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Tonight - the death of a gene youse, Steve Jobs hailed as a modern Edison.

He said look at the computer as a bicycle for the mind. You can get on it and go places that you
can't go with your own feet .

Now, his long battle with cancer is over.

Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have
something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.

This Program is Captioned Live.

Good evening and welcome to Lateline. I'm Tony Jones. As the co-founder of an July Steve jobs is
not a technological Wizard. His genius was his vision to take hi-tech devices and make them
accessible to ordinary people. He had an uncanny knack for design and marketing but he wasn't
universally loved. His management style verged on tyrannical and some argued has Apple's dominance
grew Steve Jobs lost track. Mike Daisey has been touring performing his one man show 'The Agony and
the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs' and what he discovered in the Chinese factories. She will join us live
from New York. A 14-year-old Australian boy has been arrested for possession of drugs in Bali. The
PM announces new measures to help the shrinking manufacturing sector.

Visionary Steve Jobs succumbs to cancer

Visionary Steve Jobs succumbs to cancer

Broadcast: 06/10/2011

Reporter: Karen Barlow

Apple co-founder and former CEO Steve Jobs has died from pancreatic cancer at age 56 and tributes
have been pouring in from colleagues and rivals.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: He was a prickly visionary who changed the world, urging consumers to think

Apple co-founder and former CEO, Steve Jobs, has succumbed to a long fight with pancreatic cancer.
He was 56.

In a rare showing for an industrialist, tributes have been pouring in from flowers at Apple stores
to accolades from his technology rivals.

Karen Barlow reports.

KAREN BARLOW, REPORTER: People read about the death of Steve Jobs on the devices he gave to the

The tech and marketing revolutionary died in California surrounded by his family.

MARK PESCE, FUTURIST AND TECHNOLOGY COMMENTATOR: There is no other person in the history of
computing that has had such a big impact on computing. If that doesn't justify a cult I'm not sure
what does.

KAREN BARLOW: Steve Jobs made products people build their lives around and he loved selling them.

STEVE JOBS: This is the best $50 you will ever spend. Phenomenal. It works like magic. We have
designed something wonderful for your hand.

VOX POP I: He created products that people really loved and it has affected how they live their

VOX POP II: They're pretty different. I think other people are constantly trying to catch up to
Apple. It's not like the other way around.

KAREN BARLOW: Apple broke the news of his passing. It said it has "lost a visionary and creative
genius and the world has lost an amazing human being."

MARK PESCE: He said a computer is a bicycle for the mind because you get on it and you can go
places that you can't go with your own feet. And really, I think that was his goal. He wanted to
bring these bicycles of the mind to everybody and in the end he did because we now all have really
smart, really well connected devices in our pockets that do provide us with those wheels.

KAREN BARLOW: Today's iPods, iPads and iMacs have their origins in a California garage in 1976.
There Steve Jobs and high school friend Steve Wozniak created their first computer and company,
leading to the mouse and the Macintosh.

(Extract from a 1984 advertisement)

ANNOUNCER, ADVERTISEMENT: On January 24 Apple computer will introduce Macintosh. And you'll see why
1984 won't be like 1984.

KAREN BARLOW: The next year Jobs was forced to leave the company he created. He resigned from Apple
after a power struggle and moved on to start a new computer company, NeXT, and redefined animation
at the studio Pixar.

STEVE JOBS: Sometimes life is going to hit you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I am
convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find
what you love and that is as true for work as it is for your lovers.

KAREN BARLOW: Apple stumbled without Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs stumbled without Apple. NeXT didn't
sell well, although Tim Berners Lee used the operating system to write the worldwide web.

In the late '90s Apple brought NeXT and Jobs returned to his original creation.

The technology developed at NeXT is at the heart of Apple's now signature portable slimline touch
screen devices.

STEVE JOBS: These are post-PC devices that need to be easier to use than a PC. They need to be even
more intuitive than a PC.

KAREN BARLOW: Steve Jobs was a perfectionist who demanded the best from people around him. His
efforts have turned Apple into the world's largest technology corporation but as his fortunes rose
his health failed. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in 2004.

Here in 2005 he'd thought he'd beaten it.

STEVE JOBS: If you haven't found it yet, keep looking and don't settle. As with all matters of the
heart you will know when you find it and like any great relationship it just gets better and better
as the years roll on. So keep looking.

KAREN BARLOW: Apple is locked in a legal battle with rival Samsung over alleged smartphone patent
infringements but even Samsung took time out to join the likes of Bill Gates and Barack Obama in
praising Steve Jobs today.

Apple's new chief executive Tim Cook launched a new iPhone yesterday to less than impressive
reviews. It turns out the company was holding fire while it had something more personal to deal

STEVE JOBS: Stay hungry, stay foolish. Thank you all very much.

KAREN BARLOW: Karen Barlow, Lateline.

Australian teenager arrested in Bali for marijuana

Australian teenager arrested in Bali for marijuana

Broadcast: 06/10/2011


A 14-year-old boy from the NSW central coast has been arrested in Bali for possession of Marijuana
and faces a possible six-year jail sentence.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: The Australian government says it aims to negotiate the early return of a
teenage boy from the NSW central coast who was arrested in Bali two days ago for possession of

The 14-year-old was holidaying with his parents when he was arrested in Kuta after allegedly
purchasing 6.9 grams of marijuana.

He's currently being held in the main police headquarters in the capital Denpasar.

Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd says the priority is to get him home.

KEVIN RUDD, FOREIGN MINISTER: I have just now spoken with our ambassador in Jakarta, Ambassador
Moriarty. I have indicated to him that his number one priority in the immediate period ahead is how
we support this young boy and his family and do everything we can to obtain his early return to

Think if you put yourself in the position of being a mum, or a dad with a 14-year-old who's got
themselves caught up in this sort of situation, your heart would go out to the parents.

My heart goes out to the parents and I'm sure many Australians feel exactly the same and we will do
all within our power to support them and to get this young fellow back home.

TONY JONES: If charged and convicted the boy faces a possible six year jail sentence.

Indonesia makes no comment on arrested teenager

Indonesia makes no comment on arrested teenager

Broadcast: 06/10/2011

Reporter: Tony Jones

ABC correspondent Helen Brown says Indonesian police have made no comment about the Australian boy
arrested in Bali and a diplomatic solution seems unlikely.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: And joining us from Jakarta with the latest is our ABC correspondent Helen

Now Helen this is a young boy, teenager. Are his parents with him at the moment, do you know that?

HELEN BROWN, ABC CORRESPONDENT: I'm not sure if they're with him exactly at this moment Tony.

He's been held in a jail at the main police station in Denpasar for two nights now. Not much is
known about his condition. Police haven't come out and made a comment.

He has been assigned a new lawyer who is, went into the police station not long ago and we
understand is still in there. And he said that the boy was stressed which is not surprising given
that he's being detained for two days in a Bali police station.

TONY JONES: Have his parents had access to him? I mean they may not be with him right now but have
they been able to see him?

HELEN BROWN: My understanding is they have but the level of that access I'm not sure about and the
kind of work that has gone on up until now we're not sure about either.

It is a little difficult getting information about where the case is at. The Australian Consulate
General in Bali is working closely with the family and our understanding is that they are the ones
who have in fact found this lawyer for them; someone who is a high profile lawyer who has worked
and defended an Australian previously in a drug case.

And I spoke to him briefly just before he went into the police station in Bali for the first time
and he said his priority would be to make sure that police were following the regulation that where
a minor is locked up, they have to be held in a special facility, in a facility designed for

From what we know, one of those facilities does not exist on the island of Bali and that he would
have to be moved to the main island of Java.

TONY JONES: You heard Kevin Rudd just a moment ago saying they're going to do everything they can
to bring this young fellow back home. What are the chances this could be resolved outside of the
judicial system?

HELEN BROWN: Well if you look at the procedure, I think you would have to say that you couldn't be
too optimistic. Under the law, the penalty will range, if he is charged and found guilty, from two
to six years.

Before that happens the police have the right to hold him for up to 30 days while they look at the
evidence and decide if there is a claim to be made. Then that claim would go to the prosecutor's
office and the prosecutor has the right then to detain someone for up to 25 days while they decide
if it goes to trial. And then if it goes to trial the court can hold them for longer.

Along that process there is apparently some discretion at each step for the person who is being
detained to be released but it is at the discretion of the different bodies at the time. We did
investigate if it was possible that some kind of settlement could be reached outside of that
system. Our advice at this stage is that that can sometimes happen but when there's a case with
allegations of possessing drugs involved, that may be a little more difficult.

TONY JONES: Okay Helen we'll have to leave you there. Obviously you will watch this very closely.
We'll speak to you soon. Thank you very much.

Jobs 'more showman than geek': Daisey

Jobs 'more showman than geek': Daisey

Broadcast: 06/10/2011

Reporter: Tony Jones

Mike Daisey is author of The Agony and Ecstacy of Steve Jobs and says the Apple co-founder was not
a classic geek but was intimately involved in everything Apple did.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Back to our top story, the death of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, and we're
joined from New York by writer and performer Mike Daisey who's been touring the world, including
Australia, performing his one man show The Agony and The Ecstasy of Steve Jobs.

Thanks for being there.

MIKE DAISEY: Thanks so much for having me.

TONY JONES: Let's start with the ecstasy of Steve Jobs. What do you think was his particular genius
and what do you think his legacy will be for that matter?

MIKE DAISEY, WRITER AND PERFORMER: I think it is heartbreaking today, I think we'll never actually
know how much we have lost.

Steve was devoted to work in a way that few people are. He easily could have led Apple for another
20 years and so just thinking about the scale of the things he did in his time since he returned to
Apple, through to the present day. When you think about what could have happened in 20 more years,
where he could have taken computing to, it is hard to swallow because there's really no one like
him in the tech industry.

There is no one else with that kind of vision, that kind of leadership.

The tech industry is actually an industry of followers and Steve has for a generation been the
leader of the entire computing movement.

TONY JONES: Did he really change the world as a lot of people are saying today?

MIKE DAISEY: Oh yes. When you use a computer, even if you don't use an Apple computer, when you
interact with that interface, when you use your phones, all these devices, he's responsible for
three fundamental shifts in the nature of computing.

He's directly responsible for the propagation of the personal computer in a form where it was
actually in people's homes, actually by them, where it shifted from being a mainframe.

He's responsible for the Macintosh which introduced the world to the graphical user interface and
introduced the mouse to everyone, and the idea of computing in a metaphor that today seems second
nature was extraordinary when we shifted from using computers that were like typewriters to
computers where you had windows and cursors.

And then he's responsible for the innovation of touch computing that you saw with the iPhone which
was introduced in 2007 and that completely disrupted the way people were computing before that as

No-one else in the computer, in the entire history of computing, is responsible for even one
metaphor shift and he's actually been responsible for three.

So there's no one like him.

TONY JONES: How much influence did he have on your own life? I know you used to be one of those
famous Apple fan boys queuing up outside the stores for every new device as it became available on
the market. What effect did he have on your life?

MIKE DAISEY: Oh a huge one. I think everything I really understand about industrial design I
learned working with and using his machines. I think one of the reasons people feel so strongly
about Steve Jobs today is that because he controlled his company so closely.

He was personally involved in every step of Apple's hardware and the software in a way that almost
no CEOs ever are because of that level of personal attention to detail.

People who used Apple products feel very legitimately that they have been engaged in a decade's
long conversation with Steve. In their day to day usage, when they use these devices they can see
the human side of his attempts working through and with Apple to make devices that work well.

And so for me, my entire life in computing has been defined by Steve Jobs in a very direct way.

TONY JONES: It is interesting, isn't it, because he wasn't himself a technological genius, he
employed technological geniuses.

In fact his original partner Steve Wozniak was the computer designer of the original Apple
Macintosh computers.

So what was it that made him so fundamentally important if he wasn't himself technologically as
fluent as these others?

MIKE DAISEY: He wasn't completely unversed. He just wasn't what you would classically call a geek
in tech speak. You know he was more like Barnum. He was a showman. He was an inventor entrepreneur.
He had the skill to take things that you didn't even know that you wanted and make you need them.
Not only through showmanship alone but because he understood how we use computers or how we could
use them and then he was constantly pushing forward the boundaries of what was possible.

And he did it with a tremendous amount of panache, a tremendous amount of drive in an industry that
is actually devoid of these things, an industry run by people who are honestly introverted and
honestly not good at taking the stage and understanding human impulses. Jobs was so good at that.

TONY JONES: Let's go back to the beginning because I've seen you quoted as saying that Jobs started
out as someone whose devices were forged out of piracy. What did you mean by that?

MIKE DAISEY: The very first thing that he and Steve Wozniak worked on together, the very first
project, was a pirate box. It was a box that lets you hack into the telephone company and steal
long distance calls.

They didn't just make one of them, they made hundreds of them and they sold them to everybody. I
mean there's actually a famous story about the fact they were testing this box and so Jobs told
Wozniak to use the box to place a call to the Vatican but spoofed the call so it looked like the
call was coming from the White House and so Wozniak does this and he says, "Hello, Vatican, this is
the White House, I have Henry Kissinger on the line for the Pope."

And the cardinal or whoever answers the phone at the Vatican in the middle of the night says, "He's
sleeping but please hold on, we will go and wake him" and Wozniak freaked out and hung up the

I mean these guys were pirates, they were rebels. They were doing things that no-one had ever
thought of before and that's how they created this movement. I mean very much was borne out of an
anarchic sense of 1960s sort of counter-cultural freedom.

TONY JONES: There is a great story about how he goes to Xerox which is the company on the cutting
edge at that point of technology, that's where he finds the very first mouse, the very first icons
on the screens and the click and drag facility and he walks out of this laboratory and goes back to
his guys at Apple and says, "These guys are doing this for tech heads, we need to do this for the
rest of the world. We need to make this for households", and that is where they get their start,
isn't it?

MIKE DAISEY: Yes, that has always been part of Apple's ethos. They haven't always been the first
people somewhere but they're the people who make an implementation that actual human beings might
want to use. That's been their genius the entire time and Steve was very, very good at that, seeing
the human story beneath the technological.

TONY JONES: So tell me this, from your perspective, how does Apple under Steve Jobs turn into what
you call now the most locked down computer company in the world?

MIKE DAISEY: It is hard. It is a story that affects a lot of us, I think. You know we get older and
we are often trapped by the circumstances, the strengths that we create ourselves. The story of our
lives are often are defined that way. We start out as rebels and pirates and then we go out to
change the world and when we're not looking we succeed and we change the world but the world
changes us too.

And I think Apple today is locked down in a way that almost no computing platform has been; the
iPhone, iPad. People can't touch the software in there; it is controlled by Apple very directly.
And part of that is out of the desire, Steve Jobs' desire to control everything.

But after a certain point that level of control starts to take away choice from the user and it is
a hard thing this continuum because you start you start out with the best of intentions but if
you're not careful, you can go from a place where you're creating something and shaping something
to taking away options from users and making computing fundamentally less free.

TONY JONES: It's interesting isn't it because your own love affair with Apple really ended I
suppose when you went to Shenzhen in China and you discovered how and where and who actually made
these gadgets these days. Of course years ago they were made in California but then it all shifted
to China. Tell us what you found.

MIKE DAISEY: Well I found the work conditions in southern China and in the special economic zone,
which have been there now for a decade and have been well documented by numerous sources but are
never talked about because we have divided ourselves off from how any of our devices are man

What I found were horrendous working conditions at Foxconn and the other subsidiaries that make
devices for Apple and all the other technology companies. I found children constructing
electronics. I found the electronics are made by hand under circumstances where people are working
on lines for 14, 15 and 16 hours a day until after months and years the joints in the fingers of
their hands disintegrate.

And simple humanitarian measures that could be taken to make this workplace safe for the people who
are working in it are not taken and it is because no-one in the ecosystem, not Foxconn, not the
companies at the end making the devices in China, not the companies like Apple and Dell and Nokia
that are requesting, that are using the companies to get the devices made.

No-one in that system is applying a human vision, the kind of human vision that Jobs originally
stood for and was always trying so hard to give to his users, he didn't apply to his own workers.
He didn't see them as being Apple employees but they made every device that Apple makes is farmed
out to the Chinese companies. Those people should have been Apple workers.

TONY JONES: Mike, how did you get into these factories in the first place because they are
themselves pretty much locked down? You can't get cameras in there. How did you manage to do it?

MIKE DAISEY: Well I went in on a tourist visa instead of applying for permission from the Chinese
government which I think limits a huge amount of our legitimate journalist access to China and one
of the reasons why we don't hear the stories and the way that they might resonate with us is it's
so difficult for journalists to get in and get these stories.

I posed as a businessman. I said I was looking for suppliers for companies back in America and I
went through a lot of steps along the way in finding people to help me. I managed to work with
people and get in and see the conditions on the ground and I had the luxury of spending weeks and
weeks doing this.

So I had the time to make connections with labour groups who are in China, who are under constant
threat of being imprisoned by the Chinese government, and work with the groups and talk to them and
learn from them.

And so the truth is that everything that we need to know about how our devices are made, how are
whole first world is supplied, is sitting in the open down there. We just don't have systems in
place to get the story out in a way where it reaches people in a human sense.

TONY JONES: Your monologue talks about suicide, it talks about child labour, robotic conditions.
You've talked about some of that already, Steve Wozniak the co-founder, the partner of Steve Jobs
actually came to see your monologue and I think you spoke to him afterwards. what did he say to

MIKE DAISEY: He wept. He told the New York times that he was changed. That he would never be the
same again and I admire his bravery, you know that he would say that in public because as someone
who works in technology, you know it's very possible to be blind to be things. In fact the dominant
paradigm is going to be that kind of blindness. You're going to see it in all the coverage of Steve
Jobs today and in the weeks to come because we don't want to look at how we actually make things.

But it's so important and you can embrace the genius of the design, understand that it is beautiful
and incredibly well made and still understand the circumstances under which they're made. In fact
it's vital, if you don't actually embrace both halves of that then we can't really begin to
understand the true cost of what we make. So I really admire him.

TONY JONES: Is it possible that Jobs himself was so single minded, so focused on these devices and
the genius contained within in them that he wasn't even looking at who was making them? That he
didn't know about these conditions?

MIKE DAISEY:I can't accept that. He was far too smart. He was one of the sharpest people, I met him
in 2002, one of the sharpest people I've ever met and I think everyone knows just how smart Steve

I think he made calculated decisions along the way. I think he made decisions about where his
priorities and he made judgement calls like we all make judgement calls in our lives. It's
difficult thing to be alive. It's a difficult thing to try to stay truthful to the ideals you have
in your youth.

We don't all succeed.

TONY JONES: Final question then, Apple without Steve Jobs will it stay on the top of this rapidly
changing technology market?

MIKE DAISEY: I'll tell you the truth. My fear is that it will stay on top because Apple is never
better when it is the underdog. Apple is never better than when it's scrambling its way up and
fighting and clawing to be relevant. That is when Apple has always been at its sharpest and its
best and when Apple has ever been dominant, when it's comfortable, the last time Steve left, when
he was thrown out of the company; it's not the same place. That rigour starts to fall apart, that
drive more than almost any other corporation in modern times.

Apple is a reflection of Steve Jobs. Without his animating spirit at the core of it, an era is
over. And while everyone in the marketplace might love to have Apple still be the same company it
was, it is not the same company and even if it dominates the marketplace in terms of selling
devices, that spirit and that time is passing and that's really the sadness for me that I lived
through this time and now I'm watching it begin to fade.

TONY JONES: Mike Daisey, you're obviously very conflicted about this man and his life and death. We
thank you very much though for sharing some of your thoughts with us tonight.

MIKE DAISEY: Thanks so much for having me.

Jobs forum focuses on manufacturing problems

Jobs forum focuses on manufacturing problems

Broadcast: 06/10/2011

Reporter: Tom Iggulden

The Government will give tax breaks to major infrastructure and resources projects to encourage
local manufacturers to supply materials.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: The Prime Minister has stepped in to prop up manufacturing jobs, giving in
to union pressure to reverse the slide in the sector.

The Government will use the tax breaks it gives to major infrastructure and resources projects to
open the door for local factories to supply materials.

Political correspondent, Tom Iggulden reports.

TOM IGGULDEN, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: What better way to start a jobs forum than to meet some of
your employees.

EMPLOYEE: I actually check the lights in your office every morning to make sure they're going.

JULIA GILLARD, PRIME MINISTER: Well that's a good thing. Thank you very much.

TOM IGGULDEN: Unions have been illuminating Julia Gillard on what they call the crisis in
manufacturing for months.

JULIA GILLARD: We do have to address the pressures on areas like manufacturing and Australians are
living through those pressures. They know about them, It's not an academic debate.

TOM IGGULDEN: It's certainly not for Sia Fuaivaa. She's been unemployed for 18 months since the
Pacific Brands factory she used to work at closed.

SIA FUAIVAA, UNEMPLOYED TEXTILE WORKER: Now my husband's job, he lost it last month. What am I
going to do now?

So I hope everybody understands.

ROBIN CAMPBELL, UNEMPLOYED TEXTILE WORKER: The Government thinks here's a bit of money, you will be
fine. It is not that easy out there. It is not easy for us workers from the old school like we are.

TOM IGGULDEN: Steel industry workers are the latest to face a series of job losses. Their unions
have been fighting hard to avoid the fate of so many textile workers.

Are you guys wearing Australian-made clothes today?

DELEGATE: I don't know. I haven't checked.

PAUL HOWES: If I go out and buy an Australian-made tie or suit tomorrow it's not going to save the
Australian manufacturing sector.

TOM IGGULDEN: What might, they have been arguing, is getting more Australian steel into the massive
new resources projects being built by the booming mining and natural gas sector. And they have
found a willing listener in the Prime Minister.

A new website will name and shame projects built with foreign steel and new projects worth more
than $20 million that want a government grant or a tariff reduction will have to show how they will
involve local manufacturers.

JULIA GILLARD: If you want Australian tax payers' dollars then you're going to have to give
Australian businesses a fair chance to compete for work.

PAUL HOWES: It's a good day for manufacturing and it's a good day for the million plus workers in
the sector because we have today from the Prime Minister concrete plans, concrete action.

TOM IGGULDEN: Business groups welcome the move but with reservations about how far it would go.

PETER ANDERSON, AUST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY: You don't create jobs in the Australian
Labor market by transferring efficiency in one industry sector and making it inefficient in order
to prop up jobs in another sector.

TOM IGGULDEN: The Chamber's also concerned the move could run afoul of World Trade Organisation

PETER ANDERSON: We need to make sure there are no unintended consequences from what the Prime
Minister's announced.

JULIA GILLARD: This measure will be consistent with our international trade obligations. We're not
taking a step back from our firm belief in the value of open markets.

TOM IGGULDEN: And of course no forum would be complete without the establishment of a new task
force. The Prime Minister's to chair one looking at the overall manufacturing industry and how it
can improve its competitiveness and there's to be a new international educational advisory panel
looking at how yet another struggling Australian export industry can improve itself.

Tom Iggulden, Lateline.

Qantas staff cancel strike

Qantas staff cancel strike

Broadcast: 06/10/2011


Qantas baggage handlers and ground staff have called off a two-hour strike planned for Friday as a
sign of good faith during the busy school holiday period.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Qantas baggage handlers have called off a two-hour strike planned for

The Transport Workers Union says it's cancelled the industrial action as a show of good faith.
Ground crew and catering staff were also expected to walk off the job tomorrow afternoon.

The union said its members had misgivings about going ahead with the strike during the busy school
holiday period.

Qantas said the announcement comes too late and many flights have already been cancelled or

Alleged people smugglers arrested by AFP

Alleged people smugglers arrested by AFP

Broadcast: 06/10/2011

Reporter: Hamish Fitzsimmons

Two men have appeared in a Melbourne court accused of being part of an international
people-smuggling ring.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Two men appeared in a Melbourne court today accused of being part of an
international people-smuggling ring.

The Australian Federal Police arrested the men on Wednesday after a 10-month investigation.

One of the men has also been charged with importing methamphetamine.

Hamish Fitzsimmons reports.

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS, REPORTER: The Australian Federal Police says the two who appeared in court are
key players in bringing people to Australia illegally.

commitment to dismantle and disrupt people-smuggling syndicates in Australia and also offshore and
also emphasises the whole government effort in relation to combating people smuggling in all its

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS: The AFP believes the pair is part of an international syndicate which it claims
has brought dozens of people to Australia illegally from Iran and Iraq.

The operation which led to their arrest was a sting involving bringing a fake Afghan family of six
to Australia.

DEPT. SUPT STEPHAN OBERS, AUSTRALIAN POLICE: We used undercover operatives to infiltrate and to
seek the assistance of the people-smuggling syndicate to bring over a fictitious family.

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS: A 34-year-old and 36-year-old were arrested and charged with people smuggling.
One of them is a former refugee himself according to his lawyer.

BERNIE BALMER, LAWYER: He doesn't appear to have family here at all. I think he said he came from
Iraq, been here since about 2002.

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS: The same individual has also been charged with possessing a marketable quantity
of methamphetamine, estimated to be worth $750,000.

DEPT. SUPT STEPHAN OBERS: Whilst we were investigating the people-smuggling offences it came to our
attention that one of the suspects had facilitated the importation of methamphetamine,
approximately 629 grams.

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS: There are scores of people-smuggling cases waiting to be heard by courts across
the country.

One of the most important will soon be in the Victorian Court of Appeal. Lawyers for Indonesian men
charged with people smuggling say they may have no case to answer because asylum seekers have a
legal right to seek refuge in Australia so by assisting them, accused people smugglers haven't
broken any laws.

SAUL HOLT, VICTORIAN LEGAL AID: It's really a question of law not a question of policy or politics.
But it will review an important part of Australian's Migration Act and that is this question of
what the offence of people-smuggling actually means, in terms of proving that someone has a lawful
right to come to Australia or not.

HAMISH FITZSIMMONS: The AFP says other people are expected to be charged in relation to its people
smuggling case.

Hamish Fitzsimmons, Lateline.

This year's Nobel Prize for literature has been awarded to one of Sweden's best known poets Tomas
Transtromer. Now 80 he published his clirs collection in 1931. His poems have been described as
secular prayers.

Sarah Palin rules out presidential nomination

Sarah Palin rules out presidential nomination

Broadcast: 06/10/2011


Former vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin has ruled herself out of next year's presidential
race, saying she wants to put her family first.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Well, in the United States Tea Party favourite Sarah Palin has pulled
herself out of next year's presidential race.

The mother of five said she decided not to run for the Republican nomination as she wanted to put
her family first.

The announcement ends months of speculation about her presidential ambitions.

In a statement to her supporters she said she'd be working with the Party to defeat president
Barack Obama but she didn't endorse any of the existing Republican contenders.

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