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This Program is Captioned Live.Tonight - all guns blazing.Morning, Kevin, a phone call would have been helpful.Kevin Rudd's plan to move naval ships from Sydney's Garden Island to Queensland enrages the NSW Premier.We have a federal political leader so spooked by the polls he will do anything, even use Defence infrastructure as a tactic to try to wirn votes north of the NSW border.The Navy is not Barry O'Farrell eats property, it's the property of the Australian Government.

Good evening, welcome to Lateline, I'm Emma Alberici. Clive Palmer has vowed to bring some excitement to this election with his big promises to abolish FBT/income taxes, raise the aged pension and end infant mortality in indigenous communities. If the polls are right he will do none of that. They have him winning no seats at all. But he doesn't believe the polling companies, he believes they rig.There were polling companies I used to give large donations to and they'd write the results. You're saying polling is rigged? Rupert Murdoch owns Newspoll and Galaxy poll and the media tries to set the agenda and determine the result of an election before it's been held.Clive Palmer is also adamant he will not close his nickle refinery business in Townsville and he reveals he has evidence to prove the former Howard Government minister Mal Brough did ask him to fund the James Ashby sexual assault case against former speaker Peter Slipper. That interview is m coing up shortly. You can join the conversation with our guest twooeter, Jane Caro, follow the Lateline hash tag. First our other headlines. Essendon axed from the AFL finals, hit with a big fine and coach James Hird banned for 12 months. The lack of affordable child care sees both sides of politics criticised for not adequately addressing the issue. And as Washington moves closer to taking action against Syria, key Assad ally Iran warns of the risk of a regional conflict.Kevin Rudd has dumped another of Julia Gillard's policies, threatening to close down Sydney's Garden Island naval base and move it to Queensland. The plan has angered the NSW Premier and prompted the Federal Coalition to also brand it a ploy to win Labor seats in Mr Rudd's home State. The PM has been on the attack on another front, questioning Tony Abbott's ability to deal with international emergencies like the situation in Syria.Political correspondent Tom Iggulden has more from Canberra.The sun was out, the harbour was sparkling.It's BOF, how are you, mate?But the NSW Premier was in no mood for idle chitchat.Morning, Kevin, a phone call would have been helpful.It's called a national security delings decision.4,000 jobs.You said you wanted more cruise ships.I'm happy to share, your predecessor would share you should learn to share.Barry O'Farrell read about it in the papers and was determined to confront the PM for maximum effect.I told him he should learn to share.I noticed some criticism this morning from Premier O'Farrell on this subject. Generations of sailors and soldiers have been farewelled from Garden Island, now Kevin Rudd says it makes sense for Sydney to farewell its iconic naval base.You see in Australia the vast majority of our operations for our naval assets and our military assets lie to our north-east, to our north and north-west into the ind Indian Ocean.Barry O'Farrell has assurances from Julia Gillard that Garden Island would stay put and is calling Kevin Rudd's decision a backflip.Which contradicts the Defence white paper in May, which contradicts the statement of Julia Gillard last October, co contradicts the statement of the Defence Minister in March of last year.We've reviewed that decision and we believe that the right thing to do is to establish this naval task force to give us detailed advice on operationalising the plan.Kevin Rudd's latest thought bubble is an unmitigated disaster for the NSW economy.4,000 jobs to be thrown on the scrap heap all to try to save Labor seats in outrageous.We're not seeking to solve a problem which doesn't exist. There is a lack of real estate here.The PM says the Premier's been lobbying to allow more cruise ships to use the Garden Island base to off-load passengers.All I'm saying is be consistent, Barry. If you're arguing for this something's got to give.Later in Queensland Mr Rudd gave the NSW Premier a stronger serve.The Royal Australian Navy is not Premier O'Farrell's property, it is the property of the Australian Government.Tony Abbott's not ruling out sticking with the Rudd plan.I'm very happy to look at sensible proposals to relocate our military forces over time.But with the PM admitting a move won't happen until around 2035 the Opposition Leader's got plenty of time to think about it.I'm a bit slow.It maybe possibly perhaps doing things in 10 or 15 or 20 years time and it seems to be tailor made for marginal seats which the Government is defending or hoping to win. Kevin Rudd admits the Government is the Underdog but isn't planning on learning new tricks.I don't intend to change one thing. I believe in being who I am. What you see is what you get and I don't intend to try to remake for the purposes of the good folks watching your program.Some will interpret that as veiled criticism of Julia Gillard's real Julia image makeover during the last election.You've been seeing glimpses of me but I'm going to make sure you see a whole lot more of me.The real Kevin Rudd says this election's not about him.There are a million things I could do in life beyond politics.And he's beginning to raise questions about Tony Abbott's ability to lead after revealing he spoke overnight with President Obama about responses to the suspected use of chemical weapons in Syria.And I sometimes question, I really do question having known Mr Abbott for a long, long time, whether he really has the temperament for that sort of thing.We know what Kevin Rudd's temperament's like because we've got it on video.Just fucking hopeless. This fucking language.The Coalition says they've been waiting for Labor's campaign to turn negative and they're fighting back.Kevin Rudd is the person who has had complaints made about him by hostesses on the VIP jet, about the make-up artist, just last week at the people's forum in Brisbane.Rupert Murdoch's News Limited titles have been running and rerunning stoirs attacking Mr Rudd's character since the campaign began.What really grates on you when it is fundamentally untrue., not even an exaggeration, which I'm used to but just a bald-faced live. And Therese and the kids they're human beings too and they feel. Tonight a former Labor leader is also calling out News Limited.The absolutely loaded prejudice with which they have approached this election. It does no justice to them and it does no justice to the democratic process.Media coverage of Mr Rudd aside, personal attacks have been relatively few and far between so far in this campaign. The question now is with 1.5 weeks to go whether the gloves are about to come off.The AFL has announced the penalties for the Essendon Football Club for its players using performance-enhancing supplements. The club will be banned from the finals and fined $2 million. Essendon's opportunity to select fresh recruits has also been cut and coach James Hird has been banned from any role in the AFL for 12 months. Hamish Fitzsimmons is at AFL headquarters in Docklands and joins us with the latest. AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou and the AFL Commission chairman have just held a press conference, what have they had to say? Well, this was an historic moment in the AFL's history. This has not happened before. They expressed their sadness that this has happened and that it's time for a wake up call for the entire AFL and the competition. Andrew Demetriou also said that the negotiations with Essendon were tough and he pointed out that the other players, the other people charged, Mark Thompson received a $30,000 fine, Essendon football operations manager Danny Corcoran received a 6-month suspension, two of those have been suspended so he's going to be out for 4 months from the game. And Essendon doctor Bruce Reid is contesting the charge of bringing the game into disrepute against him and his hearing will be held on Thursday. You have to remember that when the Melbourne Storm was found to have breached the salary cap a couple of years ago it lost premierships and there's going to be some criticism of the AFL no doubt about the seriousness of this punishment. So Andrew Demetriou was asked about how serious the punishment of this charge for bringing the game into disrepute was and here's some of what he had to say.This is without doubt the most significant matter that's come before the Commission and perhaps one of the most serious issues that's ever faced the game. The Commission in its deliberation needed to give full effect to the rules and regulations of the game to protect the integrity of the game to make sure this never happened again.So Hamish, how has the club reacted to this unprecedented fine and punishment? Well, immediately following the AFL press conference Essendon chairman Paul Little took the floor and last week Paul Little and James Hird came out attacking the process saying they had no faith in it but they seem to have made some concessions in the last few days and have agreed to these quite serious penalties. Paul Little was at pains to remind people there's been no breach of the anti-doping code, this was a charge of bringing the game into disrepute and he pleaded with fans to keep the faith. Several times he mentioned this was a time for Essendon to start rebuilding even though it was a painful moment for the club. Mr Little is one of Australia's most successful businessman and a renowned negotiator and even he said that negotiations with the AFL have been tough.We have been fighting very hard for what we believed in. We've been fighting very hard for the club to be able to tell its story and importantly for the sanctions and the facts that have now governed or crafted the penalties here to fit the crime and I guess at some stages during that process we felt that there was a big void between what we thought was a fair level of sanctions. So I'd have to say now just to repeat what I said before, I think the outcome tonight has been fair.Briefly Hamish, what does this mean for the final round of the AFL this weekend? Well, Essendon is due to play Richmond on Saturday night and the ironic thing if Richmond wins and there are certain other outcomes involving other teams, if Richmond wins that game then they will make it into the finals at the expense, I guess, of Essendon. So Paul Little reminded people or pleaded for Essendon fans to turn up to the game and saying that the players are quite into the prospect of playing for James Hird whom Mr Little has indicate ld be coaching Essendon in 2015 and has said there will be a contract extension for James Hird beyond that at the Essendon Football Club.Thanks so much.

The Syrian Government has pushed back against the growing call for Western intervention in the country's civil war. It says an American strike would only benefit Israel and groups linked to Al-Qaeda. Reports from the US say President Obama is considering a limited military strike against Syrian targets while the British PM has recalled Parliament to debate the matter. Iran has warned that such a move risks sparking a wider regional conflict. Meanwhile UN chemical weapons inspectors have suffered a setback after last night's sniper attack as Matt Brown reports.The UN team was preparing to move out for another day of inspections but the Syrian Government says the trip was cancelled because of a lack of coordination with rebel groups and it hit back at the mounting Western case for an attack. TRANSLATION: The war effort led by the US and their allies will only serve the interests of Israel as well as the Al-Qaeda-linked groups like the alnewsra front.The momentum is clearly building in Washington. The US has made its most passionate case yet for action against Syria.But make no mistake, President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people. Nothing today is more serious and nothing is receiving more serious scrutiny.But Syria's main regional ally, Iran, says a strike would have serious consequences for the entire region. TRANSLATION: We strongly warn against any military attack on Syria. Definitely such an attack will have dangerous and grievous consequences that involve the whole region.If there's to be a counter attack it could come from the Lebanese Shi'ite militia Hezbollah which has been funded, trained and armed by Syria and Iran for decades. Hezbollah's fighting beside Syrian Government troops inside Syria right now and it maintains an arsenal of rockets in southern Lebanon aimed at America's most important regional ally Israel, last stocked since their last conflict in 2006. That's one reason why the military keeps a close eye on these villages.We don't see patrols from one side to the other but we see them sometimes sneaking up just like you or as journalists with cameras or sometimes children with families. Hezbollah is monitoring us constantly, sometimes they're coming with a herd. You see a herd of 20 sheep with just 4 shepherds.A conflict here would imperil civilians in both countries. TRANSLATION: Some of their observation points are houses built with windows, openings aimed towards our territory, toward the border. Some of the openings are intended for launches and some for armed storage.While the Israeli military is far more powerful, this is Hezbollah 's heartland and every Israeli infantry unit is being trained in bush warfare to counter Hezbollah's home turf advantage.We know for sure that if we will need to go into Lebanon again then probably we'll fight in this kind of terrain.That's one reason why Syria's allies may look for other ways to respond because opening a front with Israel would pose serious risks for Hezbollah with one of its strongholds quickly overrun by Israeli troops and the blowback may not end there.If an operation like this ever goes ahead it could be as the face of Lebanon and the Middle East are changed forever.Whatever decisions are made by the West, Syria and its allies will have a vote in what follows.

And returning now to the federal election campaign where we're joined in the studio just a short time ago by the leader of the Palmer United Party Clive Palmer. Clive Palmer, good to have you on the show.Wonderful to be here.In 11 days time you expect to win as many as 15 seats at the election, what gives you that confidence given the latest Channel 7 ReachTEL poll has you winning no seats at all? ReachTEL never have you winning anything. When I was former party director there were polling companies I used to give large donations to and they would write -Are you saying they're polls? Rupert Murdoch owns Galaxy poll and Newspoll and the media tries to set the agenda and determines the result of an election before it's been held. That's not a democracy, it's up to the people. We'll win a lot more seats than 15, there's no doubt about that and people are looking for a change. The current lot are so boring.So you're saying there's some sort of a fraud being perpetuated out there? There has been but there won't be in the 2-party system. Let's face it on one side we've got one group being run by Rupert Murdoch, a foreign citizen of the another country and on the ooer side we've god Kevin Rudd bringing over obam's team of people to counter it. It's not about an Australian debate at all. You say the Coalition 's paid parental leave scheme is the most discriminatory piece of public policy in the history of this country but wouldn't your suggestion to abolish fringe benefits tax be even more unfair to low-paid workers? No, it wouldn't. If you're a single mother or stay-at-home mom you're not entitled to anything if you have a baby.I'm asking about your policy, abolishing fringe benefits tax, not too many low paid workers would be able to negotiate with your bosses to have cars and laptop computers and mobile phones and holidays and children's school fees and mortgage repayments paid for instead of income? It's about trying to stimulate the economy. We spend too much money in the public sector and not enough in the private sector. If business have more money it can employ more people. That's not business, that's individuals instead of paying income tax, the highest earners in the country would be paid through other mechanisms.Fringe benefits tax is paid by companies on behalf of benefits they give to their employees.Yes, but it means employees then don't pay nx income tax on those benefits.Those things are expenses of business normally, not of the employees and that's why the companies pay them. But the companies pay them with pretax salary and so the employees don't pay tax on that money.The changes the PM has made, fly in fly out workers will be regarded as getting a fringe benefit on their accommodation. If they've got to go to remote areas of Australia to work. You don't accept abolishing fringe benefits tax will only advantage the top earners in the country? I think we've got do you accept that? No, I don't. I think it will affect all of us badly if we kont - if we bring FBT on our fly in, fly out workers you won't have large industries being developed, the economy won't be stimulated and that's what we need to do. There's no confidence there today. The interest rates are down to 2.5% and people are not borrowing because they're scared.The Henry tax review actually suggested we tighten up the fringe benefits tax regime so that fringe benefits were taxed more in line with income tax so it didn't disadvantage low income earner s It's not about that. It's getting the economy going. We need to stimulate the economy, not tax Australians more or not cut expenditure. We've got to have an expanding economy in Australia. Neither the PM or the Opposition want to have that.Now also on the question of equity you want to reduce the personal income tax rate to 15%.No, that's not true. We want to reduce income taxes that all Australians pay by 15% so we'd free up more money and families would have more money and we think we can do that. There seems to be no problem in doing that. Our major policy -Your website says you want to reduce income tax to 15%? Well that's a mistake. It's by 15%. That's what we said in our policy speech. The reality of it is our main policy is to have companies not pay their tax quarterly in advance, but have it paid annually in arrears. The forward estimates state there will be $70 billion paid in advance in company tax in the year 2014-15. We think that's $70 billion is better being released in the economy because every time it turns over the Government will get another $7 billion GST and we'll have more jobs. When Kevin Rudd went to stimulate the economy he released $10 billion for things videos and things he gave away money, and this is about 7 or 8 times that amount of stimulus. That will get the economy going, that will create jobs, that will move people from different areas and of course by expanding the economy it will create more revenue and we'll have better hospitals and schools. That tax paid in advance by companies is still tax owed by the Government so it shouldn't be spent in the economy it should be saved up to be paid back to the Government. The whole reason it's paid in advance is so that businesses can plan their tax obligations: That's just not true, of course. Quarterly tax is paid advance on an estimate, not on what you've done. And tax is assessed on an annual basis. So companies may make a loss and still be paying tax to the Commissioner in the first 2 quarters of the year. So normally tax should be paid when it's due and this is paid when it's in advance. But we need money out there in our economy. If we look at what President Obama's done in the US if you translate and read the Treasury papers of the Japanese Parliament and see how Japan's expanded its economy and stimulated its economy to save a lot of jobs we need to do the same thing in Australia. This is beyond the intellectual capacity of our two candidates.The the Japanese are only just coming out of recession.It would be a lot worse if they didn't do that. It's hardly an economy we want to be judged against, is it? It's the third largest economy.It's a large economy because of what it's experienced in the past but in re cent years it's been doing very badly.Because of Australian resources basically and the capital in the Japanese economy is much stronger than Australia. We need to have more capital. Most of our capital is tied up in Government, not in the private sector and we need to increase the money supply there.I want to test a few other of your claims that your campaign launch and also at the press club yesterday. You said infant mortality rates among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders is the highest in the world. Now, you also said Australian children are dying faster than children in Africa, Asia and South America. That was your claim and it's patent ly wrong? That's not true. It depends how you define infant mortality.It's defined by - I think there aren't too many ways you can define infant mortality.If you want to listen you will find out. First of all the UN defines infant mortality as being an amount of live births. The infant mortality I was talking about was the number of foetuses that are aborted by the Aboriginal community because of alcoholic poisoning and if you add those -You didn't make that caveat.That's how I define it. Other people define it two different ways but if you add that to the number of live births it's a disgrace. Looking at the UN -What's the sta tusic? Looking at the UN statistics , what they say there's 7.3 live births I think the white population in Australia is about 3.2. So we've got Aboriginal children dying at twice the rate of white Australian children. I think that's a bad thing.Let me give you the statistics from the UN which put infant mortality at deaths per 1,000 live births. In Africa it's 73.I know all that.In Asia it's 37 and in South America it's 21.Yeah, but that's not what I said. I said -No, that's exactly what you said with all due respect.I didn't say anything about the UN. I said infant mortality. I regard aborted children by alcoholic poisoning as being just as valuable as children that are born because they don't go full term because of their conditions and the way the Government is providing the normal sort of services that you get here in Sydney that you've been able to have children with to Aboriginal women. I think that should change.What is that statistic? Well I can give you the statistics if you want them, I can send them to you.Is it more than 73 deaths per 1,000 in Africa?Of course it is. If you have a look at that. Of course it is the amount of people dying of alcohol poison is chronic. If you talk to any indigenous leaders they will tell you that.At the press club yesterday you also claim that our seniors and Disability pensioners are paid less than newly arrived asylum seekers, how is that in any way an accurate statement? We spend $6 billion needlessly on asylum seekers in this country on that problem. If you add that to the allowances that they're paid divide it but the number of asylum seekers you will see the number of Commonwealth expenditure going out to asylum seekers far exceeds the amount per pensioner that is paid to pensioners. Pensioners are struggling in this country. Their pension needs to be increased. We think something needs to be done about it. It's a serious matter.It is a serious matter but your exact claim was that asylum seekers are paid more. That $6 billion is not paid to asylum seekers, you'd have to admit. I mean that's money paid to immigration officials to process them, to build campsites with tents.To house them up, to separate families and to persecute them and that's what it's about.But your exact claim was that they are being paid more than pensioners and that's just not accurate? What I was saying was the allocation in the Budget, I'll correct it for you, for asylum seekers is far more per capita than what we give to our pensioners and I think that's wrong.Dropping income taxes costs around 24 to $35 billion at your 15%.You're putting it out of context.No, no, if it was the 15% flat tax it was $35 billion if it's reducing it by 15% it's $24 billion.You're misrepresenting it of course.I'm actually not because I consulted the experts.Why not consult me? What I'm saying is if we reduce income tax by $2,500 per average taxpayer that money is in their hands and if that money circulates 10 times in the year the Government gets back their $2,500 by the impact it will have on the economy. So it doesn't cost us anything. President Obama's done that and stimulated the US economy. He's increased the money supply apd done that. So you've only got to turn over that money 10 times in a year and you get the same amount of GST. So it's a negative argument to say that where's the money coming from? It's coming from the increased stimulus. That's a different economic view that you have here from Tony Rabbit who wants the cut the budget by $72 billion or Kevin Rudd who wants to tax more people. I'm saying we need to stimulate Australia, build up our demand which will create more jobs and do it through a wealth creation scheme so you get more revenue for government so you have better services. So that's a different approach. Of course it's novel because they've never debated economics in this election campaign. They don't know how to. But they're the things that affect people out there.Now on other matters are you planning to close your nickle refinery business in Townsville after the election? No.So why are so many of the refinery executives standing as candidates for the Palmer United Party? That's a matter for them. They want to serve and there's not so many of them at all. There's only 3 of them. 3 out of 1,000 people.But they're quite seen your executives, aren't they? One's my nephew. There's two of my nephews that are standing right.One's a managing director and one's a managing director and one an executive director.This is a business with 1,400 people working for it. But why would the senior executives be leaving to run as candidates? That's a matter for them. They're my relations, they want to support me. That's why they're doing it. What does your sister do?Will they continue to run the nickle refinery as well? Maybe not. They've only been in that position for 3 months. It's just a beat up by Rupert Murdoch.It's a curious matter, isn't it? It's not significant at all who runs my business. It's a private business with no public interest in it and what I do really is my business.Don't you employ around 1,000 people? I do but I own the business and it's my money and the business -But I'm sure they're concerned about whether or not you might close the refinery? I said I'm not closing the refinery. That's just bullshit. Whether 3 people leave a 1,400 person organisation do you think it falls apart? When the managing director of the ABC leaves here and you leave here do you think there won't be an ABC? What a load of crap. These were questions raised by the Queensland mining Minister? Andrew Cripps kounts make a decision. I was there when he was endorsed. He's a front for his mother. They're doing this because he's a Liberal and I used to be a life member of the Liberal Party and Thiess trying to make a political point. It's not to do with business and all he's trying to do is to have a beat up so you will run it tonight. We should get politics beyond that really.Now I'd also like to ask you about the James Ashby matter. Justice Rares dismissed the case against Peter Slipper Azzan abuse of process.That's quite true. He said it was politically motivated.It was. Can you provide any details of your discussion with Mal Brough who was a minister in the Howard Government and who is now challenging for the seat against Peter Slipper? Mal Brough approached me and asked to have a meeting and we met at Coolum resort. I had a drink with him and he said to me that he had some damning evidence against Peter Slipper that he wanted to share with me and I said what was that and why do you want to share it with me? He outlined the case he thought was against Peter Slipper in relation to one of his employees and I said what's that got to do with you? You're not the employee. He said, "We want you to give us the money and fund it." Because at that stage I think Peter Slipper was relevant in the balance of power in this country and I said well I'm not prepared to fund anyone's campaign. And he said, "Can I explain it more to you?" And he explained it to me and I took the judgment that it was basically made up, it was done for political purposes and it was hearsay and I wanted nothing to do with it. He then asked me if I'd give a job to a woman that was key in the case that he was working on and he's admitted to that and I said I wouldn't give her a job. And as we were concluding the conversation Joe Hockey went past because he was staying at the resort with his family. He sat down and we had a cup of coffee. At no time did Joe Hockey even discuss this issue and he was -Did you discuss it with him? Did you mention it to him? To Joe Hockey? I don't recall. I don't think I did but certainly not this issue. He just sat down and had a cup of coffee and then he went. On the last day of Parliament just recently Peter Slipper attacked Joe Hockey for being part of a conspiracy. And that just wasn't true. The only discussion I had was with Mal Brough. The only request I had was with Mal Brough and when I indicated I didn't want to fund the thing he suggested I visit Brisbane and meet with a QC which I never did. How much money was he looking for? I don't know. He was looking to fund the case and I said I wasn't prepared to do it. It wasn't a question of the amount of money, it was the question of proprietory of it. I you don't want to fund cases against people you have no personal interest in for the sake of it, it's not a good thing to do. I thought it was highly politically motivated. I thought it was the wrong thing to do and when the judgment came through in the Federal Court it found that was the case without any reference to anything I could have said and I thought I'll leave it at that.Why did you initially tell reporters in Brisbane in December last year that you hadn't been approached by Mal Brough? No, I didn't say that. If you look at my Twitter account on 26 July 2012 I set out exactly what my position was in relation to Peter Slipper and all that. That's all I said. I never made any comment but I felt I had to when Peter Slipper on the last day of Parliament attacked Joe Hockey to say that he was involved in a conspiracy against him. Now I wasn't aware of that attack until I was approached by about 2 weeks ago by the media and then I referred back to hansard and had a look at it and then I thought I better clear the air because Joe Hockey shouldn't go to the election with that cloud hanging over him because he certainly had no role in the operation. Mal Brough called you a liar, do you intend to pursue that matter? Of course I will, yeah.In what way? I'll sue him.And when do you intend to do that? As soon as my lawyers can get the writ onto him because he's a liar, there's no doubt about that. He's been found by the Federal Court to have been acting for political processes, independently of me. He's just doing this as another desperate attempt to get into parliament and really he will have to account for himself and in court I'll produce the evidence that I've got that indicates what I'm saying is true.Clive Palmer, thanks so much for coming in.It's such a pleasure. All the best. A work and family policy group has criticised both major parties for failing to address Australia's growing demand for affordable child care. While there has been plenty of debate about paid parental leave during the election campaign the work and family policy round table says the major parties are dodging the child care debate because it costs more to fund than parental leave. John Stewart reports and the producer was Kandice Talburg.It's a busy rush home after a long day at work for Jo Stintiford and her husband Tim with 2 children under the age of 4. Alrighty. Are you hungry?Yeah. We're hungry.Jo and Tim both work full time. Their 2 children are in child care 4 days a week.The centre is subsidised by Sydney's Manly Council but like many child care centres throughout Australia fees are on the rise.It's going up by 30% so basically that $700 a week is going up to $924 a week which equates to - for the 2 children 4 days a week about $36,000 out-of-pocket per year and that's more than private school fees, I think.Even after receiving the Federal Government's rebate, more than half of Jo Stintiford's wage is spent on child care fees.Manly Council says improving the quality of child care comes with a cost. It costs a lot to pay staff the quality that we have to provide a service in very good facilities for their children and we have to realise that Manly Council's only a small council of 40,000 residents. It cannot keep subsidising child care into the future as it has done historically.The work and family policy round table represents social researchers from 18 Australian universities from across the country. The group has produced a report comparing the major parties' work and family policies. The Coalition gets a tick for its 6-month paid parental leave scheme. The

Labor has promised 300 million to boost the wages of child care workers and 450 million for out of school care. The report finds:

The work and family policy round table has had a good look at the international evidence and the policies that are on offer. We think improving paid parental leave is a positive step and the Coalition's in front of Labor on it. But on child care, which is so important, we have more on the table from the Labor Party and similarly in relation to flexibility at work.The work and family report also says that improving paid parental leave without making child care more affordable may do little for families in the longer term.Paid parental leave is important and we've come a long way in the last 2 years from where we were before when many women had no support at all, when they had a new baby. But it's more than paid parental leave. A balanced policy approach really has to give weight to child care which is a long-term question that affects the well-being of children, of parents and is a very important shape of productivity and participation in paid work.The Coalition has promised a Productivity Commission inquiry into child care. But social researchers say that both major parties are shying away from tackling the increasing costs.The call for the Productivity Commission sounds as if they're just hedging their bets and pushing the issue away into the too hard basket because they know that the prospect of either raising taxes or trying to raise the costs in any other way would simply be unpalatable.The Greens today unveiled a $2 billion child care policy designed to boost payments to families by $1,400 per year.Helping over 800,000 families who at the moment are struggling to pay their child care fees but desperately want to see good quality care for their children.Jo Stintiford says that if child care costs continue to rise she may be forced to stay at home.For someone like me who is working full time, and I do want to work full time for a lot of reasons, with the costs in child care right now currently and with the increase in our own child care fees it's making me reassess whether it is worth working full time.A question facing many Australian families.Australia's first real star of television current affairs, Bill Peach has died. The ABC broadcaster has been described as a trail blazer with a sense of humour and a passion for the bush. He was 78. David Spicer reports.Live every night at 7:30 he was Australia's television current affairs pioneer.Good evening, I'm Bill Peach and the program is this day 'Tonight'.'This Day Tonight' was watched by millions showing Australia warts and all.They broke important stories. They told it with outrageous humour and they were controversial stirrers of the day. (Sings) # Run, run, run the bastards over # As I said to... # We had furious debates, we had people attacking each other in the studio and I mean physically as well as verbally and we had riots going on inside and outside the studio.Colleagues remember his boyish charm, incisive mind and above all his love of the bush.We reporter s used to go out into the bush to do a story and they'd say, the bushies would say to us "We thought you were going to send Bill, you know." Because they loved him.After 8 years of prime time television he moved to documentaries, burning rubber all over the country.In fact we calculated in 2 years of doing 'Peach's Australia' that we'd travelled 5 times around the world without leaving the continent.From television he moved into the travel business and for over 25 years took tourists to see the outback in style. His enthusiasm never wavered.It's wonderful when you see something new and it hits you right in the eye and this's what this country does. Bill Peach died this morning after a brief battle with cancer.And now to the weather:

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This Program is Captioned Live.Tonight - counting the real jobless numbers. Lies, damn lies, propaganda and the unemployment rate.The Government has been manipulating the unemployment rate to reduce it for their political benefit.I'm Ticky Fullerton, you're watching The Business. One strident critic is accusing the Federal Government of fiddling the unemployment figures. 5.7% and counting, but claims the real figure's over 6%.The great super fee grab, billions poached from nest eggs as savers fight back.And an $860 million wipeout but suitors still fighting over a drowning Billabong.Well first a quick look at markets and no panic from investors as the US signalled possible military action against the Syria Government over an alleged chemical weapon attack.

Predictions that Australia's unemployment rate could hit a decade high of 6.25% in a year was a shock to some. But some analysts say we're almost there right now. A report by the Centre for Independent Studies maintains if not for government manipulation Australia's unemployment rate would be over 6%. Here's finance correspondent Philip Laskar. They are the numbers that enhance or diminish a government's reputation like no others.Unemployment is the major issue in this campaign and both parties are ignoring it because they rely on the ABS figure which is absolutely wrong.Look, for me as a labour market researcher the unemployment rate is one of the least helpful indicators for understanding what's going on.But for a government the jobs numbers are a stark indicator of economic management and researcher Andrew Baker has accused this government of sinister motives.The Government has been manipulating the unemployment rate to reduce it such for their political benefit.I just think that's a ridiculous proposition. That's just not true. Everybody looks at the ABS numbers so this is not about changing rules to make the unemployment look different.Andrew Baker says in 2009 as the global financial crisis hit the Government changed the activity test requirements for people on the dole. Those receiving new start allowance and youth allowance in training courses were classified as non-jobseekers even though they were receiving unemployment benefits. And as non-jobseekers they're not required to look for work and therefore not counted in the unemployment rate.I estimate that the unemployment rate would be up to 0.5% points higher than it currently is. With the unemployment rate at 5.7% at the moment it would be closer to 6.2%.The number of non-jobseekers on the Newstart allowance has grown since 2009 compared to the number of jobseekers receiving the announce. The CIS says the number of people on unemployment benefitses who are training and not job seeking has soared by 138% in 3 years.I think on the whole education and training it improves people's lives but for some people they are worse off by being put into education and training.Things that many people would take for granted are often big news for the long-term unemployed. So you do need specific interventions to literally make these people employable.But the evidence on the effectiveness of training programs is patchy.Most of us think that one year in training is probably better than one year being unemployed and doing just job searching but that's a contentious point and now that we've had the program for some time I think it is a good idea to look and see how well it's working.That judgment is made more difficult by one inescapable fact.It doesn't matter whether you change one funding guideline or not there's not enough demand to employ all the people people we've got.Gary Morgan releases his own job numbers to account for ewhat he considers the biggest problem.We Vacuette.25 million unemployed in Australia, we have nearly 1.25 who are underesm ployed.It's an issue that hasn't escaped the Bureau of Statistics, regarded as one of the world's finest which has plans to release more timely information on underemployment.The superannuation industry rakes in $18 billion in fees last financial year or more than 1% of Australia's G DP. Even industry insiders admit that's too much and they're finding new ways to cut out the middlemen. But as the industry fails to show any great cost reductions from its growing scale, saver s are voting with their feet to seek out better