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(generated from captions) Hello and welcome to The Drum, I'm Steve Cannane. Coming up - the PM describes the blocking of the Adani coal mine approval as dangerous for Australia and tragic for the world. The story that just won't go away. We will have the latest on the MP's expenses scandal. And ten Republicans go head to of the
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Joining me on the panel, Jack the
blogger with 'The Australian', Jack the Insider. Author and journalist Anne Summers. Anded of the 'Spectator Australia', Rowan dream. You can join us on Twitter using hashtag the drum.Tony Abbott said he is frustrated over the overturning of the Adani coal mine.This coal will power up the lives of a hundred million people in India, so this is a very important project, not just for Australia but for the wider world. If we get to the stage where the rules are such that projects like this can be endlessly frustrated, that's dangerous for our country and it's tragic for the wider world.I don't think it is right that the leader of this nation is second guessing our with
judges. If there is a problem with the way the law is formed, we debate it in Parliament. Mr Abbott is creating a new test that near enough is good enough. Anne, is this unnecessary red tape?I think it's the law and people are entitled to use it. I think the bigger point about the Adani coal mine is something that Mr Abbott is failing to recognise is that It's
coal is a twilight industry. It's being phased out, fossil fuels are known to be dangerous, to damage the climate. It's interesting that India, Mr Ab on the is saying, of
was going to be the main source of the market for this coal, has agreed to start phasing out thermal coal imports within three years. This market was going to disappear. I think more than the environmental issues around the mine, the are the financial issues and the current price of coal has made it uneconomic. The Adani project team was fired recently and dispersed to other projects. The project was in Commonwealth Bank
doubt and I think that issa the Commonwealth Bank has withdrawn with
its financing. It's more to do with the unviability from a financial point of view and Government's point of view and this environmental decision has come along after that and added to the reasons why this project to
probably won't go ahead.Rowan, to go back to the PM's comments, he is saying it's dangerous for the country. Do you agree with that?I agree if we are turning away jobs and billions worth of investment, that is dangerous. Anne is correct, the coal industry has all sorts of problems. I'm not sure she is correct it will be phased out as quickly as she thinks. Coal is one of our great exports. It's what we built our wealth on and what other countries will ex- build their wealth on. It's dangerous if investors look at this and say it's going to be hard, the spotted gecko was in danger there.I think it was a skink.I stand corrected.And a Environment Minister's
snake.That gets to the

responsibilities. He dropped drop
the ball on this. So...Did he drop the ball or did the bureaucrats drop the ball?It would seem the Department of Environment has dropped the ball and he is responsible for it. Bill Shorten has made some early comments that there may be an opportunity for Labor and the Coalition to sit down and try and legislate their way through this. I think Anne's points are pretty good. There is nothing legislated in India yet but within two or three years, it is anticipated that India will not get coal from any other place other than their own resources.There are ministers to
statements from Government ministers to that effect.It's not etched in stone.That might be the case with this particular mine, Jack, but the where the
PM was making a broader point where the courts are being used to economically sabotage our projects?People have the right to go to the courts when they have that opportunity, when they are not happy with a Government decision. In this case, what we've seen is that the department of the have
environment and the Minister have made a bit of a blue and they are going to need to sort it out.All right, MP travel expenses, it's a story that won't go away. Today fresh allegations were thrown at Labor frontbencher Tony Burke over a six day ministerial trip to Europe in 2009 that cost nearly $50,000 and included first class flights for an adviser. The Government has announced a five-person panel to review the rules including Brendan Nelson and former Labor MP and Speaker Harry Jenkins. Christopher
Meanwhile Education Minister Christopher Pyne said the ongoing naming of MPs and their travel expenses is not helping.We have a root and branch inquiry into MPs' spending, into the entitlements or taxpayer-funded resources we need to do our job. Having a about
constant ongoing discussion about it is hardly in anybody's interests.I do concede it's time to review the rules. I understand the rules that were in place you were talking about are the ones which Mr Burke complied with. It is important that we are now having a proper review of the rules, making sure they do accord with community expectations.I want this round of controversies to not be the latest but the last and I want the public to have confidence that members of Parliament are working very hard for them.I'm looking forward to the recommendations of this review but I'm also looking forward to a system that works and operates well and supports the families of Parliamentarians and allows Parliamentarians to do their work and Parliamentarians themselves don't throw allegations at each other about their use of these allowances because that's the most unproductive, damaging and stupid things that can be done. These allowances are in place to let people do their jobs well.We have seen Tony Burke you
face more allegations today. Do you think he should resign?I think he should resign or apologise to Bronwyn Bishop and get down on bended knees and ask her to come back as the Speaker, for the simple for Labor
reason...That would be good for Labor though, wouldn't it?Tony Burke in particular put out this idea of community expectations that Bronwyn entitlements
Bishop's behaviour with the entitlements did not live up to community expectations. She has denied having done anything wrong. She did the Honourable thing and said I have not lived up to community expectation s, I'm resigning.But was it because she was only causing damage to the Liberal Party?She did the Honourable thing and resigned on the constant badgering of Tony Burke that she had not lived up to community expectations. Look at everything Tony Burke has done, the trips to Uluru, you mentioned the adviser who was given a first class round the world trip. This adviser went on to be his girlfriend and his wife. This does not match community expectations under any way of looking at it. The trip with the kids to Uluru, when the kids roll up in business class and the taxpayers are in economy paying for them does not live up to expectations. Tony Burke raised this test. We know the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. If Labor are prepared to accept Tony Burke's Bronwyn Bishop's
standards, they must accept Bronwyn Bishop's standards and reinstate her.Jack, on that basis, do you think the Speaker should be reinstated or should get
Tony Burke be resigning?Let's get it out there, the reinstatement of Bronwyn Bishop would make Tony Abbott's Duke of Edinburgh
captain's pick to Knight the Duke of Edinburgh a political master stroke. It would be a complete and utter nightmare. I take your point, that Tony Burke has got some questions to Christopher Pyne
answer but he has, as Christopher Pyne has made clear, acted within the guidelines. The problem is you
these guidelines are more fuss, you could drive a truck through them. This review, this will be the third review in seven years of these things. You could go back and read each subsequent - each previous one and pick that out and say let's go with this and let's go with the contemporaneous publication of entitlements as they are made and an Ombudsman office or something similar that allows an MP to say is this in or out and get a judgment. It will
shouldn't be that hard.Anne we will come back to the review in a moment. What about Tony Burke, do you agree with Rowan, he should resign?Resign from what?From his position as a Labor frontbencher?Look, maybe he should resign, I don't really care. I think the bigger question is this whole entitlement system is a cosy little club. The fact that MPs or former MPs are being appointed to conduct the review...Two out of five.I think that is inappropriate. Nothing against either of those men, they have honourable men, I have a lot of respect for Bolt of them. This is a cosy club, people have built up entitlements they felt they can use. Some people rort the system and squeeze every advantage of it. There was the Belcher review in 2009. Why wasn't that implemented? It didn't suit both sides of party politics to do it. There are certain things in the current system, including travel allowances which are really very hard to justify. I think people should have their experiences reimbursed but shouldn't get paid because they are in another city or staying with their grandmother or living in their wife's house. There is a lot of things wrong with the teen title meant system. One of the few Belcher reforms adopted by the last Parliament is that now ministers and even the Governor-General are prohibited from flying first class. I Foreign Minister
think that's wrong. If the Foreign Minister has to rush off inform New York or 9 Governor-General is sent off to an emergency at an hour's notice, he shouldn't have to doing jobs
fly business class. The people entitled to
doing jobs for the country are entitled to travel in great comfort so they get off the plane fresh and able to work. I don't think children of Parliamentarians should be flying business class.This is the point. You, Jack, myself, Steve, we are all aware of what community expectations means. Blind Freddie means you know you don't fly the kids up the pointy end of the plane. Why is it glaringly obvious to us and unobvious to the Parliamentarians. It should be easy, as Jack says, to say yes in, yes, out. Or they should have the decency to say I was about
wrong.Rowan, I want to ask you about this review. It's not reporting until early next year. Is that wrong?It's so obvious what needs to be done. The private sector has done it. If your business involves entertainment, you split it down the middle. There are clear guidelines that the Tax Office applies and private enterprises applies. It should not be beyond the wit of the Federal Government to say this mentioned
is what should occur.You mentioned the Belcher review, there were 17 out of 39 implemented, like you declare on the politician's website what the expenses are?All the politicians have got interactive websites where you they have
can click on it and say where chance to
they have been. I didn't have a chance to go back and see what the Belcher recommendations are. I tried to but the documents which all happened to be signed by Gary Gray who we saw on the screen, they were heavily redacted, you couldn't read them. I don't know what is going on here. I think there is no reason why this review can't be conducted immediately. The PM is not serious about it, if he is saying we don't need to know until next year. That is five months away.Jack, what do you think about the delay?The great danger is the bomb throwing will continue.It's mutually assured destruction.MAD all over again.Destruction.Who are going to be the beneficiaries. The crossbenchers were. Senator Xenophon will be rubbing their hands together. They are considering running candidates in SA and I would think Senator X would be encouraged by all of this.Cathy McGowan in Indy, it will help her.All over the crossbenchers are the ones who spend the least. There is a culture, as you were saying, a culture of entitlement there. It's not hard to fix but they they have
have to get around to it and they have to get to it, not in six weeks and not in six months.One of the great things Mark Latham was push John Howard into cutting down on a lot of super entitlements. There is no reason why Tony Abbott can't move very fast on this. It would give him popularity, show he is listening to the people and do it with bipartisan support.I want to pick up the issue of how Tony Abbott is travelling. Next week marks six months since the spill motion when he asked his colleagues to give him six months to improve things. Six months later, how he is travelling?That was a foot in mouth moment when he said good Government starts today when they have been in Government for 14 months. The major problems with the Abbott Government in February were, according to the backbench, Joe Hockey as Treasurer and Petea Credlin as the Chief of Staff. Nothing has changed there.And captain's picks were the problem.We are starting to see a PM more and more cocooned again. That is a real issue. I think Abbott has never really PM and
been allowed to be himself as PM and I think that is a real problem for the Government too. So he's heavily controlled, heavily stage managed. That seems to be getting worse and now you see him running commentary on things that really aren't Government matters and that's a real concern too. So, yeah, you have got real problems with messaging from this Government.Anne, six months the later, how is the Government travelling?I think it's apparent to us, the punters and also to Mr Abbott's colleagues on the backbench, he is simply not up to the job. He can't do it. He has no ideas. He is very good at combat and negativity, very good at at
sloganeering, he is very good at tearing things down. He doesn't have ideas, he doesn't have policy ideas or concepts at which to lead and talk to the nations about.A lot of prime ministers struggle in the first 18 months.They do. His struggling I think is showing no signs of improvement. His body language, as you say Jack, maybe because it's over-controlled by his minders. Regardless of that he doesn't exhibit confidence and he has nothing to say.Rowan, how are you seeing it?I would agree with Anne on some things, or Jack said he needs to be more that you
himself. It is critical as a PM look
that you are yourself. If you look at what Tony Abbott as achieved, there was the Budget. There were problems with Hong Kong before. Stopping the boats, in Europe a they are looking around the world at his policies. If you look at Julie Bishop, the job she is doing is outstanding. You have a bunch of ministers doing terrific jobs. The Budget was well received. Basically, other than these peripheral issues, he is travelling well.Why is it not being reflected in the polls?It was going up. We have Bronwyn
this huge distraction of Bronwyn Bishop and entitlements and Tony Burke. Those things play well in the press but I don't think the average punter votes based on those. The average punter will wait until the election comes and goes, is this country better than it was under Gillard and Rudd and they will reach the conclusion it was.The ten leading Republican candidates for the 2016 presidential run have squared off in their first debate. Real estate mogul Donald Trump joined Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others.Is there anyone on stage, can I see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person?Mr Trump...You have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your Twitter account...Only Rosie O'Donnell. I think the big problem this country has is do
being politically correct.How do you look at them and say your brother's war was a mistake?Knowing what we know now with faulty intelligence and not having security being the fires priority, it was a mistake, I wouldn't have gone on. However, for the people who did lose their lives and the families that suffered...With the cyber attack with Russia, it's sad to think right now but probably the Russian and Chinese Government know more bl Hillary Clinton's email service John
than the Security Service. John Barron has been following the debate. Donald Trump has been leading the headlines for all reasons. How did he fair?Anything short of coming out with a spinning bow tie and a bottle was going to make him look presidential. He didn't look too bad. There was an interesting dynamic. He was centre stage alongside Jeb Bush. Donald Trump is the He
leading Republican contender. He has 25% support nationally. There were a lot of questions directed at him or through him. A lot of the questions were framed around things he had said previously, trying to get other candidates to attack him. They don't want to attack him because they want that 25% of the electorate currently supporting Donald Trump to. rhetoric
They wanted to get him to the rhetoric that has done him so well.What about when Donald Trump refused to rule out running as an Independent if he fails to win the Republican nominee. Surely that can't do him any good?Exactly. That was - this was hosted by Fox News. It was a clear message, I Roger ails
think, from Rupert Murdoch, Roger ails who runs Fox News, to say Donald Trump, we will tell the viewers right now is not really a Republican. Not only is he prepared to consider running as third party, of
Independent, maybe skim off 10% of the Conservative vote, handing the White House to Hillary Clinton, they remind Donald
them by the way, do you know Donald Trump used to be in favour of partial birth aboring, Donald Trump used to be in favour of universal healthcare with a Government option. Do you know Donald Trump donated money to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. It was a recurring theme, he is Jeb
not really our guy.What about Jeb Bush, former Governor of Florida. Brother of W, son of Senior?Megan Kelly from Fox News who was one of the three moderators, he asked him a question three months ago that he should have seen coming for ten years, knowing what we know now, was it a mistake to go into Iraq. Three months ago he flubbed the answer. He got the answer a little bit better this time. He talked about as the the Florida Governor, made phone calls to the families. He wanted to say yes it was a mistake. He wasn't critical of critical
his brother. He won't be critical of father. There is a lot of nostalgia about now. The fact there are 17 candidates on the Republican side says that nobody is convinced that Jeb Marco
has a lock on this.What about Marco Rubio, is a Senator from Florida, Cuban heritage. How did he go?He was a breath of fresh air. It was interesting to see. He looked younger, more positive. He looked like a VP in waiting. He didn't look presidential. He is in his early 40s. Everybody thinks Jeb Bush is likely to get the nomination, then a Florida Senator in Marco Rubio is unlikely to get the VP nod and unlikely to get enough money to get the nomination. There is a lot going against Rubio. He stood out in this field of 10 as being the happy warrior. He could become the second choice of a lot of voters. That could do him very well and see him go a long way in the process next year.John?There seems to be the view that Trump has a shelf life and it will be done by Christmas. Is this thing gaining momentum or did it drop away yesterday?It's going to be interesting to see what the Sometimes the
polls say in the next 24 hours. Sometimes the polls immediately after the debate don't reflect the polls 24 hours after the win after
debate. People will declare a win after the debate and see the commentary the next day and change their mind. Gerald Ford was the winner of the debate and when the newspapers were Soviet
full of the gaffe saying the Soviet Union will never be in control, it saw somebody else winning. It will be fascinated because he got people booing him and you don't want to be booed on a debate stage among your fellow Republicans.John, it strikes me the big thing with Trump is the anti-political correctness. He waived it very hard and strong during the debate. It's an easy thing to do if you are the anti-political correctness guy to be anti-politically correct. Are any of the other candidates steal some
going to pick up on that and steal some of that?That was Chris Christie
certainly New Jersey's Governor Chris Christie today. Four years ago he was the guy a lot of people wished was running. Barack
He was photographed hugging Barack Obama, a Democrat, they did work in their response to the cyclone. But you don't hug the go we are trying to get rid of. Chris Christie has had problems. Some of his staff were forced to resign just because a local Mayor wasn't supporting Christie. He is no longer the golden child. He is a bit of a wind bag and bully but he has got the common charm that
touch. He has an every man of
charm that could attract some of the people with Donald Trump. That is what he is hoping with. Anne?A weight issue though, for sure.He has lost a lot of weight. You could argue he reflects a lot of Americans these days.People don't want to see themselves. A quick question. You have got 17 candidates, 18 months or so to go. I mean isn't that really too soon to even be drawing any preliminary views about this thing, it's tortuous to watch this charade going on because Ng will be resolved for six months?Well, it's only about five months until they start voting to see who the candidate is going to be early next year. There is a lot of jockeying in these early stages and there are summer time flirtatiouses rather than necessarily picking the person you will settle down with. You would say Jeb Bush has a good chance and Hillary Clinton has a good chance of being the Democratic nominee. Right now Donald Trump is the flavour of the month.Finally tonight, Australia is reeling after a dismal performance in the Ashes, all out for 60 in 111 balls, the shortest innings in Test history. The top score was extras. Australia's horror day has made it almost certain the Ashes will return to England and made it a nightmare for expat Aussies living in the UK who have to go to work today. I missed the innings because I went out for dinner and you missed the innings because you went to the toilet?You only had to have New
even an entree.Today we are New Zealanders. I'm not a New could
Zealander, but technically I could be. I think look, it's going to be por horrible. The next couple of days will be horrible. Friends of mine have been hitting me up from the UK. It's awful, awful gloating.Don't answer the phone, Jack.There is a few texts unanswered at the moment.John, are you feeling a New Zealander today?It was great
terrible to watch. That is the great thing about cricket. The same batting line up that got 500 is able to be skittled for 60. It's never over until it's over. Maybe we can skittle them for another 30 tonight and maybe a 60 in their second innings.You will be spruiking a Trump presidency. Anne
Thank you to Jack the Insider, John
Anne Summers, Rowan Dean and John Barron. Have a great weekend.

. Mary, Queen of Scots,
is well known for her turbulent life, but what you may not know is that
she was also one of the first women to regularly play golf. It's said that when she arrived
in St Andrews in the 1560s, she brought along
her own set of golf clubs - in fact,
she brought them from France, where she'd learned as a child. Now, I've not played golf before, but I'm on the world's
most famous golf course, so I'm going to give it a go.


Well, I think Tiger Woods
can rest easy. Welcome to a second round
of the Antiques Roadshow from St Andrews in Scotland,
the home of golf. (Bell rings)
# Theme music (Bird twitters)

When Mary, Queen of Scots,
lived in France as a member of the Royal Family, she had military cadets
to carry her golf clubs for her, and it's thought
that when she came to Scotland, she brought the practice with her, and the term 'cadet'
evolved into the word 'caddie'.

But Mary, Queen of Scots',
love of golf also placed her
at the heart of a scandal.

In 1567, Mary's husband -
Lord Darnley - was murdered. Now there was much speculation
at the time that she was involved in his murder, not helped by the fact that
she was apparently seen playing golf just a few days later.

So, not too bothered
by what had happened to him, then.

This is the oldest
of seven golf courses here. I wonder if they're
dusting down the trophies ready for the Antiques Roadshow, which we're holding in St Salvator's
Quad in St Andrews University.

Do you know what this is? Not really. I think it's Japanese.
Uh-huh. It was given to me by my mother
about 20 years ago. She likes going to charity shops -
still does - and anything with an animal on it,
she would give me - usually wooden elephants
and china ducks, and she gave me this,
and I thought it was different, but it was all broken,
the piece of string was broken. It was 50 pence, so... 50 pence?
Yes. I think it is just
the most magical object.