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Council of Foreign Relations in Charles Kupchan from the

Washington. Effortses to

scusht late rate of young

House of Representatives indigenous have failed. The

standing committee on

Aboriginal and Torres Strait

Islander affairs, has found the

figure is even moors than 20

years ago when the Royal

Commission into Aboriginal

deaths in custody report was published. Shane new man is

the share of the standing

committee gone Aboriginal and

Torres Strait Islander affairs.

He joins us from Canberra.

Good morning and thanks for

joining us. Good morning and

good morning to all your

listeners. Your committee has

labelled this situation a

national disgrace and a failure

of all governments. Why is it

still the case? There's

disnews disadvantage,

generational poverty. We have

a situation which in a 66%

increase in indigenous people

being incarcerated. If you're

an indigenous adult in this

country you're 15 times more

likely to be incarcerated than

a non-indigenous person. There

are organisations not talking

to organisations, there's too

much siloing, there's

recidivism. There's problems

in terms of mental health.

There's too much alcohol

consumption and drug abuse.

Surveying NSW, it found tested

positive for drug, 90% of

indigenous people in detention.

It is a national shame, it is a national tragedy and we have to

do fwhert this country. You

mentioned alcohol spectrum

disorder there. If indigenous

Australians are 15 times nor

likely to be incarcerated, why

are they 15 times more likely

to commit an offence? It

starts at the very beginning

where young people don't finish

school. There's not enough

support for indigenous communities, indigenous

families. There's not enough

diagnosing of faz D. It should

be a registered disability.

There's not enough funding there in relation to education

and health outcomes. If you

done complete school, if you've

got hearing difficulties, you

don't get a job, you don't find

the stake in the local

community, and, therefore,

you're more likely to commit a

criminal offence. We found in

our work around the country

that you found mums in gaol

with their daughters in gaol

and the grant mothers in gaol.

This is a really big problem.

One of the biggest problems we

also found was if you're an

indigenous woman you're 35

times more likely to be

hospitalised as a result of a

partner abuse than a

non-indigenous woman. It is

not a matter of black versus

white, many of the victims of

crime are of course indigenous

women and indigenous men. This is a national problem. We've

got to deal with it. We've

actually suggested there be

part of the close the gap

strategy that justice targets

be put in there. We've also

suggested with respect to the

safer communities building

block there be a national partnership agreement making

the States and Territories

undertake work in this regard

really come to the party is

particularly important.

National mentoring programs are

important. Dispossession and

disadvantage go hand in glove

and if you're culturally

disassociated from your

heritage, you're more likely to engage in criminal behaviour.

This is a really big

problem. Can I pull up on an observation you made there

about the idea of Commonwealth-state partnerships

there, particularly with the

projects you would like to take

place, mentoring and the like.

Given the ambition of closing

the gap the previous Howard

Government failed and that your government doesn't seem to be

managing to achieve either, is

there a suggestion there that

it is fallen too often to the

responsibility of the Commonwealth and that the states need to get more

involved in this as well?

Clearly, at the local community

level we have that going on.

Is it too much of a leap

between the Commonwealth and

the local community level without the States being

involved. I think there are

failures at all levels. I

think no-one is without sin, to

quote St Paul, in this regard.

We all have made mistakes at

every level and we have to do

much better. The need for

diversionary programs, wrap

around services, and diagnosis

early of people with substance

abuse problems, if you're

charged with criminal offence,

we would like to see a

caseworker assigned straight a

way. We would like to see a

wrap around service, family

conferencing, victim contact

meetings, we'd also like to see

testing, whether someone got a

hearing problem, a faz D

problem. We would like to see

a safer accommodation option.

Many people end up not being in

fail, sorry, being in gaol

because they can't get bail.

They haven't got accommodation. But you're

talking there about the

resources problem that has always Bean plagued this

sector. We've heard these

calls before. You mentioned

the caseworker and in fact there are many other parts of

disadvantage in Australia where there should be more

caseworkers directly a inn

zooed as well. We don't seem

as a nation to get our act together to actually secure

these people, put these people

in place and get them working

in the way they should. Do you

have an answer as to why that

is? We need a bipartisan

approach in this regard. I'm

pleased that the coalition have

agreed with us and this is a unanimous report. We've got

the political will, we're

prepared to put the resources

in and we can can work cooperatively in term of

indigenous engagement. That

will make a big difference.

One of the things that came

thoufts report which I was so pleased about is the role of

sport. We saw organisations,

for example midnight basketball

was a tremendous advantage and involvement in young people

getting them off the street,

involved in sporting

activities. We saw tribal

warriors doing a lot of work in

terms of indigenous identity

and pride. Organisations at

the grassroots level with doing

good work but there's so much

more we can do. I have a lot

of faith in ministers like

Jenny Macklin and Robert McLelland and the Prime

Minister Julia Gillard. I

think we're committed to

closing the gap. The report is

I a comprehensive report, 40 recommendations across the board, I think it will make a

difference. I'm hopeful

Government will take it

seriously. I believe it will.

I'm pleased with the coalition

have agreed with us in this

unicycle must report. It is

time for doing. Too many

people are doing time. Finally

this morning those 40

recommendations that you

mentioned and we trawled

through some of them during our

conversation, can that gap and

disadvantage closed and removed

if all 40 are implemented? Can

the government afford to pick

and choose? This is a complex

issue. We think it is important that the government take up many of these

recommendations. Everything

from involvement with police liaison officers through to the

ADF playing a role, greater

engagement with schools and

communities, indigenous local communities, everything from

celebration of indigenous

national days, Marhabot day,

Naidoc week et cetera. There

are lots of things we can do to

improve this situation. I hope

the government welcomes the

report. I anticipate it will.

Let's work together to end