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headquarters of the Australian Federal Police and the Garden Island naval base. He was arrested by counter-terrorism police outside his Western Sydney home this morning. An emotional Nova Peris has broken down while discussing her decision to leave federal politics. The outgoing Labor Senator slammed her critics saying non-Indigenous Australians have no right to attack her for retiring. The Coalition hat from
criticised her for walking away from politics after only a few years accusing her of abandoning her constituents. Craig McDermott has been found gill till of the 2014 murder of his partner. McDermott stabbed Fiona Warzywoda several times shortly after she visited her solicitor to discuss her relationship with her former partner. He pleaded not guilty on the grounds of self-defence.

Let's get the latest sports news now, here is Peter Wilkins with Grandstand.This evening, Parramatta's players insist they're a united bunch despite the constant off-field dramas. A star playmaker faces drug charges, the club is still battling the salary cap scandal and now one of their teammates wants out.You get used to it at this place. Not the ideal situation you want as a football team to deal with this stuff every week. Some things you can't really help.Hello, I'm Peter Wilkins. This is Grandstand.

This is Grandstand. It's good to have your company. Parramatta's season from hell has deteriorated even further. After losing three players to the salary cap drama, forward Junior Paulo wants to leave the club just days after being photographed having dinner with a teammate and some known criminals. That fellow player Corey Norman is himself waiting to face court charged with drug offences. Ben Worsley reports. If competition points were awarded for controversy, Parramatta would be unbackable favourites.Another day, another drama.Yeah, exactly right. The Eels play Newcastle on Monday but at today's media call, not one question was asked about the game. place.
You kind of get used to it at this place. Always stuff keeping us busy certainly
off the field.Corey Norman has certainly been busy. In the space of a few days he was warned by police against consorting with possessing
criminals, then charged with possessing drugs. His teammates are unflinching in their support. Absolutely. He's a real close mate of ours. He is an important part of our team and this club. Our job as players is to make sure we show him there is love and support for him. Innocent until proven guilty as far as we're concerned. We will let the other
matter progress as it does.The other Eels player in that photo appears to have had enough of Paulo's
trouble-plagued Parramatta. Junior Paulo's agent has told the Raiders he is keen to move there immediately instead of waiting until next year when he is contracted to start in Canberra.He of
is a great player. He's got a lot of skill about him, a tough kid. He's here definitely next year but if he comes sooner, then that's a bonus for us.Junior is here, business as usual for us as far as we're concerned. He is here for training, here for work. That's how we treat it.As it stands, Paulo and Norman are listed to play for Parramatta on Monday. The turbulence at Parramatta is unabating with Norman to face court and Junior Paulo wanting out. That's the backdrop for an abbreviated round of NRL as we head into State of Origin 1 next week. To look at some of the key match-ups and the issues, it's welcome back former NRL and English Super League coach Stuart Raper. Good evening. Junior Paulo, do you let him go or play hard ball?I wouldn't. They still have things to play for at that club, their fans, sponsors, and the players themselves. You want to finish off on the right thing. He is contracted to the club. If I'm Arthur, I wouldn't let him go. Corey Norman, do you agree with that stance? Innocent until proven guilty.We set a precedent before, we have to be careful on judging people before the courts go through their process. Having something future.
come out that may change in the future. I think that's the way to go.No doubt you'd back the League's stance of warning the players just as the police did for That's
being seen with known criminals? That's commonsense, isn't it? You've got to look at - the players these days are such high-profile, in the media, throughout Australia, you have to be careful who you associate with and be a little bit smart about it.The State of Origin, the NSW halves, one half of that right last week but they did leave Mitchell Pearce out, expected in many quarters. How do you think his replacement will go? Adam Reynolds?It will be a tossup and I think Adam Reynolds is a justifiable choice. He is a smart Footballer. He has the best kicking game in the League. He puts the ball in the spot. My only concern is he is only a small guy so got two small halves but certainly heas he is a tough character. He has played in big games before. I know he hasn't played Origin but he has played grand final, semifinals, smart footballer, with the kicking game. With him and Maloney, could help NSW.On one hand, got the NSW side with five new faces. Not half as experienced in State of Origin terms as Queensland. Queensland picking a couple of old stages, what's your gut feeling about what we'll see?The same old story with Queensland. They'll stick with the troops that's done the job in the last 10 years or so. That's justifiably so. NSW, I think there had to be some change. A little bit concerned about Moylan at fullback, he has been a talent at

he has been a talent at Penrith, I always worry about Dugan at centres. I like the size of the forward pack, Klemmer coming off the bench. 20 minute mark when the props get tired, they will probably rattle the cages of the Queenslanders - hopefully.From a Queensland perspective, do you back the selection of a player like Nate one
Myles, not quite at his best and one or two others?It's worked in the past. Year in, year out, they select guys who have been loyal to them. Something we do differently. His form hasn't been great but they'll stick with the tried and tested players.The Dragons against the Cowboys, a depleted Cowboys. Do you think Benji Marshall has creative juice left in the tank? Let's hope so. They've been structured this year, Benji is part of that, he is different to what he was when he first come on. They've struggled to score tries. They know that, their coach knows that, the players know that. Being a little less structured in the way they play may help the Dragons. The Cowboys with so many players out, a great opportunity to get the two points. I hope Benji doesn't stifle gar et Widdop.Lachlan Cootes, pressure goes on him in the absence of Michael Morgan, Johnathan Thurston.A lot of responsibility on his shoulders. You will see him with his hands on the ball a lot more than he would normally do. May not link in the back line, he will rally his troops a bit more and will take that senior role. He is a talented footballer, having a good season.The Cowboys, the Broncos and the Sharks have set themselves this
apart as the teams this year. Is this a match that the Dragons can win or the Cowboys, do you still think, are that far ahead even with the absences?I think the Cowboys could struggle with the key players out. The Dragons, especially at home, could be an opportunity. We will see sides could make a difference through the Origin period when they have players out. The Raiders look better with Blake Austin on the park. They are up against the Dogs this weekend.It has been unfortunate for Austin, his season has been hampered by injuries. He has been off and on. He is one of the best running five-eighths, especially his size, hard to tackle one-on-one. He really inspires the Raiders. I expect him to come out and have a big game, especially at home. He seems to play well at Canberra.The Bulldogs have had an up and down season but one player who has been in form, Josh Renata, he will have to recover from missing out on the
Origin selection and keep pressing the claims.Canberra will be hoping it is not sour grapes and come out fighting. Scored a spectacular try last week, one of the best individuals tries we have seen this year. His enthusiasm is what leads the Bulldogs around the park. He probably was unlucky to miss out on Origin but he will be looking to spur the Dogs on. Obviously hopefully one eye on the Origin because if there is a fault in the halves, he may be the next cab off the rank.On the transitional front, Konrad Hurrell is a player on the move.Yeah, going to the Titans. A surprise move but there will be a clean-out in the Warriors. They have been Majorly disappointing, big signings, had some injuries but some of their regular players that have been there for a long time haven't aimed up, Konrad Hurrell has been one, hopefully he can do something different for the Titans.Stu Raper, we will see you next week, looking forward to the Origin. Thanks, Wilko.

The Maroons are playing down injury concerns surrounding Johnathan Thurston as he eased into training on the Gold Coast today. Thurston was restricted from taking part in any contact work but is expected to be fit for Origin 1 next week. He helped steer the Maroons to a decade of dominance but as the Queenslanders mobilise on the Gold Coast, Johnathan Thurston's sore hip has him on light duties.Just a bruise, he'll get over it. It's JT. He has come back from worse things than that.He said he was good. Still a little bit restricted but we are still a long way from game a
time.Thurston's hit was injured in a tackle from his Origin teammate Josh McGuire.They are talking now. I told him if he doesn't get hit, he will kick the fold goal.Greg Inglis has been moved back to Billy
centre.Not disappointed at all. Billy Slater may be helping repair the team for game one but no long-term coaching ambitions.I'm cleaning the boots and filling the water bottles at the moment. Hopefully not.Wayne Bennett is looking to guide the depleted Broncos to victory against the West Tigers tomorrow night.We will find out tomorrow night how good the depth is. It will be a challenge well.
for us, Tigers will be keen to play well.Jayden S'ua and Tevita Pangai will debut with Adam Blair as captain.Another debut for me. Jahrome Hughes will play five-eighth when North Queensland meets St George Illawarra on Saturday night. Richmond recruit Chris Yarran has been granted indefinite leave from the AFL club to undergo treatment for a mental health condition. The Tigers medical staff have decided it's best for Yarran to receive treatment outside the club. Yarran the
moved from Richmond to Carlton at the end of last season but is yet to flay a game nor the - - play a game for the Tigers due to injury and personal leave.For Chris, his health and wellbeing is No.1 for us. However long that takes, that's up to Chris and his practitioners. 25-year-old's
Richmond has no time frame for the 25-year-old's return to football. Australian Nick Kyrgios has booked another Grand Slam match against Richard Gasquet after thrashing Dutch player Igor Sizsling at the French Open. Sam Stosur had

Kyrgios took only 70 minutes to win his match.When he's got that inner calm, he will play his best tennis. Nick Kyrgios was in control as he made short work of world No.123 Igor Sizsling.COMMENTATOR: Just raw power.The 21-year-old sent down 11 aces and hit 35 winners.I like that play.Really happy with the way I performed today. I thought I found my form from the back of court and I returned a lot better today than the first round. With his place at the Olympics in question, Kyrgios was on his best behaviour.
behaviour, handing a point to his behaviour.Good of Nick there.The Canberran will receive a much tougher test in the third round against the ninth seed Richard Gasquet. The pair have played at Wimbledon the last two years. Kyrgios saved nine match points before winning in 2014 but was accused of not trying during a game know
when he lost last year's match.I know how tough it is to play against him and win against this he's
guy. I like to play against him, he's a nice guy.Sydney's Jordan Thompson toiled away for 4.5 hours before losing the fifth set 12-10 to Ivo Karlovic. Andy Murray booked a date with Karlovic after surviving a another five-setter. That is top quality from Andy Murray.It was straightforward for Sam Stosur who beat doubles partner Shuai Zhang 6-3, 6-4. Wallabies coach Michael Cheika has pulled out plenty of surprises in test
his 39-man squad for the upcoming test series against England. Former captain James Horwill earned a recall after missing out on last year's Rugby World Cup while Karmichael Hunt and back-up Brumbies scrum half Joe Powell were among 10 uncapped players to get the nod.Just sent an email through.(LAUGHS).He said everything in the email. Just said looking forward to having you on board.I thought it was a joke. I only got it 20 minutes ago. I told look
one of the boys and asked them to look at it because I thought it was a joke and Bernie said it was for heal real.The - - for real. The squad will be trimed to 30 before FC
the first test on June 11. Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold is expected to make widespread changes to his squad after it was eliminated from the Asian Champions League. The Sky Blues drew their second leg round of 16 match against Chinese argument Shandong - opponent Shandong Luneng last night but the on
2-2 draw meant Sydney lost the tie on the away goals rule. Around rn a's team - - Arnold's team led twice but their fate was conceded in the dying moments.This is a disappointing time for the players supporters.
who worked so hard, fantastic supporters. Sydney FC fans probably deserved a little bit better beat
tonight but it took a great goal to beat us.Arnold concedes changes are needed within his squad to fulfil his quest of getting Sydney FC to the top of the A-League. It was a huge commercial success but Australia's cricketers are still sceptical about day/night test matches. Cricket Australia wants two tests under lights this summer while the players want the pink ball to dramatically improve. If you are going to keep throwing grass on the wicket to look after a cricket ball, I don't think that's true test cricket. I think the ball has come a long way. I think Kookaburra are doing great things with it but it's got to come further so we are not preparing wickets to protect the ball. Mitchell Starc will make his return from injury in a 1-day tri series against West Indies and South Africa over the next month. That's the program, see you soon.The top stories this afternoon, a 24-year-old man has been charged with terror-related offences. Farhad Said is accused of preparing for a terrorist attack targeting government buildings. Outgoing Labor Senator Nova Peris has slammed her critics, saying non-Indigenous Australians have no right to attack her decision to leave federal politics. Craig McDermott has been found guilty of the 2014 stabbing murder of former partner Fiona Warzywoda. The court rejected McDermott's claim he was stabbed
acting in self-defence when he stabbed her in front of dozens of witnesses. ReturnCommunity energy projects like solar and wind farms are sprouting up across the country but consumer advocates say progress is being hampered by legal hurdles and red tape. They've now launched a marginal seats campaign to push for a better deal. From the roof top of an inner city brewery to a bowls club and a dairy farm. Across Australia, community groups want more power over their power.We are installing solar panels on roof the brewery, Young Henrys. They will consume the energy and pay us for the use of the solar panels.Got a big roof span so with this community power, it's just them, we are not forking out any money ourselves.The community group Repower Shoalhaven is behind the dairy farm and bowling club projects. It hasn't been easy. Trying to overcome all of the legal, ASIC, accounting, there are so many hurdles and so many obstacles.The community power agency's modelling shows $140 million over four years could unlock at least $1.5 billion in community energy projects. It believes the issue can win votes and the campaign will target politicians in marginal seats.Of the 70 groups, 24 of them are in marginal seats and 47 of them, so Coalition-held
well over half, are in Coalition-held electorates.The Government says $250 million in loans is available through the Clean Energy Finance Corporation and there's an extra $5 million for solar projects.We have $250 million for low-income solar, energy efficiency and community housing. And we have the 50 local solar communities projects around the country.Debt and equity energy
respect a barrier for community energy projects. What we need is early-stage funding and the cutting of red tape.Labor has commited $98. 7 million over four years. The Northern Territory Government and the Commonwealth have been in talks with a Darwin-based Aboriginal Corporation about how to manage its financial difficulties. Larrakia Nation runs key outreach services for Indigenous and homeless people but it's struggling to keep the services going because of growing debt.Legs in.Larrakia Nation's night patrol roams Darwin streets every night attending to brawls, drunken behaviour or just giving people lifts across town. Thank you, brother.But the federally-funded program may stop. Larrakia Nation's other program, Return to Country, which sends long-grasses back to their community, has been out of action since early this year.There's been some hiccups administratively over recent times so we are working with Federal
them to try and fix that.The Federal and Territory Governments have been locked in talks with Larrakia Nation's board in recent weeks to resolve the corporation's financial difficulties.Has to make sure it is not trading insolvent, because obviously that's illegal. We need to make sure it has the are
capacity to deliver on programs. We are quite keen to support them to get up and running again.Larrakia Nation's interim CEO, who has only weeks,
been in the role for a couple of weeks, says while this is an exaggeration, the organisation is in debt.We are considering voluntary administration but we want to go down all avenues in the spirit of self-determination, self-management so we can resolve this problem ourselves.He says to Country
it's mostly because of the Return to Country program which was set up by and with an up-front investment from the Territory Government with the expectation it would become financially self-sufficient.The Return to Country program was flawed in its methodology because once they got home, they could just ring up Centrelink and stop the payment. Someone had to pick up the cost irespective. We ran at a loss of over $600,000 for the year to keep this service available. Larrakia Nation wants the Territory Government to pay for that cost but the Chief Minister has rejected the notion and instead says, if financial matters cannot be resolved, then he will give the Return to Country program to another provider.But we can come up with the management plan, we've got the most trust from the long-grasses and the other people in the community. That'd be a travesty of justice if he tried to give it to another provider. Larrakia Nation says it's currently installing new operational programs and staff training to improve its financial reporting. Australia's first piano which arrived on board the First Fleet in 1788 has been donated to a considered
university in WA. The instrument is important
considered one of the most important in the country. Charlotte Hamlyn explains. This piano is the first instalment in an extraordinary collection of 130 historically-significant pianos to be gifted to the WA Academy of Performing Arts. It is an English square piano, an instrument made in 1786 that arrived in Australia on the First Fleet beat 'The serious'. laundry
After a decades-long stint in a laundry in a farm in Windsor, it ended up in the hands of the collector Stewart Simons.They kept soap powders and washing lick yds on it. But the children in the house had been for generations the same mantra - don't damage it, don't hit it hard. It's very old. It came out in the First Fleet.It is unbelievably significant that such an extraordinary collection should be housed here in Perth. This is so exciting. We can hardly contain ourselves.Sadly this piano isn't yet in working order but WAAPA Professor Jeffrey Lancaster has another year, same model, so here is a taste of what it will sound like eventually.

The University now plans to track down restorations experts from around the world to get this piano back in working order as part of that process, it will offer its students.
instrument restoration courses to

A rare copy of Shakespeare's first folio and three following editions nearly $5
have sold at auction in London for nearly $5 million. The previously-unrecorded first edition of the Bard's works was published by his friends in 1623 and contains 36 plays.Sold,.The folio sold for $3.8 million. At roughly 800,000 words, his words are worth $400.87 each. An anonymous collector bought all four folios. There's money in writing, don't give up. Time for rain
the weather with Graham Creed. Some rain for SA?Yes. We have got a flood watch for the Mount loftie Ranges. Looking at the potential of 25-50mm through the Mount Lofty Ranges region. A cold front is moving through SA during Friday. Strong and gusty winds with it. The winds will be felt in the remain der of the south-east, particularly Victoria and NSW. Also western parts of the York Peninsula and potential
Kangaroo Island looking at the potential of 50mm. Potential ease
rainfall through NSW, that will ease off as we move into this evening and tomorrow. The next frontal system will bring another burst of shower activity during Friday night and then through Saturday through the south-eastern areas. Some substantially cooler air beginning to move through with that as well. That may see worthwhile snowfalls about the alpine areas of NSW and Victoria as we move into Saturday. A pool of quite cold air moving through with that frontal system. Across the south, Tasmania only looking at patchy light falls. Also got another front moving towards south-west. Friday will be clear frost
but looking at the potential of the
frost about parts of the inland of

Thank you, Graham. Thank you for Taguchi. See
your company this morning. I'm Kumi Taguchi. See you at the same time again tomorrow. Have a safe and happy evening.

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A Sydney man fronts court being terror plot
charged for being a part of a terror plot to attack Government buildings. Labor Senator Nova Peris's emotional farewell from her
politics and some parting words for her critics.Until you are an aboriginal person, do not criticise me for the decisions I have made. The PM reaffirms his position that Britain should remain part of the EU despite some harsh words from a Conservative British MP. And Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are filing
again in the spotlight with Ms Herd filing for divorce.

Thanks for joining us, I'm Kirsten Aiken. A quick look at tomorrow's weather, first:

A Sydney man arrested on terrorism charges is understood to be linked to alleged plots targeting Government buildings. Farhad say yeed was arrested by counter terrorism police outside his Bankstown home this morning. The 24-year-old is charged conspiring to conduct an act in preparation for a terrorism act. Far heed say yeed chose not to appear when his court was heard briefly here in central court in Sydney. A Legal Aid solicitor appeared on his behalf and said his client wouldn't be a required to appear on the video screen and wouldn't be applying for bail today. What that means is that his charges will now be bundled together with those of to
his co-accused and he will return to court in June and in the meantime he will remain in custody. Now we are starting to get some details about Farhad Sayeed. He is his
a 24-year-old man and arrested near his home in Bankstown this morning by State and Federal Police working as part of that Joint Counter Terrorism Team. He has been charged with conspiring to do an act in preparation to commit a terrorist act. Now, we understand that Sayeed has a number of co-accused, a group of men facing similar terror charges and who are already before is
the courts. What we know about them is that they are charged with various offences including formulating documents designed to facilitate a terrorist act. And previously, Federal investigators have alleged that in relation to that group, those documents outlined plans to target Government buildings like the AFP headquarters in Sydney or the Garden Island Naval Base, also in Sydney as part of this alleged plot. Quite a serious set of circumstances here. Outgoing NT Senator Nova Peris has given an emotional defence of her decision to quit politics, saying no-one should judge her. She was speaking at a Sorry Day event in Darwin with the Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. It was her first public appearance since announcing her surprise retirement this week. Guarded by the Labor leader, Nova Peris faces the media pack for the first time this week. The Labor Senator announced on Tuesday that she's not contesting her seat in the Federal election. Nova Peris broke down, speaking about being the first aboriginal woman to become a Senator.Three years ago I walked into Parliament as the first aboriginal woman... And until you are an aboriginal person, do not criticise me for the decisions I have made.After only issuing a statement announcing her retirement, she was asked why it took so long to publicly explain her move to Territorians. The outgoing Senator said she didn't have to enough her decision.I'm sure you don't go around every single day justifying the things you have to do. Listen to me, I am a politician but I'm also human. She also didn't address reports she's leaving politics because she's in line for the AFL's top indigenous job.This decision that I have made has been on family and I have to look after my children. Aboriginal people haven't had to share true moments with their children.This is Nova Peris' first public appearance since announcing her retirement on Tuesday. She is here with Opposition Leader Bill Shorten on his tour of the NT here at a Sorry Day event at the water gardens. Nominations are now open for Nova Peris' replacement at the top of Labor's Senate particular in the Territory. Pat Dodson was also election nearing in Darwin and hopes an indigenous person will take over.The more indigenous people we can get in Parliament the better.Nominations close on Friday.

Labor has confirmed it won't restore the Schoolkids Bonus or roll back changes to the age pension assets test if it wins Government, despite repeatedly complaining about both. The Opposition was forced to clarify its position after an awkward interview with one of its frontbenchers late yesterday. The Government meanwhile is drying to limit the damage from comments by its Agriculture Minister linking the live cattle ban with asylum seeker boats. The PM's in prime cattle country. Malcolm Turnbull is sandbagging seats in central Queensland and part of his sell record high cattle prices.I give Barnaby the credit for it, basically doubled over the last few years.Barnaby Joyce has spooked more than cattle after last night's regional debate in Goulburn.When we close down the live animal export industry, it was around about the same time that we arriving
started seeing a lot of people arriving in boats in Australia. Please.This morning he tried to deflect questions from the travelling press pack.Michael! Michael! Michael, Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael.Before the PM control.There
went into diplomatic damage control.There is no link between the Indonesian Government and people smuggling. I think President Jokowi is a great leader. He is in fact an inspirational leader. Barnaby Joyce is loose and dangerous.Labor's been forced to clean up a mess of its own.Will Labor keep the Schoolkids Bonus? It? The baby bonus?Schoolkids Bonus?You would have to refer to our relevant shadow. I've been a little distracted over the last few days.The relevant shadow Chris Bowen has confirmed Labor won't restore the Schoolkids Bonus despite complaining about its abolition for years and won't roll back the changes it condemned to the age pension assets test.We do not believe in all responsibility that we can simply reverse the changes they are making.We have flushed them out, we have exposed them.This is the fight the Coalition wants. It wants to cast hypocritical
Labor as reckless with money and hypocritical for campaigning against cuts and then adopting them. This brawl is set to continue with the debate against the Treasurers on Friday and a leader's showdown on Sunday. The PM Malcolm Turnbull has described the unrest in the remote Far North Queensland community of Aurukun as a law and order problem. About 20 teachers were flown out of the
the troubled town last night for the second time in a month because of safety concerns. On Tuesday night, children as young as six and tried
threw rocks at the school and homes and tried to steal cars. Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is heading to Aurukun and spoke to Mr Turnbull this morning.As you know, we've provided funding for CCTV there but it is a law and order issue to be managed by the Queensland police. But clearly we are very alert to the problems and of this,
we don't want to make politics out of this, this is a law and order issue and the Premier will such support as she seeks, we will look at and work together with Queensland and the community there to resolve those matters which clearly there is an element of the adolescent kids there in Aurukun making
who are not going to school and making a lot of mischief. That needs to be dealt with.Distance education is now being provided to the children in Aurukun but local women fear they will become disengaged because of the disruptions. Usually there are eight police officers in the town but that number has since increased to 21. Melbourne man Craig McDermott has been found guilty of murdering his former partner Warzywoda in 2014. The 33-year-old mother-of-four was stabbed to get in broad daylight in Melbourne's west one day after a court refused Craig McDermott access to his children. Our reporter Liz hop day was in court for the verdict. There were gasps and crying. Fiona a's Warzywoda's family and friends have sat through the entire proceeding. Outside court here is what they had to say.Family violence should no longer be tolerated. No person should experience what Fiona did. The real victims are Fiona's four children, our nieces and nephew. They have been left without a mother, guys, that's the part that's really hard. Fiona Warzywoda was stabbed in broad daylight in Sunshine in 2014. Craig McDermott pleaded not guilty on the grounds of self defence. During the trial the court heard Fiona Warzywoda had been her partner of 18 years and was the mother of his four children. The court also heard that Fiona Warzywoda got an intervention order against him and the day before the killing a court has suspended Craig McDermott's access to his children for three months. Now there will be a plea hearing to determine the appropriate sentence for Craig McDermott and there will be a sentencing hearing at a later date. Three people with alleged links to the Mongols outlaw motorcycle gang have been charged after early morning raids on two Melbourne homes. A 26-year-old man was escorted from a rental property at Seabrook in the city's south-west by officers from the anti-bikie squad. Police say they seized this bikie vest along with ammunition, 3D printers, equipment for making guns and a small amount of drugs. A 27-year-old woman was also taken arrested during
into custody. A second man was arrested during a raid on a home at Oakleigh south. The raids were part of an ongoing investigation into perverting the course of justice.

The police officer in charge of the Sydney siege negotiators has told an inquest he had four weeks negotiation training and a course that covered Islam 101. The negotiator said he had never handled a terrorism incident before the 2014 siege and the highest with
number of hostages he had worked Jamelle
with was three. Court reporter Jamelle Wells has more. He was part of a team of negotiators working during the siege. He was in charge of that team and he said there were four of them near the Lindt Cafe but he said there were also other negotiators sent to a 000 call centre on the NSW Central Coast and he said there were negotiators looking after intelligence gathering during the siege. This negotiator was asked about his he
background and what sorts of work he had done previously and he mentioned he had mostly been involved in domestic incidents such as kidnappings and suicides and never dealt with a large group of people. The largest number of hostages he dealt with was a group was
of three people and he said that was in a domestic situation. He said his training started way back in the '90s and he said over a period of about three years he had done a total of about four weeks training in police negotiation and he said most of that was at the Goulburn police academy. Now he did say he had done a couple of refresher courses in counter terrorism, they were back to about 2001 and he said he had done what he called a 101 course in Islam. Now he said what happened there was someone came in and gave police a talk about the Islam religion. He said it was a very, very brief course and when he started his training, not much was known in Australia about that religion. The Tasmanian Treasurer has handed down this year's Budget, delivering the first surplus for the island State in seven years. Reporter he will even Coulter is outside State Parliament. The Tasmanian Treasurer Peter Gutwein handed down his Budget. He delivered a surplus of $77 million but that isn't expected to last over the forward estimates. It's expected to drop to less than $8 million the following year 2018-19. The
before heading back into deficit in 2018-19. The total spend for the Budget is $5.5 billion with almost 30% of that going to health. An energy crisis created by record low dam levels and a broken Basslink connector has hit the finances hard. It's meant a write down of $100 million in revenue for Hydro Tasmania. That is the reason for an expected decline. The cost of Tasmania's summer bushfires is also being counted. So far sitting at more than $30 million. Now for the day's business and finance news, I'm joined by Peter Sumner, a portfolio manager with the NAB. Hall to you Peter. There wasn't much in the way of macro economic you
data released overnight. What do you think was driving the positive tone in offshore markets?There was a bit of data in the US which was manufacturers
the PMI index with what manufacturers are doing in terms of purchasing. That came out positive. The US market finished about 0.7%. The European markets were stronger. That seemed to be driven by a deal which has been struck, we believe, with Greece on their debt and restructuring of that where the IMF is likely to rejoin the workout there. It seems to have backing of the Central Bank in Europe. The other things which seem to be driving the market, energy is stronger. What they are seeing is that maybe the summers will be warmer in the US and as a are
consequence of that, energy stocks are likely to be drawn down and maybe push prices up a bit. The bond auctions in the US in terms of the 5-year bond auctions have been very well supported, given the positive yields there versus their European counterparts. So that seems to have been a positive overtone left over in the market. Domestic capital expenditure numbers were released today. Do you think it had much of an impact on terms
the stock or currency markets?In terms of the market, we saw the market finish up by 0.3% driven by mining, metals and energy. We saw that rebounding and commodity stocks. But the ABS data is on the private component of the market. The outlook seems to be weak but that's been expected as a function in
of that rebalancing we are seeing in the mining sector so the capital expenditure there is expected to be negative. The ray of light has been the service sector which reversed from a negative number to a slightly positive number and we are seeing good employment growth there. Again that left an overtone of positiveness in the market and that's also ahead of an election which is coming up. Good news there as well.Peter Sumner, good to talk to you.Thanks very much, have a good evening.

Malcolm Turnbull is standing by his comments that the UK should vote to stay in the European Union. The British MP who heads the Australia and New Zealand parliamentary group has blasted Mr Turnbull, comparing Britain's position in the EU to Australia having a political union with Indonesia. Our Europe correspondent Steve Cannane reports. Andrew Rosindell is around 130 Tory MPs who want to leave the European Union. Instead he would rather closer ties with Australia and is not impressed with Malcolm Turnbull's support for the remain campaign.Come on Malcolm, when Asia?
will you have free movement with Asia? This is ridiculous.Andrew Rosindell thinks Malcolm Turnbull is arguing against Australia's best interests.Australia is a country with whom we have most in common with around the world together with Canada and New Zealand. We should have much closer relations in terms of trade and cooperation and free movement with those countries like Australia rather than Europe. This is crazy.What I've said and so has President Obama, so has the PM of Canada and so has the PM of New Zealand, what we've all said is that while the choice is entirely a matter for the British people, of course, we all believe that our countries benefit from Britain being part of the EU.But Australia's High Commissioner to negotiate a
the UK says Australia is about to negotiate a trade deal with the EU and it's in our national interests for the UK to remain inside the union.It really is to our advantage to have a country that, for example, favours free trade, that supports the sort of international security paradigm that we support, the rules based international system at the heart of the EU.With less than a month to the vote, both the remain and the Leave campaigns are doing all they can to sway voters.Yes! Meanwhile Andrew Rosindell has one final message for Malcolm Turnbull. Malcolm needs to listen to the British people on this issue and not necessarily take the line from No. 10.The British people will have their say on June 23.

New Zealand's Parliament went into lockdown this afternoon, after a suspicious vehicle drove on to the Parliament forecourt. A ute adorned smoke
with antigovernment signage had smoke coming from it and a witness said he saw a man try to light a on
flare in the ute which had a tank on the back. People were told to keep away from the windows and were not allowed to leave. Those restrictions have now been lifted. man
New Zealand police have confirmed a man was arrested and the country's annual Budget will proceed as planned tonight. The Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton has been criticised by investigators over her use of a private email address while she was Secretary of State. A State department report declared she violated the rules, giving more ammunition to her political opponents. Donald Trump is facing his own problems, with more angry protests at his rallies. North America correspondent Michael Vincent reports. For a second day, police and protesters have faced off at a Donald Trump event. The billionaire remains focused on his opponent.She's as crooked as they come. She had a little bad news today, as you know, some reports came down, weren't so good. But not so good, the Inspector-General's report, not good.Hillary Clinton campaigned in California as if nothing had happened.He's going to make the economy slow down in addition to the very mean-spirited do.
and destructive things he wants to do.The Inspector-General looked at Mrs Clinton and four other Secretary of States finding she and others breached protocol by using personal emails.We could have done a better job of preserving emails of Secretary of State and senior staff going back several administrations.What Secretary Clinton did was consistent with other secretaries of State had done, including Colin Powell. Hillary Clinton maintains she did nothing wrong in using her private email server for official business but thousands of emails were deemed to be private in nature and deleted. Others remain classified and the perception that secrets are being kept means this has remained an issue and given ammunition to her political opponents. The real investigation that's
worry for the Democrats is the FBI investigation that's still underway. If it finds any criminal campaign
wrongdoing, Hillary Clinton's campaign for the presidency could be fatally damaged.

Two new lava flows have broken out at Hawaii's volcano, one of the world's most active volcanos. The outbreaks are on the same side of the volcano that caused evacuations two years ago. Neither is thought communities.
to be threatening to nearby communities. It has been erupted for nearly three decades. A day after his latest attack on Barnaby Joyce, Johnny Depp and his wife are back in the spotlight as Amber Heard files for divorce. LA court documents cite irreconcilable differences. They have been married for 15 months. They appeared in this widely mocked video after smuggling their dogs into Australia.I'm truly sorry that Pistol and Boo were not declared. Protecting Australia is important. Declare everything when you enter Australia.Despite their disagreements, the Deputy Prime situation.
Minister wouldn't make light of the situation.The one thing I will never, ever revel in is any relationship break down, no matter what animosity that might be seen on the airwaves between Mr Depp and myself. I always hope and wish the very best for people and I would never, ever revel in something like that.Barnaby Joyce there. Now it's time for the sports headlines with Georgie Tunny.

Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold has been quick to wield the axe following the Sky Blues elimination from the Asian Champions League. Eight players have been dumped. They join three others released by the club. Sydney FC missed out on finals in the A-League. It leaves the under-performing squad with just 15 contracted players. Parramatta's horror season has deteriorated further with yet another off field drama drawing unwanted headlines. After losing three players to the salary cap crisis, Cory Norman is waiting to face court charged with drug offences while Junior Paulo wants photographed
to leave the club days after being Norman
photographed having dinner with Norman and known criminals.Knowing normy, nothing much phases him. He seemed all right in the gym. It's not difficult if you don't read about it, listen about it or talk gossip
about. None of us sit there and gossip about it. We come here to that's
train and we come here to play and that's what we're paid to do and Monday
that's what we will turn up to do Monday night.Richmond recruit Chris Yarran has been granted indefinite leave to undergo treatment for a mental health condition. They said it's best to receive treatment outside of the club. Yarran moved from Richmond to Carlton but is yet to play a game for the Tigers due to injuries and personal leave. And Wallabies coach Michael Cheika has pulled out plenty of surprises in his 39-man squad for the upcoming test series against England. Former captain James Horwill will return. Karmichael Hunt and back up among
Brumbies scrum half Joe Powell were among ten uncapped players included. Thanks Georgie. Time for the weather now, here is Graham Creed.We have another frontal system to move into SA tomorrow. It will bring the potential of localised heavy rainfall, 25-50mm about parts of the Yorke Peninsula and mount love ranges. A flood watch has been issued for the Mount Lofty Ranges. This rain will fall on already soaked catchments. If we see river rises, they will be about the minor level but we are in for heavy falls down into the south-east of SA. We have a band of cloud sitting through the northern parts of SA, NSW and Queensland. This will become quite patchy overnight tonight and tomorrow. It will dissipate as well. We are not expecting to see much in the way of rainfall in association with that. It's this frontal system that is going to trigger heavier falls through SA. There is another front set to move up towards the south-west of WA but for the most part it will remain relatively dry. After recent fronts and clear skies potential
overnight, we are looking at the potential of frost about parts of the south-west inland. Now as we move into the eastern areas, a few showers about the west, south and east of Tasmania. A few showers about the ranges of Victoria, a similar scenario for NSW, a few patchy showers about the northern border. As this system moves about SA, we will see thunderstorms about Western Victoria and southern parts of NSW. Even the chance of some localised hail in with that. We have got cold temperatures and that could see snow dropping to 1,200 afternoon
metres in Victoria through the afternoon as that colder air moves through and around about 1,300 metres in NSW. But on Saturday the bulk of the rainfall moves through NSW. Not producing much along the coast again, it's the central and southern slopes more likely to see worthwhile falls. Even around the Alpine areas, variation between the forecast models, sore suggesting snowfalls up to 15 sent Middle Easters but others suggesting light falls at this stage. Thanks, Graham. Thank you for your company here on ABC News. Stay with us, The Drum with Julia Baird is coming up next.

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Hello, welcome to The Drum, I'm Julia Baird. Coming up - asylum seeker policy raises its head again during the election campaign. We'll take a closer look at what the major parties are saying.

Is there ever a good time to say goodbye. A defensive Nova Peris depends off questions about the timing of her decision to quit politics. And the 18th National Sorry Day. Has anything changed?

Joining me on our Thursday night panel, publisher of Mamamia Women's Network Mia Freedman. Political Editor at ABC News Radio, Marius Benson and refugee lawyer at UN NSW at the Kaldor Centre, Madeline Gleeson and Greg Sheridan. Now the issue that keeps rearing its head. One major party keeps prodding it awake and the other would rather it stays asleep. Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce brought the issue firmly back into focus last night during the Regional Leaders' Debate. He made a link between the closure of the live cattle trade in 2011 and the increase in the number of asylum seekers heading to Australia by boat.Might I remind you when we closed down the live animal export industry, it was around about the same time we started seeing a lot of people arriving in boats in Australia.You do realise you are suggesting the Government then unleashed the boats in response?I think it's absolutely the case that we created extreme bad will with Indonesia when we closed down the live animal export.The Minister tried to step back from his comments but it was left to the PM Malcolm Turnbull to hose down the mess.I'm not saying that this caused the Indonesians to start sending people across. I never suggested that. What I did clearly suggest, it made it difficult, gave a real degree of difficulty in how we negotiate with Indonesia and after that point we needed all the reason to negotiate with them because 40,000 people made their own aring meant and arrived here by boat.You are being unfair to my good friend the Deputy Prime Minister here. Let me be clear about this, there is no link between the Indonesian Government and people smuggling. What we've had to do is recover a lot of damage that was done to our relations by the Labor Government when they precipitously and exports
suddenly stopped live cattle exports to Indonesia.I think it's a really, really ignorant remark. When he starts weighing into foreign policy, I think he should best leave that to the grown-ups in the room.The Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has not had it all his own way on the issue of asylum seekers, though. In fact polling shows that it's one of the issues that continues to dog the Labor Party for about three reasons. First, because of its own support for offshore detention. Second, because of wider support for the Coalition's border control policies. A Newspoll published in The Australian this week found 48% of people think Malcolm Turnbull is more capable of handling the issue compared to Bill Shorten's 25%. But when it comes to the crunch, while it's a subject that polarizes, it does not rate as a top priority. Newspoll found when voters were asked to rate issues of importance, asylum seekers came in at number eight with fewer than 50% of people rating it as important. Finally, because an SBS Essential poll found 59% of Australians think the level of immigration over the past decade has been too high. Even though 63% of people think that overall, migrants have made a positive contribution to Australian society. Madeleine, you have written a book in which you have looked into extensively Australians' attitudes to offshore detention, to our as
treatment of asylum seekers as well as to migration. How do you explain these discrepancies?That's the thing with numbers and statistics, you can get anything if you want to put it the right way. Most members of the Australian public don't know what's happening offshore. They don't really know what's happening in terms of turnbacks and they don't know...Do you think? There has been a lot of publicity?There has been publicity on certain snap shots. Where is the leadership that said OK, this is what the issue is, this is where we have gone wrong and this is what the answer will be. We hear what's gone wrong and two parties with almost identical policies. What we never hear is what are we going to do now, how Sheridan, what
are we going to fix this.Greg Sheridan, what do you make of this? You argue in your column today it's the opposite of the case in the Australian electorate, they are being cleverer than we think?Look, I think there is no real paradox in the Australian public's view. They overwhelmingly support legal immigration. We have one of the in
largest legal immigration programs in the world. They are opposed to illegal, unregulated immigration. Nothing surprising about that. You look at the crisis afflicting Europe today and the Australian public doesn't want an uncontrolled inflow of people into our borders on an irregular basis. It's a the Coalition.
consistent vote-switching issue for the Coalition. The mystery in this campaign has been why Malcolm and
Turnbull has made so little of it and so little of the issue of terrorism. Because it's an issue on which the voters back the Coalition's policy, as evident from Labor imitating that policy, and it's an issue on which people have been prepared to switch their votes in past elections.You said in your piece today that the Coalition is planning to run a scare campaign on this, saying were they to vote for Labor, refugees would fly back in. scare campaign.
You say this is justified and yet a scare campaign. What do you mean by that?Yeah, well, I think it is justified. Let me say, of course, I am over Weppingly in favour of a large genuine refugee settlement program.How large?I would be happy for it it would be 26,000, double what it is now. The first issue I got involved in was supporting the Vietnamese boat people to come to Australia. I want it to be orderly, I want the people to be chosen by the Government. Now the campaign the Coalition will run in negative advertising at the end of the campaign period is it will say if you elect Labor, you will get the boats starting up again. believe
There is every good reason to believe this is true. This was an incredibly tough policy which Tony Abbott implemented, very difficult to bring off. I remember, I can reveal this, he told he was going do
to turn back a boat, I said don't do it, it's impossible to do. John Howard thinks he couldn't have done it. Now in order to maintain it, you need a Government...You are saying you advised Tony Abbott to response
not turn back the boats?I did.His response was?His response was he didn't take my advice.You are feel
saying John Howard did not ever feel confident he could achieve that policy?John Howard has said to me that he didn't think if he had had to come back after Labor achieve
unravelled the policy he could achieve it a second time. He did it the first time but once the policy had been unravelled and the boats all
started all over again, it would be all but impossible to stop them. Now the Abbott Government and Turnbull Government has continued these policies, has succeeded in stopping the boats. To do that you need a very resolute Government because the minute the people they
smuggling industry spots weakness, they start going again. They can't go at the moment because the people won't pay the money for a product they can't deliver. Now with 30-odd Labor candidates having expressed opposition or deep moral unhappiness with the Labor Party's policy, which is essentially the Government's policy, there is every office
reason to think they would blink in office and it would start again. Maybe not, maybe that wouldn't happen but it's within the standard deviation of political debate for the Government to put that. I think - I'm surprised they haven't put it more strongly already. I believe it advertising
will figure in their negative advertising in the second half of the campaign.Given, Marius, how burnt the Australian electorate has been by things said before election campaigns of recent years and things that have been delivered, it's not the question remaining the
will both parties behave exactly the same way they are vowing to do on this issue once they were elected?The danger for Labor is that people think the Coalition is fair dinkum about stopping the I'm
boats and Labor didn't do it. If I'm fair dinkum about it as a voter, I will vote for the Coalition. Greg is right, it's a vote changer and a scare campaign being run closer to the election. I'm sure it will be. People are critical of Barnaby Joyce today say he's gone off message and this is a terrible mistake. Barnaby Joyce is crazy like a Fox. The net result about
politically is everyone is talking turnbacks
about asylum seekers and boat turnbacks and they are also talking about the live cattle trade. Neither of those are positives for Labor, they are positives for the Government. I'm sure Greg is right the
we will hear a heck of a lot about the boats closer to the vote.Mia, there was some discussion this week, Roger Cohen, a columnist from the New York Times was in Australia and observed the debate, spoke to a lot of people and wrote an excoriating column in which he said it was Australia's shame, it was a deliberate policy of cruelty and mocking the fact that it could be called something as an dime as offshore processing. What do you make of that?I mean he advice rated us in terms of Australia and as an example of what Europe must not do and the inhumanity that Europe must not apply to refugees. You know, I think that one of the most - one of the best points he made in that New York Times piece was turning back the boats themselves was the first part. The act
second part was the border security act which came into effect a year ago which basically shut down any Manus,
information coming from Nauru or Manus, so it means that we've got no images, none of the social workers for are or medical professionals, if they see child abuse, they can't tell anyone or they risk going to jail. That is covering
what we are doing, we are literally covering up, supporting the cover-up of child abuse and potentially heinous human rights abuses. If you look at the effect that the image of that child washed years
up on the beach did a year, two it was
years ago, whenever it was, I think it was about a year ago, that Which
changed the whole conversation. Which goes back to your point.A lot of the Australian population think out of sight, out of mind. Next - I'm not surprised to see it's number eight on the list.It's been put as a choice between this is inhumane against the argument against the Government and the alternative is deaths of thousands at sea.Which is absolutely true but the difference and Labor's done it, it's best to muddy the waters, between
no pun intended, to blow the lines Coalition's
between their policy and the the difference
Coalition's policy on refugees. But the difference they have, they talk about what are we going to do with the people on Nauru and Manus. We want to re-settle them.They don't know where. We saw the talking paper
points on the front page of the paper today from the Labor Party saying on this issue just make sure our policy is exactly the same as the Liberals.Exact words of the talking points left by David Feeney on the desk. We have the same policies as the Liberals on stopping people smugglers and Mr Turnbull knows it!That's what Labor wants to get across.Our policy is driven by a determination to stop people drowning at sea. If I can go back to the remarks Barnaby Joyce made. Marius said domestically this has asylum seekers back on the agenda. What of our relationship with Indonesia? We already have Natalegawa saying it was a shocking response. Adam Harvey tweeted it today.Julia, I've known Marty forever, he is a gallery
great guy but he plays to the gallery over this. There is a bit of by play that both countries do with each other over this sort of closest
stuff. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's so happy
closest advisers told me they were so happy we had stopped the boats because it was no longer an issue within Indonesia and that meant they didn't have to respond to it. he
If you pass his comments carefully, he didn't say there was a causal relationship but the broader thing is undoubtedly true. I've never seen a single decision by an Australian Government which caused more damage to the relationship with Indonesia than stopping the live cattle exports because unlike other diplomatic incidents which are insults or something, this threatened the food security of a large slab...Which is what Barnaby why
Joyce is saying. Can you explain why you think he was not making any causal link. I know he has been But
saying that was not the case today. But that was certainly a clear imputation?He didn't say that. He lot of
said about the same time we got a lot of boat people.Inescapable, Greg! Inescapable. Can I read out what he said.Let me answer the question you have asked me Julia. cluck
If it walks like a chicken, it cluck like a chicken.He said a little while later we got a large inflow of boat people. It is the case, as someone who has covered this issue for 30 years, the Indonesians were immensely pissed off with Australia and had no in than sen tiff do us any favours. They have got a hundred things more important to do. They traditionally have had a very weak legal framework around people smuggling, they have traditionally not taken any enforcement mechanisms, they never deploy a boat to the south of air archipelago. Corrupt policemen have been deeply involved in the people smuggling trade. Now in the light of the cattle export decision, they had zero incentive to do anything to help us and it's characterised
fair enough to say that that characterised the circumstances in which they made decisions about how they would respond to people Characterise the
smugglers a few months later. Characterise the circumstances in which they made those decisions. You too are making - it's a step back but nonetheless a causal link. I'm a Foreign Editor. Barnaby is a populist politician.But you are essentially saying the same thing? Absolutely. Our relationship affected the way the Indonesians responded and our relationship was tremendously hurt by the live cattle export.The live cattle ban came in in 2011. In 2010 the number of asylum seekers coming from that direction to Australia was 6,500, 2011 it was down to 4,500.A few months later it went up again. They were not disposed to help us.I want to move on to ask Madeleine, because I don't want to leave this subject before we talk about the asylum seeker who tried to take their own life on Nauru, yet another case, a fourth similar incident this month where she set her apartment on fire, was rescued by a security guard. Given our current political circumstance, we have the party saying we have the same policies on this, what's the best to be hoped for in terms of improving the conditions for these people?I think we've gone well beyond the point where there can be improvement of conditions offshore. I think that's clear. While it's being cast that it's only Labor looking to maybe offer hope to these people, I think the reality is both parties have now recognised these centres are unsustainable and looking for a way out. Both of them done
realise that something has to be done in Indonesia as well. With all due respect, Greg, I'm not sure the to
biggest insult Australia has done to Indonesia was over these exports. I think there are many very serious problems with turnbacks. We gloss over them a lot. I mean that involves incursions into Indonesian sovereign waters. If we are talking about priorities to Indonesia, then the security of their maritime area is way up there very high.I want to go to domestic politics. Labor Senator Nova Peris gave an impassioned defence of the timing of her decision to quit politics, more than two weeks into the Federal election campaign. Word spread earlier that the Olympic gold medallist and Young Australian of the Year winner would not re-contest her NT Senate seat. In a defensive press conference, Ms Peris said she made the decision for family reasons and asked people not to judge her.Three years ago I walked into Parliament as a first aboriginal woman and until you are an aboriginal person, do not criticise me for the decisions I have made. This isn't easy, it's just
hard.She's been a champion, not just for indigenous Australians, but for women and indeed for the Territory. She's been and champion on the track, she's been a champion in the Parliament. I wish Nova, my friend, the very best in the future and I have to also say the fact that she is prioritising her family at this point in her life also reflects another attribute which she is too modest to say but I want to put on the record. I reckon Nova Peris is a great mum as well.Mia this
Freedman, how did you respond to this press conference?I mean you can't help but have your heart go out for Nova Peris herself but it tradition
made me feel that the ALP has this tradition of trying to get high Maxine
profile candidates, we have had Maxine McKew, we have had Peter Garrett, Cheryl Kernot, we have had Nova. It hasn't worked. They just - it's like the party eats them or political life eats them. I think that too right Bill Shorten has to get out and try to look like he's standing beside her. They are trying to recruit more and more of these people all the time, both parties are, but it's not looking like a particularly friendly place for people who have not grown up as politicians.Is that what you think? There were reports about conflicting
other Labor people in the NT about
conflicting with her, many comments about internal fractions within the ALP. Are people being too tough on her by saying it was terrible timing two weeks into an election campaign and after just three years?I think people should be tough on the ALP. It's this star recruiting business that is a political tactic and people aren't soon
suited to the political life and soon find out and if you can't stand it after three years, there is no obligation to stay in, there is no criticism of her. But the ALP can think through its selections. Trish crossan called Nova Peris's resignation a selfish distraction. What did you make of that?That was not particularly gracious. You cannot watch that press conference looks like
and not feel for Nova Peris who looks like a nice person. I don't accept the proposition that because she is an aboriginal woman, she lives to a different standard than any other politician. I don't see anything wrong with resigning politician,
whenever you feel like it as a politician, that is fine. If you were going to criticise Garrett Evans when he got out of Parliament after being elected, you say I don't criticise Nova Peris because she is an aboriginal women, that is silly. All other aboriginal politicians want to be treated with just as much respect as any other would say
white politician. The other thing I would say is although Labor has partly
failed in its star recruits, it is partly the fault of the star recruit. If you can't buckle down wine
to political life, which is not all wine and roses, you are allowed to have conflict within a political party. That is the business, what do you expect?You are saying Cheryl Kernot, Peter Garrett, Nova Peris are too soft and looking for wine and roses?I don't want to criticise them all like that but I'm saying if you want to go into politics and expect you will be treated like a celebrity in the way you were beforehand t is hard to adapt to the culture of a political party if you haven't grown up in it. That's part of the challenge of entering politics midlife. Look at Malcolm Turnbull, he went from PM.
being a merchant banker to being a PM. It didn't phase him at all.No, one
you're right, it did not phase him one little bit. What do you make of the comments that Greg made?I find press
them problematic. If you watch that press statement in full, she is not saying I want a different path because I'm an indigenous Australian, it is National Sorry Day today and when she lays out her full reasons and her background, she rightly says there are a lot of reasons linked in with that and don't judge me until you understand them. That is a sentiment we all get, until you have walked in my shoes, don't pass judgement. The reasons were very much linked with her identity and with her family. She is saying you don't understand, connection
for me it's important to have a connection with my children because didn't
a lot of indigenous Australians didn't get that right.You can only imagine the tone of some of the got
abuse and criticism that she has got that we will never know about and Greg you couldn't possibly know about as a comfortable white man Cut it out, she hasn't got any abuse from me.I'm not suggesting it's from you.I judge everybody the same.You might but there are a lot of people out there, their abuse and criticism of Nova Peris would be wrapped up in her indigenousness and in her being a woman and in her mothering and Bill Shorten as much as alluded to that. Nova Peris did give us a stark aboriginal
reminder of what it is to be an aboriginal woman on the very day we commemorate National Sorry Day. It's not easy to wake up every morning and bounce out of bed and pretend that life is fantastic because it isn't. Aboriginal people have no inherited wealth, they have inherited pain.National Sorry Day was created 18 years ago out of a recommendation from the Bringing Them Home Report to serve as a reminder of forceable removals and its effects. It seems little has tabled.
changed since that report was worsened.
tabled. In fact the situation has worsened. The group Grandmothers Against Removals say in 1997 there were more than 2,700 aboriginal are
kids in out-of-home care. Now there are more than 15,000. In October 2014, the Federal Senate passed a motion recognising that the unprecedented rate of child removal in NSW alone risks creating another stolen generation. It's something that we don't talk about much in an election campaign usually, Marius Benson. Marcia Langton wrote a piece saying it has been absent. Why is it indigenous issues aren't stitched more to broader policy platforms, to innovation, to the economy, to all those kinds of opportunities?In an election votes
campaign because they don't move votes and election campaigns are about moving votes. You hammer particular parts of the electorate with particular issues. In broad terms, if you look across indigenous history over the past 18 I
years, there have been some gains, I don't have the stats. I know when people talk about it, they talk about improvements in areas of education and some areas of health. I'm surprised about the figures given about the level of removal. I'm surprised that is still the Isn't
case with aboriginal children. Isn't that the concern we are surprised by these numbers. I've spoken to doctors who say there is comparable situations they have seen in some parts of Australia a
like a war zone. I'm sure it shocks a lot of us, there is not the right attention, we don't look into the facts.It's not an ignored issue. Like throughout the period of my political consciousness from before Whitlam, there has been a lot of attention to indigenous issues and a lot of fatal attempts to improve circumstances, some genuine gains. It's certainly 18 years down the track, you don't just celebrate Sorry Day, already is a lot to be sorry about still.There were feisty words from Noel Pearson recently about the failure of governments to address this, about the faith he put in to Tony Abbott's to push this along, given Tony Abbott's prernl input that didn't translate. Which impetus for change, perhaps we are becoming complacent about these shocking statistics?I don't think either party, it's a very, very difficult policy area. I mean, with the stolen kids thing, the problem is though what does the welfare worker do with a child who is in serious in
danger? I mean a lot of Noel's work in the past has said you much prioritise the safety of the wife terrible
and the child who are subject to terrible abuse and that does require removing them sometimes. The other thing is I have a general critique, although I have the Pearson,
greatest admiration for Noel Pearson, he is a wonderful man, I don't think the symbolic agenda has been that good for aboriginals. You need to show the nation loves them and cares for them. When you put too much effort into a symbolic agenda, it just reinforces empty symbolism and what we are very short of is practical things that work on the ground. Now some of the things Noel has pioneered such as withholding welfare payments or making them in non-monetary form and all that sort of thing, they have been tried, they haven't worked well either. There isn't a lack of money but it's a difficult problem and I think the Australian people would support anything that acted beneficially.Let's leave it there. Thanks to our panel night Mia Freedman, Marius Benson, Madeline Gleeson and Greg Sheridan. ABC.com.au always has more. Tracy Spicer will be joining you tomorrow. This program is not captioned.

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This program is live captioned by Ericsson Access Services. Tonight - the Federal Government reassures Indonesia after Barnaby Joyce links Australia's live export ban with the people smuggling trade.We have a very good working relationship with Indonesia, the Deputy PM's comments have been clarified.Also ahead - a Sydney man fronts court charged with being part of a terror plot to attack government buildings. The PM reaffirms his position that Britain should remain part of the EU despite some harsh words from a Conservative British MP.And on Grandstand, innocent until proven guilty for Parramatta's Corey Norman, the Wallabies with a few surprises and the Sydney FC clean out after ACL disappointment.