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Tonight - no grounds for charges. The New South Wales Police say they won't pursue a case against
Labor MP Craig Thomson.

It's a pretty categorical statement. I think what it does is that it exposes Mr Abbott's tactics.
His tactics to wreck everything, to talk everything down, and to throw as much mud regardless of
the facts.

He hasn't been cleared. All that's happened is that the New South Wales Police have concluded that
they're not certain that they could mount a successful prosecution in NSW. This Program is
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Good evening, welcome to Lateline. I'm Tony Jones. This Sunday is the 10th anniversary of the 9/11
ter remember attacks on the United States. For a stroke of luck our guest tonight would have been
in her office on the 101st floor of tower one of the World Trade Center when the was yet slammed
into it. If she had been Edie Lutnick would have died along with her brother Gary and 657
co-workers at the bond trader Cantor Fitzgerald. It It suffer the worst losses of any any
institution by September 116789 by 116789 by extraordinary enterprise Howard kept it solvent. Not
only that for five years he devoted 25% of company profits to families of the the victims through a
charity run by Edie Lutnick. It is an extraordinary story of corporate corporate and family
survival and benevolence. But not without its twist as we'll hear when she joins us live from New
York. First headlines. Asylum seekers in Indonesia make no apologies for using people smugglers to
get to Australia. A US group campaign ing to ban judges from considering Islamic law has similar
plans for Australia.

NSW Police decide not to investigate Thomson

NSW Police decide not to investigate Thomson

Broadcast: 08/09/2011

Reporter: Mark Simkin

Troubled Labor MP Craig Thomson has been granted a reprieve after NSW Police decided not to
investigate the use of his union credit card for prostitutes.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: He isn't out of the woods yet, but troubled Labor MP Craig Thomson can
tonight breathe a little easier.

NSW Police have decided not to investigate the backbencher over the use of his union credit card
for prostitutes.

The Prime Minister says she has confidence in him, but Mr Thomson could still face investigation by
Victorian Police.

Here's our chief political correspondent Mark Simkin.

MARK SIMKIN, REPORTER: Spinning doesn't always come easily. This is all Julia Gillard would say
about the police decision.

JULIA GILLARD, PRIME MINISTER: I've consistently expressed my confidence in the Member for Dobell.
He is there working for his local community. Police matters are a matter for the police and I'm not
going to comment on them.

MARK SIMKIN: Craig Thomson released a three-line statement."I have always rejected claims of
wrongdoing ...," he said. "I will make a comprehensive statement in the near future."

The Opposition's been pursuing allegations Craig Thomson used union funds to pay for prostitutes.

ANDREW ROBB, OPPOSITION FINANCE SPOKESMAN (Aug. 23): Look at the evidence comes out daily and
daily. Today what we saw from Fairfax: that he's lied, that he's a thief.

GEORGE BRANDIS, SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: Whichever way you look at this, there does seem to be
clear evidence of a breach of the NSW Crimes Act.

MARK SIMKIN: Except if you look at it the way the NSW Police look at it. They've examined the case
and found there isn't one. "... there is no basis for a formal investigation into any offence under
NSW law".

WAYNE SWAN, ACTING PRIME MINISTER: It's a pretty categorical statement and I think what it does is
that it exposes Mr Abbott's tactics, his tactics to wreck everything, to talk everything down and
to throw as much mud as possible regardless of the facts.

MARK SIMKIN: The Victorian Police will now look at the evidence and there's an ongoing Fair Work
Australia investigation.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: I want to make it crystal clear that he hasn't been cleared. All
that's happened is that the NSW Police have concluded that they're not certain that they could
mount a successful prosecution in NSW to the criminal standard of proof.

MARK SIMKIN: Tony Abbott popped up in the backbencher's seat. The Coalition's playing hardball,
suggesting Craig Thomson may not be given a voting pair if, as expected, his wife gives birth in
the next few weeks.

TONY ABBOTT: Only in the most extraordinary circumstances will pairs be offered for the carbon tax

MARK SIMKIN: It's a high stakes game because Labor needs Craig Thomson's vote for the carbon tax
and to stay in government. It's equally reliant on the Greens, and they're seeing red over Labor's
preference for the offshore processing of asylum seekers.

BOB BROWN, GREENS LEADER: We Greens won't have it, I won't have it. We are going to fight this all
the way through the parliamentary process.

MARK SIMKIN: As for the bureaucrats who warn that onshore processing could lead to civil unrest ...

BOB BROWN: These turkeys out of the bureaucracy in Canberra who are prognosticating about Australia
somehow or other becoming Paris or London burning, they should be out on their ears. There was a
mistake here when some of them were kept on from the Howard era.

MARK SIMKIN: Completely wrong, according to the Prime Minister.

Mark Simkin, Lateline.

Asylum seekers not stopped by offshore processing

Asylum seekers not stopped by offshore processing

Broadcast: 08/09/2011

Reporter: Matt Brown

Asylum seekers in Indonesia say they are undeterred by Federal Government plans to revive offshore


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Asylum seekers in Indonesia say the Federal Government's plans to revive
offshore processing won't stop them taking boats to Australia.

And Lateline understands a new boatload of people has been marshalled in the port of Makassar on

While the policy debate rages in Australia, the smugglers and their clients are undeterred.

Indonesia correspondent Matt Brown reports from Makassar.

MATT BROWN, REPORTER: Makassar is a bustling port on the south-west tip of the sprawling island of
Sulawesi. Its docks host sailors, fishermen and others doing dodgy deals.

Makassar is a hub for people smugglers and their clients and events here highlight the Gillard
Government's quandary.

The asylum seekers in Makassar's immigration detention centre are pleased the so-called Malaysia
Solution is in tatters.

MOHAMMAD NASIR ASHMADI, HAZARA ASYLUM SEEKER: I am very happy that still they're - in Australia
there are a lot of people that are still - they are you can say generous people, they are trying to
help the humanity.

MATT BROWN: Mohammad Nasir Ahmadi said he fled extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but was
detained en route to Australia in a boat just off Bali six months ago.

Would you try to go again by boat to Australia?

MOHAMMAD NASIR ASHMADI: Yeah. Especially, yeah, because we cannot live here in Indonesia. We are
asylum seekers, we are living here illegally. We are coming to go to Australia, not coming to stay
in Indonesia detention centres in bad conditions.

MATT BROWN: While the Gillard Government's been talking tough and still wants an offshore
processing regime, its repeated failure to achieve one has undermined its credibility.

MOHAMMAD NASIR ASHMADI: I don't think that Australian Government, Australian policy could be like
this, that they will send us to the other third countries.

MATT BROWN: These men make no apologies for paying smugglers to bypass years of waiting for the
United Nations to find them a safe place to live and they question the morality of trying to deter
them from getting to Australia any way they can.

MOHAMMAD NASIR ASHMADI: They must try to provide protection for us, not reject us. They can reject
smugglers. They cannot reject asylum seekers.

MATT BROWN: The Immigration Department warns around 600 people a month will take to the boats if
the Government can't get offshore processing up and running. But most here argue the Taliban are
more frightening than the Gillard Government's plans.

One of them, named Assadulah, ignored threats he'd be sent to Malaysia and was on his way to a boat
when he was detained at Makassar Airport just two weeks ago.

Do you think that the Government will send you away if you go by boat?

ASSADULAH, AFGHAN ASYLUM SEEKER: I can't say anything. Maybe not, sir. Maybe not.

MATT BROWN: You'll still try?

ASSADULAH: I will still try, sir. I will try.

MATT BROWN: Right now, the only thing preventing more boats from heading to Australia is the
Indonesian police. With the help of their Australian counterparts, they've arrested several
high-level smugglers this year, but the networks remain active.

BRIGADIER SUPARNO, WATER POLICE (voiceover translation): That's what humans are like. While we can
look for them, they can also see us, and we can't see them because they can hide.

MATT BROWN: Lateline understands that since the High Court's ruling last week, more would-be
passengers have been sent to Makassar, ready for the next boat to Australia. A source familiar with
the venture says it was organised by a smuggler named Zamin Ali, alias Haji Sakhi, who's on
Australia's extradition list.

JAMILAH NOMPO, PEOPLE SMUGGLING TASK FORCE (voiceover translation): Haji Sakhi is an Afghan who's
been residing in Indonesia for a long time. He's a smuggler. He lives in Jakarta and he has a
syndicate in Makassar.

MATT BROWN: The smuggler's been able to arrange the voyage despite the fact that he's in jail on
previous smuggling charges.

The anti-people smuggling effort is undermined at every turn by corrupt Indonesian officials. These
police documents show last year, 19 asylum seekers were detained in the home of a local Army
officer who'd organised the boat they were to travel on. But the Indonesian police don't even know
if he's been punished.

Most Indonesian officials believe Australia will only stop the boats if it bars entry to every
person who arrives on one.

Matt Brown, Lateline.

Australia's richest person iron ore heiress Gina Reinhart is being sued by her daughter. Matter
brought by her daughter opened with a brief mention in the NSW intreem court today. The details of
the lawsuit are a mystery. The barristers about to apply for a suppression order on the case. The
matter is due back in the

ACCC objects to poultry marketing

ACCC objects to poultry marketing

Broadcast: 08/09/2011


The ACCC is taking action against the bulk of the poultry industry over the label 'Free to roam',
alleging it is misleading.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: The poultry marketing label "free to roam" is heading to the Federal Court.

The ACCC, the consumer watchdog, is taking action against the bulk of the poultry industry over the
label, alleging the "free to roam" tag is misleading.

The ACCC action is in response to consumer and animal activist complaints.

The action is against the industry group the Australian Chicken Meat Federation and most of the
major poultry producers, including Baiada and Turi Foods.

The respondents have declined to comment on the action apart from Baiada, which denies it's
involved in misleading conduct.

Inquiry attacks British army over death in custody

Inquiry attacks British army over death in custody

Broadcast: 08/09/2011


An independent inquiry into the death of Iraqi citizen Baha Mousa in British army custody found
evidence of 'an appalling episode of serious gratuitous violence'.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: An independent inquiry has found that an Iraqi civilian who died in British
Army custody suffered "an appalling episode of serious gratuitous violence".

Baha Mousa, a hotel receptionist and father of two, died in 2003 after being detained in Basra
along with nine other suspected insurgents.

Mr Mousa sustained 93 separate injuries during his time in custody.

The inquiry found his death was caused by a combination of his injuries, some of which were
sustained during a final violent assault by one soldier, Donald Payne.

Retired judge Sir William Gage, who led the three-year investigation, blamed corporate failure at
the Ministry of Defence for the use of banned interrogation methods in Iraq.

Oklahoma group pushes ban of sharia law

Oklahoma group pushes ban of sharia law

Broadcast: 08/09/2011

Reporter: Craig McMurtrie

Muslim leaders in the US say their rights are being violated by a push to prohibit Oklahoma judges
from considering Islamic law in deciding cases.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: In the United States a controversial push to prohibit Oklahoma judges from
considering Islamic law in deciding cases heads back to court just in time for this week's 9/11

One of the groups behind it has plans for a similar campaign in Australia.

Muslim leaders in the US state say it violates their rights and stigmatises their faith.

And as North America correspondent Craig McMurtrie reports, the row is particularly confronting for
one 9/11 widow which is a Muslim.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE, REPORTER: Baraheen Ashrafi didn't always wear her hijab, or head scarf, every day,
but September 11 changed everything, including her approach to her religion.

BARAHEEN ASHRAFI, 9/11 WIDOW: I don't consider them as a Muslim. In Islam, it doesn't say to do
anything, harm people.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: After 9/11, she covered up and felt she had to escape New York. She moved to the
heart of the US Bible belt, Oklahoma.

BARAHEEN ASHRAFI: I don't see that many people in here wearing hijab; probably once in a while.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: She was a new mother. She'd given birth to a boy two days after the Twin Towers
fell and she was on her own. Her husband, a waiter on the 107th floor of the north tower, died that
day. His remains have never been found.

BARAHEEN ASHRAFI: They don't know that Muslim was killed on that day. It's been 10 years. How come,
you know, people still they don't know?

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: In the years that followed 9/11, reported hate crimes directed at members of the
Muslim community were almost unheard of in Oklahoma. Until last year, when a public campaign was
launched to amend the state constitution to specifically prohibit courts referring to sharia law.

IMAD ENCHASSI, OKLAHOMA CITY IMAM: It demonised me and dehumanised me to the point that you feel
like you're a second-class citizen.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: When Muslim leaders like Imam Imad Enchassi objected, he says the public reaction
was much worse than the suspicion after the 1995 Oklahoma bombing and the aftermath of the 9/11
terrorist attacks.

IMAD ENCHASSI: I would say the most hate crime and the most threats we got was after the sharia law
was blocked.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: Muslims make up less than one per cent of the state's population. No-one had been
seriously pushing for courts to follow Islamic law.

MUNEER AWAD, COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS: What you have is always a handful of
organisations and individuals that have launched a very well-funded and well-planned campaign of

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: Lawyer Muneer Awad and other Muslim leaders started receiving hate mail after
Oklahoma voters were bombarded by a series of automated phone calls.

ADVERTISEMENT (female voiceover): A law that says a husband can demand sexual relations from his
wife without her consent.

MUNEER AWAD: There was a lot of anti-Muslim hysteria, paranoia and a lot of campaigning based on
anti-Muslim bigotry.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: For proponents like Act for America, founded after 9/11, it was a pre-emptive

BRIGITTE GABRIEL, ACT FOR AMERICA: Our goal is to pass it in every state we can, and we will do
everything in our power using all our resources to make sure we send a very strong message to
radicals living within our midst.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: Brigitte Gabriel leads a lobby group with 175,000 members. She says they're
exercising their freedom of speech to protect Muslim women in America from sharia law. She uses an
assumed name and has received her own hate mail.

BRIGITTE GABRIEL: Being an Islamaphobe is not an irrational fear. We are dealing with terrorists
living among us, trying to blow us up whether we want to acknowledge it or not.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: And she has plans for Australia.

BRIGITTE GABRIEL: Act for Australia is the latest. We are dealing with Australian individuals who
are very interested in setting up a model that follows Act for America, because obviously our
friends - our model works. We have perfected how our - how we do things. It's like a McDonald

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: Oklahoma voters overwhelmingly supported the pre-emptive ban, but a federal judge
blocked it on appeal. And so in the midst of controversy, one Oklahoma resident finds herself
reluctantly back in the limelight, reminding people that there were also Muslim victims on 9/11.

BARAHEEN ASHRAFI: I can't explain it in any words, but I wish - I want to see his face, how the
face, you know, to see.

CRAIG MCMURTRIE: The next round in the contentious case is due to be heard the day after September

Craig McMurtrie, Lateline.

September 11 survivor devotes herself to others

September 11 survivor devotes herself to others

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 08/09/2011

Reporter: Tony Jones

Edie Lutnick lost her brother and 658 colleagues in the September 11 attacks and has devoted the
past decade to helping the families of victims.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Here is our guest.

Edie Lutnick and her two brothers worked at Cantor Fitzgerald, a Wall Street firm which lost 658
people in the September 11 attacks.

Among the dead was her brother Gary.

Edie Lutnick has devoted the past decade to helping the families of victims and has now released An
Unbroken Bond, a book based on her experiences.

She joins us now from New York.

Thanks for being there.


TONY JONES: Now, by a stroke of luck, extraordinary luck, really, you were not in the World Trade
Center that morning. How did you learn what had happened?

EDIE LUTNICK: I was actually scheduled to have a meeting. My office was on the 101st floor. And I
received, like so many people around the world, telephone calls that said, "Turn on the television.
Turn on the television." And I did.

And so I saw what was going on and, you know, just the devastating destruction that took both my
brother and so many people that we knew and loved and worked with and, you know, I've now come to
know by taking care of their families over the last 10 years.

TONY JONES: The plane actually hit on the 92nd floor or around the 92nd floor. Your brother Gary
and the other 657 Cantor Fitzgerald employees were above that, as you say, on the floors from 101
and the next three or four floors above that. Did you at first think because they weren't hit in
the initial explosion from the plane that they'd been spared?

EDIE LUTNICK: Um, no. You know, I - you have to understand, and I go into this in the book, An
Unbroken Bond, but, you know, I worked on 101st floor, my brother Gary worked on the 104th floor,
my brother Howard worked on the 105th floor. Cantor had floors 101 through 105.

And as I saw the planes go in, I received a phone call from my brother Gary and my initial reaction
was, you know, that he wasn't there, since both of my brothers had been spared in the bombing in
1993. And - but once I spoke to him, I knew that he wasn't going to survive and based on where they
were in the building that nobody was going to survive.

And then my brother Howard, who was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten, ran down to
the site and he also knew because he was there when the buildings collapsed that no-one that we
knew who was up on Cantor's floors during that time period was going to survive.

TONY JONES: So when Gary rang you, he knew he was trapped, did he? He knew that he wouldn't be able
to get out?

EDIE LUTNICK: Yes. He - you know, as I said, I go into this in the book, you know - but he knew
that he was not going to live.

TONY JONES: They were extraordinary moments because throughout New York, throughout the United
States and even throughout the world, people were calling their relatives from those buildings, and
of course they must have been the most extraordinary calls of all because many of them, most of
them probably were the last time that people would speak to their loved ones.

EDIE LUTNICK: Well, sure. But, you know, the thing that I'd like to focus on if it's OK is that
9/11 was a terrible tragedy that day and what we lost was horrific, but as a result of that, you
know, I have found myself in the middle of a story that has yet to be told, which is: what was the
10 years like for these families? What has this 10 years brought to us with respect to the memorial
and with respect to how our government has been involved with us?

There's so much that we can learn from what happened on 9/11 and so many issues that are still
resolved and, you know, that we still need to take a look at as a society. I think that educating
people about 9/11 and the 10 years after and even beyond this anniversary is what we can take away
from 9/11, beyond the initial tragedy.

TONY JONES: OK, let's talk about that because the question remains - I mean, you were extremely
close to your brother Gary. In fact you brought him up not only as a sister, but almost as a mother
because you lost both your parents.

So how did you manage to get through that loss? That's the question everyone finds
incomprehensible. And I know I've seen you say you partly did it by finding a mission larger than

EDIE LUTNICK: I think that that's - I think that that's correct. You know, on September 13th my
brother Howard in the midst of all of this called me and said, "Edie, I want to start a charity to
take care of the families and I need to you run it." And my initial thought was that he had lost
his mind, that I was in no condition to do this, and really, there were so many people that were
better qualified to do this and in better shape than I was.

And I started thinking about who those people were, and then I realised they were all gone. And so
I said OK because I wanted to help - you know, if losing Gary was bringing me into the state that
it had brought me in, I couldn't even imagine what my brother Howard was going through.

I mean, he lost his brother, he lost all these people that he had hired and his company was
basically in the rubble. So, we started this charity and taking care of people, you know, was

Howard always says that it takes a broken heart to heel a broken heart, and I think that these
families have helped me in my journey towards healing every bit as much as I've been able to help

TONY JONES: The core to that - because Cantor Fitzgerald suffered greater losses than any other
institution, certainly than any other company in New York at the time. You would think it would
just have shut up its doors and closed down, but the key to what you've done was actually to keep
the company alive.

EDIE LUTNICK: Well, you know, in An Unbroken Bond I go through the fact that, you know, on
September 10th we had 960 employees. On September 11th after we had figured everything out, we had

Now the company has 1,600 in New York. And the reason that the firm survived was that it was so
important to the survivors and to Howard that we have a firm that's still standing, that you can
say, "This is where my mommy worked, this is where my daddy worked," for the children who were yet
to be born or who had just recently been born or who were very, very young.

So that when this became, you know, history, as opposed to an event that happened at the moment,
that they would have something that they could look at and say, "This is where they worked." And
now we actually have some of those children interning and working at Cantor Fitzgerald.

TONY JONES: Now, by all accounts Howard's a very tough man and some of his competitors were
actually quite happy in a sort of horrible way to see him on his knees. They hoped the company
would go down. Did he see it as a challenge to keep the company alive or as his responsibility to
keep it alive?

EDIE LUTNICK: I don't think it was either of those things. I think that, you know, this was
something that he and the survivors wanted to do in love and memory of those that we had lost. And
he pledged 25 per cent of the profits of the firm and 10 years of health care, which has resulted
in our giving away over $180 million to the families of those we lost and some - those who were
eligible still have health care today.

TONY JONES: Yes. But it was interesting for Howard though because he went - in the eyes of the
media he went from hero when he was on Larry King shedding tears for all those lost, to villain
when a few days afterwards he cut the pay cheques of the families of the victims who were lost or

Yes, I know, but that's how it was portrayed. You remember that so some of the family members were
very critical of him at the time. He must have gone through a pretty tough period then because he
claims he did that because he had to.

EDIE LUTNICK: You know, it's not a claim; it was reality, and I would urge you and those who
watched - you know, who are watching your show now to read An Unbroken Bond because it also has the
story of Cantor Fitzgerald's recovery in it as well as the journey of the families.

But, the reality is that there was no other choice. If - you cannot continue pay cheques when two
thirds of your workforce is gone. They are the revenue producers for the firm. There is no money.

What has been going on with respect to being able to try to keep the firm is an extraordinarily
difficult set of circumstances. Howard made tough decisions that had to be made. You know, the
portrayal at the time as if somehow he had a choice in this and chose to, you know, stop pay
cheques is just not correct.

And the reality is as we stand here today with a rebuilt firm and a sea of strangers whose only
thing they had in common was the fact that their loved ones had been murdered while at work at
Cantor Fitzgerald who are now a community that have gone forward, healing together, and he has been
able to honour every commitment that he ever made above and beyond to our families, I think that we
can all in hindsight say, "You know what? He made the choices that he had to make. They were tough
choices. He was, you know, erroneously set upon, and the families of Cantor Fitzgerald are much
better off as a result of the decisions that he has made."

TONY JONES: And we should make the point here that in fact some of his harshest critics among the
families all came around in the end and decided that what he'd done was the right thing.

EDIE LUTNICK: That's correct. There wasn't a choice.

TONY JONES: Sure. It took nearly 10 years for the US to track down and kill the man who ordered the
attacks, Osama bin Laden. You've been critical of the idea that this would actually bring closure
to the victims of 9/11. Tell us why.

EDIE LUTNICK: You know, one of the things that I say in An Unbroken Bond is that the word closure
tells you who deeply understands this tragedy and who doesn't. When you have loved and lost
someone, there is no closure, in any set of circumstances.

And when you have loved and lost someone in such a public way and it comes up over and over again
when tragedy strikes all over the place, there is no closure. And there shouldn't be closure,
because 9/11 is something that unfortunately is now part of all of our realities, all over the
world. We have two families that are Australian. And this is something that we need to look at, we
need to learn from, we need to analyse, we need to teach our children about.

And the best way I heard somebody say it, and they said it in relation to the death of Osama bin
Laden, they said that it's a comma, not a period. The 10-year anniversary is a milestone, it's the
ability for us to look at how we've spent these last 10 years, how we can do it better going
forward. But it's not an ending, it's not a closure.

TONY JONES: Edie, one of the other things about your story that intrigued me was that you were one
of those who were critical, quite critical of the decision to allow a mosque to be built in the
precincts of the World Trade Center or close by it. Why was that? Why did you feel that was a

EDIE LUTNICK: You know, my role in this has always been to voice the positions of my families, so
it's not my personal feelings really almost that I ever espouse. But for me and for our families
it's not a question of religion, it's a question of sensitivity.

We would like 9/11 to be about 9/11. When you come to the memorial, we would like for you to think
about those who have passed away. I tell people all the time that if I could have, you know, one
wish with respect to all of this, I would urge everybody to pick the name of a 9/11 family - sorry,
pick the name of a 9/11 victim, learn something about that victim and then do an act of kindness in
their name.

When you come to the 9/11 memorial, focus on 9/11. The memorial itself is - it's about absence,
it's about the lack of verticality. So, it was important to my families that what you see and what
you hear when you come to the 9/11 memorial be about the victims of 9/11. It's not about religion,
it's about sensitivity.

TONY JONES: Edie Lutnick, many of us'll be thinking about you and everyone else among those - the
victims' families and so on on Sunday. We thank you very much for taking the time to come and join

EDIE LUTNICK: Thank you and I hope your readership will - your viewership will read An Unbroken
Bond, which is now available on

TONY JONES: Yes. Thanks for that.

Gaddafi promises to defeat NATO

Gaddafi promises to defeat NATO

Broadcast: 08/09/2011


Libya's fugitive leader Moamar Gaddafi has dismissed as lies and psychological warfare speculation
he is fleeing into neighbouring Niger.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Libya's fugitive leader Moamar Gaddafi has dismissed as lies and
psychological warfare speculation he's fleeing to neighbouring Niger.

In a telephone call to a Syrian TV channel that apparently originated in Libya, Gaddafi promised to
stay in Libya and said that his forces would defeat NATO and the National Transitional Council.

MOAMMAR GADDAFI, FUGITIVE LIBYAN LEADER (voiceover translation): The rebels will be alone in the
battlefield and masses of people will launch a devastating attack against them.

TONY JONES: Clashes have broken out between rebels and loyalists outside the Libyan town of Bani
Walid, south of Tripoli where thousands of rebels have converged.

Public sector workers protest NSW policy

Public sector workers protest NSW policy

Broadcast: 08/09/2011

Reporter: Andrew Geoghegan

Thousands of public sector workers walked off the job today to march on NSW state parliament in
protest at a planned 5,000 job cuts and a cap on pay rises.


TONY JONES, PRESENTER: It was the biggest rally seen in New South Wales in a generation.

Thousands of teachers, nurses, firefighters and other government workers walked off the job today
to march on State Parliament.

They're protesting at the Government's plan to cut 5,000 public service jobs and they're angry
about a 2.5 per cent cap on pay rises.

Andrew Geoghegan reports.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN, REPORTER: They came from around the state, a show of union strength against the
cuts to public sector jobs and conditions.

Organisers put the turnout at 30,000 people.

MARK LENNON, UNIONS NSW: If the Premier, if he had any doubts about the level of anger amongst
public sector workers and the community at large over his policies, that all he needs to do is to
have a look out his window up here in Parliament House and all of those doubts'll be dispelled.

BARRY O'FARRELL, NSW PREMIER: No, look, this is the union movement attempting to flex its muscle,
inconveniencing the public pointlessly because the policy will not change.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Teachers defied a ruling by the NSW Industrial Relations Commission not to strike
and walked off the job for 24 hours, forcing the closure of 600 public schools.

New legislation means that unless they increase productivity, pay increases will be capped at 2.5
per cent a year, well below the current rate of inflation.

The NSW Government has also cut the powers of the Industrial Relations Commission to arbitrate in
wage cases.

BARRY O'FARRELL: There were people inconvenienced today because the Teachers' Federation decided to
ignore the very body they claim to be protecting.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Police officers joined in, even though they've been given an exception from the
cap on pay rises.

SCOTT WEBER, NSW POLICE ASSOCIATION: Today, police officers are marching against injustice. When we
see it out on the street, we stand up. When we see it in crime, we stand up. But today we see it in
the NSW Government.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Ferry services were suspended when staff walked off the job without warning.

Within earshot of the protest, the Opposition Leader was delivering his response to the Coalition's
austerity budget handed down earlier this week.

ANDREW ROBERTSON, NSW OPPOSITION LEADER: That sound that you'll hear today is the cry of betrayal
from tens of thousands of nurses, teachers, police, firefighters and other public sector workers.
Their wages and conditions king hit by this premier's decision to bring back the worst of

ALLANAH ANSON, POLICE OFFICER: When you mess with public sector workers' rights, then the public
sector will move heaven and earth to remove you from government.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: This may be just the start of a concerted campaign of industrial chaos for NSW.
While that may not mean ongoing strike action, the unions want to make life as difficult as
possible for the NSW Government.

Andrew Geoghegan, Lateline.

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