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(generated from captions) internationally, should not

collaborate with these kinds of

schemes. Navi Pillay there.

Today, federal MPs will get a

chance to quiz the Climate

Commission which a forum at

Parliament House. Tony Windsor,

one of the independent MPs in

the Lower House, is on the

climate committee which will

set the carbon tax price. Tony

Windsor joins us from Canberra

this morning. You have read the

climate change commission

report. What's your take from

it? I think today will see a

lot of the issues explained. I

think they have identified what

most people believe, that

climate change is real, and the

decisions that we have to make

as parliamentarians is what we

do about that and what

structure that takes. Today's

gathering will shed some more

light on not only what the commission thinks but what

people from across Australia,

who will be attending, actually

think, and what questions they

have in relation to the report

itself. Having read the report

and heard the fairly blunt

warnings yesterday from Tim

Flannery, are you more inclined to believe a carbon price above

$30 is the best way of

encouraging a shift to

renewable energy? You are not

getting at the price, are you?

I believe that climate change

is occurring. The wrestle we

are having is what role does Australia play in terms of the

global context. The

Productivity Commission will

release a document within weeks

as to the implicit and explicit carbon prices that exist

globally, and it is within that

context that I will be making a decision - if my vote is

important - on that particular issue. People at the last

election, some suggested that

the world isn't doing anything.

I think the Productivity

Commission will identify what

the world is in fact doing,

whether it be through one of

the 35 emissions trading

schemes or some other policy

that has implicit prices built

into it. That is the context,

and today will flesh out that

context. As well, the

commission will have various

views on what the rest of the

world is doing and what

Australia should do to be part

of that. There is no doubt in

my mind that if we are going to

address this issue, pricing

carbon is the cheapest way of

addressing the issue. Pricing

carbon higher rather than lower? There may be a balance

between the price and complementary measures which

may drive some of the

industries towards renewable

energy sources. I do not think

we will see a massive price -

we may not see a price at all.

We have to let it play out a

bit. The committee has been

doing its work. There will be

reports from a whole range of

different groups, including the

Productivity Commission, and

within the next month we should

have some idea of where we are

going. Do you believe this

report will change the tenor of

what is still very much a

polarised political debate in

Canberra about not so much

whether a carbon tax should be

introduced and at what level,

but whether climate change

exists at all? I hope it

does. Because we are dealing

with a very serious issue here.

precautionary principle - not My private view is one of the

that different to a lot of

other politicians - if the

climate scientists are right,

and the great weight of

evidence suggests they may well

be, and we do nothing, what

have we done? If they happen to

be wrong and we do something,

what have we done? The answers

are self-evident. The point is:

Is the world going to do

something? If the world is

doing very little or nothing,

Australia will not make much

difference, so why should we

endure the pain? I will look

closely at the global context

and what role we should play, as the heaviest emitter per

capita in the world, in that

context. Tony Windsor, a very

busy day ahead, thanks for