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(generated from captions) increase the number of forces we have in the Middle East at this time.Donald Trump has polarised the world since being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. Ennahda acting Executive Orders. Some of the measures have angered many people around the world and millions of people speaking out. Among them is Greens leader Richard Di Natale who joined protesters in Melbourne yesterday opposing the President's controversial travel ban. Richard Di Natale joins us now from Melbourne. Welcome.Good morning.Just talking about the protests which you were a part of. Who are the protests directed at? Directly at President Trump or are you hoping that the Australian Government is listening as well?I think both. What we're seeing is a political establishment failing people, both here and in the US. Donald Trump talks about draining the swamp. He is the swamp. And what we're seeing in the States is a groundswell of popular opinion, a protest movement building. Here in Australia, we're seeing crowds come together to resist the hateful, divisive, fearmongering of Donald Trump, but also saying loudly and clearly to the Prime Minister of this country - it's time you took a stand. And people feel let down. I've spoken to a number of people, particularly people of the Islamic faith, who are saying - this is a Prime Minister who doesn't represent ordinary Australian people. People like us who are going about our business, making a contribution to this nation, and we've been abandoned by this Prime Minister. It's about time he took a stand. He recognised that Donald Trump is endangering peace and security right and around the world. And I think the time is long overdue for us to renegotiate the terms of the US alliance, which has become really a huge liability for Australia, rather than the asset it once was.So what stance would you like Malcolm Turnbull to take then to be more proactive? I know that in the past, you've said that you'd like to see him take a tougher stance against the United States, such as perhaps some European governments have? Well, we saw other leaders show leadership. I mean, we saw people, Germans, the French, indeed, in the UK, where the Prime Minister there instructed the Foreign Minister to pick up the phone and express their condemnation loudly and clearly to the US and here in Australia, we continue to be sycophants to the US aed minute station. What's required here -- U svelt administration. What's required here -- US administration. What's required here is leadership taking a stand and making it clear that the actions of the US are not in the world's interests. And if you have any sort of relationship with the US, you need to be clear when you believe thr' making a mistake.When you say that we should look a the alliance with the United States, do you say we should put it on hold for the four years that President Trump is in office or take a new path all together?I think that the time has come for us to take a new path. We saw New Zealand do that some time ago and they continue to demonstrate that it is possible for a middle power, a smaller nation, to stand on their own two feet. We'll continue to have a relationship with the US but at the moment, this is one way traffic. What we need to do is forge a new path, an independent path, one that recognises that our place is firmly located in Asia. We need to ensure that we don't join Donald Trump in goding the Chinese -- goading the Chinese into not only a trade war but a conflict over the South China Sea. We need to make sure that we're not part of an administration now goading Iran. When they made important steps towards trying to avoid conflict with that nation. No, this is a time in Australia's history where our national security is being compromitsed by a Prime Minister, and -- compromitsed by a Prime Minister and a political establishment that continues to be the lap dog of the US. the lap dog of the US. That continues to follow the US into conflict after conflict. Conflicts which have undermined central security here in this country and the time has come for the time has come for us to forge a new independent path.It's pretty clear that you're highly critical of the new US President. Nonetheless, do you, perhaps, share some common ideology with him, certainly as far as those people who may have been left behind by globalisation, in that he has scrapped the trans-Pacific partnership. You in the past have been critical of that? Absolutely, and we have been very critical of the Trans-Pacific Partnership because it is designed to further the interests of wealthy multinational corporations at the expense of ordinary people. And we have made no secret of the fact that trade deals that benefit the rich and powerful at the expense of our farmers and at the expense of manufacturing industries are not in the national interest. Trade is important, but it needs to be fair trade and it needs to be fair that furthers the interests of all people.What this sounds a lot like the rhetoric of Donald Trump.Except that what Donald Trump seeks to do is to pit one person against another. He's a man who seeks to create fear and division within the American community, indeed, right across the world. And while there might be some agreement about the fact that a trade that benefits multinationals at the expense of ordinary people needs to stop, that's where I think the alignment ends. The bottom line is that people are angry. At the moment, Trump has been known to exploit that anger by creating enemies out of Muslims and Mexicans and really the... The enemy here is people like Donald Trump. The rich and the powerful and the establishment who told us that free trade which benefits multinational corporations, that the wealth would imaginically trickle down to everybody else. That the wealth, lifting of the boats and all of that nonsense has been proven to be false and instead, what we need to do is start looking at trade that benefits all people. Fair trade. Trade that doesn't water down protections around the environment. Trade that can improve people's health. Ensure that we see labour standards improved rather p than watered-down. So that's the key here. And let's not for a moment pretend that Donald Trump is the solution to that. He's part of the problem. And as those of us on the progressive side of politics, is to forge a competing narrative that recognises and under stands why people are angry, but the solution isn't to pit Australian against Australian.Speaking of solutions, do you have one as far as the agreement to resettle refugees from Nauru and Manus Iceland in the United States? Still fairly unclear as to what the outcome of that will be. Do you feel as though the Australian Government should, perhaps, scrap the deal and start again?Look, there's a really straight forward response here and if Malcolm Turnbull was half the man that the people thought he was when they supported him in the early days of the prime ministership, he would scrap the deal and bring the people to Australia. We're talking about a few thousand people. People who have been traumatised. People who have broken no law. It is not illegal to seek asylum. In fact, we enshrine those protections in law so that people who are being traumatised, people who are being subjected to violence, have the opportunity to seek refuge in places like Australia. So our responsibility is this. These people have been in limbo and deprived of all hope for years. We could settle them in Australia. They would make an enormous contribution to the nation. We close down the camps which are basically sources of untold misery for so many people, that are costing the Australian tax payer millions of dollars and we could move on from the shameful episode in Australia's history.Senator Richard Di Natale, before you go, I did want to ask you about some internal politics within the Greens. It has been reported this past week or so that your fellow Senator has been quoted as saying that the Greens media profile has dropped since the election and that there's been a decline in preference support for the Greens. What's your response to that?Well, I think what Lee is reflecting is that what is happening around Australia is that people are scratching their heads at the emergence of people like Pauline Hanson and obviously Trump in America, and working our way through how to tackle the rise of the far right populism. And I think what you do, in terms of ensuring that we deal with that enormous challenge that faces this nation, is to try to recognise that there is a problem with the political establishment here and that's why when we return to Parliament, we'll be talking about how we clean-up our democracy. We make sure that we end the massive corporate donations that influence the decisions made in Parliament. We call for the establishment of a national anti-corruption watchdog. We'll be bringing on a motion in the Parliament to see whether the other parties are prepared to support what the Australian community want, which is a national watchdog to keep politicians honest. To strengthen entitlements reform. All of those things that help to clean-up politics and restore people's faith in the elected representatives that. 'S how you deal with it.It appears that Lee Rhiannon is looking like that, like with Bernie Sanders in the United States.It is hard with the noise when you've got voices in the Senate that express racist and bigoted views which are, of course, going to be picked up by the media. When you have a Senator that calls for more guns on the streets in response to the Bourke Street murders. And then of course, you're going to see the media be more interested in those stories rather than what we're offering, which is a positive, progressive vision for the country. Clean-up politics. Let's look at tackling the great challenge that exists at a time when Malcolm Turnbull is spruiking clean coal. Malcolm Turnbull was taking a leaf out of the tobacco industry's hand book. This is no different to healthy cigarettes. That's the way that you combat what's going on around the world. Positive, progressive policy and taking on the political establishment and moving to take strong action on climate change and reduce the big and growing gap that exists here in Australia. Between the rich and ordinary people.So behind the scenes, your party is united and Lee Rhiannon has your full support?Lee has made an enormous contribution to the Australian Parliament. Going into this week when the Parliament kicks off again. People will see that we are the genuine alternative to politics as usual. We are going to clean up politics. We're going to make sure that we get real on tackling climate change and get real on tackling that big and growing gap between rich and ordinary people.