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(generated from captions) This program is not captioned. This Program Is Captioned Live. We're having to break into programming now to take you live to Sydney, where the opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison is holding a news conference about the coalition vowing to stop funding legal advice for asylum seekers.Border protection policy in relation to asylum seekers. Some weeks ago you would've heard of the announcement that we made to do with the backlog of 30,000 cases in Australia that will be there on the other side of the election for an incoming government depending on who wins the election to deal with. On that occasion, we made a number of announcements about how we intend to deal with that backlog. First of all, to ensure that there would not be permanent visas for those who were found to be refugees on the other side of the election. Temporary protection visas has always been the coalition's policy and that policy will be applied whether someone has already arrived or seeks to arrive. The second area we talked about was separating out the process for those who've come illegally to Australia by boat and those who have come through the proper method. It will no longer be the case under coalition government that's someone who's turned up on a boat will take the visa of someone who has hey plied through our offshore and special humanitarian program that nexus will be broken under a coalition government. It will continue under a Labor Government. We have said we will get rid of the benefit of the doubt that are given to those who we reasonable y believe have thrown their documents away on their journey to Australia which has the aim of frustrating our ability to process a person's claim. Under Labor's policy, they will wait a little longer in the queue for a permanent visa or the other side of the election. Under our policy, they won't even be in the queue. Under a coalition government, we will be removing taxpayer funded assistance provided through the scheme delivered by the Department of Immigration to assist those who have arrived illegally by boat to prepare their claims and to appeal any decision that is made on their claims through the process. Currently this is costing in this current financial year $42 this current financial year million. Those figures are provided by the million. Those figures provided by the Dev of provided by immigration and Citizenship as we have worked through those numbers through the caretaker we have worked through numbers provisions. 42 million over this budget year in the forward this budget year in the estimates, the total cost is estimates, the total cost $120 million. The coalition
will be $120 million. will be be removing will taxpayer funded program. What we will be taxpayer funded we will be doing instead is we will will be saying to people, what the process is that will be done in language based kits which set done in language based which set out very clearly in their native language how our process works and how they can appeal and how they can work through that process.and we will also maintain sbrper support for people to ask questions for information purposes but there will be no advice provided through that system. In goes together with also the announcement we made a few weeks ago about ending Labor's tick and flick process on assessment and ensuring that we can have a process which is fair dinkum and we can stand in at a time
front of the Australian people at a time when we're in a budget meltdown under this government and say that we are not going to go and spend as the Labor Party will if they're re-elected another $100 million providing migration assistance to those who've come to Australia the wrong way and say so other Australians that we have to make cuts in other areas. So this is an important addition to the plank of policies that we have already announced. It's all about rolling up the Rudd car met that Kevin Rudd laid out almost six years ago for the people smugglers and their clients and that has led to over 50,000 people turning up across our borders. Has led to cost blow-outs of $11.6 billion over 1100 people have tragically and terribly died at sea and around 15,000 people have been denied visas waiting in our offshore program because those visas have been given to those who have come illegally by boat. There are no provisions which compel us to provide fund ed advice in these situations. Around the world, those making situations. Around the those making claims do so in their own back. If there are other groups who continue to provide this advice, they will be welcome to do so and a coalition government will do so but it will be at their expense not the taxpayer. The advice provided to asylum seekers under the IAAAS program includes advice in the nature of legal advice provided by a variety of officials including lawyers. We have heard for a long time now that there is a crisis in access to justice in, the sad truth is that there is not enough money to go around to provide legal assistance to Australian citizens in circumstances that they need, whether it be in family law matters, whether it be in criminal matters, whether it be in tenancy disputes and so on. There is no limitation on the IAAAS program of the advice provided to non-citizen who've come to Australia illegally. It's the coalition's view that that is a wrong set of priorities. That the scarce resources that the Australian taxpayer provides to providing legal assistance and legal advice should first and foremost be provided to Australian citizens who are also of course Australian taxpayers who need it most. Rather than to people who have placed themselves in the hands of people smugglers, often with substantial resources at their command to enable them to do that. And have come to our country illegally. Thank you. Have you thought of any legal - sought any legal advice to whether or not you're expecting legal challenges from this?Well, there is no obstacle to people being able to be represented legally. It's just the tax player is it not going to be on the hook for it. We've already made some announcements about changes to the assessment process, we'd be seeking to establish, which would be an administrative process not a judicial one. And if people want to provide legal advice or migration advice then they can do so at their expense. And I'm sure there will be some who will seek to do that. No-one is being denied access to representation. It's just that they're being denied access to the taxpayer being on the hook for it. Why are you announceing this policy and not Tony Abbott?We're in different cities today and it's an immigration policy and so I'm pleased to announce it. Tony made comments on it earlier today. Do you think this will help to deter boats taking away this advice?When I was with Tony a few weeks ago we set out very clearly there are two very distinct challenges now. Because of the fact that we have over 30,000 people now backed up in Labor's failure to not caseloads as a result of protect our Labor's failure protect our borders but then
fail to deal with those who've fail to already come, we have two big challenges, stopping the boatses coming to Australia and dealing with have they large caseload so we announced a few weeks ago our weeks ago our policy to deal with that. This provides another tranche of measures to deal with managing that caseload. The government is going to spend another $100 million on providing this advice to people who've come illegally by boat. We don't think that's the right priority in this budget setting. (Inaudible question)I wouldn't be tell casting one way or the other on that. There's a week to go until the election. And the debate continues. (Inaudible question) could this policy be seen as cruel?What I think is cruel a policy that was mutt - put in place by Kevin Rudd that led to over 15,000 people turning up illegally by boat that resulted in over 1100 people dead that resulted in 15,000 people waiting in camps all around the world. That didn't get a visa they would've otherwise got had the coalition's policies been in place and the boats been stopped. The policies we're putting forward at this election in relation to these matters. That is the price of Kevin Rudd's so-called compassion back in 2007 and in particular Minister Burke. It was Tony Burke and Kevin Rudd who went to the 2007 election and said all of those John Howard policies had to go and they say they were motivated by compassion. I don't doubt that. But you have to look at the consequences of those actions. Those consequences have been deadly, they've been tragic, chaotic and extremely costly. There is a policy dimension to of this course but there's also a resource allocation dimension. The fact is that the Australian Government has a finite amount of resources to provided a vice and assistance including legal advice and legal assistance through the various exams by which that assistance is delivered. There is not enough money in the system to provide the advice and assistance to powerless Australians, Australians in disadvantaged economic circumstances who need it. There is not enough money in the system to provide legal advice and other assistance to Australians who who for example might be in a tenancy dispute, who might need to have access to the Family Court, for whatever reason might find themselves in need of taxpayer assistance in order to manage with the daily affairs of life. The coalition's view is the extent to which this is among other things a resource there
allocation issue, why should there be carte blanche for people who are not Australian citizen who've come to this country illegally, who've chosen of their own volition to place themselves in the hands of people smugglers to get here rather than take advantage of the Australian Government's humanitarian entry programs, and at the same time, de deprich the Australian citizen who is need it of the legal advice and assistance supported by the taxpayer that they do need?(In udable question) These are part of the many shavings that we've been announcing over the course of the campaign. Mr Hockey made some announcements about these things during the course of this week. Here is an additional $100 million. The Prime Minister goes on and asks about where we make savings. Here's $100 million worth of savings, Mr Rudd. I think it's important that Mr Rudd perhaps explain why he thinks he should be spending $100 million on these services for the next four years. We won't be as a coalition. We have a very different set of priorities.Will that extra $100 million then be going to legal aid for Australians? These things aren't hypothecated one way or the other. These are savings that are made that go to ensure and improve our bottom line position. Just as stopping the boat also have a significant impact on reducing the costs over time as well. These are savings. It's cost us $9.1 billion already to have over 50,000 people turn up over the last five years. The blow-out over the forward estimates are 11.6 billion. Those sort of savings and costs that we've seen, I should savings and the cost we've seen are one of the reasons why the savings and the cost we've budget is in such a mess.You are one of the reasons why just said it was taking away legal aid assistance from Australians that were already here. So...' It makes perfect sense, because the fact is there are not enough resources to go around. This is an hear in which resources are being deployed, in circumstances in those
which Australians who need those resources are being deprived of them. Every saving we make to the bottom line means that there are other prioritys are government which are not being sufficiently met at the moment which are better able to be amendment.Thanks for your time.

That was Scott Morrison and George Brandis holding a media conference releasing more defails about the coalition that's plan to scrap funding for legal advice for asylum