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This Program is Captioned Live by CSI Australia Meanwhile, France strikes back with bombing raids on an Islamic State stronghold in northern Syria. In Turkey, G20 leaders push for stronger global action against terrorism, including tightening border controls. New Zealand's Ross Taylor makes history with a record-breaking innings at the WACA. Hello, I'm Gemma Veness. A quick look at tomorrow's weather:

In the past few hours, French police have reportedly carried out raids in various locations across France as the investigation into the Paris terrorist attack widens. Fresh media say police anti-Terrorism units carried out raids in Toulouse, Grenoble and at least one Paris suburb. Meanwhile an international search is under way for a 26-year-old man French police is believed connected to the attacks. Salah Abdeslam was reportedly stopped by officers in the hours after the attack but then let go near the Belgian border. Wanted and hunted, a 26-year-old Belgian. Police believe he was involved in the attacks along with two of his brothers. He is one of Belgian connections emerging as authorities piece together what happened.TRANSLATION: These appalling attacks which hit us on Friday were prepared abroad by a team from Belgium and, as the investigation will show, with accomplices in France.Two of the attackers were French citizens living in Belgium, prompting police raids and arrests across the border. Two cars used by the gunmen were rented in Brussels. One of the attackers has been named Omar Ismail Mostefai, a Frenchman. Police were aware of his links to radicalism but he was only known to have committed minor crimes. The French response extends far beyond Belgium. Thousands of kilometres away, the Air Force has dropped 20 bombs on Raqqa in Syria, the Islamic
self-declared capital of Islamic State extremists who have claimed responsibility. But the prospect of further attacks by Islamic State has France on edge. A false alarm saw people flee a vigil at the Place de la Republique. Parisians have returned to the sites of the attacks all day. Families and friends mourning their loss alongside strangers sharing their grief at makeshift memorials. A formal farewell at the Notre Dame Cathedral. These are national days for mourning and national days for solidarity.We must work for peace of the country.TRANSLATION: We must have hope. Life has to go on. The fallout from the attacks is both personal and political. The possibility that one of the attackers entered Europe alongside the hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers fleeing the Middle East is threatening Europe's unity on house to manage the migrant crisis. The fears have been prompted by a Syrian passport found near one of the suicide bombers. Its owner was registered as having passed through Greece last month. But the European Commission has warned against conflating the issues.The one who is responsible for the attacks in Paris cannot be put at equal foot with real refugees.A difficult issue that's become all the harder. France has retaliated by Islamic State
dropping 20 bombs on the Islamic State group's stronghold Raqqa. The US expect s France's air strikes will be the start of a greater role in the fight against IS in Iraq and Syria. They're the biggest air raids yet by French forces in Syria against Islamic State Jihadists. 12 fighter jets launched simultaneous attacks from bases in Jordan and the UAE, dropping 20 bombs on Raqqa, an ISIS stronghold in Syria's north. They reportedly destroyed a command post and a training camp. The attack was carried out in coordination with the US.We're confident that in the coming days and weeks, working with the French, we will be able to intensify our strikes against ISIL in both Syria and Iraq to make clear there is no safe haven for these terrorists.The retaliatory strikes come as world leaders neat in Turkey.It's become even more clear our safety and security depends on degrading and ultimately destroying ISIL, whether it is in Iraq or Syria. The British PM hopes to Vladimir
convince Russian President Vladimir Putin to refocus Russian air strikes in Syria to target Islamic State and leaders at the G20 Summit acknowledge defeating ISIS will involve a long campaign.We don't have ground forces there in sufficient numbers to simply clean the
march into Iraq and Syria and clean the whole place out.The French air raids come a few days after Kurdish forces re-took the Iraqi town of Sinjar. Islamic State captured Sinjar last year and killed thousands of members of the minority Yazidi religion. Kurdish fighters have since uncover ed two mass graves, one of which held the bodies of almost 80 elderly women. TRANSLATION: Just after the liberation, we immediately went to this spot and we discovered the mass grave.Most of the surviving Yazidis still live in camps in the Kurdistan region. Thousands more remain in Islamic State captivity. With the bells of Notre Dame ringing out across Paris, people have taken to streets to honour the victims. Many returned to the sites of the attacks to share their grief at makeshift memorials. Barbara Miller sent this report.They will not be broken. That's the message coming loud and clear through all the shock and grief the city is going through. Hour by hour, their numbers grow at the Place de la Republique. It was here crowds gathered in the wake of the 'Charlie Hebdo' killings. Now they're flocking here again.For me, there is not another place where I can really express my feelings and express my solidarity. It's only here, Place de la Republique. In the wake of the attacks, authorities have announced all public gatherings and demonstrations are banned until at least Thursday but it is a message the people of Paris are not listening to.I live just up the road. The last two days I have just been walking, coming here, coming to the sites which are just to our right there, just trying to understand, I suppose, what's happened on my doorstep.Florian Landrein, a 23-year-old student, stayed at home for the best part of two days after the attacks.I did not feel like I wanted to go out. I just needed to think. Yeah, maybe I was a little bit scared. I didn't want to take the subway or the train. (Bells toll)At Notre Dame, the bells tolled for the dead. The Paris land mark closed in the wake of the attacks but opened its doors again for a memorial service. Paris is mourning but it's doing so publicly. The French spirit alive and well. This is the scene in the French capital right now. Parisians are returning to work on the second national day of mourning after the coordinated attacks across the city that killed 129 people. As Barbara Miller was saying, hundreds of people have laid floral tributes underneath the Bastille monument, a symbol of French pride. The French President is expected to attend a minute's silence at the city's Sorbonne university later. We will bring more developments as they happen. Dozens of candlelight vigils are being held around the country. In Sydney, a service will take place at St Mary's Cathedral with the NSW Premier expected to attend. For a third day, Australians are paying their respects and honouring the victims of the Paris terrorist attacks. You can see behind me the Sydney Opera House which will again be lit up this evening in the colours of the French flag, blue, white and red. It will be a third night we will see the Opera House illuminated in that way. We have seen buildings around the world lit up in those colours as people pay tribute. Another way Sydneysiders have been honouring the victims is church services. Yesterday, hundreds gathered at St Andrew's Cathedral in Sydney. The NSW Premier said it is pornts communities come together. The French flag flies Harbour
over Sydney atop the Sydney Harbour Bridge, as another tribute to the victims of the terrorist attacks. It flies alongside the Australian flag, a reflection of our two nations' solidarity as the world comes to terms with what has happened in Europe. Another service will be held in Sydney this evening, this time at St Mary's Cathedral at half past 6. The NSW Premier will again be in attendance and the Cathedral has invited members of the community to come and pray together. The Islamic Council of Victoria has worked with police and the State Government for years to steer young people away from radical groups and ensure they don't get involved in terror attacks like those in Paris. The Council's Kuranda Seyit spoke to our reporter Kuranda
Margaret Paul. I'm joined by Kuranda Seyit. Thank you for joining us. First of all, what's the Islamic community of Victoria's response to what happened in Paris over the weekend? Well, we were in utter shock with the rest of the nation. It is a despicable act that I think has rocked the whole international community and something that very disturbing. The amount killed, the deliberation and the planning of the attack is very disturbing. Our con dolens s are with the families, the victims and we hope we can work harder and closer to try and avert these issues in the future.What's the likelihood of an event like that taking place in Melbourne? The community in Australia is very different to Europe. The complexities and politics of Europe are far, far different from here. I think, by and large, the Australian authorities have worked really well and closely with the Muslim communities as well as other communities.What kinds of projects are the most effective here? We need to really address this at a grassroots level. Families are pivotal to this. We need to support parents in identifying some of the factors that are leading to radicalisation and giving young people a sense of direction and hope. They are vital parts of the, I suppose, solution to this problem.Dozens of flowers and messages of sympathy and support for the French people are being laid outside France's honorary consulate in South Melbourne. A candlelight vigil will take place in Federation Square tonight with those in attendance encouraged to wear white. As news broke of the attacks in Paris, Melbournians began pouring out their hearts. Among the tributes being left at the honorary consulate are messages of sympathy and support. One saying France is a brave country full of passion Vive La
and dedication. Plenty saying Vive La France. There is a very Australian demonstration of defiance against those attackers who visit ed such terrible violence on the city of Paris. Over the last two nights, as elsewhere in the world, many of Melbourne's most iconic landmarks have been lit up in the Tricolore of the French national flag including the State Parliament, the MCG and the arts centre in solidarity with those who died. This evening at Federation candlelight
Square there will be a candlelight vigil, sadly 10 months after there was a 'Charlie
similar vigil following the 'Charlie Hebdo' attacks this year. People are encouraged to wear white and have the Peace for Paris symbol painted on their shirts as Melbournians join in on that demonstration of compassion for the people that died in these attacks after such terrible violence was visited on Paris.We will bring you some live pictures of that vigil in Melbourne in the next hour.Now for the day's market news, I'm joined by Sean Callow who is a senior currency Australian dollar
strategist with Westpac. The Australian dollar and local equities are down today. Does it seem to be in response to the Paris attacks? There was a little bit of reaction on the open. The financial markets in New York were just about to close when the headlines hit. They had 15 minutes of trade left so there wasn't time for markets to respond then. The Aussie did react at the opening but not substantially, only a quarter of a per cent down to 71. The equity markets were really down across the region. We did have a late rally in China but often the Chinese market trades on its own so, for the most part, the reaction was reasonably muted. Overall, as far as the equities are concerned, they pretty much just matched the falls that had already occurred in the US stock market before the attacks.What might the attacks in Paris mean for the European economy? I think it will have a lasting effect. If you think really that the ECB was already considering loosening monetary because
policy at its December meeting because of downside risks to the economy, it was mostly concerned about what was happening in emerging markets but certainly there was also that slight disappointment in Q3 Eurozone GDP so I think when you've got this sort of threat, the concern over further could
terrorist attacks, that it could have a real impact on consumer spending, whether it's directly in shops or the events. Obviously the big soccer match that was going on there. There will be a lot of tension over there. All the extra government spending on security which could be spent will
on other things so I think it will be a clear and persistent negative for the European economy.Is the US Federal Reserve likely to use the Paris attacks as an excuse not to raise interest rates next month? We will hear from them this week a couple of times. For the most part, they've been playing down global risks since September when they were focused on the Chinese stock market turbulence. That was a reason they cited for holding steady there. For the most part, it sounds as though they are still on track to raise rates in December. We haven't heard from them since the attacks but they do seem to be focused very much on the domestic economy and the strong jobs numbers that they got last month, so most likely they will proceed with that rate hike.Sean Callow, thank you.You're welcome. Lebanese security forces say they've arrested 11 people in connection with last week's bombings in Beirut that killed 44 people. A government spokesman says the detained include seven Syrians and two Lebanese. Islamic State militants have claimed responsibility for the twin more than
suicide bombing that wounded more than 200 people. Kurdish fighters have uncovered two mass graves outside the northern Iraqi town of Sinjar after driving out Islamic State militants last week. One grave is said to contain the bodies of 78 elderly women. A second grave held the bodies of up to 60 men, women and children. Islamic militants overran Sinjar in August last year killing or enslaving thousands of Iraq's Yazidi minority. The UN has described what happened in Sinjar as possible attempted genocide.French rail company SNCF says five people remain missing after yesterday's high-speed crash in the country's north-east that took 11 lives. The company revealed children were aboard when the carriages derailed at 350km/h despite the trip being intended as a trial run. A local prosecutor says sabotage hasn't been ruled out but is considered unlikely.World leaders are on the drink of making a unified statement against the spread of deadly terrorist attacks. They've paid tribute to the victims of the attacks in Paris with a minute's silence at the G20 summit in Turkey. Political correspondent Greg Jennett is covering the meeting in the resort city of Antalya. If the world looks to its leaders to unite and act in the face of threats, it need look no further than here. Presidents and Prime Ministers are meeting across the deadly waterway from Syria near to the scene of the brutal Ankara bombings and within days of the horror in Paris. They will make a statement against terror. It's to
the what and the how that needs to be worked out.Malcolm Turnbull's to the left of centre and right at the apex of great powers. He, the US, China, Britain and others meet in the glare of public view to carry a torch for decency.The skies have been darkened by the horrific attacks that took place in Paris just a day and a half ago.They want the G20 to find its voice on security matters but the language it uses is also important.Our response needs to be robust but always within the rule of law otherwise we will only fan the fire we are trying to put prevented its
out.The embers in Paris prevented its President coming to the G20. His Foreign Minister is standing in.The people of France have our deepest sympathy and our resolute solidarity in the face of this shocking terrorist attack in Paris. It was an attack on all of humanity. It much as it
was an attack on our freedom as much as it was an attack on yours.The G20's final communique is due out later today. If it does make a strong statement against terrorism, or even name Islamic State, that would mark an evolution for an organisation that was set up to deal almost exclusively with economic and financial threats. It would also acknowledge the fact that there is a need for a response to other confidence-shattering, more violent threats, too. The G20 summit is due to resume for the second day in Turkey shortly. Today talks are expected to turn to the migration crisis in Europe. European nations and G20 host Turkey will push for the issue to be recognised as a global problem. But there is likely to be opposition to financial help from China, India and Russia. However, leaders of the world's major economies will probably all agree to step up border controls and aviation security in the wake of the Paris attacks. UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon will visit North Korea's capital Pyongyang this week according to South Korea's would
Yonhap news agency. Ban's visit would be the first to the isolated State by a UN Secretary General. The reports are yet to be confirmed but Yonhap quoted a senior UN source. Ban Ki-moon has been attending the G20 summit in Turkey. The UN spokesman's office in New York declined to comment. Aung San Suu Kyi has been mobbed by journalists following her pro-democracy party's landslide election victory. Suu Kyi is constitutionally barred from top political office but has vowed to rule above the next president who she will select following her National League for Democracy's formidable win in this month's polls. The NLD bulldozed the current army-backed ruling party in polls that were set to reshape the political landscape in the country. The transition of power will be slow with the legislature returning for a final session that will last until at least the end of January. Among the scenes of grief and solidarity in Paris, a musician has made his own moving tribute near the streets Davide
of Bataclan Concert Hall. Davide Martello drove all night from Germany, then towed his piano by bicycle for his rendition of John Lennon's 'Imagine'.

On Facebook, the musician called on all street performers in Paris to stand together and play for peace. Time for the sports headlines with Niav Owens. New Zealand batsman Ross Taylor has recorded the highest Test score by a visiting batsman in Australia on day four at the WACA. The Black Caps were dismissed shortly before lunch but not before reclipsing the Australians' massive total. Taylor finished 10 runs short of a remarkable triple century but it was still the fifth highest Test score in Australia. He also became the second fastest New Zealand batsman to reach 5,000 Test runs.COMMENTATOR: He has played one of the great innings. History will remember it and record it.The Black Caps held a first innings lead with a day and a half left to play and were able to get a couple of early breakthroughs against the Australians in their second innings before Steve Smith brought up another Test half century a short time ago. The World Anti-Doping Agency has begun its appeal against an AFL tribunal decision to clear 34 past and present Essendon players of doping. The case will be re-examined whether Essendon players were injected with banned peptides as part of the club's 2012 supplement program. The long-awaited appeal will be decided by three arbitrators and is closed to the public. Not going to talk about the Thank you
case except to the arbitrators. Thank you for your interest, though.The hearing is expected to take about a week but a decision is not expected for several months.The Socceroos say the security surrounding their trip to Dhaka won't affect their performance in their World Cup qualifier against Bangladesh have
tomorrow.The players and staff have been excellent in terms of that. They've allowed the people in charge to get on with their job. We have been able to focus on ours. I think from that perspective it hasn't been too difficult.Australia are second in their group with four wins while Bangladesh remain winless after six games.Novak Djokovic has thrashed Kei Nishikori in the opening ATP Tours final match in London 6-1, 6-1. Six-time winner Roger Federer also got off to a winning start with a 6-4, 6-2 victory over Tomas Berdych. It is time now for the weather, here is Graham Creed. Thunderstorms are producing most of the cloud across the continent at the moment. We have had them widespread through Queensland where severe widespread
thunderstorm warnings were widespread through the day and we also saw widespread hail with some of those storms. Also had thunderstorms move through the Darwin area. We have got a weak trough moving through SA and a weak front and trough moving up towards the south-west of WA. As we move into tomorrow, the major feature on the charts at the moment is a pool of very hot air sweeping in towards the south-eastern states. It will remain milder during the east coast. That all changes from Wednesday on, we start to see very hot conditions developing. Fire weather warnings and fire bans to part of Victoria and also into SA for tomorrow. This trough will also trigger the potential of a few showers and possible thunderstorms through parts of Tasmania. That activity is expected to be fairly light and isolated. As it moves a little bit further east through the day, perhaps the north-eastern ranges of Victoria and the far southern border districts, particularly the Snowy Mountains, looking at the chance of shower or storm as we move into tomorrow as well. Showers and thunderstorms should contract a little bit more towards the coast of Queensland, particularly around the Central Coast and into the tropical coast.

Wednesday will still see warm conditions across the south-east as that northerly wind flow continues so very warm conditions through SA and into NSW. Thanks for that, Graham. Just to update you on the situation in France, the Prime Minister Manuel Valls has said more attacks are still being prepared, not just in France but also in Europe and could hit again in days or weeks to come. He also said the Friday attacks were planned from inside Syria. We will keep updated throughout the evening here on ABC News 24. I'm Gemma Veness. That's the news for now. The This program is not captioned. This Program is Captioned Live by CSI Australia Hello, I'm Julia Baird, welcome to The Drum. Coming up - the French carry out air strikes in Syria and raids at home as the hunt continues for those responsible for Friday's Paris attacks. Western allies consider how best to contain the IS threat with PM Malcolm Turnbull suggesting a role for Australian peace keepers. And what is the value of symbolic gestures in the wake of tragedy? We'll ask our

And joining me tonight, we have former Foreign Minister Bob Carr, in Canberra the host of ABC Radio AM program and long time defence correspondent Michael Brissenden, journalist and author Franz Beckenbauer and also in Sydney former NSW Greens candidate Osman Faruqi. You can join us using the hash tag the drum. Anti-terror raids are taking place in France as the country responds to its most deadly assault on home soil since world war two. Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the Paris attacks which have so far killed 12 t people and wounded more than 350. Seven terrorists are dead and an international man hunt under way for suspect Salah Abdeslam who was stopped by police in the hours after the attacks but then let go. In retaliation for the bloodshed French President Francois Hollande launched major astrier, on Syria dropping maker Brahms on Raqqa.We all expressed our solidarity but words are not enough. Today it is time to act. I have spoken to President Francois Hollande who was clear that France expect s ethWe stand ready to do whatever is necessary to support France in this time of tragedy. We already have close military cooperatation in Iraq and Syria but we were prepared to ramp that up.We don't have ground forces there in sufficient numbers to simply march into Raqqa and Syria and clean the whole place out.It's become even more clear that our safety and security depends on the degrading and ultimately destroying ISIL whether it's in Iraq or Syria.We shall not retreat one millimetre in the fight against terror. Be it overseas or in the streets of our cities and industries of Paris and of the main cities of France and this is why my Government has reacted as strongly as possible.Now Bob Carr you can definitely hear the beating of the war drum very strongly, politicians across the globe not just in Europe, rearing and saying it's not time not to just contain the caliphate but to cripple it. What do you think will be the result of all of this? I totally support the response and I think any any western country is entitled to protect itself. I got no arguments with that. In the past I've supported what President Obama has done F we can save a town or a region, a village, in either Syria or Iraq from occupation by ISIS, if we can do that from the air, then that's good, it's a humanitarian imperative, but let me just record my concern that we are feeding a Sunni insurgency and we've got to look at giving relief of Sunni populations from the occupation of ISIS. They are tolerating ISIS in both Syria and Iraq, because they're afraid of the Shia militia that the western world appears to them to be supporting. And we've got to deal with that problem so bomb away all we like, but have an opportunity to think more deeply about a strategy that will separate Sunni populations from ISIS which they tolerate because they're afraid of a greater evil as they see it.And Michael Brissenden, what do you think will happen with Assad. There's much talk in France, Francois Hollande's position previously was that Assad had to go. Now there's talk of a temporary position, what do you think this might mean if a Coalition does tomorrow?While all the drums of war are beating there's also a pretty big call for a political solution and it's hard to see at this stage how any political solution can be achieved out including Assad in some way or form. So I think look, who knows really where this is going to go from here? I think it really is now - we're in a different phase, particularly, of this whole crisis, but the need to reach some sort of political solution, I just can't see it happening without including Assad in some way.Do you think it's significant that Australia was ex-included from discussions that were had about what to do in Syria because Russia insisted we were not or was this just a question of jousting between Russia and the USI don't think it was particularly serious. We are significant players in this but we're not big players, we're not at the top table. This ultimately is something that will be resolved by the major powers of the world and we will go where our ally the US wants to us I would imagine.Rebecca, what do you imagine might occur in terms of a Coalition now that's going to be Syria to try to enact what looks to be a more assertive policy, up till now President Obama has been taking it to Congress, some concerns also in the UK the French have wanted to be more front-footed how do you think this will play out in terms of a Coalition?You're right that the West has been extraordinarily hesitant up to this point and I think what we saw in Paris has made everyone realise what the consequences are of not being fully engaged in this battle. As far as the Coalition goes, the key thing to remember is that to win this war we have to win it in three ways. We have to win militarily, we cannot proceed to a political solution until we are able to dictate a sort of solution that would be acceptable to that, to us, that means having militarily gained the upper hand, we have to win it legally and our enemy also exploit the fact that while they commit war crimes every sickle day and target civilians we have to respect the laws of war and the Geneva convention otherwise we will lose possibly the war not on the battlefield, not even in the international courts of law, but in the court of public opinion, and that's where it really count, we have to win this battle at thirdly it's a battle of ideas, so the Coalition however and whoever belongs to it has to be agree on those things and to win this war in those three ways.One thing that terrorists always do is exaggerate their influence and rely on a fearful response from us as well. How do you think in all of this as we examine how to respond to a very serious and real threat that we avoid inadcertently playing into their hands.There's nothing xagated about what happened in Paris. It was Var serious attack but there's been real interesting aknoll sis looking at what ISIS are saying as parts of their play book and the reason why they say that they do attacks like this is to stoke exactly the kind of reaction that we're starting to see play out unfortunately in some western countries and there was a burning of a mosque in Canada earlier today, there's been attack on Muslim woman inning and there's a general fear that they might be further marriagealised. That's what they want to happen. With the bombs in Syria, of course France feels like they've got a reason to respond and people do want to stop the suffering and the attacks going on in Syria but also Assad but think about this like it's dropping bombs from the sky that might kill civilians and there have been civilian defts causeed by the western allies in Iraq and Syria, is that not likely to lead to further radicalisation of other groups there. We need to think about this more cohesive than retaliating so let's drop some bombs.What about us, so far Australia eef involvement in Syria has been limited to air strikes but Malcolm Turnbull says we could also play a peace keeping role. The United States for its part has vowed to intensify air strikes on Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria and will seek additional help from western allies. Defence Minister Marise Payne said Australia would not be rushed into ramping up military action in the Middle East.Obviously these matters have to be considered very, very seriously in the cold harsh light of day. We're making the second largest contribution at the moment and if we are to enhance that or to change that in any way that will be a considered step by the Australian Government.Of course we take notice of these events but it hasn't fundamentally changed the environment here in Australia, even though we're constantly assessing it to ensure we've given our agencies the resources that they need to combat it.Labor will be guided by the best military and defence and strategic advice. I believe our men and women in the RAAF and indeed more generally in the ADF are doing an excellent job. They are professionals trained for this.These are fanatics who believe they're acting the words of god but in reality they're doing the work of evil and we all need to combat that.Now Bob from what we know of Malcolm Turnbull's approach, from his remarks so far, we need to defeat IS in the field and yet he's also calling for a political solution. What kind of support can we expect that we will be considered giving at this point and what are we likely to giveIt's entirely outside Australia's control. We have no influence here. The first time is to get a ceasefire in Syria and that's been perilously hard. Been no progress in this the last three years to get the militias and there are very large number of militias to agree to stop firing at one another. That's the first step and then to get them to hold off resuming combat until you get an interim government erng body in place that can set a timetable for a vote on a new constitution, and then a vote for a parliament under that constitution. And you got this question of whether Assad should be part of it. Frankly my only test is what ends the suffering of the is Syrian people and if we do that, the trauma that youngsters are going through in this country, every day, by taking Assad and installing him in a Presidential palace with peacocks on the lawn, I would do that and not touch him, give him immunity and... I'd give him anything if this would end the bombing and end the traumatic suffering of the children in this country and enable them to start rebuilding their houses. I think 8 million homes have been destroyed. And you've got millions of people refugees, who might think they'll never return, who may fear they'll never return to Syria, so we're a long way from this political solution, we don't even seen the liniments of it yet and the thing is to divided, you got so many militias, the goal of getting a ceasefire is still formidable. Russia and America can't deliver a ceasefire on the ground, without the ceasefire you're not going to get the pears sitting around a table and saying yes we'll tick this off, this will be the electoral system and we'll have an interim Government with you having so many seats at the Cabinet table, until we get an elected Government. This is to speculative.Michael Brissenden I know I've been reporting on defence for a long time and the question here perhaps is with Australia's a alliance with the US, it is a question of degrees of enthusiasm, degrees of commitment and not only what we might be asked to do but what is possible in the circumstances. What are you insights?I think we're doing as much as we can at the stage. We have can't provide much more air support than bewe are already. In terms of what we can do on the ground. As the Bob says it's pretty premature to talk about peace keepers before there's even a ceasefire, we're a long way from being about to send peace keepers but we do have a number of special forces training the Iraqis, you wonder whether - how active those special forces will be elsewhere, whether their mission state may change. They're there to advise and assist in previous engagements they have been there to advise, assist and accompany and the accompany aspect has been widely interpreted. I think there is room to move in termses of that sort of engagement but again, as Bob says we'll pretty much - we'll do what the Americans want to us do and expect us to do in this regard I would imagine.You don't think we have - there's any variation in terms of our enthusiasm particularly in terms of troops on the ground?The rhetoric coming out of Malcolm Turnbull is a lot more cautious and a lot less gung-ho than the rhetoric we might have seen if Tony Abbott was still PM. He's been very careful to walk that line and I think in terms of the public perception he doesn't want - that's the sort of perception he wants the public to take from this. He doesn't want us to be more engaged than we have to be but look, again I think that if we're asked to contribute more we will contribute what we're asked to contribute when we're asked to.The only issue with troops on the ground, is, one, protecting our air asset, protecting the airfields, our planes our Air Force personle and secondly a bit of training, we can provide training for the Iraqi army so special forces trainers, that would be something Australia could contribute but nothing more, nothing broad enthat that.Do you think we need to be concerned about a risk of retaliation should we increase our military presence in various guises in Syria?No, I think the reality is that we are already a target and to suggest that we aren't would simply be foolish. Everybody in the western world is a target and we have to accept that the only way we can increase our security is by defeating our enemy and we have first to be able to name our enemy. And to have a coherent strategy for tackling this both in Iraq and in Syria and elsewhere. I think it's wrong as others have suggested that there can't be any contemplation of a Syria without Assad at the helm. The Russians themselves have made statements nah indicate that at the end of the day what they want is to see a stable Syrian Government and it was quite significant when they started saying that in August as opposed to sin sising on Assad himself. I think the only nation that's absolutely wedded to Assad is Iran and of course in signing a nuclear deal with Iran we have released billions of dollars of funds for them which they'll be channeling into propping him up, complicating or scenario.I want to move on to another matter now because one very important question, certainly one a lot of people are discussing the should the Paris attacks change Europe's approach to immigration and indeed ours. French authorities are investigating a passport belonging to a Syrian refugee, that was found next to the body of one of the suicide bombers at the Stade de France. I have to stress it's not clear if the passport belongs to the attacker but its discovery has fuelled fears that terrorists are using the same routes into Europe as refugees and migrants. The newly elected polish Government now says they'll only resettle refugees if they're given security guarantees. But here in Australia both the Government and the Opposition say that immigration and resettlement should continue.I for one am not going to support calls that we stop being an imgrandmother nation, that we stop taking refugee, because of this act of evil in Paris f we do that then the evil people win.Australia obviously faces a very different situation than countries in if Europe that have land borders. With our sea borders we have a very tough policy and again the Government's been criticised for that but we make no apology for it and we're not going to change it because if you lose control of your borders as we're seeing in some part of Europe now there are consequences that flow.The one who is responsible for the attacks in Paris cannot be put at equal foot with real refugee, with asylum seekers and with displaced people. It is a criminal and not a refugee.Now there have been a number of voices coming out very strongly and seeing we should not have anymore Islamic immigration. Now the Governor of Louisiana, of Alabama who demanded head count, we have Andrew Fraser who wrote a message to Malcolm Turnbull on his Facebook page, you have have written a piece if which you query Pauline Hanson being given voice, how p significant - you've described her views as fringe, do you think that there are any other echos of those kinds of views in the Australian community?I think one of the most irresponsible things the media can do less than 24 hours after a tragedy like Paris is wheel out commentators who will do things like call for a royal commission into Islam, whatever that means and say ridiculous things that have been repudiated by even the likes of Peter Dutton. Unfortunately, those views do exist to some extent in the community. That's why Pauline Hanson hasn't been re-elected. This was a tragedy. It occurred less than 24 hours later, the media were wheeling out someone like Pauline Hanson to stoke the flames of division and tension within the community. Obviously that doesn't really help anyone, it's incredibly complex issue that needs to be looked at in a whole different series of ways but one interesting thing about what has emerged from Paris is the four terrorists identified were all French-born nationals n one way that sort of eases the refugee debate some way but I think both the right and the left need to talk about that bit more rather than using terrorist attacks to justify the political views, why do we have in Paris but also in 'Australia' born raised people being radicalised and doing a like attacks.Malcolm Turnbull did point as well that his briefings indicated that those who had carried out such activities in Australia tended to be second or 13 generation here. Do you think that we need to be looking at migration at all?I think it's absolutely critical and I think the issue here is about people integrating into Australian life, I think what we have seen in all of these groups where Jihadists and violent Jihadism has arisen, we've seen groups that have cut themselves off so we often talk about needing to be inclusive but we find those are groups that are exclusive, that exclude the rest of mainstream Australia, that want to continue perhaps for example to speaktary their language and then use that as a vehicle to preach violence and Jihadism so I think what we have to be insisting on is greater integration into Australia and we see that almost all migrant and refugees do this very willingly, the whole reason they come to Australia is because they want to be part of Australia, they want to enjoy the Australian way of life. So I think it's that small group that don't that we have to deal with.It's a great challenge for political leaders, Bob, how do you respond?We got to point out that our greatest asset in all of this here, in France, elsewhere, is moderate Islam. We can't win this without the leadership of the moderate Islam and to have Jamal Rifi, to have the Grand Mufti in Australia say the things they've been saying.Heinous act of cowardice...Is very important. They were strong statements and that reverbate and to have them spend time in their own communities saying that what has happened is an abuse of Islam, a perversion of Islam, has nothing to do with the Holly Koran is vital for us and to have them explain it effectively to their young people and to have them go into prisons and explain to prisoners because prison conversion has been a big factor for the last 20 years in making converts to violent Jihadists.A quick comment?I think this is really important. I was really shocked and horrified by what the Grand Mufti put out today on his Facebook page and elsewhere, and I have to say that I do not agree with Bob, I do not think that the message that the Grand Mufti is delivering is helpful at all. This is a man who went to Gaza and who said he admired his brothers, he admired the resistance they were engaged in, who praised the leadership of Hamas and what we see in Hamas is an organisation that is openly genocidal towards Jews and I think what the Grand Mufti was saying on his website today was really shocking, he was trying to justify those attacks saying "oh it's all because of racism, it's all because of Islamophobia. That is not the solution.We hear these commentators saying that Muslim leaders need to speak out. Iffer with talking about working together as Bob said we'll need to work together.Not sure he was saying it was all do with racism.That's one of the things that ISIS preys on.While condemning unreservedly all Jihadist violence, we are duty bound to look at the causes of these enhuman acts and that Sunni insurgency in the Middle East, the fact that Sunnis tipped out of power in Iraq have joined forces with ISIS, tribal chief takens formal generals in the regime of Saddam Hussein, is something we've got to look. There would be advisers who would be telling us without announcing it we should be in there bribing them to separate themselves from ISIS. There's got to be a way of dealing with that Sunni sense of grievance while at the same time - I'm unapologetic about this - we bomb ISIS from the air.Before we go, tonight, as countries across the globe have mourned the lives lost in Paris, people have ponded Ukraine in many varied and unique ways. Monuments like the Sydney Opera House were draped in the blue white and red of the French flag, Facebook users changed their profile pictures, some posted poem, face os quotes and even selfie but are these symbolic acts of support useful or do they undermine the gravity of the situation and a further question Michael Brissenden is it also a good way to air the fact that as we have not yet had the chance to discuss we have talking a lot more about Paris than a bombing in Paris with 4 # people died last Thursday. Is that one of the good things about social media to rap the needsa on the knuckles...Yes. I don't have a problem with people showing solidarity for what happened in France and I think for us, we do feel a greater connection to what happened in Paris, morph us travel there. I know the arguments put forward that more Australians are of lekz descent than French. People view Paris for the city it is and it was a striking Paris, a strike at the heart of western democracy, no doubt about that and I think it was designed to do that and I don't think that it's an undue focus on France over Beirut, sure, we've reported on the Beirut stuff but it hadn't had the impact that France has had and I think they, the terrorists knew that that would be the case.What do you think?The debate it's been kicked off about Paris versus Beirut is interesting. People want to express their emotions. Let them do that. I don't think we need that much analysis about whether it was good to put the Tricolore on your Facebook profile or not. I do thing think that social media does allow you to talk to it.Bob, you're not going to be changing your profile status to the French flag I would imagine but you have cancelled your trip to Paris?I was going to spend two months there but I won't do it now. Paris thradgeically is a disaster for our civilisation b will be a battlefield because there will be a fierce anti-immigrant righteous trend in French politics. If thrarp Presidential election held next month, Marie le Pen would win it. We have decided we want risk it. I was going to give lectures there in a university on the West branch, I was looking forward to but not after this. Therefore I think it was very sweet, a fine gesture that the Tricolore was there on the sails of the Sydney Opera House and that sent a message to the people of France that we are with them in this but please a bit more attention to Lebanon. The suffering of Lebanon is acute.We've run out of time today, that is all for dlum. Thank you to our panel. We'll see you again same time tomorrow night. ? This program is not captioned.

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This Program is Captioned Live by CSI Australia Also ahead, France strikes back. 20 bombs dropped on IS militants in Syria. The US and Russia jolted into agreement by the Paris attacks, coming to a decision on ending the bloodshed in Syria.And on Grandstand, New Zealand's Ross Taylor makes the highest ever Test score by a visiting batsman in Australia. Hello and welcome to ABC News, I'm Gemma Veness. Paris is waking up to its third day of mourning. In the last hours several fresh counter terrorism