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(generated from captions) So, the President
is inviting controversy, So, the President
is inviting controversy, inviting investigations inviting investigations that I believe will ultimately,
if he continues down that path, that I believe will ultimately,
if he continues down that path, cause him a tremendous amount
of problems. cause him a tremendous amount
of problems. Could it lead to impeachment?
Is that likely? Could it lead to impeachment?
Is that likely? It's a little early I think It's a little early I think to be talking about
any impeachment scenarios. to be talking about
any impeachment scenarios. High crimes and misdemeanours
are the threshold for impeachment High crimes and misdemeanours
are the threshold for impeachment and I think it would take
a very serious matter. and I think it would take
a very serious matter. Appearance issues probably
wouldn't cross that threshold. Appearance issues probably
wouldn't cross that threshold. It would lead to
calls for investigations, It would lead to
calls for investigations, calls for independent counsels. calls for independent counsels.

Some pundits are speculating Some pundits are speculating that President Trump may not see out
his four-year term, that President Trump may not see out
his four-year term, while others think
he will make America great again. while others think
he will make America great again.

One thing they do agree upon
is under Trump, One thing they do agree upon
is under Trump, America will never be the same. America will never be the same.

The President of the United States,
and this is hard for many people, The President of the United States,
and this is hard for many people, including Americans, to understand, including Americans, to understand, has the authority
to launch a nuclear strike. has the authority
to launch a nuclear strike. Because the decision has to be made
so quickly Because the decision has to be made
so quickly depending on circumstances, depending on circumstances, there is no resort to Congress there is no resort to Congress to either try to block it
or to authorise it. to either try to block it
or to authorise it. And that is arguably
the most powerful authority And that is arguably
the most powerful authority any leader in the world could have. any leader in the world could have. So I hope that a tweet
from a foreign leader So I hope that a tweet
from a foreign leader or some insult
directed toward the White House or some insult
directed toward the White House won't set off Mr Trump into a fit. won't set off Mr Trump into a fit.

Predicting what Donald Trump will do
or say is very difficult. Predicting what Donald Trump will do
or say is very difficult. It is possible that
there will be utter chaos, It is possible that
there will be utter chaos, that literally nothing will get done
domestically, that literally nothing will get done
domestically, in terms of foreign policy. in terms of foreign policy. His wall will never get built, His wall will never get built, tax reform will die a slow death tax reform will die a slow death and that you just cannot operate
in the American political system and that you just cannot operate
in the American political system with someone this flighty,
this erratic. with someone this flighty,
this erratic.

The spectrum of uncertainty
felt during Trump's first fortnight The spectrum of uncertainty
felt during Trump's first fortnight feels unlike anything
we've faced for decades. feels unlike anything
we've faced for decades. The question for now is what's next. The question for now is what's next. On our program next week, On our program next week, Four Corners investigates Australia's
vitamins and supplements industry - Four Corners investigates Australia's
vitamins and supplements industry - how much of your money
is going down the toilet? how much of your money
is going down the toilet? See you then. See you then.

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You're saying it's a falsehood
and they're giving, Sean Spicer, You're saying it's a falsehood
and they're giving, Sean Spicer, our press secretary,
gave alternative facts to that. our press secretary,
gave alternative facts to that. But the point really is... But the point really is... Wait a minute, alternative facts? Wait a minute, alternative facts? Alternative facts
for the five facts he uttered... Alternative facts
for the five facts he uttered... Hey, Chuck, why, hey Chuck... Hey, Chuck, why, hey Chuck... The one thing he got
right was Zig Miller. The one thing he got
right was Zig Miller. Four of the five facts
he uttered were just not true. Four of the five facts
he uttered were just not true. Look, alternative facts
are not facts, they're falsehoods. Look, alternative facts
are not facts, they're falsehoods.

Hello, I'm Paul Barry,
welcome to Media Watch Hello, I'm Paul Barry,
welcome to Media Watch and to the 'Alice in Wonderland'
world and to the 'Alice in Wonderland'
world where reality is whatever
you want it to be. where reality is whatever
you want it to be. Once upon a time, facts
were facts and news was news. Once upon a time, facts
were facts and news was news. But now we have 'alternative facts'
and fake news and it's But now we have 'alternative facts'
and fake news and it's all so bizarre, it merits a special
program to make sense of it all, all so bizarre, it merits a special
program to make sense of it all, and no prizes for guessing who's
at the heart of the battle, and no prizes for guessing who's
at the heart of the battle, as he is with so many others. as he is with so many others. JIM ACOSTA, REPORTER: JIM ACOSTA, REPORTER: Since you're attacking us,
can you give us a question? Since you're attacking us,
can you give us a question? Mr President-elect, Mr President-elect, since you're attacking
our news organization, since you're attacking
our news organization, can you give us a chance? can you give us a chance? Go ahead. Go ahead. You are attacking our news
organisation, You are attacking our news
organisation, can you give us
a chance to ask a question, sir? can you give us
a chance to ask a question, sir? No, not you. No, not you. Not you. Not you. Your organization is terrible. Your organization is terrible. Go ahead. Go ahead. Quiet. Quiet. She's asking a question,
don't be rude. She's asking a question,
don't be rude. President-elect, can
you give us a question? President-elect, can
you give us a question? Don't be rude. Don't be rude. You are attacking us. You are attacking us. Can you give us a question? Can you give us a question? No, I'm not going to
give you a question. No, I'm not going to
give you a question. I'm not going to give
you a question. I'm not going to give
you a question. You are fake news. You are fake news. That fiery exchange with a CNN
reporter was three weeks ago but, That fiery exchange with a CNN
reporter was three weeks ago but, since then, the war
has been hotting up. since then, the war
has been hotting up. First, Trump's press secretary
boasted his inauguration First, Trump's press secretary
boasted his inauguration had attracted the biggest
crowd in history. had attracted the biggest
crowd in history. 'False!' cried the media
and produced the pictures, 'False!' cried the media
and produced the pictures, but he didn't back down. but he didn't back down. Then Trump insisted without any
evidence that fraud had robbed him Then Trump insisted without any
evidence that fraud had robbed him of a popular vote victory of a popular vote victory because 3-5 million people had voted
illegally for Clinton. because 3-5 million people had voted
illegally for Clinton. That was a lie, said
the New York Times on its Page 1, That was a lie, said
the New York Times on its Page 1, while the city's raucous
tabloid the Daily News, while the city's raucous
tabloid the Daily News, rolled out its front page
to broaden the attack: rolled out its front page
to broaden the attack:

But it's not just America
where truth is under attack. But it's not just America
where truth is under attack. The Czech Republic is
setting up a unit to fight The Czech Republic is
setting up a unit to fight the fake news threat. the fake news threat. The German government is calling
for a unit to do the same. The German government is calling
for a unit to do the same. Britain's BBC is setting
up its own team to debunk fake news, Britain's BBC is setting
up its own team to debunk fake news, and the European Union
is raising the alarm. and the European Union
is raising the alarm. Meanwhile, in Australia
the Macquarie Dictionary has chosen Meanwhile, in Australia
the Macquarie Dictionary has chosen "fake news" as its word of the year,
with editor Susan Butler commenting: "fake news" as its word of the year,
with editor Susan Butler commenting:

And, as Macquarie's editor notes,
crying "fake news" And, as Macquarie's editor notes,
crying "fake news" has become the easy way for people has become the easy way for people to cast doubt on stories
they don't like: to cast doubt on stories
they don't like:

Before Christmas, Resources Minister
Matt Canavan dismissed reports Before Christmas, Resources Minister
Matt Canavan dismissed reports of an Indian tax probe
into coal miner Adani, of an Indian tax probe
into coal miner Adani, which is being promised Australian
taxpayer funds for its Queensland which is being promised Australian
taxpayer funds for its Queensland mine, by telling the ABC: mine, by telling the ABC:

More recently, One Nation senator
Malcolm Roberts has levelled More recently, One Nation senator
Malcolm Roberts has levelled the same charge at Buzzfeed,
for disputing his boast the same charge at Buzzfeed,
for disputing his boast about scoring tickets to Trump's
inauguration: about scoring tickets to Trump's
inauguration:

And what does President Trump
think of Buzzfeed? And what does President Trump
think of Buzzfeed? Here's his reaction to its
scandalous and unsubstantiated Here's his reaction to its
scandalous and unsubstantiated claims that he romped
with Russian prostitutes. claims that he romped
with Russian prostitutes. Buzzfeed, which is a failing
pile of garbage... Buzzfeed, which is a failing
pile of garbage... It's all fake news. It's all fake news. It's phoney stuff. It's phoney stuff. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. Fake news. Fake news. So what exactly is fake news? So what exactly is fake news? Well, it's a story that's untrue
and deliberately so, Well, it's a story that's untrue
and deliberately so, which is designed either to make
money or to win political advantage which is designed either to make
money or to win political advantage and it came to the fore in the US
election with stories like these: and it came to the fore in the US
election with stories like these:

The crazy claim that the Pope
was backing Trump reached The crazy claim that the Pope
was backing Trump reached an audience of almost 1 million
people and an IPSOS survey an audience of almost 1 million
people and an IPSOS survey for Buzzfeed showed that two out
of three who remembered the story for Buzzfeed showed that two out
of three who remembered the story believed it to be true. believed it to be true. Meanwhile, this claim
by the Christian Times Newspaper Meanwhile, this claim
by the Christian Times Newspaper of massive vote-rigging
also went viral. of massive vote-rigging
also went viral.

Ohio was a state Trump needed
to win, but he'd warned voters it Ohio was a state Trump needed
to win, but he'd warned voters it could be snatched from him by fraud,
and this story on a genuine-looking could be snatched from him by fraud,
and this story on a genuine-looking news site offered proof: news site offered proof: Boxes full
of bogus votes for Hillary before Boxes full
of bogus votes for Hillary before polling had even began. polling had even began.

News of that Ohio fraud
reached 6 million people, News of that Ohio fraud
reached 6 million people, but it was a pack of lies,
as the 'New York Times' showed last but it was a pack of lies,
as the 'New York Times' showed last month in unmasking its manufacturer, month in unmasking its manufacturer, a 23-year-old Republican activist
called Cameron Harris. a 23-year-old Republican activist
called Cameron Harris.

The photo of the ballot boxes
was lifted from a 2015 story The photo of the ballot boxes
was lifted from a 2015 story in Britain's 'Birmingham Mail'
and the fraud claimed in Britain's 'Birmingham Mail'
and the fraud claimed by the 'Christian Times Newspaper'
was 100% fiction, as were most by the 'Christian Times Newspaper'
was 100% fiction, as were most of the other stories on its website. of the other stories on its website.

So why did an avid Republican
fake these stories? So why did an avid Republican
fake these stories? Maybe it's obvious,
but 'New York Times' reporter Maybe it's obvious,
but 'New York Times' reporter Scott Shane was not so sure,
telling Media Watch: Scott Shane was not so sure,
telling Media Watch:

Whether Harris was driven
by politics or money - Whether Harris was driven
by politics or money - and he picked up US$23,000 in ad
revenue from his site, and he picked up US$23,000 in ad
revenue from his site, which cost just $5 to set up - which cost just $5 to set up - Harris wasn't the only one to cash
in on tall Trump tales. Harris wasn't the only one to cash
in on tall Trump tales.

Last November, Buzzfeed identified
more than 100 websites in Macedonia, Last November, Buzzfeed identified
more than 100 websites in Macedonia,

such as Trump Vision 365,
World Politic US, and US such as Trump Vision 365,
World Politic US, and US Conservative Today,
who were pushing crazy pro-Trump Conservative Today,
who were pushing crazy pro-Trump or anti-Clinton stories. or anti-Clinton stories. Almost all were plagiarised
from right-wing blogs or fringe Almost all were plagiarised
from right-wing blogs or fringe sites in the USA. sites in the USA. And the ones that received most
clicks and generated most revenue And the ones that received most
clicks and generated most revenue were the outright fakes. were the outright fakes.

Buzzfeed's media editor,
Craig Silverman, found the same Buzzfeed's media editor,
Craig Silverman, found the same when he analysed American websites,
with fake news again beating real when he analysed American websites,
with fake news again beating real news hands down in the last three
months of the campaign. news hands down in the last three
months of the campaign. So why do people like
fake news so much? So why do people like
fake news so much?

Fake news is hardly
a new phenomenon, nor is believing Fake news is hardly
a new phenomenon, nor is believing stuff that defies all evidence,
but in a world where anyone can set stuff that defies all evidence,
but in a world where anyone can set up a website and so many
are on social media, up a website and so many
are on social media, it can spread like wildfire. it can spread like wildfire. Almost 2 billion people log
onto Facebook every month Almost 2 billion people log
onto Facebook every month and Facebook works by giving
them the news they want. and Facebook works by giving
them the news they want.

But it's not just with Trump
that fake news thrives. But it's not just with Trump
that fake news thrives. As you can see with this
story from Breitbart, As you can see with this
story from Breitbart, the new President's favourite
right-wing website, visited by 37 the new President's favourite
right-wing website, visited by 37 million people every month: million people every month:

Breitbart's headline didn't
say the mob was Muslim, Breitbart's headline didn't
say the mob was Muslim, but it claimed the 1,000 men chanted
'Allahu Akhbar' as they set fire but it claimed the 1,000 men chanted
'Allahu Akhbar' as they set fire the German church. the German church. So, was it true? So, was it true?

Yes, at best, it was
a shocking beat up. Yes, at best, it was
a shocking beat up. At worst, deliberate lies. At worst, deliberate lies. According to Ruhr Nachrichten,
Breitbart and a right-wing Austrian According to Ruhr Nachrichten,
Breitbart and a right-wing Austrian website, who had no reporters
at the scene, took local news website, who had no reporters
at the scene, took local news reports out of context and distorted
them: reports out of context and distorted
them:

A video of Dortmund's New Years Eve
celebrations, posted A video of Dortmund's New Years Eve
celebrations, posted on Ruhr Nachrichten,
shows a big and boisterous crowd on Ruhr Nachrichten,
shows a big and boisterous crowd letting off fireworks in the main
square and some 50 Syrian refugees letting off fireworks in the main
square and some 50 Syrian refugees celebrating the Aleppo ceasefire
in another part of the city. celebrating the Aleppo ceasefire
in another part of the city. But no 1000-man mob attacking
the police, and no torching But no 1000-man mob attacking
the police, and no torching of the church, which is not
the oldest in Germany, of the church, which is not
the oldest in Germany, and police say it was a quiet night. and police say it was a quiet night. As Ruhr Nachrichten's Dennis Werner
told Media Watch: As Ruhr Nachrichten's Dennis Werner
told Media Watch:

Total damage, 200 euros. Total damage, 200 euros. Now what makes this shocking story
even worse is that Breitbart's boss Now what makes this shocking story
even worse is that Breitbart's boss until recently was Steve Bannon,
who was picked last August to run until recently was Steve Bannon,
who was picked last August to run Donald Trump's US election campaign. Donald Trump's US election campaign. Bannon is now in the White House
as Trump's chief strategist Bannon is now in the White House
as Trump's chief strategist and he was reportedly chief
architect of the ban on immigrants and he was reportedly chief
architect of the ban on immigrants from seven mainly Muslim countries. from seven mainly Muslim countries. Breitbart is currently expanding
in Europe to cover the French Breitbart is currently expanding
in Europe to cover the French and German elections,
and it's worth asking what effect and German elections,
and it's worth asking what effect fake news like the Muslim
mob might have. fake news like the Muslim
mob might have. Dennis Werner told Media Watch: Dennis Werner told Media Watch:

So how do we do that? So how do we do that? Well, since social media
is what turbocharges it all, Well, since social media
is what turbocharges it all, it would help if Facebook flagged
fake news and misleading stories it would help if Facebook flagged
fake news and misleading stories to its users, and
slowed their spread. to its users, and
slowed their spread. And it has promised to do just that,
with CEO Mark Zuckerberg And it has promised to do just that,
with CEO Mark Zuckerberg telling his Facebook followers
in December: telling his Facebook followers
in December:

The plan is for users to alert
Facebook to dodgy stories The plan is for users to alert
Facebook to dodgy stories so that it can get fact-checking
websites like Snopes and FactCheck so that it can get fact-checking
websites like Snopes and FactCheck to rule on whether they're OK. to rule on whether they're OK. But while it sounds promising,
there's little sign of any action But while it sounds promising,
there's little sign of any action so far. so far. Google is also trying,
by cutting off revenue Google is also trying,
by cutting off revenue to fake news sites. to fake news sites. Google put the 'Christian Times
Newspaper' out of business Google put the 'Christian Times
Newspaper' out of business in November by starving it of ads. in November by starving it of ads. And it claims to have cut
the flow to 200 others. And it claims to have cut
the flow to 200 others. But hundreds of other sites remain,
and the 'Christian Times Newspaper' But hundreds of other sites remain,
and the 'Christian Times Newspaper' story is still out there,
live and kicking and, story is still out there,
live and kicking and, even if you could shut them
all down, is that really even if you could shut them
all down, is that really what you want to do? what you want to do? Australia's The Shovel, for example,
is certainly fake news, Australia's The Shovel, for example,
is certainly fake news, but it's also satire: but it's also satire:

And so is America's famous fake
news site, The Onion. And so is America's famous fake
news site, The Onion.

Surely you don't want to put
satirical sites like that Surely you don't want to put
satirical sites like that out of business? out of business? Nor surely do you want to stamp out
memes which make people believe Nor surely do you want to stamp out
memes which make people believe Donald Trump is even more
wacky than he really is? Donald Trump is even more
wacky than he really is? I have to confess that for a moment
I thought that one might be real, I have to confess that for a moment
I thought that one might be real, and manipulating images like that
gets more sophisticated every day. and manipulating images like that
gets more sophisticated every day. Here's a researcher
at Stanford University making Here's a researcher
at Stanford University making another famous politician copy
facial expressions in real time. another famous politician copy
facial expressions in real time.

It's scary stuff and it
will doubtless get harder to tell It's scary stuff and it
will doubtless get harder to tell the fake from the real thing. the fake from the real thing. So, is there a magic answer? So, is there a magic answer? Sadly not. Sadly not. Ultimately, we have to rely
on genuine media to expose fake news Ultimately, we have to rely
on genuine media to expose fake news and lies, as we try
to do at Media Watch. and lies, as we try
to do at Media Watch. But, as Professor Charlie Beckett
from the London School of Economics But, as Professor Charlie Beckett
from the London School of Economics says, they need to do
a much better job. says, they need to do
a much better job.

Yes, fake news could be
an opportunity for mainstream media Yes, fake news could be
an opportunity for mainstream media rather than its death knell -
the media you can trust not to lie, rather than its death knell -
the media you can trust not to lie, distort and make things up. distort and make things up. But the sad truth is
that lies are powerful. But the sad truth is
that lies are powerful. Fake and misleading stories can be
shared 10 times more than articles Fake and misleading stories can be
shared 10 times more than articles that debunk them, and falsehoods
live on because people that debunk them, and falsehoods
live on because people want to believe them or,
as one authority in the subject, want to believe them or,
as one authority in the subject, Adolf Hitler, once
wrote in 'Mein Kampf': Adolf Hitler, once
wrote in 'Mein Kampf':

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