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Hello. I'm Jane Hutcheon. Welcome to One Plus One, where my guest is former
world-champion athlete Jana Pittman. Jana Pittman is a former bobsledder
and more famously a hurdler, a two-time world champion
and four-time Commonwealth champion, but the dream of winning
an Olympic medal eluded her. She's had
a roller-coaster relationship with the media
since the Athens Olympics in 2004, and a convoluted personal life. Jana's autobiography is
Just Another Hurdle.

Jana Pittman, thank you for having us
in your house for One Plus One. Thank you. Jana, you're a former
400-metres hurdler. You've been a world champion twice.
You've been a Commonwealth champion. You have had three children, two of them recently by IVF
from donor insemination. You're studying to be a doctor,
and you're due to graduate in 2019. That's a lot of life for 34 years!
(CHUCKLES) I think that... A lot of people do say that, but I still feel like there's
a hell of a lot of life to go, so... It's been a wonderful 34,
almost 35 years, but I really hope that
the biggest things are yet to come. I'm fascinated to know - you've described
retiring from athletics as the profound loss
of your identity. Have you retired from
professional athletics? That's a really good question, Jane, because I think, for me,
retiring means failing, so until I had won the Olympics,
I was never prepared to retire. And I guess now my body's saying, "Well, that's not
an option anymore," so you have to, at some stage,
let go of that dream. And I do believe that, you know, when one door closes,
another one opens, and I now need to step into medicine
and let it go, but it's just very hard to do. So, I've got a gym in my garage. So, you walk past it every day
and you're like, "Well, I'll just give it
a bit more go." And you go for a run in the park,
and you go to the kids' sport, and it's just something,
I guess, I'll do forever, and it's just not going to be
at the Olympic level anymore. So, you ARE training,
but not for anything specific. At this stage, yes, exactly. So... (LAUGHS) You grew up on a hobby farm
with your mum and dad. You had a brother. What do you think
was the key ingredient that made you run fast? Look, I think it really came down to
spending time with my father. So, he was very much like me - filled every minute of the day with
something driven and passionate, and worked so hard. He was a great inspiration
in my life, and I loved having time with him. So, he'd take a day off work
to come and watch me run, and that was really appealing - to have him standing
on the sidelines screaming out, you know, "Come on!
Come on, honey. Run!" So, I guess that, for me,
was the inspiration initially. And I do love to win. So, I love the competitive nature
of track and field, and I loved that there were
so many different events that you could do at Little As
when you were a kid. Little Athletics?
Little Athletics, that's right. Um, so, having the options there
was a lot of fun. And, I guess, when you start
becoming good at something... I always suffered from
a little bit of low self-esteem when I was a child, and I think,
having the accolades that came with competitive sport was something
that was very appealing to me. So, when you say
you suffered low self-esteem... You've said that you didn't have
a lot of friends. Do you know why that was?
(LAUGHS) Because I was so weird! I think, as a child,
I was very nerdy. Like, I loved my academics. Um, I think I always struggled
a little bit to socialise. I speak really fast.
I think that's fairly obvious, even when I'm trying
to slowly talk to you! Um, so, I think
that puts people off sometimes. And I was so driven for my goal that I would quite happily sacrifice
playing at lunchtime with friends to go and sit in the library
and study, so that then
I could train that night and not have to miss out
on both the options of doing well at school and sport. So, I guess that meant that
I didn't have as much social life, but as a young person,
you still crave that. So, certainly, as I grew older, and that's featured
quite heavily in my book, is that you want to have friends, and the idea of being well-known
comes about and gives you that opportunity
to be popular. How early was it
when you actually had a dream about being a famous athlete? Oh, um... No, I'm not one of the classic... You know, I heard a great story
about Lauren Jackson the other day, knowing... She was three years old and she always knew she wanted to be
an amazing basketballer and... Or seven by the time she decided. But, for me, it was not really... It was never that.
So, I always wanted to be a doctor. That's all I've ever wanted. As a young person, I used
to carry the doctor's bag around with all the... Like, the little polystyrene cup with the little, you know,
string attached to listen to someone's heart. That kind of thing. And, um, yeah,
probably when I was about 13, I realised that I was actually
quite good at athletics, and I was getting the praise
and the accolades, as I said. And then it sort of started
to dawn on me that maybe this is actually
something I could be VERY good at. And then, when you start winning... You know, I was winning races
when I was 14 by 50m in a 400m. So, I guess then you have coaches
coming up to you and saying, "Look, you know,
do you want to go to the Olympics?" And I'm like, "Oh, OK. "That sounds like something
that might be appealing." But... So, I think I fell into it. It was never a career path
that I anticipated. A lot of people would be surprised
to hear... How could you fall into
being a very good runner? Yeah. I mean,
I knew I ran fast as a child. Like, my dad and I would have races
in the backyard and, you know, he'd pay me 50 bucks
if I could beat him to the... You know, to the letterbox.
That sort of thing. Um, so, I knew that I could run. I just didn't realise
that I'd have the ability to... It was all about academics
in my house, so it was study hard,
get a good job. Tell me about the time when Melinda Gainsford-Taylor
was your training partner, and the two of you
walked into a McDonald's. (LAUGHS) That was fabulous! It's one of my most lovely memories,
actually, because... Actually, that's about the time that
I decided I wanted to be famous. And I was about 15, and we'd been
training together for about a year, and she went down
to her sponsor Puma to get a whole heap of clothes. So, they just piled clothes on her, and afterwards, we went for a coffee
and I chose McDonald's. I don't know why we did,
but I walked up, and I just remember
standing next to her and all these people staring at her
and asking for her autograph and just, you know,
putting her on a pedestal. And there was me, and I was so proud
to just be her friend. Um, but I remember thinking,
at that point, "It'd be pretty cool to be her." And I guess that was when I noticed
that sport could make you popular, and I did that sort of
little childhood connection of, "If you run fast and
you smile beautifully like she does, "then, you know, you might change
the way your life is." What happened the first time
you were due to race your hero, Cathy Freeman? Oh, dear. (LAUGHS) I mean, the story
with Cathy in my life - she's been an inspiration
probably my whole career. I mean, I grew up in
the era when she...between... ..in sport, between when
she got silver in Atlanta and then gold, obviously, in Sydney. So, she was a massive hero of mine,
and I certainly know, you know... I've raced against her many times. One of the times,
I remember her running, and running so fast past me,
it was crazy. It was like watching a shadow
on the ground, and then you're being devoured
before the finish line. I remember the first time
I had an option to race her, actually missing the race
'cause I was so nervous. I didn't come out
of the bathroom in time, and I was just totally shocked and afraid of being embarrassed
in front of a crowd because she'd lap me. And, you know, most people know
that I run 400 metres, so there is no... (LAUGHS) There's no second lap, so... Yeah, she's just amazing, and I think
she's really influenced my career. So, were you the kind of person
who didn't want to do something unless you could absolutely
do it perfectly? That's a difficult question
to answer, actually, because certainly in medicine, and, actually, in most things,
that would probably be the case. I give 100% or I don't do it at all. Um, but I learned differently,
so I learned... It was more... The effort had to be 100%,
but the outcome didn't have to be. So, I'd far more prefer
to try something and fail at it, and fail repeatedly at it
until I conquered it, than not try it at all. So, in the case of racing Freeman,
when I didn't run and I was nervous
and that sort of thing, um, for me, it was more that
I realised that day that I never wanted
to feel the failure for just being too afraid. So, I made a decision
there and then, as a young girl, to say, "Well, you've got plenty
of opportunities in life. "A lot of them are going
to be really scary, "but it's far better to try it
and to be embarrassed afterwards "than it was to sit
in your room thinking, "'Well, what could have happened? "'This could have happened
and that could have happened, "'but, you know, you were too afraid
to give it a go.'" I want to talk about
some of the things that elite athletes
have to put up with, which, you know,
us mortal humans know nothing about. I was really fascinated to read about
the whole idea of relationships, and having relationships. But also, you know,
being an elite athlete itself is a relationship. And I wondered... You know, you started so young, do you feel that
you had the right advice and, I suppose, the right experience to form good relationships
with your partners? Another fascinating question.
I like it. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS)
Um, do you know, I don't think so. I think sport is one area that I hadn't actually
thought about before, but it brings out a real reliance
on other people. So, you're dictated... Your whole life
and your training regime is dictated by your coach
and your environment. You've got a lot
of strict regulations and you don't go out,
you don't drink, you don't do anything like that,
so it's a very... OK, it's a very sheltered
environment. You're very protected. And I think you therefore think that all relationships
are going to be like that. So, I think
we often trust too quickly, particularly with the media,
and also with partners, things like that.
Really? Because the people around you
are so loving and caring. They keep you in a bubble,
and they protect you from things, and they might not tell you things
because they think that's going to influence
and affect your training that day, so, "We're just going to keep it
from her because, otherwise, "if she trains poorly,
she doesn't win." So, it's a real little bubble world
that you're in. I think a lot of athletes
are so incredibly optimistic as well that we always see the best
in a lot of people and a lot of things
until we get burnt, and then you sort of change, but... So, I think... And there's no-one advising you
or giving you tips? You know, "Don't get too close
with that person," or...? I think it's more that,
when you're a young person - so, maybe from the age
of eight...16 through to 24 - someone else makes
all those decisions for you. Even in the case
of one of my relationships, it was a situation
where my coach said, "Well, it's either the Olympics
and my training "or it's the relationship, so..." And I knew the relationship
was probably affecting training, so the relationship got put aside
and the training became priority, which sounds very ruthless and hard, but when you're trying
to win the Olympic Games, it's all or nothing. It's a very sort of... It's a very selfish environment,
and that's why I love medicine, which is the complete opposite. It's so selfless in comparison.
But... So, I think, as a young person, you have no chance to form
relationships on your own terms. You're really dictated to
by yourself. And then you get to 25, 26, and you're expected to make
good relationships with people and be able to do
that sort of thing, and you have no-one around you
to make advice or help you with that advice, so you second-guess
a lot of your own decisions. Just before you won, I think,
the Youth Championships in Poland, the year that you were turning 16, you write of an upsetting incident
where... Well, you were basically assaulted
by somebody that you knew. Do you think that event coloured
the next decade, you know, those early years of your career? Um, to be honest with you,
I block anything that's painful out, so, for me, I really blocked
a lot of that situation out. It wasn't till I had quite a number
of dysfunctional relationships with males that I realised
that I was still holding on to some of that event,
because I completely blamed myself. So, I still do, and there's always
two sides to a story. So, in that particular situation,
I put myself there, and, you know, it's why I don't drink alcohol
at all - because I had half a bottle of wine
and I was young and made a mistake
in that situation. So, I think it was two young people in the wrong place
at the wrong time, and it definitely affected
my ability to commit and trust
in relationships, which affected my marriage, It affected most of
the lovely people that have come in and out
of my life. So, it's the one area
I'm incredibly defunct at, is marriage and meeting someone. I feel like I'm really successful
in a lot of areas, and I've found that area
really difficult and challenging. So, yes, I do think
it was coloured by that event. The other issue about
being an elite athlete, which I found incredible
because I love chocolate too... (LAUGHS) Oh, no. Yes. ..but it's like...couldn't she just
have a little bit of chocolate? No, I can't do that.
I can't do things in halves. It's either you do it altogether
or you don't. But it's a coping mechanism, though. There's lots of girls out there
that we eat when we're sad or we eat when we're happy,
and for me, I've just always had a relationship
with food that was challenging. So, you've got to remember that I'm supposed to be
rake-skinny 99% of the year, so it just gets out of control. It's one of those -
if you want something and you can't have it, you want it more
and you want it more, and then you feel really guilty
if you go against what the... ..you know, what your coach
and the people around you say. So, you were bulimic for a while. I'd probably say close on 10 years. Yeah, so... But it wasn't dysfunctional,
initially. And this is where the public will
find it really hard to understand, because I'd say I didn't... Yes, I made poor decisions with food
when I was younger, but it wasn't impacting
and affecting my life. It wasn't till I was older that
I used it as a coping mechanism. Why are sporting regimes
for elite athletes so severe? Yeah. We've seen, for example, what's happened to a lot
of elite swimmers when they retire, and life is really hard. You're talking about
extraordinary humans here if you're talking about the swimmers and the guys that win
Olympic gold medals, because you're so extremist,
because no-one... Training like we train
is so unhealthy for your body. It's horrible. And half the time,
you're injured and limping around, and you still keep training,
you still keep pushing yourself. And I think, particularly with diet,
it's the one area of control that we sort of try to extend
on ourselves, and, you know, you have to be lean
and you have to be fit, particularly for my sport. And for me, it was something that,
you know, you control what goes in your mouth
and what you don't. And the guilt factor, I think,
drives a lot of - not all of us -
but certainly drove my career. The guiltier I felt about something, the harder I'd push
and therefore the better I'd be. So, I really ran on the whole... As we often will say, the self-deprecating part
of personality - I use that as fuel to be better. So, I was always trying to push to be better and better and better
at something, so... And, you know,
some people say that's resilience - you push and you never give up. Then other people say
that's just stubborn and stupid, and, you know, I just say,
"Well, that's just me," so... So, during the time
you were an elite athlete, were you desperately unhappy? Oh, God, no. I loved... My career and my life was amazing. It's just...
You know, I travelled the world. I represented my country.
I had so many highs. And I had a protective factor
in that I had children very young. So, I had a son when I was 23, and he did most of my athletics
with me. So, even on the days when things
were going poorly on the track or poorly in my marriage
or things like that, I came home to this smiling
little guy that had no... He knows now. Now he thinks it's hilarious
to go in public and tell everyone, "My mum is Jana Pittman." But at that stage, he had no idea. And, yeah,
he just loved me for who I am. So, I had that protective factor,
but I think... So, stepping away from the track,
life was brilliant, but on the track,
it could often be quite challenging. During your career,
you had a lot of nicknames, most of them perhaps not really good. I think you were dubbed once
Drama Yana after you threw away your crutches
after a knee operation. You were married to the athlete
Chris Rawlinson. You separated. You went back to him. You had breast enhancement.
You reversed that. There's been a lot of ups and downs, and you say of this that
you're the most guilt-ridden person that you know. Mm.
Why guilt-ridden? I think there's
two separate issues there. Guilt-ridden, for me, is more about that I haven't succeeded
in the career that I wanted. I wanted to win an Olympic
gold medal and sort of didn't, so that's more personal guilt. I don't feel any guilt
for the decisions I made in life. I'm just very aware that
I'm an elite athlete, therefore my life has played out
in the press because I was very good at my sport. And I think
that's really challenging for people to understand, is, yes,
people get divorced and married and remarried
and divorced regularly, but mine is in the press and
mine is on the front of the papers. And the breast augmentation surgery,
I don't regret at all. It made me feel the most... So beautiful for that period of time
that I had lovely, big boobs, 'cause I'm an elite athlete -
again, I had no boobs. I had no waist. No nothing. I looked like a complete male
underneath the clothes. And for that period of time, I felt amazing
and I felt so feminine. And it was for me.
It wasn't for anybody else. And it was just that
I decided to return to sport. So, after 2008, when I got injured
for the Olympics, I thought it was going to be over,
I was done, I was going to go to medical school
and it was all going to be finished. And that bug for Olympic glory
came back again, so it just wasn't... You can't run with big boobs, so that was the decision
to remove them. Jana, tell me about that time
after the Athens Olympics when you were part of
a tickertape parade moving through Sydney and a man came up to you
and spat in your face. It was a very challenging point,
because, you know, any athlete that competes
for our country, we don't want
the negative publicity. No-one puts their hand up and says, "Please write about me
in a bad way 'cause I love it." But, you know, too much media had been done
around the Athens debacle, and I was the favourite
to win in Athens. And when the knee injury happened, the media grabbed hold of it
and it was all over this country - constantly all this constant press about me and my silly knee
and all that sort of thing. So, I don't blame him. He must have read a lot of it
and been sick of seeing my name on the front page of the paper
instead of someone who'd been much more successful
than me at the Olympics. And so he came up and, you know, spat and said I was a disgrace
to the country. So, it was hard. And, you know, I had a few moments
throughout my career. I got booed off a stage once. I got someone yelling out of a car
they didn't like me, that kind of thing. But, you know,
I think you can't blame them. I guess that's the point of my book. I do apologise and say, "I'm sorry for some
of the things I've done," mainly for the reason that
it's not the public's fault that they read something. To be honest,
it's the journalists and myself for the way I've portrayed things
trying to be really excited. A great example is when I threw the crutches away
after my knee operation. In my head, I saw that
as an amazing opportunity to show that
Australians can do anything. "Look what's happened. "One minute, they've told me
my career is over, "I'm never running again,
and the next minute, "an amazing surgeon
turns that around, "and look what we're capable of,
us Aussies. "We're incredible. We defy the odds.
Let's go and do this." And I only saw the positive in that. I couldn't see the way
that could be spun 'cause I'm never good at that. I see the positive in everything. Do you feel that you're more
of a bulletproof character now? Oh, no, goodness. I'm as soft as they come, which is
why I'm going into medicine, where I can help other people
and it's not about me. But going into medicine
wasn't easy to do. You had to apply
to do medicine twice... True. Yep. ..because you didn't make it
the first time. The first time, yeah. That was the biggest ego hit
I've ever had because, as you can imagine, I so thought... I did very well at school,
so I just thought it was a matter of making sure I sat
the exam and I did well enough. My uni marks were fine, so I was really expecting it to be
an OK journey, and, yeah, it was a big hit and it took a lot of courage
to then get up the next year and sit it again. Was there still
a finish line of sorts there? I don't think so. But I met this great surgeon
down in Melbourne who actually operated on me, and one of his registrars
was in the room, and the two of them were talking
about how often they failed the UMAT to get in. And one of them actually said
he'd... That's the medical exam, is it?
Sorry, yes. The medical entrance exam. So this doctor told me he'd failed
the UMAT twice and the GAMSAT three times, and now he's a great surgeon. So it really, I think for me... The exams are just a barrier
to get across. It's about what kind of doctor
you're going to be, and now, you know, I'm really lucky that I've managed to do very well
in my exams as a medical student, and the entrance exam is history. You are due to graduate in 2019. What do you want to achieve
as a doctor? It's interesting because I actually have
just really shifted this, this thought process. I always believed sport was my life, but now I believe sport was what
actually was going to give me the platform
to have a voice in medicine. So I am heavily involved
in gyne cancer groups across Australia - so Australian Cervical
Cancer Foundation is my top charity I work with, and ANZGOG
and their Save The Box campaign. So I work with women's cancers, particularly
of the reproductive organs, and trying to open up the silence
associated to them. And had I not been Jana Pittman
back in the day, I don't think I'd have
the opportunities now to be able to voice the concerns
that we need to as women. So, down the track, I definitely want to be
a gynaecologist/obstetrics surgeon and hopefully working in actual
cancers and women's reproduction. It would be amazing. If someone came up to you and said, "Jana,
let's give the 2018 Games a go." No. (LAUGHS) Not the 2018 Commonwealth. I mean, the idea of running
in my home country would be wonderful. Like, obviously, I did that,
I had that opportunity in Melbourne running in front of a home crowd, 'cause I was living in Melbourne
in 2006. And the standing ovation I got when I won the gold medal
was unbelievable. Like, just to have
all those Australian voices singing our anthem
was really incredible. Um... If I was in great shape a year out
from the Tokyo Olympics, in four years, 3.5 years,
and I was in good shape, that would be difficult to say no,
but not a Commonwealth. Just the elusive gold medal that
I haven't won at the Olympics. Wow.
So it really does still grab you. I think it would for any athlete. There can't be... If you haven't... If you've missed your goal
in your sport, in anything... We're not talking just about sport. If you've missed getting
that promotion at work or if you haven't, you know,
become the anchor on a TV program, it's kind of
one of those situations, if you try and you try and you try
and you try, and when it becomes not possible
anymore, it doesn't mean you're going
to lose the want for it, you just can't do it anymore. I was reading an article
about Tiger Woods recently, and there was a coach
who was commenting, saying that
if first place is the only goal, it's a set-up for misery because every week
produces dozens of losers... Yeah. ..and only one winner. That's right.
Second is the first loser. (LAUGHS) It's a horrible saying,
but it's... Do you know...? Is it not better
to work for acceptance? No. Well, no... No. No, I don't believe that, I'm sorry. (LAUGHS) I think you can accept
a lot of things in life, but we can't all be coathangers. We have to have some people
that stand above, and it's in different careers. Like, it doesn't have to be
everything in my life, I just wanted to be a great athlete
and a great doctor and a great mum. I'm not good at relationships, I can't sing
and my house can be messy. There's lots of things
that can fall apart, but the top things, for me, you do it 100% and
to the best of your ability, and you just accept the mediocrity in things
that you don't care as much about. Where you are today, do you feel you accept yourself
for the person you are? Finally. Through writing the book, actually, has allowed me to find
a lot of acceptance with who I am. Having my children
has really allowed that, and also my medical career, so that I have a real career
and life to go to post sport. But I think, due to the media and due to my own...the way I was
throughout my 20s, I really struggled to find identity
in myself, and I threw that into sport,
so it became my complete... If I was doing well in sport,
I felt great as a person. If I was doing poorly in sport,
then I felt low. So it took a long time
to move past that and be able to really be confident in the person I was presenting
as just a normal Jana, rather than Jana Pittman. A lot of people might have been
content with one child. Your relationship with your husband
had broken down, but you were keen to have more kids. It couldn't have been
an easy process - IVF for starters, finding the right donor... I love kids. So, I've always grown up wanting
five or six kids as a mum. So, for me, it was always medicine and children,
medicine and children. Sport kind of just came in the way, which is why I didn't worry about
having a child during my career. A lot of athletes would say, "Why on earth would you give up
a year of sport - "it's such a short period in your
life - to have a baby?" But to me, that baby was way better
than the sport. So, you know, I gave up
the Rio Olympics to have Jemima last year, so my current daughter, because I realised
that I actually wanted children more than I wanted to run
in another Olympic Games. So the IVF journey was a challenge,
but again, the relationship thing
was a problem for me. I really don't... I'd been through
a pretty rough divorce. And I don't talk a lot about it
in my book 'cause I think that's quite private
between Chris and I. There's only splatterings
through the book of him. But that hit me... It knocked me for six,
that divorce, as it does for most people. And my child as well. We went through the ringer with that and I didn't want to put
any more children through that. I waited and I tried for a few years
to meet the next man that could be the father
of my children, and it didn't happen, and I wasn't scared
of doing it alone. I'd been a single mum with Cornelis, 'cause I'd him on my own
for about three years by now. So a lovely friend
that I'd met many years previously had done it herself, and she was a real inspiration
to me. And I kept remembering her story
about how she was a really high-flying lady
in a corporate environment and decided,
when she got to a certain age, that she didn't want to go
without children. So I went and had the appointment,
I went on the list, waited, and then, yeah, a few months later, when unfortunately
another relationship didn't go well, I decided it was time
to step out on my own.

As I look at you,
I can see your eyes glistening. Are you close...? Are you emotional...?
With happiness? Are you close to tears
most of the time? Uh, no. You've got to remember, I've got
a 12-week-old baby right now, so the hormones in my system
are a little bit accentuated. They are... They are the best thing
that's ever happened to me. And to put a bit of perspective
on it, I had five miscarriages as well
trying to get my two babies. So, the relationships breaking down,
my marriage breaking down, thinking that I wouldn't have
any more kids, and then losing those babies, and the breakdowns
of those relationships, to then come out and feel like I had the biggest miracle
on the planet, the birth of my two children, easily makes me realise
how incredibly lucky I am. And, yes, of course, it makes me
teary to think how lucky I've been. You know, I work in women's health and I watch women
having hysterectomies when they are in their 20s and 30s, and who can't have children, and there I was thinking
I'd never have any more, because I wasn't married
or because I kept losing them, and now they're here. Do you feel life
has been a fairytale? It depends...
Or a hard slog? (LAUGHS) I don't know, actually. My family is very fairytale. My parents are very... Like, I have the most optimistic,
happy, wonderful family that support each other
through thick and thin, so I think I wouldn't be me
if it wasn't for them, and they certainly give me
a very fairytale life. Like, the house we're sitting in
right now, every brick of it was built
by my own father. He provided for me so much
as a girl growing up through motivation and through life
and through the house. Nothing could ever be too much
to ask of my parents. My children are the same. But certainly, track was
an up-and-down roller-coaster, so it's almost... I genuinely feel like I had
two completely separate lives that were trying to amalgamate
together and never really fit, and now that I'm retired,
I've got one life, and it's better. You said you were retired! I did, it's probably
the first time I've ever said it on television, actually. Congratulations. Thank you. We've been talking about a fairytale. At one stage,
you did go to Monaco and you did meet
a very nice man called Albert, who turned out to be Prince Albert. I did. That was a funny story
back in the day. And it's really interesting
'cause I often get asked why did I not, you know, come out... I'm supposed to be the athlete
that loves all the media, but it was such a private,
wonderful weekend, I guess. I'd just won the IAAF
Rising Star Of The Year award, so they flew... My governing body for athletics flew me over to Monaco
to receive that award, and I thought it was very funny 'cause I just remember
one of my friends saying, "Try and meet a nice guy
who'll take you out on a yacht." And, you know,
I was single and I was young, and it was just fun and, yeah,
and this lovely guy with an American,
sort of American-European accent came up and bought me a drink
and offered to take me out to dinner the next night,
and I had absolutely no idea. No idea who he was, other than everybody seemed
to know and like him. So I was a bit like,
"OK. This is interesting." Yeah, so it was... It's a blur now,
it was so many years ago, but I just remember him being
such a gentleman. Yeah, and he was
just such a wonderful human and really treasured and spoiled me
for the time that I was in Monaco. Jana, it's been such a great pleasure getting to know the person
behind the headlines. Thank you for speaking with me
on One Plus One. My pleasure. Thank you.

That was former athlete Jana Pittman. You can find One Plus One on iview. We have a website where you can watch previous episodes. And you can contact me on Twitter and Facebook. I'll be back here next week. See you then.

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