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the Child Protection service itself.Proving age is barrier to reaching your goals. You don't choose to be a certain age, it just happens. But, you can choose what you do with it. And new Tigers Dan Marsh. I don't think cricket is an overly complicated game but the coaches and players can make it complicated.

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Welcome to the program. Hello, I'm Airlie Ward. There have been 13 reports and 600 recommendations on Tasmania's failing Child Protection system conducted
since 2005. Reviews are conducted and findings largely accepted, but professionals say the system remains broken. told 7:30 Tasmania that the biggest threat to the protection of children in the State at the moment is the Child Protection service itself. He's advocating a complete overhaul, and taking dispute resolution away from the courts and into the hands of the public guardian. The Government admits there doesn't always - it doesn't always get it right and says changes are on the way - on the way. I have written apologies from Child Protection. It does make me feel a little bit easier in that I know I was right and I did nothing wrong. But it doesn't change the fact of the offered
damage they have caused and offered nothing in support. son
It's cost me $30,000 to get my son back.We are calling this man Jo. To talk to 7:30 true
Tasmania we had to hide his true identity, revealing it would lead to the identification of his son, which would breach the law. Because his son was the Protection authorities.
subject of action by Child Protection authorities. in May last year Jo's nightmare experience with Child Protection began. They are destroying families and the role should be to put families back together. Z a Child to
Protection worker sent an email to a lawyer involved in a family court dispute alleging Jo's son was at risk of emotional abuse from him. Within hours, Jo was stopped from seeing his son. How did you find out that this chain of events had unfolded? Because of court documents and emails and times on emails. white doesn't lie. He discovered the Child Protection to
worker emailed a notification to the lawyer, along with comment and opinion. The Child Protection worker had not actually seen Jo's son. She made the allegation based on the notification. after pursuing the chain of events, Child Protection apologised to Jo. Child Protection services did not investigate the concerns or seek to verify robbed concerns. In one letter from the area director, Jo was told Child Protection appropriately made a decision not to investigate. The lost
actions of the worker meant Jo lost contact with his son for more than three weeks. In another letter, the Child for Jo, that's not good enough. There not support, they haven't knocked on my door, or come to see my son to see whether we are okay - misleading document
nothing.And Jo says the misleading document is still being used against him. It's still being used court to this day. I think deserves an apologise and he cleared.Jo sought
deserves to have his record cleared.Jo sought an ex gratia payment from the Government to could have his - cover his legal costs and compensation for the ordeal. But he's knocked back. Government the
backbencher Brenton Best says the man's treatment at the has
hands of a Government agency taken
has been unfair. An order was taken out without the proper research to back it. The decision was made and subsequently found to be an error. At the end of the day he shouldn't suffer and be out of pocket, no.Jo is now considering civil action. There was an error made in this circumstance and Child Protection, I understand, have apologised to the family in question. Should that gentleman wish to take it further in terms of legal compensation, then that's a to
matter for him to bring forward to us.He's not the only one frustrated with the system. Dr Bastian Seidel is a general Valley.
practitioner in the Huon Valley. We often don't know whether the notification has been received, or whether the notification has been acted on.So what you need to them up to know whether or not
they have in fact followed notification?Yes,
through on your notification?Yes, that's from
correct.Improved communication from the department was a key recommendation from a recent parliamentary inquiry. In an area like this, if we haven't heard within 24 hours the question is who is going to follow up on the notification? And if we don't know, it's Child Protection, we have make other arrangements to make sure that the child potentially is safe.While Dr Seidel says he has to chase up the authority to see if they have acted on his concerns, in sole gist Tim Sanderson's experience, they were too quick to judge. I objected to the fact the children were taken away. I was told they had been and I was very clear with them, I didn't think this was the right thing to do. And I was threatened by the case worker.Professionals who suspect any form of child Sanderson reported a couple he was counselling. During the therapeutic clear that the children were being subject to observing a great deal of family and on one particular occasion it was a significant issue. We had a plan where we resolving issue that is we had around arguing and we had a plan forward.Brian, not his real name, has given permission for his psychologist, Tim Sanderson, to speak about the case.At any time did it come out that the children had been subjected to any violence?

It is well-documented that children can be damaged by witnessing it. Are they bad parents? Not in my opinion. They have significant personal issues which we were working on, and which were improving. No-one was interested in that. He says Child Protection equivalent
removing the children was equivalent to cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. Have the people involved, the case workers involved, actually done what they were supposed to do, which was an initial assessment making
of the situation, rather than making a judgment at a which is really what I think happened, things might have actually taken a different journey.So it's your opinion that they didn't in fact go and assess this family in their home? That's not an opinion. assessment.
That's a fact. There was no assessment. Mr Sander son says initially
the three young boys were initially split up and placed in foster care. People in Child Protection would object
to the use of the word warehousing, but that's really in my opinion what happened. I think the biggest threat to protection of children in the the Child
State at the moment is in fact the Child Protection services itself. There have been many reports critical of Tasmania's Child Protection system. Child Protection has been described as defensive and secretive - needs to better support families rather than remove children, and to use less adversarial practices prior to matters being of escalated to court. We know where we can keep children safely with their families that is the best place. We don't always get it right. No jurisdiction gets it right all the time.Children's says
Minister, Michelle O'Byrne, says recent inquiries into Child Protection followed the high-profile case of the prostitution girl. She says such cases can lead to mistakes. When there are very high-profile cases around Child Protection or the safety of a child we almost a knee-jerk reaction from people who become risk the
averse.It was who ren does for the family, expensive, incredibly expensive. parents had to borrow money, which is often the kay. Case.After fighting, Brian and his wife had their children returned. was
The Child Protection service was going to court for a long-term order. We were looking at the children being taken into care until they were 18. That was what they were A. The child - after. The Child Protection service dropped the case. On the Friday, and they gave it away. They have emotionally harmed them more than we would ever have and they have definitely established a distrust for authority.

Where there are no criminal allegations of abuse or neglect, Mr Sander son is advocating the public guardian be involved in resolving disputes rather than the courts. As an example, he cites mental health cases.
guidelines
There are very strict guidelines and requirements that have to be met, even within hours of a doctor making a sdis to put somebody in think they
hospital under an order. I think they have two hours in which the paperwork has to be submitted. That kind of demand is about protecting rights. Children don't have
that. We are more interested in pursuing a more tribunal-based role, which is similar to theThe Minister says changes to the legislation are coming. We'll be introducing the amendments as recommended by the legislative review committee in the November session. Hopefully tabling the first day for debate that first week to make sure we get it to before
the Upper House and dealt with Also included will be funding for an advocacy role, to help parents navigate the system. week
Negotiations continued this week between public sector nurses and the State Government over a new has been progress, but across the State have still voted to rollout industrial action. The sticking point is the use of graduate and base-grade nurses in management roles. A practice the union says is unsafe, and forcing nurses out of the State. Linda Hunt reports. Ashley White is on her lunch break after a busy morning in the Royal Hobart Hospital's oncology unit. It can be very hectic. There is lots to do, lots to fit into a shift. You do the best you can and try not to pass too much on to the next shift.Rosie O'Keeffe worked the night shift. Basically always have a full ward of patients. And working full-time shift work around that, with double top, is - it's very trying. It's fatiguing.The pair are committed to their jobs, but have joined more than 4,000 public sector nurses to the latest round of industrial action. It follows a breakdown of negotiations between the nursing union and the State Government for a new workplace close
agreement. Nurses were very close to accepting 2% for the next 12 months, and are we thought that it would be reasonable if there was no changes to other conditions and the like.But the union wants a change. Specifically an end to the practice of loading base-grade nurses with managerial work loads. We are seeing them now being requested and directed to be in charge of wards and rural hospitals after hours. So clearly we haven't got the correct skill mix. We haven't got the more senior clinical nurses coordinators employed, who meant to be actually in charge of wards and hospitals after hours. A base-grade nurse is grade 3, that's what I am and the nurses that are normally they
charge are great 4 nurses. And they are nottelible to be a - eligible to be a grade 4 nurse, but working in roles.Nurses like Ashley White performing
and Rosie O'Keeffe are performing the more senior roles without appropriate pay, or recognition. It makes me really angry, it makes me really upset that we are being asked to fulfil these senior roles, when we are - we don't have the experience for it and we are not thanked in any way. It doesn't reflect in our - in our professional grade or our pay. It's just expected of us to go above and beyond our normal duties. Clearly we are very concerned that budgets are driving the quality of skill mix. Obviously that's why we need to negotiate that into an industrial agreement.Public sector nurses across the are now taking limited
industrial action. , insisting on lunch breaks, claiming over time and refusing to fill some hospital forms. I would encourage the ANMF to come issues
to the table and discuss these issues with Government through appropriate processes.As the dispute draws on, it's costing publicity.
the Government more than bad publicity. The nursing federation estimates the industrial bans will add up to tens of thousands of dollars P/
each week. While staff to rise.
vacancies at hospitals continue to rise. Many of our senior clinical nurses have left. We vacancies now
have got quite significant vacancies now for senior nurses in our Intensive Care around 14 at the Royal, vacancies in the suites, these are areas crying out in need of specialist clinical nurses, however, we are now finding it's very difficult to attract nurses back into Tasmania. On average, there are two double shifts worked efrd day at the Royal Hobart Hospital and the Launceston general hospital. The nurses union says last week alone, there were ten double shifts at the LGH. A double 17 hours straight.
shift means the nurse must work

It's exhausting. It's like - it's kind of like you feel like you have run a marathon and because it is a busy ward and most of the wards at the hospital are, you are literally on your feet all day, get two half hour breaks during that time. And it's - you've got to keep on the it's a real juggle and quite stressful to be able to keep on the ball for your patients and for yourself. I guess as you get tired and run down, you get sick, and
fatigued and sometimes end up sick, and then there's your sick leave to cover with someone else. It's a agreement
circle.Time to reach a new agreement is running out. current one December, and the union isn't ruling out further bans. A 24-hour ban on double shift as cross the State would bring our health system to a stand still. It's the last thing we want to do, but we certainly need demonstrate to the Government goodwill
they can't keep relying on the goodwill of nurses without treating us with respect. There is a lot of goodwill nursing. Most nurses do go above and beyond their regular duties. Mainly because we care and we - I guess the aren't always available, so someone's got to do it and we are the type of people who will pick it up.

For many years, she was the first lady of Tasmanian politics, but there is a lot more to Gillian Groom than meets the eye. As well as raising six children, and being the rock of former premier, Ray Groom, she's been somewhat of a Pioneer in the field of occupational therapy. At almost 70, Mrs Groom has now achieved another life-long goal. Annah Fromberg reports. The Groom family is well-known for its political pedigree. This is obviously a very proud moment for me and all my Liberal colleagues.But studying law is the real family tradition.

Five generations of Gillian Groom's family have dedicated themselves to the profession, and Mrs Groom has watched on with keen interest. Because brother went off and did law, children
and I watched five of our children do it, and that interest just increased, and also, of course, I was going out with Ray at the time, when he did Gillian Groom's father was a magistrate, and her uncle a judge. Despite the long lineage of lawyers, Mrs Groom's parents steered her in a was
different direction. My mother was very keen on occupational therapy, bearing in mind that then,
was a very young profession then, and I discussed it with my father, and he was a barrister at the thought that it was a good idea, because it was a new, exciting profession that I could help in the development he
of, and be satisfied. whereas the
he thought law, at that stage, the way he put it to me, was that he was concerned that I might not get the work I deserve. She followed her advice, and became the 15th an
person in Australia to become an occupational therapist. What is your Nat rag rhythm, whether you are better at the beginning of the day, or the profession.
end.She helped shape the profession. I have absolutely
no regrets. I think he had a point. fifty years later, Gillian Groom has decided to go back to school. She enrolled in law at the university of Tasmania four years ago.

and raised
Given your children are grown politics,
and raised now, retired from politics, in a way, did you see this as your time? I did feel that, yes. I don't mind admitting this. I thought - not that I was, you know, not happy doing all the other things, I really enjoyed being supporting
a mother and being a spouse, supporting that political endeavour - quite happy doing that. But it was a rather nice liberating feeling to think, well, now that university can be my space. Mrs Groom's family was supportive, especially her youngest son Ben who prepared her a short guide to studying law. Mrs Groom says she refers to it almost daily, every time she does it brings a tier to her eye - tear to her eye. Mum, imso proud of you for having a crack at studying There is no possible downside for your having this experience. . I just think

To begin with, Gillian didn't quite know what expect. It had been decades since she'd studied at university,But I did that I would be a bit isolated. I'm not absolutely certain, but I think I was the oldest in the time that I was there. No-one made any point about it, and it wasn't relevant. But what I found was the most supportive, inclusive, exciting environment. It's a fabulous university. And I loved every minute of it. from friends
She faced plenty of questions from friends and along the way. Not why are doing it, but where are you going to put it - that's the question. Now, I really believe in the value of people continuing in the workforce to some extent, it doesn't have to be paid, but I just think people that have had a lifetime of experience have a huge amount to give. Gillian Groom is still not entirely sure where she'll take her law degree, but she hopes to marry both her professions. I think it's a very good marriage - the two, the health and the law. Through my professional experience, I have come up many, many times, against issues that I have seen that require legal input. And people have not always had She still needs to do legal Bar.
prac and get admitted to the Bar. For now, she's enjoying spending time with her grandchildren. She has 15 - two sets of twins, and another hopes
baby on the way. Mrs Groom hopes her decision to follow her life-long passion will encourage others to do so. I think of this almost as age advocacy, because it's - age is something that happens, you be a
Cabinet - you don't choose to be a certain age, it just happens.But you can choose what you do with it. I think that there is a need to change population,
mindset, collectively, for the population, to change their mindset. . You should continue to do what you enjoy and what philosophy.
the community needs. That's my

A great example of life-long learning. Dan Marsh will always have a place in Tasmanian cricket folklore, after Captaining the State to its first shefld shield title. Now, he's looking to repeat the dose as coach. Damian McIver, spoke to him.Thanks for joining us. You first came to Hobart 17 years ago. Are you surprised in some ways to find yourself still here?I am a little. I didn't realise how much I loved the place when I first came opportunity
down here, so, to be given the opportunity to play for Tasmania, first and foremost, was a great achievement for me, I guess, and then, you know, once I got down here I fell in happy to
love with it and was really happy to stay once my career was over.How have you found that transition from teammate to coach?Pretty easy. tight
You know, obviously pretty tight with a lot of the guys, the senior guys in the group, but I think if you are constantly communicating and honestly, telling them things honestly, I think there is mutual respect going both ways.What are you looking for in terms of the style of cricket they play?To me, about doing the basic s really well. I don't think cricket's an overly complicated game. I think coaches and players can make it very complicated when things aren't working. To me it's about getting the basics example, having
right, for batting, for example, having a really good solid Defence and then playing the shots as simple as that, are for me.The Sheffield Shield champions, the Tasmanian Tigers.Has there been pressure taking over from Tim, Tasmania's most successful coach?Not really. I think philosophy is to keep producing Australian players, but trying to get the best out of each individual player, and making sure they are learning and teaching themselves to become better players. In terms of the results, I guess they will come down the track, but at the moment, not too pressure.What's your prosh to in
coaching.. approach. We see often quite
in other sports the coach is often quite central, in football, for example, everyone's talking about what the coach is doing, but cricket there is a bit more mystery surrounding it. What's your physical approach?To me it's about developing players, you players
know, we want to get our young players first and foremost in our first class team and on to play for Australia. That's the most important thing for me. With the current group we got, we have some really good leaders, they lead the ship others, they
with George Bayley - and others, they lead the ship and drive the direction we want to play, which makes my job and the other coaches - our jobs is to develop the younger players.I want to ask you about a couple of the First, Ed Cowan, his cricketing journey - dropped from Australian team. How do you work with a player like that and ensure they remain moment
motivated?I think at the moment Ed stepped foot in Tasmania, he's all been about Tasmania and trying to get Tasmania to win shield titles and on the back of that she showed some really good form, got picked for Australia, had a taste of it, and done quite well. My message would be for him to get back, focus on Tasmania, do all the things you did to get yourself into that opportunity
Test team and if another prepared for it.George Bailey's rich form...There is plenty of momentum surrounding George Bayley at the moment with performances in India. a
Are you preparing yourself for a summer without your Captain, potentially?I hope so, for George's sake. I love George as a person and player and as Captain. His form since he went into the Australian 2020 team as Captain, and found a
Australian one-day team, he's found a way to step up to that level and I really do think the Australian selectors will take a punt on him.

I think he learns pretty quickly. You know, when we first considered picking him for Tasmania, we saw him in nets and we thought there way he's up to this and we didn't pick him in one game. Many that was when Greg shipper was coaching. We took him away for the next game and thought we'd give him a go. He ended up getting the top score in that game. From that moment on he's found a way to compete at the
that level and that's probably the word, he's a great competitor, hates to be beaten in anything he does. He's a proud guy, and I think that will bring the best out of him - put him in that first Ashes Test, he'll go out there and most successful
compete.It's been through its most successful period and some might say the only direction from here is down. How do you stop that happening?I like to of
think we have a talented bunch of guys in our team and we need to keep developing those guys they
and I think if we do that and Australia, we are
they keep striving to play for Australia, we are going to have a strong State team.Dan Marsh, good luck, thank you very much for your time.That's our program for this week. Don't forget, if you miss any stories you can catch up online via the website. If you have any story ideas or you

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