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This Program Is Captioned Live. The mining boss warns things are bad for the coal business. People will go elsewhere. They'll go to Queensland, thal ror go to Canada, they'll go to the United States.And seal of approval. One wildlife photographer's quest to protect our zoo friends. The goal is to get people to notice all the different species in the world and get them to care about them.Shortly I'll be joined by family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward, did she mislead the parliament? First, no respite. What seems like Australia's longest ever election has reached a milestone of the 19th official campaign day with no signs of fatigue and no let-up from either party leader. The Opposition today unveiled a controversial new plan to stop people smuggling by buying back unseaworthy boats in Indonesia. Labor has dismissed the scheme, calling it crazy and a grab for media attention and Kevin Rudd today predicted he could pull off a 1993 Paul Keating style election comeback. Heather Ewart reports. Just past the midway point in this campaign and the pressure's on to hone the sales pitches for the crucial final stretch. We enter the campaign as underdogs, we're still underdogs and we are fighting, fighting and fighting and there are things worth fighting for. Two weeks to go now and it's clearer and clearer that this election campaign pits the positive plans of the Coalition against more of the same from a divided and directionless Government.Buoyed by opinion polls continuing to run in its favour, the Opposition smells decisive victory. Kevin Rudd, during a media blitz on the hustings in Western Sydney, clings to the hope he can pull off the unexpected. I think that people need to think about this in terms of some political history. I'm old enough to remember what happened in a campaign 20 years ago in 1993 where the then Australian Labor Prime Minister, Mr Keating, entered the race as underdog. And went on to win but there's no sign yet of a repeat for Labor this time as the Opposition ramps up what it thinks is a winning formula. We're not going to be all talk and no action here. We are sending the clearest signal to is the people smugglers your game
is up. Your game is up, we run is up. Your game is this country is up. Your game is up, we run this country and we decide who comes here. We will exercise the control that is necessary.In door wn came the latest addition to the - in Darwin came the latest addition to the Opposition's Operation Sovereign Borders policy, a $440 million plan for more regional action to stop people smuggling. The policy which Scott Morrison and I are proud to announce today essentially involves working much more closely with source and transit countries to interdict the operations of the people smugglers.It's a new take on the old stop the boats theme that means sending more Australian police to Indonesia to work with local authorities but way more contentious, a move to set up a village watch and offer bounties for information as well as buy back unseaworthy boats destined for people smuggling. We want to have a program that reaches out up to 100 villages across Indonesia but also the opportunity where the intelligence leads you to have the option to be able to get that boat before the people smuggler does and stop that boat from leaving Indonesia. That saves lives, it saves the taxpayers money ultimately. It's much better and much more sensible to spend a few
thousand dollars in Indonesia than to spend thousand dollars in than to spend $12 million processing the people who ultimately arrive here so it's common-sense measure.A measure that was swiftly met with derision by Labor. Of all the mad ideas I've heard in immigration, I think boat buyback wins. The whole concept that you can deal with three-quarters of a million boats, most of which are being used for poor villagers to make a livelihood, and Australian officials are going to wander in and buy the boats from them, it is simply crazy policy. No other way of describing this. Mr Abbott's plan to have, it seems, a 3-star general sitting at the end of a jetty with a cheque book to buy back fishing boats in Indonesia is about as irresponsible as his plan for a paid parental leave scheme which gives $75,000 to millionaires.As Labor refines its campaign strategy, generous
attacking Tony Abbott's generous paid paternity leave scheme, he's now a consistent focus. At almost every turn in Sydney's Western suburbs today, Kevin Rudd was at it again and again, even as he announced cutting GST red tape for small business. We're in the business of making it easier for small business to get out there and prosper whereas Mr Abbott is imposing on small businesses and independent retirees and families the tax burden to pay for his unaffordable, unfair and irresponsible paid parental leave scheme. If you want to do the right thing by the families of Australia, by the workers of Australia, by the businesses of Australia, you need a fair dinkum paid parental leave policy and that's exactly what people will get from the Coalition. But Labor noes full well the policy sits uneasily in Coalition ranks and in the business commune, worried about its cost. That's why Kevin Rudd will continue to hammer it from now 'til election day. This and the Coalition's failure to release its Budget costings and potential cuts. Tony Abbott took a hit on that front today with respected Merrill Lynch economist Saul Eslake claiming a gap of almost $30 billion between the Coalition's tax cuts and new spending promises and savings unveiled so far. I have a high regard for Saul Eslake as an economist but when it comes to actually doing Budget numbers it's an entirely proper
different thing. We've got a proper process we've gone through the parliamentary Budget office, our numbers are absolutely right, our policies have gone to the parliamentary Budget office. All of our policies will be fully costed and fully funded and the overall Budget bottom line will be better under us than under the Labor Party. Which jobs go, which health services are cut, which schools are cut etc. Is this the sort of person you want running a trillion-dollar economy? you want running a $1.5 don't think so. We've got to zip and go and meet the good folks who live here.Voters still shouldn't expect to get all of the Opposition's costings and cuts until the last few days of the campaign. Thanks, Heather. Now coal concerns. The mining industry is anxiously awaiting next week's ICAC report into former Minister Ian McDonald's approval of the Doyles creek training mine. The mine's licence was originally granted on Christmas Eve 2008 to a company associated with former union boss John Maitland. The ensuing ICAC hearings have been disastrous for the publicly listed new coal resources which as a magener vestor in the project, has asuffered a devastating share price plunge. Now its investors and directors are fearful that adverse findings could sink their project. Company chairman Gordon Got says New Coal acquired the licence fairly in February 2010 and as an innocent party it deserves compensation if it's cancelled. Brendan trem bath reports.Coal mining earns enormous returns for the companies involved and the NSW Government. It receives more than a billion dollars in royalties each year. Coal is the State's most important export with Newcastle the biggest coal port in the world and with exports expected to double in 20 years, there are plans to expand the coal-loading facilities here. State's coal mania is driving employment and investment everywhere from the waterfront to the big end of town. Some of those close to the industry have been accused by ICAC of dirty deeds and that's causing problems in the business world. a valuable
New Coal resources risks losing a valuable exploration lease over the Doyles creek area about 100km Newcastle. It would be
devastating

point of view. The chairman insists the company's an innocent by-stander and suffering from guilt by association. It is concerning that people think that our company is somehow connected with wrongdoing and if you just look slightly below the surface you'd realise it's never ever been that way and it can't be that way. The innocent parties are the land owners and Nucoal. The ICAC is investigating the original grant of the lease, the involvement of the former Minister Ian McDonald in that. The lease was granted in 2008 to Doyles creek mining chaired by ex-union boss John Maitland. He and the Minister promoted it as a training mine. When Doyles creek mining was acquired by Nucoal resources two years later, John Maitland made millions of dollars. No Nucoal executives have been implicated in the ICAC investigation. Gordon Galt insists they have no reason to be suspicious about the exploration licence approved by Ian McDonald. As far as we're concerned, as far as investors are concerned, it is a duly appointed Minister of the Crown of the Government of the day. I can't walk in with the authority of an ICAC and ask that Minister, "Is there some irregularity with this?" The ICAC investigation has scared many investors. Nucoal resources shares have fallen down a deep shaft, wife ing $200 million from its market value. There could be more shocks to come. Gordon and his colleagues worry what the commission might recommend to fix past wrongs. Their nightmare is the exploration lease being cancelled. The most unfair way would be to punish the innocent and I think I've never heard anyone say that Nucoal's done anything wrong and that we are guilty of anything and we're the ones who spent all the money and we're the ones who took it from a zero resource to a 500 million-ton resource. Community groups are concerned it's greed not need steering the approvals process. We really feel like the entire process of coal development in this State needs to be examined because at the moment it's just failing communities.He says allowing Nucoal to keep its mining lease would be like letting a buyer keep a car they later learned was stolen. I think those leases are clearly so O'Farrell Government pull the pin so tainted now that the
O'Farrell Government pull the pin on those.But a senior resources analyst says investment in the industry will be threatened if that happens. Lawrence says companies have to have stable rules and know for certain they own what they acquire. Too much has gone on, too many people have spent too much money and the State is the beneficiary of all of this. A new resource has been found which potentially could be turned into a development and jobs and royalties for the State of NSW.He says people who act in good faith should not be penalised. If there was guilty action then deal with those individual parties not the other people, the shareholders who are in effect collateral damage.Back at Nucoal, they're already considering who they can serve. If there are parties that are identified who have caused harm or loss or damage to Nucoal 13, as directors we have no choice but to pursue those. But before the lawyers swoop, Nucoal executives say they're prepared to sit down with the State Government to discuss a fair way to resolve the situation. If not resolved fairly, Gordon Galt warns it will send an elarm signal to industry.
investors in the State's coal industry. People will go elsewhere. They'll go to Queensland, to Canada too, the United States, to South Africa, Indonesia, Mongolia, it's not as though there aren't lots of other choices. The Nucoal chairman's a miner going way back remember in his first job they lit their way with lamps like this one. Years later, he's just as passionate about mining. If they'll be mining coal in the Doyles creek area by 2016 they'll be mining coal in Doyles creek area by 2016 and shipping it Doyles creek shipping it out of Newcastle. Mining is still big business here in the State of NSW. The industry particularly here in the Hunter is geared for export. The coal ships sail every export. The coal every day. I think the sooner the project's developed, that's the better situation for the better situation for the people of NSW. You would obviously get the royalty flow in excess of $1.5 billion over a 20-odd-year period.There's another prize, Nucoal has promised to spend 5% of after-tax profit on community projects. Frankly, we are still quite happy to build a training mine there in the could
eventual time when we actually could develop an underground mine. We're happy to have training mine. Is the training mine a sham? It's not a sham to us. When we bout bought the Doyles creek exploration licence, a key condition was that a training mine was established. We took that on in good faith and we've spent quite a bit of money on it already. At Nucoal they're hopeful of pursuing their goal to extract 100 million tons of coal from the Doyles creek area but that hinges on the recommendations of the soon to be released ICAC report. Family and Community Services Minister proou Goward has been under pressure to resign this week,cused by the Opposition of having misled parliament, the bicycle bl scpik media with her statement in February that the number of child protection case workers had gone up slightly. In defending herself and rejecting that charge, the Minister revealed she could not rely on the department's head count numbers. On Tuesday , case workers went on strike in protest over unfilled vacancies. Before we get to the politics of this, the key question, are children known to DoCS at greater risk now than in the past? Pru Goward joins me now. Minister, welcome. Thank you.Are they? No, because the first way of ensuring children aren't at risk is to see them and since we came to Government we're seeing over 4,000 more reports every year so the short answer is we're seeing more children which means that you've got less children at risk. As a preventative strategy- Because it enables you to make an sysment but you've got to make the right assessment when you do see them and I remind you there's been a couple of tragic murders in the last couple of years, two years ago, where children were seen, in fact the department had quite lot of information on them but there was the wrong judgment. It's the a professional risk independent management judgment. Correct. How do you know the figures you quotered accurate? In the letter you tabled in the parliament in defending yourself, you've indicated you were exasperated by the department's failure to provide quality consistent reporting of case worker data. Because that's about case worker numbers but the number of reports seen, the ombudsman made an observation about the number of reports seen in 2010 and then we had annual report data that showed you that it had gone up. There's external oversight?Yes.Of the face to face? The ombudsman was making the point that for all the billions of dollars that Labor had spent and justice James woods' recommendations and the reforms, that Labor left office seeing only 21% of kids. They were seeing fewer children than they had beforech that was our challenge and of course that's why Labor doesn't like me. That's why they don't like this debate.What is the current case worker head count, fulltime, casual and temporary? OK, the last time I asked, which was March, I was told that it was 2 wrb 182. Since then we've recruit ed about 184 vacancy though? about 184 people. What's argument between head count and budgeted alloning. That is exactly the problem I set out to solve. Because I was being told it was head coun, that's the number that previous Labor Ministers had always used, they thrrts annual report number, but I don't think that's good enough and I don't think the staff think it's good enough either. I can double the head count in community services by making everybody's fulltime job part-time so we all know that head count numbers are a pretty rough guide but that was all I had and that's why when I did get some information I then instructed the director-general to produce for me and the public and the staff a reliable, transparent way of reporting on a website. I want to get to the misleading of the that
parliament charge. You said in that March letter to your then director-general Jim Moore after receiving a briefing note that for the first time case worker numbers had fallen below June and December 2012 levels, that it was your intention to advise the parliament of the new information. Why did you not so advise the parliament? Because, and that was a bit of a shot across the bows, that data they proied me in that briefing note I didn't think was reliable. Let me read what they said in the briefing note about the data, "The ability to reconcile staff ing numbers between HR and regional offices is in progress." They didn't even have the ability reconcile the different reports on how even have the ability to
reconcile on how many numbers there were." on how many numbers were." You didn't trust the department? No. department? No. That's why I was so tough. There are very few times that Ministers direct directors-general in writing and that's why I said, "I'm sick of this. You've been putting me off for a year, I want a transparent means of reporting that we can all see by June 30." And I know you want to get to the website. The sis a question of Ministerial responsibility. You had allowed a public perception to be created that case worker strength was being maintained for children at significant risk but at no time did you correct that perception by a frank disclosure to the parliament or the public that you could no longer trust your department's data. Doesn't that failure or omission amount to misleading the parliament and the public? I told the parliament in March that I had instructed the director-general to develop proper, robust, transparent measures. I think that was as far as I could go. This is a public trust matter. "Madam Speaker yment to inform the House that I am having trouble getting the accurate data on head coun of case workers in the department." You have a responsibility as a Minister to make such a statement. No, because head count had always been the number used. I don't want to use head count and that's what I set to the department as the task. Tell me how we can better report numbers that are believable, that can't be dodgied as Labor did. You can always create the claim you've got more staff by creating more part-timers. I wanted a reliable, consistent measure that could go on the website regularly by region sewn we knew where the staff were, where they were on the ground and how many reports they were seeing. We're going to get that, are we? That is the idea. It's going to be all up there? I want it up there. Quentin, this should be the last interview you and I ever have about case worker numbers. You reckon! Why didn't you know your department had commissioned the Ernst & Young head count in April/May? Well, because my job is not to second-guess- Your having a fight with them and you don't know. No-one's told you, the director-general? No, Quentin, my purpose was to get a transparent way of reporting this number publicly. If they want to get draft reports from consultant, consultants I might add that never came and saw me, never talked to me about it because they were one of a number of inputs- What was your relationship with the director-general like? It was broken down obviously if you're dealing with him in writing like that. You couldn't pick up the phone? I had already picked up the phone. I thought it was important to send a very strong message that this Government wants transparency, it doesn't want to be dodgied around with head counts, and wants to publish data that case workers believe, our staff believe and the public believe is doing the right thing. Your department's leaking against you now. Why? I think there will always be a bit of who don't like change. They're frightened of transparency. They don't want maybe a scrutiny of how many case workers we have and how many children they're seeing, but there are plenty of other wonderful reforms going on and I have to say I think our case workers do an extraordinary job and we want to get out of their way so they can see more children. I don't want to hear about case workers driving back and forth with documents from Parramatta courts instead of being able to see children.Pru Goward, thanks very much. Thank you.It's possibly the best and worst job in the world and Joel Sart ray wouldn't it for and Joel Sart ray it for anything. The it for anything. The national gre geographic reporter has gre geographic been chased by lions, tigers
and bears in his quest for the and bears in his quest best shot. Now he's in Sydney. He's been photographing exotic and dangerous animals for the past 20 years. With national geographic, they say if your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough. They do not really accept failure and they can't publish your excuses.But Joel Sartore's current assignment may be his toughest yet.I'm trying to photograph every captive species on earth for this project called the Photo Ark so it's a tall order. This is wonderful. You know, everything has its own beauty and everything's worth saving to me. The National Geographic photographer calls Nebraska home but his career has taken him to every continent. This week he arrived in Sydney and headed straight to Taronga Zoo. It's really a world-class zoo and they have many, many dozens of species I have not photographed elsewhere yet. Are there any other species you have that maybe another zoo wouldn't have? Maybe communal project where
huntsmen. Photo Ark is a project where I'm going around the world taking pictures of as many captive animals as I can before my time runs Hopefully that will be another 20 years or so. The goal is to get people to notice all the species in the world and care about them and save them while there's still time. This is the Sydney funnel web spider. This is a female funnel web spider. Is this the most venomous of Australia's spiders? The male is, yes. All creatures great and small are equally important in the Photo Ark project. The allow
black and white backgrounds allow the focus to stay firmly on the subject. The black and white backgrounds are a great equaliser in a way. A mouse is no less important as a polar bear and a tiger beetle is every bit as important as a tiger. To me, it's a way of getting very, very close and looking these things in the eye and showing their beauty and their grace and their value. It's just a nice way of getting in close and seeing what these things really look like.But with great assignments there are always challenges. So what's been the most challenging so far to photograph? Chimps. Chimps are really tough. Doesn't this look nice. Perfect. It's perfect for chimps. They throw their poop at you. They rip the backgrounds up. Generally speaking, with great apes and big cats you have to paint the backgrounds, you paint them with black or white paint and use a pressure washer to get the paint off afterwards. They're really tough. They're very smart and you also have to have an opening through the wire. These aren't tame animals, they'regist doing what they do and they're cusious. Sometimes they're aggressive, most of the time they're just curious and want to come over and check out what you've got so you have to have an opening in the wire big enough to have a picture of them and black or white behind them. That's really a tall order for some species. Do you have a favourite you've photographed so far? My favourite is always the next one I'm going to do. I'm excited about every one good get to do. It is an honour and privilege to go round to zoos. I'm grateful for what I get. You do photograph humans. What do you prefer, humans or animals? Humans and animals both have their charms. To me it's easier to photograph animals and the photos usually are more true because you can't really tell a grisly bear what to do. I like doing both but animals are my first love because, again, the pictures can kind of go to work. These pictures will be around long after I'm gone and hopefully will get people inspired to learn about them a bit and find out what's driving this species to oblivion too, extinction x what can I do to save them? The good news is most of what I photograph can be saved but it's just not having any one pay attention to it. We don't know about these thing. My role is really as an educator with the camera.

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welcome to Hello, I'm Jane welcome to the program. As a fifth generation Texan, Brene Brown knows a thing or two about being tough. She was also born with a big heart and a strong desire to help people. She is a scholar and a research Professor in social work at the University of Houston. In her new book, 'Daring Greatly', she explains how vulnerability is essential to living a happy life. Professor Brown became an internet sensation after her first Ted talk three years ago and is speaking with Whitney Fitzsimmons. Brene Brown, welcome to One Plus One.I'm excited to be here.You are a fifth generation Texan. You have a family motto that is lock and load.That's true.How did that Brene
manifest itself in a young Brene Brown?I think I was probably raised - I think Australians and Texans have a lot in common. I was raised with the ethos of suck it up, get it done, soldier on, tough it out, you know. So there was not a lot of fooling around, just very kind of be strong and be tough.Knowing what you know now, what would you say to that young girl back then?You know, I think one of the things that even genders in kids growing up in that culture, whether it's here or it's in Texas, is a lot