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(generated from captions) come to a conclusion on the matter and may imposed a sanctions on any person'sos concerned. The AOC received credible confidential evidence that one of the relay swimmers had Stilnox in his possession on the had Stilnox on the plane. The relay swimmer concerned when it was put to him denied that was true . However, if it were true in view of all the other circumstances the AOC would regard such conduct very seriously. We'll leave that there. The Immigration Minister Tony Burke has just begun a media conference in Melbourne. waiting there
This is in response, he's just waiting there till everyone gets on board. This is in response to the announcement from Tony Abbott that we've just heard in the last half-hour or so.I want to provide some information on other issues where there's been a number of inquiries and media reports already. I've noticed on social media there has been some reports of a 7 a year old dementia patient who reported ly - 75-year-old - who might find herself deport ed back to South Africa. I have asked for a brief on that to be brought to me by the beginning of next week with an indication to the department that I intend to view that case with sympathetic consideration. So I will look at that at the beginning of next week. It certainly doesn't match up with how you would want Australia's immigration system to be dealing with a dementia patient. On the next issue, in's been a number of letters which go back and forth between departments all the time, between pap North Korea and Australia. Ordinarily they are letters that remain within government but one of them from about a week ago has made its way into the media, and has resulted in some speculation that Australia would not have access to the East Loringau site on Manus Island. We received yesterday in writeing from the Papua New Guinea government that the issues relating to this site have now been settled. And that site is now available for to us begin work on. So the speculation that's been occurring was with respect to an old letter, now that that's been clarified, I believe that that detail is at least important to be able to bring down on the public record in this way. The opposition today have claimed and they've claimed to be working announcement for four years. It claimed to be working on this announcement for takes a very special skill announcement for four years. work on something
takes a very special skill to work on something for takes a very special years and then deliver it you're on the run. years and then deliver unfortunately what the you're on the opposition have done. If you look you're on the run. That is
unfortunately what the look at both the opposition have done. If you look at both the papers this
morning as look at both dropped the announcement out there and the media conference dropped the there and the can just they've just can just point out a few concerns. In the first instance, in the draft given to today's paper, they started to detail how they'd conduct covert operations in other countries. I don't think it takes before we get to principle No. 1 of covert operations, which is you don't drop them to the media. The whole nature of a covert operation is that it would be dealt with in a covert fashion. The immaturity of the opposition in thinking it was a clever media line to start talking about covert operations is sort of a match-up to the kindergarten child who runs around saying hey I've got a secret do, you want to know what it is? The entire power and nature of covert operations is that you don't telegraph them through the media. The decision to do so I find odd. The second part of their policy today has Tony Abbott effectively doing the exact opposite of everything he said almost exactly three years ago. The quotes are all out there to find. Where he object ed to the East Timor announcement at the time from the former Prime Minister. Go back over Tony Abbott's words then about the need to receive consent from a country before you make an announcement. Mind you on his comments about the need to receive consent from a country before you make an announcement, that was right. The sad thing is today he has done the exact opposite. They sought no consent whatsoever and then rushed out to the media. What we're talking about here and the nature of the announcement that they're saying what they will do in other countries, they're talking about deploying Australian Federal Police. Just think from the perspective as an Australian, if another country union naturally announced they were sending their police force to our country to conduct their own operations, you can imagine how that would be received within Australia and the clumsy nature of simply letting embassies know at the last minute this was about to come, without seeking consent, without seeking cooperation, without seeking any direct engagement of that fashion with the other countries is a recipe almost guaranteed to fail and certainly puts Australia at a disadvantage from the moment of announcement. Because they are more concerned with the media strategy than they are with the policy strategy. The final part and the motor vehicle bizarre part of what they've announced today is the boat buy-back scheme. They've talked about buying
going through villages and buying back fishing vessels that might be used for people smuggling. Indonesia is an archipelago. Indonesia has one of the largest fishing fleets in the world. In 2005, the food and agricultural organisation did its estimate of how many fishing vessels there were in Indonesia. The figure they came up with and they said at this point this was 2004 the figure was continuing to grow, 1998 had been the last time they'd done figures. From 98 to 04, it was continuing to grow. 726,000 fishing vessels in Indonesia. If you presume that that's increased at all, we are talking about a buy-back scheme in a market of three quarters of a million boats. Of all the mad ideas I've heard in immigration, I think boat buyback wins. The whole concept that you can deal with three quarters of a million boats, most of which are being used for poor villagers to make a likelihood and Australian officials are going to wander in and buy the boats from them and whatever pace we were to buy them, it wouldn't match the base at which new boats were then being manufactured to replace them, it is simply crazy policy. No other way of describing this. Three quarters of a billion - million boats and they reckon they know which will be used for people smuggling and they will have a boat buyback scheme. With very a situation where if you were to do t I have no doubt at it to do t I have no doubt at all
it would be great for the Indonesia and they'd be lending a hand to the ship-building industry of Indonesia in a way they're not willing to lend a hand to the car-building industry of Australia but if you look at it purely from an immigration perspective, the scale what have you're dealing with just leaves it as doomed to fail. I look at today's opposition
announcement from the opposition and I see one thing and one thing only. They know that the way to be able to deal with this is through the Papua New Guinea arrangement. They know that the key to be able to do something about people smuggling is to take away the product that is being sold and they know in particular from the video footage that was released yesterday of asylum seekers speaking in their own words about how what they paid for was no longer available, they know that the regional resettlement arrangements are what will break the back of people smuggling operations. We said at the time when we announced it they'll test our resolve for a period of time, they'll keep doing it, but on the ground now, people are registering the UNHCR, more people are going home and every time another plane lands in time another plane lands Manus Island just like another plane load landed there this morning, just like family groups landed morning, groups landed in Nauru the other day, people are realising the government is serious on this policy and increasingly people will be finding their way back home. Happy to take any questions. Going back to our own policy, you budgeted for 3,000 places at Manus Island in your economic statement but you say there's a capacity for 10,000.There is a capacity well beyond that. Where's the money for that extra 7,000 plus coming from and will it be tents or permanent structures? From two sites combined that's where you get your 3,000. In is another site not favoured by the PNG government at this stage which is the old airport site where you'd be able to get in the order of about 4,000 people but there is a site at the western end of Manus Island where if we went there and that has been identified by the PNG government and by the governor of Manus Island as a potential site that site on its own would take 10,000. At the moment I don't expect we're going to need those sites. If we need to build them we'd need to make those decisions but this is a mistake being made by some people looking at the numbers, the previous media conference made this mistake. That is believing that the number of people who arrive must match the maximum capacity of whatever the processing centre is. Unlike the old situation of where people would remain in a regional processing almost forever unless they ended up coming back to the coming back to Australia, under people get processed and then the resettlement arrangements, they get resettled. As people get processed and they get resettled. As people
are settled they leave they get resettled. As are settled centre and are settled they leave the
centre and move into the community. What matters you've got the processing community. What happening that you've got the start to move through happening system and you have happening that you have people
start to move through pace of people system and pace of people arriving and
then you pace of
system and you have a steady pace of people then you have a steady pace of people leaving. Some people will leave voluntarily in advance of a settlement determination because they know that if they actually wanted to get to Australia, the moment get to Australia, the they're settled in Papua New Guinea they no longer have a refugee claim. If they wanted any chance of being settled in Australia they'd have to go home and register with the UN to come through the refugee program. So the capacity that's required at Manus is to be able to deal with the processing as it goes through. If we had a much bigger surge than we've had so far , we would have to make decisions about increasing the capacity on Manus. (Inaudible question)If you increase capacity you have to increase funding. I'm not expecting we'd have to. But if you were to make that decision it would lost more - it could woo cost more money. There've been reports in the Papua New Guinea press about a number of other provinces not on Manus Island but elsewhere within Papua New Guinea where different governors they believe would've come forward offering sites but at this Manus
stage, we're only looking at Manus and the sites that we've got and the rate of capacity increase, when you take account of the numbers who are making inquiries about leaving, and the numbers who will find themselves being settled in coming months, means that I see no evidence that we have a capacity problem. (Inaudible question)We already have extensive work through AusAID in different ways with helping the Indonesian Government with capacity. But I think it's important that when you make announcements about capacity building in other countries, that you actually involve them in the conversation. It makes a difference to cooperation. It also makes a difference to have a policy that makes commonsense. I think you can guarantee, absolutely guarantee, that the opposition never tested the boat buyback policy with the Indonesians. You can pretty much guarantee that. Because the Indonesians know how big the fishing fleet is for their country. And you know, I used to be Fisheries Minister. I used to deal with Indonesia on it. Straightaway when I heard this, I thought you couldn't know anything about Indonesia and be promoting a policy naff nature. So in anything about capacity building we continue to work with different countries in the region but that's not something I would unilateral ly announce. I don't think it's proper to do so sand I think it's pretty patroniseing to our neighbours so think that a team of people who believe that they want to be in government in a couple of weeks' time are willing to just unilaterally make announcements about what they'll to in other people's faces without the concurrence of the other nation. Are you concerned about the latest polls showing that Labor is really flaging in key seats including the Prime Minister's?Can I tell you I'm probably in an unusual situation on this. In terms of media interest in the work that I'm doing, there's probably been no campaign where I've been more relevant. But it's also the case there's been no campaign where I've been involved in less campaigning. And the work that I've been doing has been very much logistical implementation of a policy and then making sure that I'm taking the opportunity to keep you up to date on it. From what I have seen and I'm probably more removed from this than frontbench, but from what I've than almost anyone else on the seen we have a frontbench, but from what seen we we've been the under dogs on this the whole way through and we've got some ground to make up. If the opposition keep making announcements like they've made today, then we should be able to make up that ground pretty comfortably. What they've announced today is ludicrous. (Inaudible question)The people who they're roughering to are people who as I understand it have had a negative security determination. We take the advice of security agencies very seriously mpt I haven't gone through the report in detail but if the implication of the report as I understand from the notes that I have seen on it, if the implication of that report is that we should ignore security cheernss, and put people into the community when we've been advised it's not safe to put them into the community, it's not something I would do. (Inaudible question)These are incredible difficult situations and I don't deny how difficult this one is in the sense that you have somebody who has been found to be a refugee. So therefore it is reasonable that they can't go home. At the same time you have a security determination that they shouldn't be released into the community. That does create a diabolical situation. But when making responsible decisions as be a Australian Government minister, with the implications that happened for the Australian community, I continue to back the security agencies.I'm asking you this because you were recently Environment Minister. There was an on-line survey Australians
released today of 400,000 Australians showing they're very nervous about the coal seam gas. Do you think there should be more federal oversight?Well, there was a need for more federal oversight and we changed the law to make sure that that happened. That's what the waut water trigger is. There will be a whole lot of different issues, fracking and principles like that but the core of the environmental issue has always been the impact on water, whether it be underground water or surface water. Those changes to the law were made by the Parliament earlier. Anything on further responses to that you'd have to go to Mark Butler.People are saying it's something they're really worried about. What would you say to them?We changed the law to make sure those issues get taken into account and we proved very significant funding to ensure that instead of the companies paying for their own research, there was an independent expert Scientific Committee that would conduct independent research and have that applied. If you you
have a science-based process you generally have a safe process. And unlike our political opponents we've respected the science regardless of the issue. It's looking extremely likely that Jean gold bloot will get residency? That's the woman in Western Australia? Will wait for the file to come to me. I have seen the reports about it. The reports to me have caused me to, in my instructions to the department, to say that I want a previous, I want it soon and I want them to understand that I intend to give very sympathetic consideration to this particular case. I will wait for the brief to actually come to me, but there's a formal process where the minister can either let these things go through to the keeper or you say I want to call this one in. I've decided to call it in. How quickly are you moving people to Manus? You keep saying there's capacity there but isn't this a bottleneck in Australia at the moment and isn't that putting a temporary strain on the Australian detention net work?No, no, we've - no, I don't accept that. We have fewer people that. Christmas Island that. We have fewer I became that. We have fewer people on
Christmas Island their detention Christmas Island now than when
I became their detention network numbers
to be as I became minister. You want
their to be as low as possible. That gives to gives you an ease of
management. It's a to be as low as possible. That gives management. It's a more
effective gives you an ease of
management. effective outcome for the
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Australian tax dollars as Australian tax dollars as well. That doesn't mean that they're not higher than I would like them to be. We found this with Sri Lanka. It wasn't that the first plane load of people who were sent back to Sri Lanka, that that meant suddenly the boats stopped coming directly from Sri Lanka, but it was the constant path of people who'd come, people who'd be screened out, people who would be put on a plane, they'd be sent back. It happened time and again when people weren't activating our protection obligations and the pathway of those boats directly from Sri Lanka to Australia stopped. Now , I don't believe that the correct answer and Tony Abbott keeps daring me and Scott Morrison keeps daring me to the frenzy of let's get lots of planes over and do it in a chaotic, immediate way. We don't need to do that. Everybody who arrives will end up leaving Australia. They don't like it but they know it will happen. We're making sure in an orderly way the planes keep going across. For a while they thought no family groups have gone across. Family groups are now going directly to Nauru and there will be family accommodation worked through on Manus Island but it's not of the standards that I want yet but it will all happen but it will happen in an orderly way. If I'm being dared into an alternative frenzy and I'm saying no I'm going to do it in an orderly way then I'm pretty relaxed about my role in that debate. Thank you.

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