanders are still waiting for insurance payments that will help get them back on their feet.

Steve Cannane visited the town of Esk where one family is still living in a shed thirteen weeks
after their home was flooded.

MARIANNE BETTIENS, QLD FLOOD VICTIM: This is now where we're living. We've christened it the
"sheddo" instead of the chateau due to RACQ. We're still waiting on a payment from them and some
answers on to when they are going to pay our insurance out.

STEVE CANNANE: Marianne Bettiens has been living in this shed with her husband and teenage boys for
the past 13 weeks.

MARIANNE BETTIENS: It's coming on winter it gets very cold here about -4, -5, no heating no running

STEVE CANNANE: Their home was rendered unliveable by the flood and their belongings washed away.

Marianne Bettiens was rescued from floodwaters by the SES, dragged out by a rope after the water
reached throat level, and if all of that's not enough, she's also recovering from cancer.

MARIANNE BETTIENS: I've only just come out of hospital in November from a double mastectomy and
this is taking a great toll on my health and my stress levels and I'm still suffering from that all
as well and I've just about had enough.

STEVE CANNANE: Marianne's neighbour was insured with Suncorp. She says they've already been paid
out and are rebuilding their home.

When you explain all this to your insurer what do they say?

MARIANNE BETTIENS: We're looking into it. We haven't made a decision. It has to be reviewed. Or
every time that you ring the person that you need to talk to is not in, on holidays or at lunch and
they don't return your phone calls.

STEVE CANNANE: Three days ago the family was given a one-off emergency payment of $15,000 but their
home and contents were insured for around $500,000.

RACQ turned down Lateline's request for an interview. In a statement a spokesperson said: "RACQ
Insurance has accepted a claim from the policyholder and is working with them to finalise their
claim. There are some unique and complicating factors associated with the claim which have been
identified through the assessment process."

The Mayor of Ipswich says flood victims in his community are being left in limbo.

PAUL PISASALE, MAYOR OF IPSWICH: We're trying to help people who are totally devastated so if
covered by insurance what we're saying is you can go second and so what happens is if you don't
know whether you're covered by insurance or not your whole life is on hold you can't apply for any
other rounds of funding which means you're really stuffed.

STEVE CANNANE: But RACQ say they've processed the vast majority of claims. In a statement on their
website they say: "So far we have been able to make a decision on 94 per cent of the household
claims we have received. The remaining six per cent are more complex in terms of determining the
cause of water inundation."

But Sally Doyle disputes those figures. She's still waiting for an answer from her insurer, and she
says she's seen plenty of other examples in her job as a social worker.

SALLY DOYLE, SOCIAL WORKER: The very clear picture I'm getting in the community and that most
people are getting in the community is of people who are still waiting they've either been told no
or they haven't had a clear yes or no from the insurers and in the majority of cases that's what's
been happening.

STEVE CANNANE: Marianne Bettiens says flood victims need to be paid quickly.

MARIANNE BETTIENS: These insurance companies they just look at the number on a piece of paper. They
don't look at the human impact that they're having on people. They're quite happy these CEO's of
the insurance company living in Sydney Harbour in a mansion. I mean, I'm quite happy to ring them
and ask if three teenagers, two adults, three horses, a dog and a cat can come and six chooks can
come and live in their lounge room - I don' t think they'd agree to that, so why do I have to live
in conditions like this?

STEVE CANNANE: Steve Cannane, Lateline.

Carbon tax debate needs future focus: Milne

Carbon tax debate needs future focus: Milne

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: Ali Moore

Deputy Greens leader Christine Milne joins Lateline to discuss the concerns over the Federal
Government's proposed carbon tax.


ALI MOORE: And now back to our top story, the carbon tax.

There were a number of meetings on the topic in Canberra today. In the afternoon, business leaders
put their case for compensation. But before that it was the turn of the Greens and Independents as
part of the multi-party climate change committee. The committee's co-deputy chair is the deputy
leader of the Greens, Christine Milne, and she joined me a short time ago from our Parliament House

Christina Milne, welcome to Lateline.


ALI MOORE: The multi-party climate change committee, you've had your sixth meeting today. Are you
any closer into working out exactly what this carbon tax is going to look like?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well we've certainly gone through a lot of detail but we're really waiting on the
productivity commission and also the modelling before we can make final decisions. But we are
certainly aware of the complexities of each component of where we need to go. Particularly on
things like assistance to the energy intensive trade exposed, looking at the generators and also
looking at what else we have to pay for including research and development and land sector. So
there's a lot to be thinking about.

ALI MOORE: It all depends, I guess, on where you start, what price you start with. Would $20 a
tonne, as used by Greg Combet to work out a few calculations last week, is that an acceptable
starting price for the Greens?

CHRISTINE MILNE: We haven't had the discussion about where the starting price will be. I'm
certainly aware that the Minister has been out there using $20 as an example on quite a few
occasions. Equally Professor Garnaut has talked about a range of between $20 and $30. We also are
cognisant of the fact that whatever we adopt here will have to intersect with the international
price when we go to flexible schemes. So we're looking at all of those things and considering it
but certainly the Greens want to make sure that this time we have an environmentally effective as
well as economically efficient scheme.

ALI MOORE: Does that mean $20 is too low as a starting point in your mind?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well, it's a matter of negotiation and the committee hasn't really discussed where
the price will end up and that looks at a number of issues including how we need to spend the

ALI MOORE: Are you close to talking about price? I would have thought that's sort of central to the
whole game of your starting point?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well it's certainly important but we also need to have the Treasury modelling to
give us a sense of price. We are looking at what's going on around the world. We want to make sure
that we give to investors a long-term signal, something that's transparent, something that is
certain and that means we have to be very careful and we are being careful because this is a major
reform that will transform the Australian economy and that's very exciting too because it gives us
a bright and different future out to 2050.

ALI MOORE: So if you haven't talked price in that committee and you acknowledge Greg Combet has
been using $20 a tonne, when you talk about steel only being affected to the tune of 0.6 per cent
on the steel price, what price on carbon are you talking about?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well that was a Deutsche Bank analysis that basically went with, as far as I
recall, a mid-20s price but it was saying that 0.6 per cent would be all it would be added to, or a
percentage of, the steel price. So what the point that was being made there was that for all
industry's special pleading, the reality is that the Australian dollar is a bigger issue for steel
than a carbon price is likely to be.

ALI MOORE: At the same time the Australian Workers Union has made it very clear one job lost and
this tax will lose its support and indeed just today the union said that Whyalla and Port Pirie
will be wiped off the map because thousands of jobs will be stripped. Bottom line, will jobs be
lost? Will new jobs be able to be created as quickly as old jobs potentially will go?

CHRISTINE MILNE: That's where we have to make sure we get a good transition, a just transition and
also make sure that we set in place a policy that gives investors certainty so that we can get the
new jobs. A Climate Institute report came out fairly recently saying that there's likely to be a
net jobs increase of somewhere up to 34,000, for example.

ALI MOORE: But over what period? That's the key, isn't it?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well yes, but the issue is you can't simply say that not one job will be lost
because you have to talk in net jobs, you have to talk about an industry policy for the future and
that's the big gap in the current debate. People talk about the industries we have but they don't
talk about the big opportunities that are there for transformation and you only have to look at
what's happened in the information technology revolution to see that 20 years ago the jobs that are
there in their hundreds of thousands now were not there or wouldn't have been imagined.

So our main focus here is to make sure we are creating the jobs of the future and that we're making
sure that the trade exposure of industries is taken into account while setting those investment
parameters for things like research and development and renewable energy.

ALI MOORE: When you look at compensation, you made it very clear that industry should not expect
the same compensation as under the now scrapped CPRS which was agreed with Kevin Rudd. Now you
thought the compensation there was too generous but Greg Combet has repeatedly made the point, and
this is a quote, a lot of good work was done under the CPRS and we're working on the basis of that
initial proposal that was put forward. Is there a gulf a mile wide between where you start on
compensation and where the Federal Government's starting?

CHRISTINE MILNE: There's certainly a difference of opinion. For example, the last package had a
global financial crisis buffer. I don't think that that needs to be there anymore. I also think
that some of the aspects of that compensation, for example, if industries were shown at the period
of review to be over compensated, they were to continue to get that over compensation for a further
five years, well that doesn't make any sense either. In terms of energy security, we want to make
sure there are changes to the national electricity markets so that demand-side management comes in
and we can look at shaving off the peaks, if you like, with a variety of strategies including
demand side.

ALI MOORE: What about steel though? Would you put on the table exempting steel all together?

CHRISTINE MILNE: We want to see evidence-based information from the steel industry. What they've
managed to do is try and change the debate from one about their level of trade exposure to one
about the Australian dollar and the input costs. Well there are many industries that are suffering
because of the high dollar caused essentially because of the incredible minerals boom. They include
industries like education and agriculture and tourism and nobody's talking about giving them a
buffer for the Australian dollar. So we need to do this on the basis of trade exposure and that's
the work that the Productivity Commission is doing for our committee and that will be very
important in shaping our thinking.

ALI MOORE: Greg Combet also says that more than 50 per cent of the money raised will go to
compensating households, how much more than 50 per cent is being talked about?

CHRISTINE MILNE: That's the position that the Government has put and there's general agreement
around the table that the key thing has to be that the polluters pay for their pollution, they will
pass through some of that cost and that is where we will help households to meet those costs. So we
are agreed that low-income households, also people who are on pensions, who are on income support,
they will get this assistance and that is critical that that happens.

ALI MOORE: And is it through a tax cut?

CHRISTINE MILNE: Well we are discussing how it might happen. We had a very good presentation from
one of our experts, Patricia Faulkner, today who made the point clearly that if you go for
percentage compensation you are going to seriously disadvantage those who are on the very lowest of
the benefits and so we need to be looking at how we can help people on an almost sectoral area
basis rather than looking at just one size fits all because it won't in this sector. We are really
focused on making sure that actual dollars are compensated.

ALI MOORE: So could that more than 50 per cent mean 60 per cent because of course businesses then
looking at what's left in the kitty, how much more than 50 per cent could end up going back to

CHRISTINE MILNE: That's a really key point because last time the Government was going to subsidise
the carbon price scheme they had from the general revenue in the Budget to the tune of an extra 2
per cent in the first year and 13 per cent in the second year. This time one of the principles is
that it has to be Budget neutral. So there will be no subsidising it and out of the remaining 50
per cent you're talking about assistance for energy intensive trade exposed, assistance for
generators, you're talking about whether or not petrol is subsidised, looking at research and
development, renewable energy and assistance in the landscape sector.

So we have to turn over every dollar very carefully to determine what is in the best interests of
Australia, how do we build the low carbon future and invest in the exciting frameworks that we need
to have to bring that on whilst at the same time looking after householders and compensating

ALI MOORE: But there's two points there, isn't there? First of all it may not be 50 per cent that's
left on the table. If it's more than 50 per cent that goes to households it's whatever is left and
then business can't assume that's all going to them, they could end up with just 30 per cent of
compensation, is that possible?

CHRISTINE MILNE: I'm not going to put any figures on what is possible in terms of that break down
but I certainly encourage the community to think about the fact that with 50 per cent assistance
going to households, there are all those other calls on the money. So as soon as you get some big
industries making a lot of noise about compensation, people need to think yes, but do we want to
invest in research and development, commercialisation, do we want to put some money into the
landscape sector so that we see money flowing out to regional Australia? I think the answer to that
will be yes, and so this time there will not be politicising, if you like, of the compensation.

There will be an evidence-based approach which has a much more visionary aspect to it in terms of
what we're building, not just what we are trying to compensate from the old economy.

ALI MOORE: It sounds wonderful in theory, of course, that it won't be politically based but bottom
line if the Greens are not happy with what ends up on the table, would you prefer nothing than a
deal that you don't like as was the case last time?

CHRISTINE MILNE: I think if you look at the evidence, last time our problem was that there was a
ceiling on action, it was nowhere near what was need either to address climate change or to
transform the economy. This time it was the Greens who put this on the table after the election,
it's part of our agreement with the Prime Minister and so this is something we are working very
hard on, we've got the experts around the table, we're taking evidence from right across the
community and from industry and this time we're determined to get an outcome, to have a scheme in
place by 1 July 2012.

ALI MOORE: But what if it's an outcome that you don't like, that the Greens don't like? That the
Government has to negotiate with other players, it's got enormous political pressure from virtually
every industry you could name right now. If it's something you don't like what happens then?

CHRISTINE MILNE: We have a committee that's around a table including the independents, the Greens,
the Government, there was a place for the Coalition, they chose not to take it. We know that there
will have to be compromise, of course there will, in order to get a scheme through the parliament
and in place. The important thing is that that scheme is flexible enough so that there can be
increased ambition on what we try to do on climate change over time.

ALI MOORE: You won't contemplate failure at this point?

CHRISTINE MILNE: I'm not going to contemplate failure because I want to see Australia take its
place in the international community doing something on climate change and actually preparing for
the low carbon economy, preparing to give us a competitive place in that low carbon global economy
otherwise if we go with Tony Abbott's plan we will be left behind.

ALI MOORE: Senator Milne, it's going to be a long few months, I think, many thanks for joining us.


Marrickville Council scraps Israeli boycott

Marrickville Council scraps Israeli boycott

Broadcast: 20/04/2011


Marrickville Council in inner-Sydney has voted against its proposed boycott of Israeli products
after a public backlash.


ALI MOORE: A Sydney council has dropped its boycott of Israel at a meeting tonight.

Marrickville Council in Sydney's inner west voted to drop its boycott of Israeli goods after a
heated debate between Palestinians and Jews.

The Greens-dominated council adopted the boycott in December last year as a protest against
Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.

Greens Mayor Fiona Byrne attempted to continue the boycott, but only three of the 11 councillors
supported her.

FIONA BYRNE, MARRICKVILE MAYOR: As tonight's meeting will speak to the issue of the
Israel-Palestine conflict, I ask that we all consider the many lives that have been lost in this
conflict recently and over many years.

ALI MOORE: Several councillors said they had been under enormous pressure from media and lobby

Those who voted against the boycott argued the council should focus on providing better local
services rather than on foreign issues.

Authorities fire on Syrian protesters

Authorities fire on Syrian protesters

Broadcast: 20/04/2011


Syrian government forces have fired on protesters in the country's third largest city as
pro-democracy rallies gather across the country.


ALI MOORE: Government forces have fired on protesters occupying the central square of Syria's third
largest city, Homs, as unprecedented pro-democracy demonstrations continue to spread across the

Defying orders not to protest, crowds swept into the square calling for the overthrow of Syrian
president Bashar al-Assad. Mass funerals for slain demonstrators were also held in a number of
cities and towns, including this one near Homs.

Amateur video appears to show soldiers opening fire on the mourners. Three people were reportedly
killed and several more wounded.

Four weeks of protests have left at least 200 people dead. Despite president Al-Assad's promise to
end 50 years of emergency rule the protests show no sign of abating.

Zimbabwe court stops mass grave recovery

Zimbabwe court stops mass grave recovery

Broadcast: 20/04/2011

Reporter: Ginny Stein

A court in Zimbabwe has ordered that work to exhume hundreds of bodies from an abandoned mine shaft
must stop.


ALI MOORE: In Zimbabwe, a court has ruled that efforts to exhume hundreds of bodies from an
abandoned mine shaft must stop. For weeks, the exhumations have led the news on government
television, with the Mugabe regime seeking to exploit their political value as the push to hold
elections gains momentum.

Africa correspondent Ginny Stein reports. And a warning this story contains disturbing images.

GINNY STEIN: In Zimbabwe, death is not always as it seems. Here at Heroes Acre, Robert Mugabe is
presiding over the funeral of Harare governor David Karimanzira, a man he's labelled a national

ROBERT MUGABE, ZIMBABWEAN PRESIDENT: Yes, he's gone, but look at what he has done, look at what he
has bequeathed.

GINNY STEIN: But to others, this staunch ally of Mr Mugabe is anything but that and this funeral is
purely politics at play. As the governor was being laid to rest, north of the capital, hundreds of
victims of past conflicts were being dug up.

VICTIM: We are revealing the comrades and the people who died during the liberation struggle.

GINNY STEIN: Zimbabwe is moving towards elections, possibly this year, and the un-named dead have
become campaign fodder.

ANNA MADZIBA, FALLEN HEROES' TRUST: We've got nine year olds with catapults around their neck.
Maybe they had actually gone to herd cattle and they were caught in the crossfires.

GINNY STEIN: A mass grave in an abandoned mine site has become a most unlikely and highly
politicised drawcard.

ANNA MADZIBA: This is true genocide, this is an example of true genocide.

GINNY STEIN: Each day hundreds of people, including school children, visit this remote bush site
north of Zimbabwe's capital Harare. They're told the killers were white farmers and soldiers who
sought to prevent Zimbabwe gaining independence in 1980.

ANNA MADZIBA: When you hear us Zimbabweans saying we don't want white people, this is where we are
coming from. This is how we are feeling, we are saying they killed us, they tortured us, they
destroyed our people.

GINNY STEIN: A group of local Mugabe loyalists have taken it upon themselves to exhume the dead.
This is the first of four sites they say exists here.

GEORGE MUTANHIRE, CHAIR, FALLEN HEROES' TRUST (translated): There are 849 bodies we've retrieved
from one mass grave but we're not finished. We would like all these bodies to be removed from these
mass graves because they are imprisoned. They were discarded by the enemy. This is inhumane for our
country. They need to be freed. The country needs to be cleansed.

GINNY STEIN: While some of these remains may belong to victims of Zimbabwe's independence struggle,
there are indications many here are more recent victims. Perhaps from the election violence two
years ago.

would look like it was a drip.

GINNY STEIN: Which would make you think the bodies have come straight from a hospital.

DR ROBERT NGUBE: From a hospital, yeah.

GINNY STEIN: Doctor Robert Ngube is the chief forensic pathologist at Johannesburg's main morgue.

DR ROBERT NGUBE: There are two separate types of human remains that have been found from this site
and probably they belong to different age or era.

GINNY STEIN: State television stopped broadcasting daily exhumations, when the High court ruled
bringing up the dead must stop. Coalition home affairs minister Therese Makone is from prime
minister Morgan Tsvangirai's MDC party.

THERESE MAKONE, COALITION HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER: That area is a crime scene, because those were
crimes that were committed regardless of who committed them. And crime scenes should not be
tampered with.

GINNY STEIN: For now the Government has ordered these bodies be stored away once more. Uncovering
Zimbabwe's past when the future is so uncertain, remains a complicated and painful business.

Ginny Stein, Lateline.

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