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the return of high temperatures. Hot, dry and windy conditions are forecast. Crews have been working to strengthen containment lines around bushfires burning across the State. Watch and act warnings remain in place for 4 fires.About 1,000 people marched in the Melbourne suburb of Brunswick last night calling for an end to violence against women. The reclaim the night march was first staged in Melbourne in 1979. It was moved from the city centre last year after the rape and murder of Meagher.An
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This Program is Captioned Live. Good morning. Welcome to Insiders. The Federal Government ducked for cover this week to try and avoid fallout from the politicians' with
expenses scandal. They got away with it for two reasons. One, because the Labor Opposition terrified of the issue as Two, because the Labor Opposition was again talking about itself. Labor has a new leader and new front bench but it has the same old problems - internal squabbles and ongoing hand wringing over the carbon tax. Bill will have the united Parliamentary Labor Party as well as the membership behind Opposition
him.Australia finally has an Opposition Leader.I am genuinely humbled at the significant honour and privilege.This is not the end point of democratisation of the Australian Labor Party. This is just the beginning.This has Labor
been a brand new day for the Labor Party .I called Bill Shorten last night to congratulate him.Backstabbing Bill Shorten is the guy that 18,000 Labor members didn't want.I certainly respect Bill Shorten's political skill. We are reporting now that Mr Bowen and Mr Albanese have just had a coffee. Hello everyone.We have a great challenge in front of us.As expected, Tanya Plibersek has been elected as Labor's new deputy leader.Penny Wong is the Senate leader, Stephen Conroy her deputy.We are seeking to draw a line under the division of the past.Despite the talk of unity, Labor is squabbling over the spoils of defeat.(Bleep).I am encouraged by the absence of rancor, by the spirit of unity.A couple of blokes up
sitting around a room carving up the spoils.You can't have small groups of people meeting as a cabal deciding should be the Shadow Ministry.29 frontbenchers, 15 parliamentary secretaries and an emphasis on renewal.Anthony Albanese will take on the areas and
of infrastructure, transport be
and tourism. Chris Bowen will be our Shadow Treasurer. Too much division and public dispar ragement of each other, Australians mark us down.

Former Attorney-General Nicola Roxon has delivered a scathing character assessment of Kevin Rudd during a speech in Melbourne.I was never personally a victim of his vicious tongue or temper.This (Bleep) language!.For the good of the Federal Labor Party and the movement as a whole, Kevin Rudd should leave the Parliament.Argh.Kevin Rudd is overseas and offering no comment.Re moving Kevin was an act of political bastardry, for sure.I don't appreciate being called a bastard.This act of political bastardry was made possible only because Kevin had been such a bastard himself to so many people already.APPLAUSE.Which one of you Basses, called this bastard a bastard? Nicola Roxon exposed the great cover-up that flaws
was the ALP cover-up of the flaws of Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister.(Bleep) the last word.Welcome to the Prime Minister's courtyard. At 4 o'clock this afternoon, the Government will release on the Government website an exposure draft of the carbon tax repeal legislation.The Prime Minister wants the bill passed by Christmas. That's pretty much mission impossible.You will go to a double dissolution election? All options are on the table.The idea you might call a double dissolution to play some game, this nation doesn't have time to waste..We will hope
not let Tony Abbott do that. We hope Labor also stands firm.The new leader of the Labor Party is nothing if not a political pragmatist, he is nothing if not a political survivor.The ball is in his court.The answer is no, Greg. Our program guest this morning to talk about the expenses scandal and emerging issues in the Senate, Victoria's DLP Senator John Madigan. First, the Sunday papers. State by-elections are usually of little consequence but one in NSW has to get your attention? Record-settingby by-elections is always of interest. This is the NSW seat of Miranda. There was a 27% swing against the Liberal Party which returned Barry Collier who was a previous Labor member for the the
seat. Miranda part of it is in the shire Sutherland and goes down along the coast. It has been a strong Liberal seat but it seems that the resignation of Graham Annesley, the sports locals.
administrator, really upset the locals. The previous record swing, as I understand it, was in June 2010 in the seat of Penrith, the State seat of Penrith. It was 25%. That was in a by-election caused by the retirement of the Labor incumbent after she had been subjected to a rather inconvenient and unfriendly corruption inquiry finding. Why the people of Miranda felt so viciously against the Liberal Party we don't yet know. It might be because of Mr Annesley taking them for granted and just choofing off after the 2011 elections, it might be he didn't tend to local needs sufficiently. I imagine if this had happened to the Labor Party, there would already be calls for Bill Shorten to resign.Barry Collier the successful candidate said it was mainly because he ran a grass roots campaign and concentrated on local issues. It has to be more than that? You would have thought. 27%, that's close to a third of the electorate that's shifted. That's not the kind of swing you normally see servicing
with a local member who is not servicing the electorate enthusiastically. There has to be more to this than that. They would be thinking about the Liberal Party headquarters.Is John Robertson's leadership safe? It is the only thing of
going for him the last couple of weeks. They will milk it forever. I don't think Barry O'Farrell's government will shudder and fall but it will be something the Liberal Party will want to attend to and find the reasons for.Mark, not a lot of words from the Government this week but they are insisting now that words apply
matter, especially when they apply to asylum seekers? Words do matter. There is a word from inside the Department of Immigration that the mns has instructed - that's Scott Morrison - has instructed the Department to refer to people it is dealing with, asylum seekers, as detainees rather than clients and illegal maritime arrivals rather than the previous Labor Government's designation of them. There is a move to take the emotion out of them and stamp on them.And convict them before they face a tribunal.That's right.This is a topic that has been raised consistently over the years before the press council. Every time journalists or newspapers referred to asylum seekers as illegals or whatever, they were hauled over the coals.Yes, it is tied up in this whole thing about will it is actually It
illegal or not to seek asylum. It is not illegal to seek said
asylum. The press council has said that to call them illegals, for journalists and others to call them illegals is to imply criminality which is unhelpful.Scott Morrison has defended this in the past. It is made mention in the story, he says there is reference to illegal entry inside the UN conventions. That's his defence.Applying for asylum is not illegal but coming to Australia without documents, visas, apparently is.The other issue around this morning, Andrew, we will talk about this but
at length a little later on, but federal MPs are quietly never
paying back expenses they were never entitled to in the first place? Yes. This is a story by Bianca Hall in the Sunday Fairfax papers where she is reporting that pollies have secretly or privacy or quietly paid off $20,000 in the last three weeks since 2005, something like $110,000 has been paid off. I might add at this point of the $110,000 that has been repaid since 2005, a 10th of it is from one person, that's Steve Irons, a Liberal MP based in WA. He had spent something in the order of 130 nights in Melbourne and 20 weekends
nights in Adelaide. One of the weekends -130 nights in reckon
Melbourne? 130 nights.I reckon he might be facing more than a 27% swing for not servicing the election.The election has gone. One of the weekends was in Melbourne was for his son's debut for Port Adelaide in round one of the season in 2011. This is a ago
report we carried some weeks ago in 'The West Australian' and it is one we confirmed made.A
where repayment had been made.A lot have examined their conscience as a result the well
Fairfax stories? This happened is something
well before those stories. It months
is something we carried a few months back. It hasn't come to great note on the East Coast.Got your point. Okay.Enough advertising.From WA as well. Straight to the Victorian DLP
program guest and it is Victorian DLP Senator John
Madigan. Good morning. Welcome.Morning Barrie.Let's talk about the expenses. We are getting examples of mistakes being made almost every day. $20,000 paid back in the last three weeks. What is going on? Look, I suppose there is have
people who just - some people have made mistakes, other people who knows. We should be person,
playing the issue, not the person, and not individuals. I also err on the side of caution. I can remember prior to entering Parliament that a person from the department came up and he said "John, if you have ever got a doubt, don't claim". That's what I have adopted.A lot of it has been dismissed as mistakes but surely, in some of these cases, it goes beyond that. It appears as if there is an element of dishonesty to it? Yes. Look, I think the perception out there in the public is, or as a mate day,
of mine put it to me the other Parliament gets
day, a backbencher in Parliament gets $190,000-odd a year. You would assume they would have greater discernment when making claims. I think well.What do you
that sums it up pretty well.What do you think should be done? Should there be more transparency, stricter guidelines? For me, it is pretty crystal clear. You just don't claim if it is not to do with parliamentary business. It is as simple as that. I don't see that there is any great ambiguity there. If you are getting $190,000-odd, you should have some pretty good judgment.The new Senate after July, it does appear as if it will be Clive Palmer's three plus one which is a significant bloc. Do the rest of you in the Senate form loose alliances to try and match that? In my case, the DLP, we don't believe that the ends justifies the means, so to speak, . Where there is common ground on certain issues, I will work with people but I am not going to sell my soul or that of the DLP to anybody.Are there parties like Family First or individuals like Nick Xenophon you feel you will work closer with than others? Look, there is some issues where Family but, by
First and I share common ground Senator
but, by the same token, too, Senator Xenophon and myself, we share a lot of common interests in farming, food processing, have
manufacturing, jobs. Nick and I have worked together on numerous occasions and we will continue to do so. One thing I will say for Nick Xenophon, as much as sometimes we may disagree on some things, he is a straight shooter and when he tells you something, he honours his word. I appreciate people, whether I agree with them or not, who are honest.What will your top priorities be? You have talked about foreign ownership, you would like some tightening up of that and also manufacturing seems to be a big issue as well.Look, the issue of foreign ownership, I started a website we won't sell out.com.au. There is a lot of concern in the public - I Shaw - share the people's concerns on this issue. 5.8% of our land is foreign owned-controls which is 11.3% of the farmland. That should ring alarm bells for any have often
person in the community. As I have often said, I am not opposed to foreign investment, but foreign ownership is believe
another issue and I don't whether we
believe we as politicians, whether we are local Federal
government, State Government or to
Federal Government were elected to sell out future generations.You want the investment but then you adopt this fortress Australia view to ownership? Look, Barrie, it is not fortress Australia. As I said, there is good foreign investment and there is foreign investment where you just sell countries
out your country. Other fiercely
countries in the world are fiercely protective of their identity and their land and their assets and Australia is entitled to do that also and I coming
don't recall any government coming into power, as far as back as I can remember saying "We are going to sell you out and sell out your children and grandchildren". But, in effect, successive governments have sat back and not been, I would suggest, discerning enough.What do you make of what you are hearing from Clive Palmer so far, particularly on the carbon tax when is arguing for a refund of taxes that are due when his own company faces a bill of some $6 million? Is there?
there a conflict of interest there? Look, I mean, I can't recall where we have had a situation where taxes have been refunded. I think Mr Palmer is entitled to his point of view, as we all are in a democracy, but I don't think that's really going to float. What do you think Labor will do in the end on the carbon tax issue? Well, Barrie, as far as what the ALP does, that's an issue for the ALP. I don't really want to try and look into their mind, towards
that's another world.The trend towards small parties now winning seats with very small primary votes, primary votes that barely register, is that a fair outcome? Look, none of the micro parties, minor parties created the rules. When the major parties win seats, there is no disparagement from people concerned when it is one often
of the major parties. As I often say to friends of mine, in 112 years since Federation, there has only been two monkeys with their hands on the organ in
grinder and it has been the ALP in whatever genre they have been in, and the Liberals and Nationals. When we talk about matter
small votes, the fact of the matter is that minor parties, small parties, didn't make the rules. They have played by the rules. Some of the rules may be - people might have problems with them but at the end of the day, people have voted for these people. I'd hope in the case of Ricky Muir that he would represent those people in the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts party who voted for him and I'd plead with him to sell
represent those people and not sell out his identity.Sell out by joining up with Clive Palmer? Well, look, I think - I have spoken to people who voted for the AME and support Ricky Muir and they are very concerned with what they've seen over the past week or so. They are extremely concerned and I can empathise with them.You say that you didn't make the rules, or the minor parties didn't make the rules, but do you think those who do make the rules will change the rules to keep you guys out? I'm sure that the so-called people in the trough, so to speak, don't like anybody else being there raising issues. So to
I'd expect there will be moves to do it. But it won't be in the interests of the majority of Australians, it will be in the interests of the political elites.The DLP formally wound up as a party in 1978, what are you doing here? How did it happen? Well, there were some people in the party, back in '78, as you say, who voted to wind the party up and there was other members of the party that kept
wished to keep going and they kept going. That was their right to do that. The fact of the matter is that in the 2006 Victorian State election, Peter Cavanagh was elected to the Victorian Upper House. This is, in effect, I suppose the renaissance where the children, the grandchildren, the great-grand children are returning to the party and people who have had nothing to do with the DLP in their past. Peter Cavanagh's election, as I said, I suppose you could say was the renaissance and that's when I can remember on the morning of the election, I was lying in bed, the radio come on and it said "It looks like we have two Upper House DLP members", I hit my head against the head rest and said to my wife "I better give them a hand in the vain of my grandparents and parents".Is it still the same party that existed in the 60s and 70s? The true cornerstones of the DLP - concern for our farmers, manufacturers, for families, Australia's sovereignty - remain today as they did then for
and we believe that our outlook prosperous,
for a strong, healthy, Australia
prosperous, independent it
Australia is as strong now as it was then. change with time.Does the platform reflect the Catholic Church social attitudes? Look, Barrie, of course, this is a card that Dr Evert played in 1955. The fact of the matter is were
some of our greatest Senators a
were not Catholics. We are not a Catholic party. We don't ever is.
ask anybody what their religion is. We ask people to join with goodwill.You have still got Labor in the name, is that a true reflection of what you are about? Certainly is. We are for the people having a voice, for the smaller end of society and for people making local decisions by local people.Frank McManus once said the best thing for Australia is a good Labor Government and the worse thing is a bad one. Have we just seen the worst of them? made
History will judge them. They made some blues but I have to say that I have met some very good people in the ALP, people of principle. But like anything, Barrie, there is good and bad and people make mistakes. The previous government made some bad mistakes but I'm sure that the current government will make When we
some pretty bad mistakes too. When we are quoting Frank McManus, he also said the walls of the DLP offices were wallpapered with the broken Bill
promises of the Coalition.On will
Bill Shorten, of course, it will be a while before he gets an opportunity to even contest an election without whether or not he will be a good Prime can
Minister but do you think he can be an effective Labor leader in Opposition? That's to be seen yet. Bill Shorten may surprise all of us, who knows? I think you have to give everybody a chance and that's up to the public to decide, to judge so I look forward to, I hope, truly hope, that the ALP become a good Opposition because a good government is made by a good Opposition.Thanks for your time this morning.Thanks very much.

Western Australian Liberal MP is under fire over his Parliamentary entitlement claims.Don Randall charged taxpayers more than $5,000 for a flight to Cairns with a family member in November. The Member for Canning owns an investment property there. He still hasn't explained what doing
parliamentary business he was doing in Cairns. perfect one day, beautiful the next.His seat is more than 3,000km away in WA.There is also a trip to Melbourne for 'Sittings of Parliament' on a books.
Saturday!Then there are the books. Cook books, tomes on broadway muse kal cles.Animals, child encyclopaedia.For him to be on the standards committee over of
seeing the standards of members hypocrisy.The
of Parliament, I find it hypocrisy.The British MPs misusing their entitles to houses and the other things, their
they went to court, they lost their seats.Don Randall can clear this up if he chooses to.I would engage a explanation as to what's happened but I certainly wouldn't go quiet on the issue.There are claims which are very questionable.He hasn't got the guts to come and talk to you the media and explain why he has used taxpayers funds.Where the bloody hell are you? No comment is the response.Mr Randall says he has decided to ambiguity.
pay back the claim to avoid any Farrell
ambiguity.I Donald Edward Farrell do swear that I will Commonwealth
well and truly serve the Commonwealth of Australia.Labor had to repay nearly a thousand bucks final.It
yesterday to go to the AFL foodland.Claiming
final.It was sponsored by that
foodland.Claiming for expenses that didn't exist. Pretty good.You have some good grabs there guys.Talk about the two Dons and start with Don Randall. Andrew, having repaid argued there
the money, though, he still argued there was ambiguity around this? Well, he didn't really argue a thing. He began with saying that all the paperwork had been done, that acquitted,
everything had been properly acquitted, ie, he had put the paperwork in and it was simply ticked off. This goes to the heart of the issue I think. This is an expenses, pollies expenses, is self- regulated and this is clearly not working if you have got systems whereby paperwork, it
people can simply put in the paperwork, it is an honesty system and it takes journalism to actually shoi what's wrong with the system.Self-regulated or unregulated because effectively it is These people are putting in claims, the Finance Department is a tick and flick approach, really. You say it is legitimate, okay and it is paid out. I think it is probably closer to unregulated. The fact it works at all is because probably most people don't there
claim for the wrong thing but there are clearly a number of people who have been claiming loads of stuff.Don Randall claimed the Finance Department couldn't tell him whether he was entitled to the money.He never put in details as to what request
it was.He must have put in the request to the Finance Department and makes judgment based on them.Which was electorate business.It goes to a relatively junior public servant and that public servant isn't going to ring up and say "Hang on a minute, what electoral duties do you have in was spot
Cairns?".Yes.Senator Madigan was spot on on this issue. The entry level pay for a member of $200,000. It
Parliament is close to think that
$200,000. It is ridiculous to think that someone on that cannot
salary, with the support staff, cannot work out whether a trip is private or for business. Again Senator Madigan said it is pretty easy to work out what's for business. If they are Shadow Ministers, Ministers, members of committees or if they are travelling on behalf of the should
government, then the taxpayer should pick up the air fare. If they are travelling to Melbourne, let's say, to watch a football game or they are going to a wedding of a close taxpayer should
friend, there is no way the taxpayer should be paying for it. It is not very difficult.Also the way that they are dealing with the issue now, clearly when Mark Dreyfus the former Attorney-General had a go at Tony Abbott and then suddenly there about his own mistakes that were made, but as I understand it, the Coalition had been as long as
sitting on that information for as long as a year. Doesn't that tell you they bring this stuff out not in any public interest but simply they have it there as a weapon to use against their opponents?It does. You had it right at the start of the program there is a reluctance on the Labor side to prosecute this too strongly because no-one is squeaky clean on this.Listen to Chris Bowen and the words he uses when he is talking about the Don parliamentary
Randall case here.To claim parliamentary sittings in Parliament
Melbourne is disingenuous. The Parliament hasn't sat in Melbourne since 1927. The electorate business in Cairns is problemate ic for him.That's what the public are saying? That was very do that?
problematic for Don Randall to do that? There is a couple of haven't
matters with Don Randall that haven't been resolved. A trip he took to Melbourne for a was
sitting in Parliament when it was pointed out Parliament went
hasn't sat there since 1927. He family
went with a family member, that and
family member then went home and he carried on to Canberra.The rules do allow for members from Perth to have a stopover on the way to been
Canberra, that's what I have Opposition's office
been told by the Leader of the Opposition's office but clearly in this situation, the family has come to Melbourne, spent the weekend in Melbourne and Don Randall has gone on to the sitting of Parliament. That is of
not a stopover for the purposes of breaking up the trip. That is a free weekend in Melbourne on the taxpayer. Similarly with the trip to Cairns, we talking about business class wife
air fares for both he and his wife to go to Cairns. Not economy fares. We don't know what the actual nature of the business there is. The with
speculation is it has to do with an investment property in outrageous
Cairns. It is utterly outrageous all this stuff.I think everybody has been tarred Baird
by these few examples. Bruce Baird who as a State Minister and Federal Minister was a man of integrity. He claimed for a trip to Canberra which he later found out he wasn't allowed to claim for, he was genuinely horrified because there was a money
greyness there so he repaid the money immediately. I think there is a capacity for some people to make mistakes and the situation often is that what happens is at the end of the week or whatever, staff come into the Minister, they've gone through the diary, seen where he has travelled "Just sign these things", those papers go off to the public service and they are claimed for reimbursement or whatever. This junior public servant isn't going to challenge things. I think the best way to address this is strengthening the public service end of the equation, giving them the authority and the weight to come back to offices and say "I'm sorry, you have to add more explanation on why you happened to fly from Malaysia to Sydney".I agree. The flipside to this is we as a nation need our politicians travelling around Australia to fully understand what is going on in various parts. You don't want them just focused on their seat of Canning for example. You want them if they are involved in other committees, as Don Randall was - he did good work with the migration committee which took him to Cairns at one point, ironically enough. We do want our politicians travelling around but we want it for purposes, to understand what the issues are.The difficulty is because it is a very difficult job to codify in that sense, to say where the boundaries of official duties are - meeting people? For example, one suggestion that came up during the week was the all
idea of having a website where all claims are put contemporaneously on there. In real time, you put a claim and people can question it. I spoke to an MP, if he is travelling to meet an interest group in relation to some legislation, that interest group doesn't necessarily or those people he is talking to, that he is seeking information from, don't necessarily need to be outed straightaway in respect of the advice and I think that's right.John Madigan's case, he was talking to you from Sydney, he had a speaking engagement in Sydney, he also had to pick up some machinery for his plant. He drove his ute from Ballarat -They should all be given a ute.Because there was a work component to it, he stayed nothing. Stayed with a - claimed nothing. Stayed with a cousin.Impeach this man.In contrast with this man who put "Had a meeting at a cafe" as a justification for flying across the country.The double standards a risings as to why politicians crack down on everybody else but have a lax approach. William William - Michael Williamson pleaded this week to a range of offences and Tony Abbott had this to say about it.Obviously if there is a fraud charge, that attracts penalties under the ordinary criminal law, but in terms of there should
breach of governance rules, there should be the same penalties for dodgy union officials as there are for dodgy company officials. That's the position we took to the election and that's the position we will be implementing in good other hand?
time.Dodgy politicians, on the other hand? Let's talk about Bill Shorten's first front bench. Do you think he put the square pegs in square holes? (Laughter) I well with what he has had on offer but really what the whole process has shown is that, giving power back to the caucus to choose the ministry has un dilutedly given it back to the factions. The factions decided who was on the frontbench, even down to the fact the right had 16 of the positions, the left had 13 of the positions and there was one independent and they could work it out. They then went to how many from each state could be represented. The whole notion of merit got bumped further away.That is true but isn't that different from one person determining it? It has the appearance of being better.It involves more groups. Anna
people? It involves power groups. Anna Burke made the point it was a bunch of men sitting around handing out jobs. While Anna Burke's rant itself you could criticise it but the general point was right. People were told they had missed out after the decision had been taken and pretty
there was no review. That's pretty crook. It is crook to be allocating positions on geographical basis.Isn't there ....You
an improvement on one person ....You made the reference to Kevin Rudd
Kevin Rudd there. Even with Kevin Rudd he would have sat down with a couple of people in working out how to sort it out. He had to be mindful of the factions, of the split between States and so on as every leader does. They are both pretty similar in a sense.I when
agree.It comes more parochial Victorian
when it gets split down to the Victorian Right, the NSW Right and so on. I think they are both a bit crook but that's the where
nature of politics, isn't it, where politics is and does see factions emerge and power plays happen, even the selection of the front bench.I think the indicator this is a factional decision is the size of the parliamentary
executive. If you include parliamentary secretaries with - shadow parliamentary secretaries with shadow ministers, it is almost every child gets a prize. I think he has got something like, all up, combining the two, something like 44.45. 15 parliamentary secretaries.So it will be 45. That is a consequence of having to fit in a whole stack of people to assuage a whole stack of people.He has to deal with people like Jacinta Collins being brought in as Cabinet secretary. He is trying to sort out a few problems there.He has made big advances on gender within the whole 45.And young people.That's right. He made a big point about Gen X, working parents, nearly half of the executive is women. These things are I think - they are merit-worthy.What got the thing going as a negative story for Labor was Anna Burke's contribution. She was the one who had a real whinge about it and that got a big run. Tanya Plibersek had this to say about that.I think it is natural that people might be disappointed on missing out on a front bench position but I think our difficulty is that we have got more good people than we have spots - it is a bit glass half full, glass half empty. I think Anna is very focused on the half empty at the moment.That happened, off the back of that, Nicola Roxon delivered her speech and had a real go at Kevin Rudd and then Trish Crossin, the Senator who lost her position courtesy of Julia Gillard, said there is some shocking stories she could tell about the way she was treated by Julia Gillard. The moment the Labor leadership was decided, the discipline know
collapsed.Yes, it did. I don't know - twas ever thus is the to
answer to that. I guess we have to see how this goes in the longer term but at the moment - look, everyone talked about the determined
way the leadership was determined through that open ballot having avoided a period after a defeat of recriminations and depression and so forth, in-fighting. We have seen a fair bit of that happen since then, but I guess Party
you always do within the Labor Party particularly when it comes to allocating jobs, so it is not particularly surprising. The real test will be - is any of this lasting? The Rudd people really - the Rudd supporters didn't bite this time, did they? Not so much. Rudd obviously played a part in shifting - he shifted his support to Albo. Going back to Albo for a tick because he is interesting. Anthony Albanese with the concession speech he gave on Sunday seemed to have written that speech or part written it assuming he was going to win because he quoted from God father III where he says real power has to be taken, not given. He was referring to the power going back to the rank-and-file in terms of some of the selection -In terms of the rank-and-file was
ballot he was talking about. He off
was talking about taking power off the factions and giving it to members.That power was denied to the rank-and-file.He expected to win, perhaps, because he knew he was going to get very strong support from the party membership. Nobody expected 55 votes for Bill Shorten, did they, in the Caucus? No.They hadn't factor ed in that kind of decisive victory.No. The morning after the caucus vote, Laurie Ferguson from the NSW Left Tweeted there were going to be lucky Thomson -Thomson is the character.Get your teeth in.What point did he make? Sa rage reprisals, gangster-like reprisals against people for betraying factional support, which was an indication that some members of the Left, particularly in Victoria might of
find horse's head at the ends of their beds at some stage.The bigger issue is the carbon tax and how they deal with this. Clearly they will block Tony Abbott's initial move but I guess the longer-term question is what would they do if they were to return to government in three critical question
years' time? This becomes a critical question and threshold question for almost every political leader of late. I don't think the Labor Party will repent as Tony Abbott wants them. I think they are stuck with what they've got at the moment in terms of support for some sort of carbon price and, in fact, the fact that the rank-and-file went behind in a actually
flock behind Anthony Albanese actually makes Bill Shorten a prisoner of his unpopularity in the sense because if he is going to be Prime Minister, he is going to have to hang on for quite some time. If he doesn't the
win in 2016, and he has to have the rank-and-file behind him. The carbon price will be one of the issues which is going to be critical to them.I think that's right but the reality it is not so much what they do if they get back into government, it is how are they going to into
make a case for getting back into government. They will resist it between now and Christmas, probably resist the appeal successfully with the Greens up until the changeover of the Senate July 1 next year. After that period, presumably Abbott will get his way, carbon
they'll get to repeal the carbon price and all of that other machinery and Labor then has to make a decision about how does it present an agenda for the 2016 election. That's the real issue. The first question is - does it stick I
with having a price on carbon? probably
I think the answer to that is probably yes but then what mechanism -No money to pay for more kocho.The compensation is still being paid because Abbott has stuck to it. Labor is arguing for a price on carbon and trying to avoid an issue in 2016 it got thrashed on in 2013.I think it is dependent on what the business does. The comments with the AIG was fascinating. They are no fan of the carbon tax, it is too high in terms of comparison to international standards but he are
is wondering about what they are going to have to put up was
with with this uncertainty. He was saying "Okay, we support the carbon tax going but please, Greg Hunt, at least consider having some sort of carbon credit which would be 75 cents a tonne". That's a way cheaper way to go.He even made Direct
the point, didn't he, that the Direct Action policy is not going to achieve much. If you really want to achieve carbon abatement, you would be better off buying abatement from overseas.One of the problems is nobody knows how Direct Action will work. I include among that the government. The is
emissions reduction fund, which is the core of Direct Action, paying companies to emissions, they still have not designed that. There is going to be a white paper out early next year - I don't know what that is, January, March, whatever. It is likely if there is a vote on this legislation to dis mantle carbon pricing, it will be done without there being any alternative and approach.There should be alarms with terms of reference going on the fund because it was asking the community and business groups to come up with abatement ideas.That's how they say it is a market mechanism as I understand it.When you go to July, Clive Palmer is insisting that these taxes be repaid. It happens he has about a $6 million bill sitting out there but he says there is no conflict of interest.No it is party policy that has been formed by the party and most members would think what's really important about the carbon tax is that people - see the carbon tax go and then electricity prices there.What's the
stay what they are.No conflict there.What's the party called again? Palmer United? The prospect of double dissolution, surely it is almost zero. You can find so many reasons to a
argue that it can't happen. For a start, it would put the whole electoral cycle out of whack, there would have to be an election early next year and then another election two years after that. Apart from that, Tony Abbott would have to that
persuade the Governor-General that Parliament is unworkable and wouldn't the Governor-General simply say "Maybe it is but just wait until July and then test it out is, is
again"? I suppose the question a double
is, is there any possibility of a double dissolution before July? The answer is probably no. Is there the possibility of a double dissolution after July? That's quite possible if, as you were saying with Senator Madigan, wrangling this new Senate with Palmer United and all the other Independents new
turns out to be unworkable.The new Senate will pass the repeal.The new legislation is called robust legislation. It is written in such a way the identical bill can be presented after July, it doesn't has to be the same Senate, just the same bill. If it is rejected before July, as we expect it before Christmas or going off to a committee, some time in the early part of 2014, then it is rejected subsequent to the new Senate taking over, which is a possibility, that will become a double dissolution trigger.I want to talk about Scott Morrison's comments on Papua New Guinea. There were some problems at Manus Island, we are not sure what went on there but it was clearly a very uncomfortable situation for a lot of people..There was an incident earlier today on Manus were
Island and appropriate steps were taken to ensure all staff were placed in safety and that was a matter involving the agencies of the Papua New Guinean Government and that is a matter for the Papua New Guinean government to address.A couple of things there. Suddenly all of this is a matter for Guinea government to address. that?
Have you had any luck with that? No. This is very curious because he was saying they were taken to HMAS Choules. I went back and said "What are the details?". "You know, mate, ask good
the PNG government". That's not this,
good enough. The flipside of this, to use flipside twice in a show - that's three times - if Labor had done this, we would be critical, so would have the Coalition and rightly so. That ain't good enough.There were Australians involved in an evacuation. We are entitled to know what that was about.And Australian dollars as well. There is an here that
actual path of accountability here that is being completely avoided.Just before that, Mr Morrison scoffed at journalists over the claims there was a woman expecting twins who had been taken there. Words to the effect "Don't believe all this rubbish, just accept what we say, there is no woman". From the floor was raised, not by him, this evacuation of Australians from Manus Island and he gave an answer, then later on he had to correct his answer. I don't know if we do rely on Scott Morrison.At least we are hearing from him once a week. Other ministers wasn't out
are hard to find. Tony Abbott wasn't out there and didn't find it necessary to either defend or to condemn Don Randall, just stayed clear of the issue all together. Did because
they make themselves scarce because the expenses week was out there or is this the pattern? My understanding is there was the hand of Tony Abbott's office in Don Randall repaying the money.That's leadership. That's real leadership!.There was a meeting, interestingly, on expenses and type issues. There the
was a meeting straight after the election. Tony Abbott volunteered this advice to his troops to and that is he didn't want it to be a matter of course that they employed their This
family members in their office. This is done widely by all shades of politicians. Everything has been done in a quiet way, certainly not going out, he is not spoiling his businesses.
ledger with these sorts of businesses. He wants other people to take the mud. But eventually he is going to have to come out and talk more expansively about all sorts of issues. It is how he handles talk
the ones he doesn't want to talk about that will count.We did hear from Joe Hockey this week. Steven kouk lis wrote a piece despite the grey things in the run-up of the election, to quote him "Not one hint of a Coalition policy change".The Coalition government will not decisions
shy away from the hard decisions that are necessary in this regard. The first round of these decisions will feed into Fiscal
our Mid Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook which I expect This
to release before Christmas. This will reveal the true updated state of the books and will establish the budgetary base on which we can build a sustainable future.That's what all governments do, it is routine. There is no suggestion there of any policy change as such and it was argued that it shows you that economic management was never the issue, that Labor really screwed up on the politics and on other policy areas but, as he put it, the economy was in tip top acceptance
shape. Is there a slowly an acceptance within the Abbott Government that drastic - a drastic change to economic direction is not required? I been
think so. I think there has been growing respect Hockey at the advice he has been receiving from Martin Parkinson, even during the caretaker period. I think he realised that Labor wasn't completely spinning it, it was spinning it certainly on certain issues with regards to the economy but on the critical issues, he has realised that we are in a delicate position and that if he were to cut government programs extensively, then we could be pushed over that edge.One about is
example of what you are talking about is the expectation that Joe Hockey will increase the debt ceiling to $400 billion which won't be a traumatic thing to do, it is something, though, increasing the debt ceiling that the Coalition used to jump up and down and tear its hair out over.Parliament November,
will now sit for two weeks in November, then two weeks in until
December. They will sit right until mid-December and then - out
will the MYEFO statement come out after that, some time between 15 and December and Christmas? He said just then it will be before Christmas. It has come out as late as 22 December at one stage or something like that under Peter Costello. It is possible it the
could come out quite late but this
the fact is it is going to be this year, which is a good thing because there was some 'til
speculation it might be lift no-one
'til January.When there is no-one around.Exactly. That did seem to run counter to the notion of a budget emergency and the sky falling in.More with Mark Kenny, Malcolm Farr time
and Andrew Probyn but now it is time for Mike Bowers and Talking Pictures. I'm Mike Bowers, I'm director of photography for the Global Mail. I am Talking Pictures with freelance cartoonist Fiona Katauskas. Welcome to the program. Morning.We have had are like
you on twice in four weeks. You are like -I thought I was you.- you are appearing more than Julie Bishop in Cabinet.It is part of my plan.The Opposition has produced a leader but, boy, the Labor pains were long contracted.It only took a little bit for the edifice to crack.Beautiful Bruce Petty who has Bill Shorten on his horse.

re-invigorated
Do you think the re-invigorated party faithful will suddenly work out they voted for one, they got the have
leader they didn't vote? They have to wait another two years or who knows how long until they get to do it again.

There is a touch of Gilligan Island to this.And a touch of Gilligan to Bill Shorten as well.He has the oversized head nicely.He is the new figure so emp is getting used to drawing him. You can see everyone will
taking a different approach it character
will be interesting to see his next
character yur evolve over the next few weeks. this
What's with the Labor women this week, they have been cutting loose? I think all those little cracks, all the steam is starting to let out, they were keeping it together so well.Does she have a point? Nigel
She was Speaker and now he is Nigel nobody on the backbench? Maybe too much transparency. Labor
They love oversharing, the Labor Party.. They do. It has Tanya say "It can get to the best of them". This is your nice. It
nice Tony Abbott? Yes, he is Abbott, he is
nice. It is hard with Tony Abbott, he is so physical and in your face, you can't not draw him in speedos.He has a lot of teeth.He is happy in this one.Do you make the face when you are drawing that? I person
always make the face of the hard.So you
person I am drawing. It is hard.So you were doing this a lot.My face muscles got sore.Labor ward -

He seems to have given birth a Siamese twin.Which doesn't half.Where
get along with the other half.Where is Kevin? Is he under the bed? Kevin is plotting to lock those twins in is
the tower.The Prime Minister but
is pretty keen to axe the tax but the political climate has not quite changed enough for that. You Canute be serious? I don't think Alan is a big fan of Direct Action.No, it is not working.David Pope has drawn Tony Abbott as Neville Chamberlain returning from Munich with the worthless piece of paper in his hand with Adolf Hitler's signature.Peace with a climate for our time. He is a bit harsher on Tony Abbott. He has aged him a bit there.He that the
has aged him and eared him.Is that the proper terminology? Fiona, I can guarantee you there will be more material next week for you? We are entering a golden age of cash tonighting.I will let you do the honours.Back to you Barrie.Thank you, final observations in a moment. We will look at some pictures this week there was action on the steps of the Victorian Parliament. That's Geoff Shaw the Independent arriving for work and protesting cab drivers. You see he was really - the earlier pictures released didn't show any of this but his path was blocked several times. He really was held up on the way and then it got really interesting at the top of the steps. That's the part that was released early on. It was only when CCTV footage of the earlier stuff came out that you start to get a sense that, physically
yeah, maybe his path was physically blocked at times.I agree. I hadn't seen that before. It does suggest there was a fair amount provocation before the bit we saw on the news.Your observation? I just think given that Labor has done finally got its front bench team, we know what the match-up. I am struck by how many Catholics are facing off in this nation. Abbott versus Shorten, Bowen versus Hockey, tourk versus Christopher Pyne - Tony Burke versus Christopher interesting.The
Pyne. It is quite interesting.The Newman grandstanding
Government's absurd grandstanding on bikie gangs is really dangerous stuff. For a start, it doesn't matter if Shetland
criminals ride motorbikes or they
Shetland ponies, the crimes they commit are the same you don't need special jails or to
selective laws. There is going to be a lot of pain from the provisions before they are rightly repealed.Greg Hunt this week was Talking Pictures ing in direct of Direct Action - was talking in defence of Direct Action and he was explaining why he was not so enthusiastic about some of the conclusions he reached in a 1990 thesis. He said energy or electricity is inelastic, which means you put the prices up and people still use it. In WA, average energy use has declined two years running. It was 10% below it was in 2010-11 than it was in 12-13. That shows you that people do respond to prices going higher.It was orientation week for new federal pollies this week under the guidance of the Speaker for now Anna Burke. We leave you with that. Thanks for watching.How are you? Good morning, how are you? Good on you guys. What a beautiful day in Canberra.I have got to go because I am running late for the first seminar for new members. I got elected, I didn't expect to win, I rang a mate and said "What does a member of Parliament do?". I can advise that Opposition and government are a little different having done both. If you want to the media at the front of the building, the only way to do it nowadays is via the car park. Don't spend
The car parks are now gated. Don't spend your life in there. Make sure you catch up with people. Otherwise, by about Thursday night, you will all be in chairman's lounge going "Where is the too tired to drink it. Hopefully you have all signed up to chairman's lounge.The Parliament
meals are wonderful in Parliament House. You get the little kusards in little bowls. Captions by CSI

Business. So
Gidday and welcome to Inside Business. So the world has been saved from a fate worse than Lehman. But as was entirely predictable, nothing has been been
entirely solved. The can has been kicked down the road, or as one observer noted, it has been kicked down the driveway. In keeping with that, we'll kick it around. We also talk to a
Boral chief Mike Kane who, with a sigh
a big US business, is breathing a sigh of relief having dodged a bullet this week. He may have found the magic bullet for Bringing fairness
Boral's problems in Asia. Bringing fairness and transparently to new share issues. We catch up with Ben Bucknell founder of On Market Bookbuilds.

This Program is Captioned Live. Tim Toohey, it has been an fury has
interesting time. The sound and fury has been enormous but the along?
markets have been sailing along? Take us through how you have seen things.I think we can probably show some of this politicians
via graphics. The US politicians have avoided the unthinkable and done a

The first graphic shows where we have kicked it down to, 7 February of next year is when the next ceiling limit is breached. Some extraordinary measures similar to what we did in 2012 will be used and deployed again. It is a question as to how long they last for. Our best estimate is it will breach those extraordinary measures by the middle of March of next year. We are back in the same situation in March of next year. I guess the second issue is - will it matter as much? We go to the next chart, it