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Good Morning, I'm Nick Lucchinelli.

The Victorian State election has

failed to provide a clear cut winner.

There was a 6% swing against Labor

yesterday's poll, but it's still not There was a 6% swing against Labor in

clear if the shift in voter

clear if the shift in voter sentiment

is enough to put

is enough to put the Ted Bailleu led Coalition in office. Premier John

Brumby will continue in caretaker

mode until an official result's

declared. Qantas passengers who were

bound for London on a 747 flight

spent the night at a hotel in Sydney. bound for London on a 747 flight have

Their

Their pilot couldn't leave the

because of a wiring issue with the Their pilot couldn't leave the runway

engine. Qantas says the problem's

been engine. Qantas says the problem's now

depart shortly. North Korea has been fixed and the plane should warned of

warned of unpredictable consequences

if joint naval exercises between the

US and South Korea proceed today.

US insists the naval war games were US and South Korea proceed today. The

planned before

planned before North Korea's attack

on the South last week, but says

should also act as a deterrent to on the South last week, but says they should also act as a deterrent to Kim

Jong Il's regime. And Australia's in

a commanding position on day

a commanding position on day four of

the opening Ashes cricket test. The

centuries yesterday from Mike Hussey tourists trail by 202 runs thanks to tourists trail by 202 runs thanks

and Brad Haddin. Stay with us - it's

time for Insiders, with Barrie

Cassidy. Live. This Program Is Captioned

Good morning. Welcome to

'Insiders'. As we go to air

this morning it seems the 11-year-old Labor Government in

Victoria is in deep trouble. The outcome sun certain because more than 700,000 Victorians

voted early, their votes won't be counted until tomorrow. The

most likely outcome is the

narrowest of victories for Ted Baillieu and Premier John Brumby, just to

force a draw a hung Parliament,

Labor must stay in front in six

seats where they now lead, ever

so narrowly, and they must come from behind in one other seat

where they trail the Liberals.

Even then, at 44 of a all and

no Independents, it's hard to

see how Labor can make a case

to go on governing. At this

stage we simply don't have a

clear result. We have something

like 550,000 pre-poll votes

still to be counted. As a consequence, I not know the result of this

meantime, election for some days.. in the

meantime, the caretaker conventions continue to

apply. And my government will

serve as Victoria's caretaker

government until a result is

been Sent a loud and a clear declared. I know that we've

message today from the people across our great state. I've

heard that message. Our

government has heard that message. As you know, the final

election outcome may still be uncertain. No, it's not!

LAUGHTER

It may still be uncertain. What is clear is that there

has been a huge swing against

the Labor Government.

CHEERING

Into the final outcome will, indeed, depend on counting over

the next few days. But I can

assure you, we stand ready to govern.

CHEERING The Labor Party acknowledges we have won 44

seats, that would mean

therefore they can not form

government. The result

therefore is, I think an

unlikely result that we have a hung Parliament, the more

problemable result is we will

win one or more seats already (we're joined by already (we're joined by the

ABC's State political reporter

in Victoria, Josie Taylor, good

morning. Give us a sense of the

state of play as the night

ended. Good morning, Barrie. ended. Good

The night ended last night with

a real sense of disaster in the

Labor camp. A sense of elation

in the Liberal camp a sense of confusion for everyone else

with yet again the possibility

of a hung Parliament. There was

a swing of at least 6% away

from Labor. The two-party preferred vote, said, the Coalition taking 12 seats from Labor and having to

take one more to form

government. There was an

Independent here in the lower

House in Victoria, he has now

gone. There was a real hype

around the possibility of the

Greens entering the lower House

despite all that hype that

didn't happen. There are

hundreds of thousands of votes

yet to be count ed with more

than a quarter - about a

quarter of Victorians voting

early. They won't start to be counted

result any time soon. Yet,

despite the huge swing and the

as you've outlined, there was perilous state Labor is now in,

bravado about John Brumby an extraordinary sort of

others last night. That's

right. In fact, one Labor

insider told me that there was

a sense of arrogance around the

Brumby government not conceding

defeat given that at this stage

the best outcome for them is a

hung Parliament, the hung Parliament, the wrorst

outcome a Coalition win. At

this particular Labor insider told me that

is a sense they are heading for

a defeat, despite the tough

talking from John Brumby, he tells me that Bentley and Mordialloc are lost, that Labor

has lost those seats answer

that the most inevitable

outcome is 45 to the Coalition,

Labor 43. If that is the case

then what went wrong? I think

time was the factor in this

election campaign. The Brumby

government is 11 years old, the

Labor Government is 11 years

old, the best line out of the election campaign was Ted

Baillieu saying Victorians being asked to give Labor 15

years that. May have really

resonated. In terms of the

Labor's reputation, there was

not really a smell around Labor but perhaps a sense but perhaps a sense of

staleness, I don't think Labor

expect this had result. I think

that is a real shock. They pinned

pinned their campaign around

John Brumby. This is a man who

wasn't elected as Premier. He replaced a very popular

Premier, Steve Bracks. So

perhaps despite their efforts

to soften his image, enlist

family into the him to talk about his personal life, loosen the tie, take off the jacket, that may not have

resonated with the electorate.

He is a man people might not

have connected have connected with. Ted Baillieu on the other hand ran

a very bland campaign t wasn't

as slick as Labor's but it

focused on Labor's service

failures which may have struck a chord with Victorians,

Labor's campaign stuck the

boots into Ted Baillieu, boots into Ted Baillieu, the man, attacked him personally. That may have been a tactical error. At this stage no clear result, hopefully we'll know in the next few days. Thank you

for, that Josie Taylor. Our

program guest this morning to look months of a hung Parliament at

the federal level is the the federal level is the Government's Leader in the House Anthony Albanese. First for more on the Victorian election we'll bring in the

panel now and see what the

Sunday papers are saying. We'll

focus on the Melbourne papers. It's all on the election.

Recapping first of all on the

situation. Labor needs to stay

in front in six seats where they lead and they lead just -

18 votes in underways, is the

lead, 1110 votes in another

case, then they need to get in

front in a seat where they now trail, that is Bentley, they

trail by 600 votes. All that

just to draw, George. Just to draw, means which means they can't form government because after the appointment of a

speaker, they've only got 43

votes on the floor. The best

thing John Brumby can hope for

is another election some time

early in January or February. I think he's not concession

speech last night beginning of a campaign pitch

for a second chance. I think

the tactical errorlist night

was not to admit the electorate

had not only given them a

kicking but had kicked them out of office because they can't

form government on the form government on the number last night . He did last night . He did say, Andrew, that we hear, we get

the mess avenght He did say

that but he didn't say what the

message was. He started his campaign speech for the next election, which was essentially

a rerun of all he's said

before. I know it's very hard to suddenly proprocess a whole new agenda on the election night for the next election to

be call fundamental there's a

draw but the thing is I think

John Brumby has lost. Even a draw means draw means he's lost. If

there's a draw and they go to

another election, his

authority's gone. What's authority's gone. What's he

going to do now? I just think

it's all over. The only issue

is whether we're going to get there to

there to a Coalition government

with a new election in

between. Tied result in this

circumstance isn't as grip ing as as the tied result on the frl

election. It's a game without

punch when you don't have

Independents to negotiate with.

Short of any disaffected

backbencher from either side agreeing to

and be a speaker which seems completely

completely unlikely, then -.

You raise a very good point

about there being no

Independents. I think that's

one of the few take-outs for

the Federal thing, that what

this election did was wipe out all Independents, didn't give a

seat to the Greens, it's really

coalesced between the two major parties plus nationals. It's amazing too see

a swing go so Kleinly from a

government to the Coalition

- People looked at Canberra I think. This is what Craig

Ingram told me Ingram told me last week, the

one Independent left who lost

his seat, Gippsland back to the

Nationals, he said people

looked at Canberra, at the

shenanigan there is with the Independents and Independents and didn't want

it. What's the message? Brumby

said we've heard the message,

the message is clear up to a

point, "We're kinds of over you

and we want you to blurg..."

It's becoming a bit of pattern. We could probably pick any number of service delivery issue that

issue that is would've kick this had government. Just

public transport - public transport - on that

question of service deliveries, Gavin Jennings one of the

Brumby government Ministers went to that point last night. There's cumulative

baggage that any government

assumes in keeping up with community's expectations, given

the infrastructure and service

delivery people want. When you

consider our public transport

system has 4 million passenger

as year, twice what it

decade ago, there are real stresses and strains that come

on the delivery and the timeliness of that delivery.

It's not easy. No. But there

are so many authors of this

defeat in a sense defeat, that

is service delivery, waste was

a huge one. Also tiredness of

course, another factor George,

that I think - this election

was held in the wettest

in 35 years. It rained even on

election day. The turn-out was

low. But it wasn't just the turn-out was

turn-out was low, as Gavin Jennings told me Jennings told me later after

that interview what, happened

too was focused people's

attention on one symbol of this

waste, which was the desalination plant. That now

looks like costs us a million

dollars a day to run even if we

don't need the water because

the rains have lifted. That

alone, I wonder whether this is the first election decided by

the weather. It does seem the State level the brands

aren't as impornts as they are

at the Federal level. It just

takes a single issue to annoy

somebody, where weather it be

violence or transport. It makes the difference. One issue that

really matters to be is. The

Labor Party had been - people

have been telling them for a

couple of now public transport

is a big issue, their comeback

is only 7% of voters use public

transport in Victoria, which

was cutting and dicing it via

the data due triand work out

whether you can avoid this argument. Anyone who a train or tram in Victoria

knows the last few years the

thing's gone nuts. Standing

room only. Victoria hasn't been able to get right the best-run

state in the country, one of

the reasons for the denial in

the Brumby camp at the moment,

population growth over the odds

for the last few budgetses but

they haven't been able to

provide any backup for it.

People are coming in but they

don't know to what to do with

it. You're right that they have been coasting we're the competent managers

right, and we've had this

growth. But when you pass it

back the growth is largely flue

through population growth. When you look at

growth in - income per head of population, we're nearly down

to basket case levels of New

South Wales. With we're the

second worse in the country.

People have looked at the

growth but not felt it themselves that they're

benefitting. That's added to

that sourness. The Liberals put

the Green last.

was a brilliant tactical move.

A move on principle, but I

think won the respect of the

party and a lot of those outer suburbs. It was hours after the Liberal Party

finally announced that decision, there was all this

chat about, what does that mean? It's a beady-eyed

Knight's jump move. Maybe

sometimes the cigar is just a

cigar in these circumstances,

you know. It's a decision made

because it was an obvious and appropriate decision for that party to make. This is the

funny thing I think the major

parties miss, sometimes with

the Greens they get spooked

about they're this sort of

encroaching threat to us. The

attraction for the is that vote Roosters so

annoyed with each side of

politics because of the lack of conviction on display that they

plump for a party that maybe doesn't necessarily represent

all of their interests but at

least stands for something. And

maybe sometimes the simplest

way to get around that is to

show some conviction if you have a look at where the

polls were two weeks ago even,

and where they are now, most of

the movement has happened in

then that two weeks, again it's

a mistake always to focus on

one element that's caused that.

I don't think there's any doubt that one of the biggest

movements was this decision for

the Liberals to put the Greens

last. It maight made them look

more a party of conviction which is particularly important

for Ted Baillieu who has lacked

that idea of conviction and

wedge Labor, which is spent the

shouldn't have a deal with the Greens they're awful Greens they're awful then what's the one party left

that's doing a deal with the

Green as soon as Maybe it was

good strategy after good strategy after all! This

strategy will be noted by every

Liberal State party around the

country, I think it will be replicated. Labor will also

respond. This could be the

retreat from Moscow for the

Greens, they went into this

thinking they could pick up

four seats, maybe 19% of the

vote. They got noin none. Do we accept Greens' vote and perhaps this

is one piece of good news for Julia Gillard and the - is that

the Greens vote has peaked? To

the extnts the Greens vote is

08% Lane and 20% coalition. I think we've all forgotten

rather quickly that at the last

Federal election only a couple

of months ago the swing to Labor in two-party preferred

terms in Victoria was at the

exence of Coalition vote thars went to Greens then Labor on

preferences. Labor's primary

vote didn't pick up at the

Federal election, the clgsist

Coalition primary vote fell. The survival instinct for the

Liberal Party here was for to

not let the Green do the same

thing to them at the State election that happened to election that happened to them at the Federal election.

They've worked this out, just. At the government for it. Next is New

South Wales and Queensland.

State elections. The chances

are Labor will lose both of those. Which means by the end

of next year Julia Gillard will not only not only be dealing with a hung Parliament at the Federal

election but a majority of Coalition Premiers including

the whole of the eastern

States, look at the front page

of the 'Telegraph' in Sydney

today. The party President,

Bernie Reardon is saying that

he has confirmed his own Unions

are open to supporting

Coalition candidates which is

not a good look. In not a good look. In yesterday's Courier-Mail - Coalition in

front of Labor 60-40. Annabel, troubles ahead. Yeah,

sure. That's an extraordinary

story about Bernie Reardon. I

think it probably gives you an

idea of just how the New South Wales Labor Government's

chances are viewed even by

quite senior members of the establishment. Last night I

think - I noticed on twitter

last night Christina Kenneally

was at a sporting game and

the scores. I suspect that that

would've been happier

experience for her than

watching what was happening in

Victoria, because if this Government can go Government can go down then

there's not much left of the

New South Wales government

after the next election. - a

remarkable rejuf nation of the

Liberal brand, two years ago

the most senior Liberal in the

country was the Lord Mayor of

Brisbane. The Liberals did not

hold government nationally, in

any Federal - any State or Territory, they were - the end was predicted a brand. Now we're seeing I

think within a year or a bit

more, we will probably have, if

the polls hold right, majority

- Liberal government notice

foremost popular State, there's

an outside chance I think the Liberals would consider

themselves a good chance in a

new Federal election too. It's

been remarkable. Is there an upside to, that George, upside to, that George, on

this, that if - the cheques and

balances thin. It didn't work

for the clls when they talked

about an all red country when

Premiers, but what do you

think, would that - can that

work for Julia Gillard at the

next election? Let's wind it

back to 1996. The first term of the Howard Government the Howard Government between

1996 and 98 there were six

State and Territory elections

contested, conservatives won

five of the six of them. First

term of the Federal Labor

Government Labor won five out

of the six. What happened after

98 was Labor went on a hot

streak that we were talking about all the way through,

they'd won another one, another one. There were victories in Vicia, New South Wales, South Australia and

Queensland. John Howard kept

winning Federal elections,

notwithstanding some very very

strong Labor wins at the strong Labor wins at the state

level. The debate in those days was whether the Liberal brand

had been destroyed because Labor was rising in the

States. The difficulty for

Julia Gillard now is that so

much of her agenda and what was

done over the course of the

Rudd Government depend on this

sort of COAG process of

subscription from State

Government, so not heal

agreement which I think that is kick nod pretty interesting territory, bail i - Baillieu

Victorian Government. Let's

faigs it it's to Vic a -

Victoria that Federal Labor has

looked to for being chopped up

on these sorts of Federal

agreements with the expectation

of water, but water's ongoing.

Then you have the national

curriculum. All of these

program that is the States kind

of need to sign up to, I think

are gonna be - Sorry, we

saying is policy just got a

whole lot harder and

particularly health policy.

Anthony Albanese in a moment.

To take us there here's a sense the last the last - almost the last week

of the Federal Parliament. And

how the debate over the National Broadband Network took

centre stage.

This is the last week of

Parliament. Hooray! In front of

the Senate at the moment is an

the Senate at the moment is an incredibleably important piece of lenls. - legislation. It

effectively gives the

Parliament the last imaginer off

off tount to ensure we're on

the right track. The NBN is an important way important way of driving

economic prosperity. We wherer

calling on the opposition to

support this bill.

Why would anyone trust this government not to

government not to make a complete and utter shambolic mess of the National Broadband

Network? The Government is all announcement and no

delivery. Just a wee bit of

argument in there, Mr Speaker. They are so short sighted, so bitter. Get out of

the way. There's no points

Opposition's supporting bad policy just because the Government keeps on the other

handing that we get out of handing that we get out of the way.

# Get out of my way

# Get out of my way # The

people of Australia want more

than that from an opposition. There critical decision for the

leader of the opposition to

make, whether he will agree

with that profound

microeconomic reform or once again again play the role of wrecker. I'm not a wrecker but I'm also not a sucker. Let's

turn it upside down. Let's hold

it up to the light. Let's ask a

million questions, does it add up? Is it affordable? The

Member for Wentworth now has 10

million reasons to support the

NBN as well. 10 million reasons. Order. He has been

given his instructions to come into this house and demolish it, but he is still happy to make a quid out of it. Most

politicians get their money where their mouth is. The money's heading towards

the NBN. Order. We simply ask

the Member for Wentworth to put

his mouth where his money

is. He is the Gerry mag is. He is the Gerry mag cier of the - Maguire of the

opposition. The disgraceful suggestion

that I should - Order - act

corruptly and dishonest ically

by and I quite, putting miss

hes mouth where his hes mouth where his money is speaks volumes about the

standards of those who have

made that disgraceful suggestion. Hear hear! I've

just been checking, Mr Speaker,

it it is the new paradigm of peace, light and

sweetness. They have ripped up

my whole nature strip. It's

this ed a vo Cassy in this

place that

don't over the nation now, that

we freeze it in time, that we

pickle it. No, no, order. Prime

Minister, have you read the NBN

business plan? And inf so, why

can't everyone else? The

Government will release the business plan in December.

We need to know much more before we can pass such a

significant piece of

legislation. Why have the Green

and Independent members of Parliament been asked to sign confidentiality agreements

of... The change of... The change by the

hour? No-one in this place

should be voting blind. 7

years, then 3 years, now two

weeks. I think we risk

elevating commercial in-confidence concerns above

the status of national security

concerns. It's not as though

we're getting briefed about

al-Qaeda. I think we've crossed

a rather Shortly, we will be releasing a 50-page document that

summarises the NBN Co

business case. This is bed-time

reading for monsters. It is

just so pathetic. I think this

is a win for transparency. I am

satisfied, absolutely satisfied

that this project is

financially sound. Parliament

will no longer be standing in the

the way to the passage of this legislation through the Parliament. And nor should they. I don't think

got to this stage if it wasn't

for the PM's intervention. This

is going to be an historic day

for Australia This ends in

victory for those who believe in the National Broadband

Network and in defeat for the

Leader of the opposition and

his negativity. To quote the

barred, all's well that neateds well - to quote the Bard, all's

well that ends well. We're join Ied about Anthony Albanese. Good morning. Morning, Barrie. Going Barrie. Going back to the

Victorian election momentarily,

do you get the sense the state dominoes are starting ta foul? We'll take - - are starting to fall? No, we'll

take them on , based upon the

state issues themselves. We've heard from time to time, the

idea that either the Liberal

Party's on the way or the Labor Party's on the way out forever. The major parties

are resilient. The Vic ian

election is too tight to call.

We'll wait and see what happens

with counting over coming

days. If the Government was to

fall in Victoria it would make

policy a whole lot harder to

achieve, particularly in the

health area? I think we're

government that has to

negotiate with people outside

the Labor Party in both Houses

to get our legislation through. We obviously will take

each State Government as the

respective electors deliver to

us. And negotiate with them. We'll wait and see what happens

in Victoria. I've been around a

while. Looks like it's a bit

early to call to me. I wants to show you something that Kevin

Rudd the Foreign Minister said

on Channel Nine earlier this

morning, he was asked about the

Paul Howe, the Union leader and

the constant criticism of him

by Paul Hows. We're always better shape when the troops

are singing from the same hymn

sheet. I think it's very

important that people bear that very basic principle of

politics in mind. I think

probably time that a few folks

like this stop behaving like

factional leaders and factional

thug and just kind of grew up.

Thres that's nothing to do with

me it's just about the general

impact which that sort of

rolling commentary has on the

business of distracting us from our agenda. As Paul Hows a thug and is

that good advice? I think all

of us in the House aren't

focused on Paul Hows, we're

focused on aur future agenda.

It's better if everyone, as

Kevin Rudd has said, is singing

from the same song sheet. And I

think that in terms of any

issues which have been there, certainly they're not a

distraction to the Gillard Government. You can understand

why Kevin Rudd said what he did

this morning? Look, I'm not

going to get into any of that

debate. It's of no concern to me. What's of concern to me is

the Government's agenda

mainging sure that we give good

Government for to Australia. I

want to talk now about the five

sitting weeks, that the hung

Parliament and the experience

of all of that. Before bebefore we we do, let's get report card from Tony Abbott and yourself. Lest I be accused Mr

Deputy Speaker of not giving

credit where it's due, let's

look look at the successes, there's

a web site. And there's been a

modest extension of welfare

quarantining in one Territory

of this country. I think there

are 11 extra hospital beds in

New South Wales, if we think

they were indecisive with a

majority they are now absolutely incoherent without a

majority. The Government has

pass ed some 51 pieces of legislation. The communications amendment, Social Security amendment,

Civilian Core, offshore petroleum and greenhouse gas,

superannuation, native title

amendments, indeed, this is a Parliament that

Parliament that is functioning and passing and passing our lenls. Minister! lenls. Minister! Passing our legislation. 51 bills got

through but you had to make a lot

lot of compromises on the

way. We're up to 54 now,

Barrie. We got another three through through after Question Time on

Thursday. We've got big reforms through. The National Broadband

Network legislation, or the related legislation for the structural separation of Telstra is significant microeconomic reform. Talked

about for a long, long time,

everyone knows it should've happened particularly when

Telstra was privatised. We've done it. We've done it. We've

also got through health and

hospital reform, major

legislation, major legislation

on child care. We're able to

function effectively as a government, the fact that negotiations now occur sooner

than they used to, given that

in the previous term of course

we didn't have a majority in

our own right in the Senate, so

those negotiations took place

there. What we're show ing is

that we can effectively govern.

I think those legislation and the score

card's 54-nil, not a single

amendment, not supported by the Government, has been carry ed by the House of

so far this year. A score card

of 54-nil. It looks as if the

Independents are soft

touches. No, they're not. What

they recognise is that the

Government has a good agenda. I

mean, structural separation of

Telstra, to make sure that

you're able to have a wholesale

network through the

retail competition built on top

is of great significance. The

National Broadband Network will

transform the way we work and the way that we live. The Independents understand that.

In that's right heart of heart

there are some people on the

opposition bench who is

understand that as well, but

they're all on Tony Abbott's song sheet of oppose, song sheet of oppose, destroy, stop, which is what response is to every piece of

legislation that's brought before the Parliament. Why

didn't the House of Representatives members stay

back on Friday and deal with this legislation this legislation after 2

o'clock and save the country a

lot of money?. We mightn't have

been able to, Barrie. The real

question there is why did the

opposition filli buster and

waste time, not change any of

the outcome, through Thursday -

Thursday night, they stopped

for a dinner break, then they suspended Friday they came back, there was more procedural nonsense.

We couldn't have received it

because of the transmission

time from the Senate to House until after 5 Friday,

that would've meant it would've

been difficult to many members

to get back to their

electorates before Saturday so

that woofa been two extra days

in Canberra anyway. We made the

decision, given that the

Coalition was determined to that we would come back with

certainty on Monday to deal with this legislation. And

there's two other bills that will be dealt with on their

return from the Senate on

Monday as well. There are some

amendments to the NBN, the bill

that impacts on the NBN. D you

o fore see any difficulties with those? We'll with those? We'll be support

ing the legislation as it's

been amended for each of the

three bills, but the NBN being

the most

also a tax bill and there's an

airports bill as well in my portfolio who knows? Clearly

Tony Abbott and the Tony Abbott and the Opposition,

Tony Abbott wouldn't have been

there Friday anyway. He said he

had other appointment s. But it

will be up to them how long will be up to them how long the

sitting goes for, whether they

continue to oppose, but given

their whole sense of being

seems to be that they're only

against, it's highly possible

that we'll have some other

stunts tried by the stunts tried by the Coalition

on Monday, we'll wait and see.?

Is the most a mere formality,

though? Well, the support is

very clear. It's very clear

that not just Labor, not just the country Independents who

said that they'd support the

NBN, but there's no stronger supporter in the Parliament

than Bob Katter who, of course,

said that he would not support us being in

government, but he gets how

important this is for regional

Australia and given that the

NBN is being rolled out right know - right now both to the

north and south of Mt Isa in his area of Queensland, it's

not surprising that he gets it.

What is surprising is that Tony

Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull

still continue this destructive

tactic. Penny Wong yesterday

came out in support of gay

marriages, so do the South Party, so has the Northern Territory branch of the Labor

Party. Is there inevitability

about where this is headed

leading up to the Federal

conference? We'll have the debate within the Barrie. We've had, over a

period of time, reforms granted

to give greater equality to give greater equality to

same sex couples. We had

debates at the last conference

where we changed some of the policy. At policy. At the conference beforehand we changed the

policy gene to remove - to remove discrimination from

pieces of legislation. We have

carried, in our first term of

office, some 85 pieces legislation, more change giving

equality to same sex couples

than were put in the previous 1

o 07 - previous 107 years

since Federation, we'll see how

the debate comes at the

National conference. Serge when

- as a person who first

introduced a private members bill into the House to give

equality to same sex couples on superannuation, when I did that

it was seen to be something

unusual and something a bit radical. No-one today that

passed the Parliament with

no-one opposing it, just went straight through during our last term of office. So times

do change and we'll wait and

see what happens at the conference. Why haven't you

already declared a conscious

vote for Federal members?

Surely this is appropriate in

have a policy and a platform,

Barrie. I support the processes

of the party. The party has a

clear policy adoped at

conference, I moved the policy

at the last conference. It

requires a conference

collective decision in order to

change that policy framework. Finally, has your party President in New South

Wales Bernie Reardon has Wales Bernie Reardon has he betrayed the party as the

'Telegraph' suggests in its front page

that probably says more about

Bernie than it does about the

party. He can speak for

himself. My view that Christina

Keneally is doing a extraordinary job under difficult difficult circumstances. Every

poll indicates that she faces

an extraordinary uphill battle

but she gets up every day, she

goes out there, she advocates

for her position. I think that

her performance is worthy of

support of each and every Labor

Party member. But the support of the President t

seems. Well, I'll leave Bernie to speak for himself. Thanks

for your time this morning. Appreciate T Thanks, barie.

# Celebrate

# If we took a holiday # It's been an eventfulie.

As the Parliament ends, the

Ashes start. So the summer

season is upon us. Have a happy Christmas. You The dams are full. Who would've predicted a year ago

that a year later we would be

in a hung Parliament. We have a new Prime Minister, a new

paradigm.. who can forget those

17 days, 17 minutes where we

didn't quite know what the

outcome was going to be. A tumultuous year.

The Prime Minister has been a

ferocious competitor this

year. To the Opposition leader and his

he takes a long, long holiday. 12 months would be perfect.

What a talented diverse group

of individuals we have seen

elected to this place. The

speaker is more like the ring

master of a circus. The Member

for Gippsland is warned. The

Member for Cook. With the

performness monkeys being on

the government side of the

House. Civil digs pute willing the Government to

succeed and to flourish,

as I doubt its capacity to do

so. To you, Mr Speaker, I

suspect during your days of

holiday you're not going to

miss us very much. There's no

point of order, Mr

Speaker. Oorted. Order. Order!

order. The House will come to

order.

I have a very good

relationship, the speaker and

I. The Minister for Sturt will resume resume his seat! That spark,

that sizzle that keeps us all

on edge. He had been warned, I

could've named him. My wife

sometimes says I miss the social signals social signals because my skin

has become quite so thick after

18 years in politics. Maybe a

good point. I'd like to thank

the cleaners. Could I today

give a special mention to the gardeners. Especially the one cleaning my room about 7

o'clock the other morning after

you good people came round for

a party and didn't leave. I wish everybody wish everybody a great deal of

happiness. My thanks to Tim, to

my mother and father, my

sister, niece and nephew. May god bless us all. Order! Order!

Order!! I suspect that in 2011

we will certainly need his help. Hear hear!

Have you ever been to one of

Barnaby Joyce's parties? Didn't

stay quite o that experience of a hung Parliament. We'll hear from

Tony Windsor to get a sense of

what the Independents think,

basically they're saying the Government's still got a bit Government's still got a bit to learn. I think

on that at the moment. There

was a bit of a sort of

wrestling match with the National Broadband Network and

the information path ways. I

think the Government has to

relax a bit in terms of still thinking it has total control of some of these It doesn't. I think the

relationship between - the discussions between the Prime Minister and Nick Xenophon for

instance highlighted an issue that that the Government wants to have a look at and maybe the Prime

Prime Minister needs to talk to

a few ministers about. Annabel

t sounds as if Julia Gillard's

doing OK, the Ministers have

got a bit to learn. Sounds like

Tony Windsor's been to a few

briefing sessions, you can tell

because he used the term

'Information path ways' just then. The fascinating thing about this new Parliament,

having watched a couple months of it, is that you just

have to watch it all the time.

You don't know what's gonna

happen in advance, sometimes

you have to turn up and see

where the people sit in where the people sit in the chamber. It's constantly in a

state of flux. You know that

the Prime Minister is having

meetings really regularly with

all of these people, and

there's a bit of grousing from some Labor people that

sometimes the Independents know

what's gonna happen, what the

legislative program is before

they do, and that's part and

think it's kind of been quite a

positive experience for voters, if you're interested in

watching a Parliament deal with issues rather than just chop

through them. That's a

plus. Andrew, you argued before

the experiences in Canberra are sort

sort - have turned people off

Independents in Victoria but I

would've thought this kinds of

- almost the US-style of negotiate ing e directly having

to negotiate with a disparate group of people in the middle

is not such a bad thing and in

way the Independents

the week on that - on pathway

that Tony Windsor referred to. Finally the gag was lifted. I'm

he not sure the Independents

have on the whole made the - their route their route look very attract ive in the sense you think

about the 17 minutes it took

Rob Oakeshott to announce his

decision. Also, you say it's

good for democracy. I'm not sure it's result where a Government that represents whatever it is

proportion of the population,

is adjusting its agenda to suit

a guy that's voted minority in primary votes. It's not just one

person. Sometimes it's about a Government explaining itself. I think that's the value of

it. That's right. - sometimes

you see issues discussed on the

floor of Parliament that would never have made it there under the old the old system. Let's not forget why the electorate tried

to smash the machine because

the two party system did get

you rather predictable debates. The Government would is what we believe, the

opposition would disagree.

Someone on the electorate level

knocks on the door and says,

can you deal with this problem?

And the local member can't And the local member can't even

tell them what tell them what legislation just

got through the other day. Now

the - having to deal with -

it's quite a grouping, couple of regional

Independents from New South Wales, a metropolitan Green, a metropolitan Independent from

Melbourne and metropolitan

Independent from Hobart, Independent from Hobart, that's

a as broad a cross section

balance of power than you could

ever get. If ther If they're

doing such a wonderful job, why

would they be so scared of

going to an election, do you

think? I would think a number

would struggle to hold their

seat if an election was seat if an election was called.

I don't actually agree that what something that makes them

think, wow, this is the

think, wow, this is the future. Andrew, Parliament's in the business of

problem-solving. We had a

number of elections in the number of elections in the 70s,

int didn't get us any where. We

had one every other year, there was not much achievement

between the calendar years

between 74 and '83. Let's hear

from Stephen Conroy. I raised

the matter before thisby this

gag in place t was a real

mess. I think there were some very eager officials the departments that were very

keen to ensure that we had maximum confidentiality. Once

we were able to see what was

being put forward we agreed

with the proposition

were a little over-eager in

terms. Time that they were

seeking when the majority of

this information would be

available within a few weeks'

time in December as Julia

Gillard made clear over a week

ago. Andrew, just before you

respond, I might show you the - (laughter) - the rather

striking front page of the 'Financial Review' mag zeen, it might fit what you're about to

say. I think Steve say. I think Steve Conroy there, put the lie to the idea

that the Greens and

Independents are running the

Government. We now know they're

not. It's the bureaucrats

running the Government. What a

joke that something as

important as this in terms of negotiating with negotiating with the

Independents is left to some

bureaucrat to impose a 7-year -

who's running the joint? What I find amazing is that people

sign that 7-year agreement. And they included the claims to be really in favour

of transparency and openness. I

think they wish they hadn't

now I'm pleased to hear this's anyone left in the Federal

bureaucracy that's still eager. That was That was a terrible

moment. There's this whole NBN

thing over the last two weeks,

it's resulted in a win for the

Government, but it's been messy

to watch. That kind of -

great line on twitter where he

said "Ied a he love to buy a house Stephen convoy, 7 million, no 3 million, OK, have

it for 20 bucks". I was amused

then to hear Anthony Albanese

describe that legislation that

went through the Senate as went through the Senate as the

NBN legislation given over the

last couple of weeks Conroy was

just - there's no connection

between this... Central to the whole thing was Nick Xenophon,

the senator from South Australia

got in - with a quota. Not an accidental senator, there guy. He was right at the centre of

this. He is having a party in July July apparently. He is calling

it the loss of balance of power

party at a Greek restaurant in Canberra. As he pledges here,

he will be around after July. I can still be a pesk y

persistent bastard. He is an

expert from going back quite a Australian government being the

last guy in the boat. In fact,

when he leapt aboard mid-day

Wednesday, I kind of couldn't

quite - I thought this quite - I thought this is too

easy. Normally it goes until

midnight Thursday, but - It was

too easy, Annabel. He kind of - he came across in the end for

the release of a document that

it was kind of impossible to

understand why the Government

had been sitting on, there sort

of bowed lerised document about

the NBN turned out to be this 50-page account and cheaper than we and cheaper than we all thought

the NBN was going to be. That

was enough to convince him. I

thought he sold ought too

cheap. He should've asked for twice that many pages still to come don't you think? I think

there was a moment in the hung

Parliament when the member for

Gilmore, Joanna Gash got to her

feet in the NBN debate. I river

the Prime Minister to the comments of Natalie Osborne of Kiama in my electorate,

following the destruction of

her nature strip of the National Broadband Network installers installers and I quote.

(Protesting from the Government) Just listen to

it. Speaker: Order. Order! They

have ripped up my whole nature

strip. It's a massive amounts

of work. People have no idea

how much destrictionsl it's going to be. I'd say to the Liberal

Liberal it's advocacy in this

place is it that we put a don't

over the nation, that we freeze

it in time, that we pickle it,

that we keep it in its current norm -

don't like cable. Do they want

us to take all the electricity

wires down? Apparently they

don't like wiring. Do they want

all the telephone wires gone?

Apparently they don't like

progress. Which part of time

would they like us to go back

to? 1960? 1930? 1910? Which age

would they pick a as the party

of the past. Orders! This does

not befit a political party

that calls

Party. Seems to me that allowed

Julia Gillard to put on her strongest performance since

being leaked. It did. I think

there is a beautiful resolution in the new paradigm for Joanna

Gash's nature strip problem -

that is take the gardeners for

the whipper snipper from

outside Joe Hockey's window and

send them to the seat of

Gilmore. Ear jously, though,

I'm not sure what the local constituents would think of a

network of mobile towers, point is

going to annoy people. But that answer I think did give Jordan opportunity to really kind of opportunity to really kind of - give Julia Gillard an

opportunity to really - I think

it was a mistake. The tone of

voice of Julia Gillard was

wrong. It's one thing to mock

Joanna Gash as an MP but she

was reading out a constit went's letter. She made that clear. I think that's the constituent and a lot of

other people who would see -

it's important, the digging up

- Stopping a project like the

NBN because it's going to be an untidy thing on the nature strip. That's ridiculous. It

symbolises for a lot of people

this idea that they're being

foisted a project on them that

they don't see the value of, that they don't want, that they

think might cost them too much

and by a Government that's not

listening. I just think it was

a very gad Bad

Canberra insiders thing to say

let's mook a big scheme. Out in

the bushes, you - burrbs... You're out in burrbs... You're out in the burrbies - burrbs. This happens

to be the first bit of

microreform for many years. It

happens to be a fact. Paul

Keating couldn't get it up, Bob

Hawke wouldn't let him do it.

Richard Alston would love to have done it

was too keen to get his hands

on the cash for the

privatisation of Telstra. Paul

Fletcher would love to have seen it happen when he seen it happen when he was running Optus. It finally happened. The problem I have

with the way the Labor

Government sold this is they

get hung up on some of the

Coalition talk ing points which

is prove this thing's gonna

make money. It isn't going make money. It isn't going to make money in the roll-out.

This is why the Government is investing in the infrastructure. Otherwise the

private sector would've delivered it years ago. The national sknegs question

with the Government is should

we have a National Broadband

Network, should we have fast

broadband or not? The reason I

think the Joanna Gash question is unfortunate and I think the Prime Minister's response to it

was effective, is because she continued that kind of

equation. The problem for the

Coalition is they need to turn

this debate around from - the Government's for broadband and

we're against it, which is

where the perception in the

suburbs is now, I think. And

try

competence. I don't think the

Gash - the sort of nature strip destruction thing helps them to

do that which is why I made the

comments I did. I'm not saying

stop the broadband because it

digs up someone's nature strip. It's

It's the tone of jeering

response from Gillard that I

think hits the - it's like in

Vicia, we saw one of the

biggest swings against the Victorian Government in the

seat of Seymour, they built,

the Government a pipeline to pump water from

Melbourne. You think - very significant program. Millions

of people will be affect of people will be affect ed

beneficially to that, yet the

huge swing was from people that

resented having a pipe across

their land. I think nationally

there's more people that want

good broadband than want clean

tidy nature strips, though. The

thing on the other argument

whether it's necessary, Hong

Kong has just unveiled a new

broadband scheme delivered by

satellite. I Thjust think as we go on - Teenie country. Every

technological development on

that front and there will be

more, you know, every six

months you'll hear another announcement like this, another

development because of some

technology that might be down

the track. That doesn't make

sense. That's the argument on

the other side, you need this

because of benefits we haven't

thought of yet. That's the

Government's argument. Hello. I

want to give you an

illustration of what we're

talking about earlier about the in the middle who are having

such a say these days, Adam

Bandt put up his bank's legislation and this is the

response he got from other cross-benchers. While

others have been long on talk

but short on action we were

first out of the blocks to

propose a bill that would take

real action on the banks. She

has to be pretty serious stuff

when Adam and I climb into the

same side of the fence

together. I think Adam bant's

bill is a good bill. I will

vote for it in its current

form. This is a very goods start. Adam

board. One thing is clear,

Labor and Liberal should

reflect on over summer f they want either of their packages to get through to get through they are going to need to talk to Katter and Crooke all giving

support to Adam bant. Just

shows the Nationals are clos

the socialists, who knew. That National Party constituency,

who knew? I love that bit where

Bob Katter says it's a funny

day when I climb into the same... Ah policy area... More from our panel shortly.

Now here's Mike Bowers and Talking Pictures. I'm Mike Bowers, Talking Pictures with cartoonist for 'The Australian'

Bill Leak, welcome back. Very

nice to be back. Nick Xenophon took

took the node less travelled.

He has climbed on the He has climbed on the broadband wagon. It seemed to me Julia

dusted off the old Xenophon and

played a nice tune on T I

didn't even realise she was musician. Alan Moir's beautifully picked up on the

NBN with, we have nothing to

hide. The triptych of jewel -

Julia, Stephen and Wayne. It's

a wonderful drawing. They're

doing a good job of discover of

covering it up. 'Cause covering it up. 'Cause no-one can see behind it. Mr Kudelka,

you have to keep it Street for 7 years, OK 3

weeks. Faster for all Australians! It's a

breakthrough. In very unflatteringly for Julia. A

rather unflattering pose he's

given her.

If he can get to every house

in the world and drop.a present

down the chimney he is probably

the man for the job. Bring us a

node. All I want for Christmas

is a node. Fibre optic cable, gets on with it. From the terrible

David Rowe. Really! Do we need to

to see Stephen Conroy bending

over? It upset me when I saw

that picture. I thought, oh no,

I was having quite a good day

up until that point. The old

Xenophon, "Too much". I love

Malcolm Turnbull's there

pulling the plug. He is pulling

the pin. The man who it all

hung on, the Xenophon. There he

is with all of his friend. The

new paradigm in seems to have degenerate ed into SOS, mate, 'Same old shit

rr' It looks like buddy

spare me a paradigm? And

someone said yes. he's gone

"Thank you, Jesus". People had

high expectations of the new

paradigm, they were clearly... They over-promoted

and the reviewses have come in

and they're all shocking. Poor

old Pete Garrett's almost shrunk and disappeared. He shrunk and disappeared. He is

starting to shRivel. He still

has about 6

before we lose him

completely. This would be his

finest hour, Malcolm. That's a

rather unfortunate moment. Gee some of those

cruel, aren't they. They're not

like cartoonists. They wait for

that awful moment and capture

it. They say "There, you can

live with that for the rest of

your life". You think the

constituents of all the

electorates will electorates will be talking about something other than

Christmas over the break. They'll be talking gay

marriage. Particularly in North

Queensland where I know that Bob Katter is very very keen to sit down with his constituents

and say "Listen, you blokes, I

really want to know what you all think about gay marriage".

You got Bob saying "I've

told to ask how you feel about

a new law that would..." We

don't think it goes far enough!

He's obviously got a very good relationship. Nothing wrong

with him. The dog's a girl. Clearly, otherwise she

wouldn't have the mascara and

blue eye shadow on. Or

Mark Knight, condoms and the

Pope. His holiness chucking

condoms with water bombs. No

church ban on contra church ban on contra ceptives, condoms save liefgs and the

- All he is doing is hurling them at them.

them at them. The Pope has

admitted there are some uses to

condoms. There obviously are

and he's cottoned on to it. period where no-one sticks

their head up unless you kick it. Except for Santa Claus. He

can't fight beak. Fight

back. No Brown moment

today. Great to see Bill Leak

in such good form. There in such good form. There are moments when the Leader of the Opposition and the Prime Minister need to get together