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(generated from captions) As we've been reporting this morning, state and territory leaders will meet in Melbourne today to discuss renew qulabl energy and the national power market. It comes of course in the wake of last week's power blackout in SA. Chairing the meeting with the Federal Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg, who joins us now. Mr Frydenberg, good morning. Thanks for joining us.Nice to be with you.What do you hope to get out of this morning?First and foremost we are going to get a briefing from the Australian Energy Market Operator as to what happened in SA and the implications of it. It was a real wake-up call. We need to recognise the importance that are paramount of energy security to the country. What happened with 1.7 million people losing their power the dramatic consequences it has had for investment and business in SA is simply not good enough going forward. So we will be talking about battery storage, interconnect ors, about hardening the infrastructure to withstand specific weather events and we will be talking about the state-based renewable targets. You know what happened already care, that the primary cause of the blackout was the huge storm. I have always said that one in 50-year weather event in SA that led to 80,000 lightning bolts led to the grid going down. And the interconnectors being - having an electricity surge through them. So we will get further information. The preliminary report is in. There's still questions that need answers, but this will be an important opportunity for Ministers to get their briefing.You are calling for a national approach to setting renewable energy targets. The statest and territories have a range of different target and most of them are saying they're not for changing. So where to next?Those targets are really unrealistic. We have heard some of the state premieres saying they eer only aspirational, not the terrific polldies but -- specific policies. On the cost side we have seen today been reported that for Queensland and Victoria alone it will require an additional 41 billion dollars worth of investment to meet those state-based targets. Where is that money coming from? Where is that figure coming from? The Department of Environment has looked at the situation in those states, taking into account what would be put in place for renewable energy to meet the 23.5% Federal Renewable Energy Target and then looking at the difference after that to meet the state-based target.It's a big thing, though, the approach to renewable energy. Australia was signatory to the Paris climate agreement which we know in the last couple of days will take place. Why shouldn't there be this push to wind power, solar power and the rest?The first is we're committed to reducing emissions and we took to Paris very strong targets - 26 to 28% on 2005 levels by 2030. That was the second high nest the G20. We are committed to renewable energy. We have a legislated target of 23.5%.Until 2020. What happens after that?It goes out to 2030. At that particular number that you reach to 2020, so renewable energy will still be invested in going forward.But only at 23.5%. Why not increase that? This goes to the heart of what we have seen in recent days. When you have more intermittent power, particularly wind and solar, so when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not show shine, it does raise question of the stability of the system. That could be about the interconnectors and when the interconnectors go down there is a higher chance of a regional-wide blackout and you don't produce the frequency of the power at a consistent 50 hertz which you get with coal, hydro and gas. So they're some of the practical issues that we as Ministers have to look at to make sure that we have the right systems in place.Let's to our top story - the closure after 91 years of Ford making cars in Australia. We have had three years 'notice of this but that doesn't lesson the blow for the 600 workers losing their jobs today aflt. A lot of those people will strugglingle to find extra work. What help is available forthem? Is a sad day. I drive a Ford Territory myself and been a proud owner of Australian-made cars for some time. What we have to do is support thosework as much as we can. I know the Industry Minister Greg Hunt is doing that but we have to look for new opportunities to create jobs in Australia. Bearing in mind we created more than 200,000 jobs over the last 12 months and we have seen unemployment go down. That is cold comfort to those 600 workers as you say at Ford. The free trade agreements that we are building, the focus on innovation, the focus on looking for new industries where Australia is - has a competitive edge, when we look at afford ability of energy, electricity, that is critical to attracting investment. They're all the relevant questions that we as a government are focused on.Just to another issue - that unedifying stand-off raw between the Attorney-General George Brandis and Justin Gleeson, the Solicitor-General is getting worse. Fairfax is reporting that George Brandis reject his own Solicitor-General's advice on the same-sex marriage plebiscite and sought advice from the Howard Government's Solicitor-General. This won't end well for one of these men. Which woun should go? ThatThat is not for me to talk about the Solicitor-General, that is a matter for the Attorney-General, other than for me to say the Attorney-General is doing a fantastic job. He is not resigning, despite the Labor Party's calls to even up the score after Sam Dastyari's resignation. This is just a political ploy from the Labor Party to push and push and push this. George Brandis has given his version of events. He hasn't misled Parliament. She doing a frisk job. We wish you well with the meeting