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Good morning. Welcome to ABC News Breakfast. It's Wednesday, 14th of August f. I'm Michael RowlandAnd I'm Virginia Trioli. Our top story - the key Bombers staff have been charged over the club's supplements saga. Also ahead we will look at the Coalition's decision to preference Labor ahead of the Greens.AndAnd Tony Abbott's exuberant comments about one of his female candidates.First, the AFL has charged the Essendon Football Club and four of its officials including the senior coach James Hird with bringing the game into dis repute. The charges stem from an investigation by the Australian sports anti-doping authority into the club's supplements program.The investigation is continuing and more charges could be laid. The club has vowed to vigorously fight the charges. Andrew Dillon from the AFL says AFL has a case to answer.Our reporter Tony Nichols joins us now from Windy Hill. Good has
morning to you. None of this has come as a big surprise. How does Essendon plan on defending these charges?Good morning. No surprise at all. This is the point Jiy end of a 6-month investigation. The AFL has now had ASADA's report since the beginning of this month and Essendon plan on defending these charges vigorously.Chairman Little lilt believes that the charges are based on an interim report and an interim report only and that the club will seek natural justice for itself and these four club official s which are subject to the charges of bringing the game into dis repute, lead by coach James Hird. The club does concede that in seeking flaur justice for the club and these officials that it will be a complex process and a lengthy process but based on the and
interim nature of the report and on one of the primary findings that none of the players were found to have taken any prohibitive substances including AOD 9604, based on these mush measures this will be defended come August 26 with some vigour.Let's hear from Andrew Dillon, the AFL's legal counsel announcing that news last night?The Essendon Football Club, James Hird, Danny Corcoran, Bruce Reid and mark Thompson have been charged under the AFL rules in relation to the supplements program at the club in 2011-12.They were all charged with engaging in conduct that sun becoming or likely to brej disthe interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into dis repute, contrary to AFL rule 1.6.I've reviewed the evidence, carefully considered the matter and have om comto the view that the parties charged have a case to answer.The parties have been informed of the charges and that a hearing of the charges is scheduled to be held on August 2013 at AFL House.That was Andrew Dillon ras night, confirming that James Hird and three other club officials are to be charged. The other key element of that was is no charges are to be laid at this straij against any of the Essendon players.Correct. That was the wonderful re for the Essendon Football night. That no infraction note itsis have Essendon Football Club last
night. That itsis have been issued to night. That no infraction note Essendon players at all Essendon players that ASADA and the AFL under the WADA code that ASADA and the AFL the WADA no players were found to have the WADA code have found that taken any no players were found to taken any prohibitive
substances. taken any substances. Now, that's in substances. Now, stauding substances. Now, that's stauding the anti- obesity drug AOD stauding the anti- AOD 9604 which skipper Jobe Watson earlier this year admitted on television to Watson earlier this possibly taking or he believed he possibly taking or he did take the substance.So the he did take the the issue here going forward the issue here going is, though, this is an ongoing
investigation. is, though, this is investigation. Now, based current investigation. Now, based on
current evidence, no infraction players will notices have been issue and players notices have been issue and no future for any period of time, competition time competition time under the WADA code. But the the investigation is ongoing and the AFL council did make it clear last night that if any new information comes to night that infraction notices could be issued into the future and upon new information coming to light also new charges could s will be laid. - laid. The AFL's hopes of tidying this issue up before the September finals have been well and truly dashed: They were originally hoping this interim report could be brought forward and these charges could be issue and that would be the end of it. That is not the case. The investigation is well and truly ongoing, particularly the anti-doping stream of this investigation.And beyond August 26 there could be legal proceedings or new information coming to light.Let's hear now from Paul Little, the Essendon chairman giving his vigorous defence to those charges.Essendon takes these matters very seriously. They are based on assertions contained in an interim report from ASADA and will be intig rousely defended.It is - vigorously defend. It is appropriate that if four individuals continue to perform their roles within our reformed governance structure.To do otherwise before these matters have final ides would be to effectively impose a penalty in advance of a fair hearing and represent a denial of natural justice.Paul Little there. Tony, just wrapping justice.Paul Little Tony, just wrapping up, I
suppose the bad Tony, just suppose the bad thing for
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is there Essendon and the is there are 12 agonisingly long days now before that key AFL commission hearing to decide this matter.Yes, they certainly are. Those 12 long days, hike el, take us to just a couple of day s prior to the end of the home and away season and then we have this Essendon football club playing finals with all of this hanging over their heads. So QCs are ready, silks are ready, the likes of Julian Burnside are on hand to defend James Hird and the Essendon Football Club. The four officials charged will Tay stai in their roles, they will seek natural justice for the clubs an their ficialtion they will defend themselves at the commission come August 26 and beyond if needed.Tony, thank you.everyone has been waiting for this final - interim report to be made public in some way or the AFL's view of it to be released and yesterday was a big waiting game as we anticipated there might be something made plivenlth of course the club has been ready to go for some time. Essendon and captain Jobe Watson ieshds a statement on the Essendon website last night and it says in part - as we have said all along none of us had believed hey ed with done anything wrong with in the supplements program..He continued we have always cooperated with the investigation.He says we hope that confirms the faith of our spores that as professional sportsmen we would never do anything to compromise the integrity of the game, our team and our own veils.The curious thing in all of this and I don't know if you think I'm boiling this down too crudely is, according to the AFL, the club hasn't doped.But it's still conduct unbecoming.But even though AOD 9604 is a banned substance, no doping infraction has occurred.Against any player.You are not boiling of
down, that would jar with a lot of people.Exactly.They are too ir reconcilable positions. If this is a banned substance, surely you have doped but if you haven't doped then how is there an infraction?Andrew Dillon did leave a bit of wriggle room theying there were no infractions against the players unless further information comes to hands. There are 12 long days before that commission hearing. It's been such a volatile and fast moving story for the signature months of - eight months of this year.The issue was still open, the investigation, but no-one has confirmed there's actually any active research or active investigation going on about this. And still there's no public release of that ASADA report. So the wider public still none the wiser and as Tony mentioned without lawyers briefed at 30 base paces you can bet your bottom dollar a whole lot of thing also remain in the cupboard as well.The lawyers are packing that bottle of wine and sandwiches for the lawyers picnic which will be enjoyed down the track. No to election campaign, we're joined by Melissa Clarke from Parliament House.Good morning to you. We're expecting a very big announcement on Tony Abbott regarding preference. That is big announcement on Tony right. We understand that the Liberal Party will preference Liberal Party Labor ahead of the Greens in every single lower house seat. Now, this means that it's going to be extraordinarily hard for the Greens' Adam Bandt who holds the seat of Melbourne to retain that see. Last time, in the 2010 election, he had the benefit of being placed above Labor in the Liberals' preferences and that meant that he could take that seat from Labor for the first time.Now that we have this opposite decision from the Liberal Party, it's going to be very difficult because he will need to get at least 50% of the votes in his own right. To come out on top.And not have to rely on major party preference flows. We also know that there are a number of smaller parties on the Conservative side of politic s who have been looking at preference deals to try to swing more votes the Liberals' way as well. That is all working against the Greens. I also gives a bit more breathe ing space to a number of other ALP members including the likes of Anthony Albanese, the Deputy PM, who certainly has a very strong level of support for the Greens in his NSW seat of Grayndler. It's probably worth noting that there was a lot of backlash against the Liberals in 2010 when Adam Bandt won that seat in Melbourne. There were many who said that it was too much of a political decision for the Liberals to have chosen to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. What we saw in a by-election at a State level in Victoria subsequently in that same area, in a similar year of the seat Adam Bandthoods is the Liberal Party taking the opposite decision which meant Labor hung on to a State electorate and that was well received by the Liberal Party's grassroots members. So the Federal party following the lead of that experience earlier on.While we're speaking about Tony Abbott, how is Operation Remove Foot from Mouth going?There's a lot of work going on since that one. What we had yesterday was Tony Abbott describe one of his candidates for the seat of Lindsay, which is in Penrith, indeed who we spoke to on Monday when we were out in the set h seat of Penrith as well, Fiona Scott. He was asked to describe how her - how she compared to Jacqui Kelly, a ran back
previous Liberal candidate who ran back in 2007 - 2007. And he described them as young, feisty and with sex appeal.Now, there was a bit of nervous laughter around after that one but I think there was lot of palm to forehead for those in the Liberal Party who have been trying to address Tony Abbott's lack of popularity with women.Now what we have had subsequently is Tony Abbott try to explain why he chose those elements of his candidate as saying as why she might make a good representative for the seat of Lindsay. Let's hear his explanation later on in the day yesterday.Fiona and I have been mates for a long time. Jacqui and I have been mates for a long time.It's obvious that Fiona is a smart, hard working candidate who knows the electorate backwards and inside out. She really does. I was a bit exuberant today, a bit exuberant today, but we're all working incredibly hard to get her elected and to give Australia a better government.... describe a male candidate.As I said, she's a mate of mine, I was exuberant: She's a smart, savvy hard working candidate who knows the electorate inside out and I am really proud to be associated with her.Tony Abbott there walking back from those commentings he made earlier in the day. Some of his colleagues were drawn into this controversy as well?They were trying to defend their leader and we haven't seen the Labor Party attack as much as you might expect on this issue, when Tanya Plibersek, the Health Minister was asked about this, she demured from making too strong a mark rar ing remarks saying she wouldn't want to be described that way by her leader bit's up to individuals to make up their mind what they think of that. But Joe Hockey did leap to Tony Abbott's defence and say that in the past Tony Abbott's been pretty complementary about him in some ways.Let's hear Joe Hockey speaking on Channel Ten last night.In front of my colleagues he said I looked like the parliamentary good morning Clooney, how am I meant to take that?Look, I think - as long as to take that?Look, as long as it's not offensive, as long I think we as long as it's not I think we shouldn't be afraid
to say what we think.I reckon if he looks close enough there is a slight touch of the George Clooneys about Joe Hockey. Where are both leaders today, Mel?Tony Abbott is starting the day in Brisbane. He may well move on but not before making an announcement in a couple of hours time. So stay is
tuned for that one.Kevin Rudd is also in Queensland, not surprisingly, both leaders spening a lot of time in the crucial State. He is heading to Cairns today to make some announcements there having spent most of yesterday in Townsville.So Queenslanders you're getting a lot of attention at the moment.Yes go!
and, sadly, so many weeks to go!Thank you so much.Wouldn't be a proper Federal election without a few gaffes along the way.We like gaffs.They're crucial.Much more entertaining because it's so dry otherwise.If if technical problems allows, with might show the John Stewart's program interpretation so far of the Australian Federal election's take. It's priceless, John Oliver, who spent some time in Australia when he came out here to look at gun laws here in Australia and compare them to America has done that number and it's extremely funny. But he makes the point in this commentary any
piece that, you know, just like any other country during an election the gaffs can be counted on, people will make mistakes, they will butt their foot in their Abbott can put it right out there.He had an awful Abbott can put it there.He had an awful day
yesterday. We want to get there.He had yesterday. We want to get your
views views on this. He described Fiona Scott, who as Mel said, I interviewed in Lindsay on Monday.And you managed to resist making that observation.Yes, I did.Very nicely pointed out!What do you think about Tony Abbott using the words sex appeal to describe any candidate?It's interesting. One of the journalists there as you would have heard in that moment that we played to you said would you use that phrase to describe a male candidate? That's what it gets down to when it comes down to discrimination and sexism. Would you treat a bloke in the same way as you treat a woman.That is probably the only test that would apply. I am sure people would say whatever.You heard from Joe Hockey, as long as it doesn't offend anybody you should say what you think. There are different interpretations.And context is an important thing. Context is crucial in issues like sexual harassment as well. I am not saying this. Is it's about the case. What you say to someone who you know and trust and like and you laugh at is fine and then you say it to someone who doesn't know you or trust you and thinks what the hell are you doing and bang you've got a harassment case. Maybe they are close enough friends for him to get away with that. But I reckon I saw in that moment just that little flicker that I think a lot of women would recognise, where she laughed a bit nervously but there's a moment of - just a tiny did we have to go there? Just for a nanosecond.Coupled with the faces going to the palms of Tony Abbott's jaiz - advisers. You might have a view on the Essendon shambles issue this morning. Now in Darwin, the final touches are being made to a huge workers village on the outskirts of the city.It's designed to house thousand of workers who are helping to build a multibillion-dollar gas processing facility at Blaydon Point.This project is the result of one of the largest gas deals in Australia's history. Gas will be extracted from the Browse Basin in the Timor Sea and piped nearly 900km to a processing plant at Darwin harbour.Once construction is complete, more than 8 million tonnes offic l Liquefied Natural Gas will be produced each year for 40 years. It's been operated by Japanese resource giant Inpex and its partners and the gas is destined for the overseas market. But getting to that stage workers are needed, lots of them and this is where many will be housed with the first starting to arrive. At its peak in 2015, almost 3,500 fly-in, fly-out workers will be housinged here. Sean Kildare is the Inpex general maenk and says the project as whole is on schedule.Last week we started introducing our handfuls of more than 200 workers into the village West Indies we will bring them on progressively until now. They will be supporting the construction work force here in Darwin into slate 2007.He has - 2017.He has also moved has also moved to quash has also moved to quash the rumours that will be a pot rumours gold.With an rumours that will be a pot of gold.With an expenditure of over half a billion dollars gold.With an expenditure after construction, that is over half a billion going to capture the interests going to capture and provide the going to capture the large amount and provide large and provide the benefit to a
large amount of the Australian economy.When in late 2016, the project will provide about 19% of the gross domestic product out of the NT. Now, Ford's factory may be closing its doors but the company says it's in Australia for the long haul. Ford put on a show in Sydney yesterday wheeling out a ring of new models with much Raza mat yaz.Not celebrating are Holden workers who have voted to take a pay cut to keep their company afloat.It had all the glitz and glamour of a holewoods movie premiere:Hello, everyone, tank, Jim.Top execs from Ford's global headquarters played a role in the show.I didn't really know until we got here but you felt like a movie star. All we lacked was red carpet. We had blue.It was a spectacular minus the Falcon but featuring the SUV and the mustang.For us the future starts today and it's time to take a fresh look at a new Ford motor company here in Australia and New Zealand.Analysts say there was more to it.When Nissan left Australia several years ago, their market share dropped from 8% to 4%. Same to say we have three years of Falcon and Territory production to say we have three years to go but we have some other products coming. to go but we products coming. ThereThere was little talk Ford's recent announcement to close its remaining Australian factories in 2016 or the loss of 1,200 jobs but the company is prom itsing a new business model.R and D will stay here with development centres in Victoria guaranteeing around 1,000 positions.We have great Test facilities here, we're upgrading those. All the enabling technology, this is a centre of excellence for the creation of all the Ford products for the entire world.They will be designing cars for China or Brazil or helping with designs for the United States and Europe. They won't be made in Australia, they will be made for a global market.But made in Australia was the big issue for rival Holden.When things were good, we still had to fight for conditions now things are bad and everything has been taken.Too upset to think about it.Workers in Adelaide were visibly emotional after a vote on a deal to cut conditions and freeze wages after the company indicated it can couldn't survive without the tough measures.To keep this company going for the next 10 years they're prepared to do that. They don't like it but they wanted to vote know but they know there's the future.The swroe, now done their bit and Holden's survival will rest on a new government funding deal to be negotiated after the election.Now, it's very different looking program for you today. It's ABC News Breakfast unplugged I guess you might say because seriously we are unplugged. We have some technical difficulties this keep
morning. We will do our best to keep the show tick along as much as we can. You You might not see the bells and whistles and the interesting stuff a-la us.But there is always us. Don't undersell. We might flick the switch to vaudeville. Let's go to sport now and good morning, Steve. Not much to talk about this morning.No, not much on at all. Some there is bit quite a bit on! Let's start with the situation up at Brisbane because Paul Roos is the favourite now to take over that coaching job at Brisbane after Michael Voss's removal yesterday. Voss's five-year reign came to a pretty abrupt end yesterday when he was informed he wouldn't be at the Lions next year. He decided to leave immediately rather than coach out the rest of the season. The club played finals just once in his time as coach and is currently 13th on the ladder. Paul Roos is the clear favourite to take over after leaving the Swans three years ago.Russian Yelena Isinbayeva has her third world pole vault title. He won with a clearance of 4m and 89 in front of an extremely patriotic home crowd. You can see her leaping over. The great excitement from the biggest crowd we have seen from far from an under attended world championships and some celebration here for all you budding gymnast. American runner Leshawn Merritt has reclaimed his 400m title finger ahead of Alice Keohavong returning to the sport from a doping band. Ethiopian Mohammad Aman won the 8 00m title while German Robert Harte ing took gold in the MS discus. Zoe Buckman is the first to qualify this morning.The one-off test between Australia and England in the women's side is in the balance after three days at Wormsley. Heather Knight's 157, helped England to recover to dispoliced for 314 and that is
just dispoliced for 314 just 17 runs behind Australia's first innings just 17 runs behind first innings total. At stumps first Australia was first innings total. At Australia was 1/64 in Australia was 1/64 seconds Australia was 1/64 in its
seconds innings leading by 81 runs seconds innings leading by runs with nine wickets in hand.But, suffice hand.But, locally, most attention is hand.But, suffice to say, locally, most attention is on
Michael Voss locally, most attention is Michael Voss in the AFL world Michael and also in the AFL world Michael Voss in the AFL and also in the AFL world and
bigger than that and also in bigger than that really is the bigger than Essendon situation.You've bigger than that really is buried the lead this morning.That was at the top!.I guess you can't mention it enough because it's been waited on for so long, it's been kept so secret, it goes right to the heart of the right to the heart of credibility of the AFL's anti-doping schedule and rules, and I don't think anyone's the wiser today after these infractions have been given out to a couple of senior members of tes don Football Club but it's onlt in relation to bringing the game into dis repute. How did they bring the game into dis repute?To me they've got them on the Switkowski report.What does that mean?The Switkowski report meaning the governance and the one that Ziggy Switkowski did when it came out Essendon's only internal report into the governance where he revealed what he terms a farm logical experiment al project where the checks and balances were not in control.But it wasn't doping?Well, it's not proved doping. I think that is the problem.No, they don't seem to have proved anything.Doping wise.But this anti- obesity drug is banned by WADA.But to say that's been a grey area over the journey has been an understatement. There's been an flicts statement s from the ACC and ASADA and WADA clarified that a couple of months in by saying even though it is not on this S 2 cat dwri it's on the S 0 category. That seemed to get lost in amongst some of the expertses in the early stages of this. This is not a close case, it's an interim report, WADA has been known in the past to say we're not happy with those sanctions. So there could be a lot more to play out. But it seems at this point that the AFL has acted on something that it had a couple of - at least a couple of weeks ago and probably knew in fairness way that fairness way back in February 7 that you've got the Essendon
hierarchy and they've lost control of what is going hierarchy control of what is going on at their own football club and there are practices that they don't like at all with this offsite injection s and the club's bosses offsite injection s club's bosses holding their
hands up saying we don't know what is going into our players.It's surprising to me the decision by Essendon to keep James Hird and the other officials in their jobs.Um, I don't think it's surprising.Way back in February 7, James Hird made that statement I am responsible for everything that goes on the football department and I know they're contesting the charges.But hasn't the narrative changed since then from James Hird?Hird's position has jumped all over the place. First of all it was the hastily convened press conference I am shocked and horrified to be silting here. Then the '7:30' had those - obtain ed the text messages that seemed to show he was very aware of a supplements program that was going on. Then we have the show of defiance. We've done nothing wrong and no case to answer. So he's been all over the shop.Seven stages of grief really.I don't know where we end up.We watched Mark Thompson yesterday when he was speaking on Fox Sports the day before and they seem ohave taken the position that even by standing down there's a great admission of guilt and that they will never then clear their names. Obviously their legal advice is stands your grounds, you really can dig your way out of this. Obviously we have a 10-11-day period between now and the scheduled day of the commission hearing which can be put that, we saw that with the Melbourne one as well and the Adelaide one before that. There will be obviously cutting some deals behind the seens so - scenes so they can come out with a presumably united front. There is some movement scope here. You could even look at suspended bans, maybe Essendon will consider maybe Hird and Thompson will consider accepting a suspended ban for bringing the game into dis repute. Essendon even with Paul Little now the new chairman they do admit they did do things wrong.But their admission now is really about oversight.That we didn't keep an eye on what was going on with this program.A lot of checks an balances.And that is a procedural thing.I am none the wiser, thank you.I don't think anyone is.That is the problem.But I think one thing that Essendon would certain ly accept would probably be a big fine because they are one of the wealthier clubs.The head of the AFL Andrew Demetriou has a regular spot where he turns up on ABC local radio in Melbourne each Friday morning and through thick and thin he's always been there. So is he going to be there Friday morning and how much will they get out of him when he turns up?And we will talk to Gerard Whately in 2 next hour as well.We are indeed.And Michael Voss of course.Thank you.Now ABC News Breakfast can be WAFFed live on the web.Just visit the main ABC News website and you can stream us live which is good to see on a technically difficult morning like today. Does that mean everything is working again!We're work baby.Keep pedaling.Oops!Vanessa is here with the weather now. Good morning.Just don't break the studio! We need to baton down the hatches in the south-east. We have another one of these fast moving cold fronts pushing very gusty winds into the south-east. A stronger front will cross the bight on Friday and then we will have a deep low pressure system approaching the area on Saturday.For Queensland today, you have a warm day ahead.Brisbane is enjoying the Ekka enjoying the Ekka public holiday. If you are heading to the show it should be fine. There could be a shower or two this afternoon or evening.

Lots more to come on the program. Tim Wilson from the Institute of public affair also join us for a look at the morning's newspapers an we will find out more about the shock de part ure of Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss. We still have the technical problems as you can see. We're just hacking on here by the finger nails. David guns burg has sweeted tbeetd ed in - don't worry, you two are all we need. Perhaps you could sing and tell jokes to fill in time. It will get those mornings
that bad!It's already one of those mornings because when I said that brief glimmer of hope where we had tapes and pictures starting, I said we're back, baby. As we're back on air.Say it properly.We're back baby and I think I might have done a fist pump and Chris re replied saying, 'We're back, Baby,' Was a bit sexist. I take it back. I was a bit exuberant.This one says - get some costumes and get people to dress up as relevant people. Can I do them all!I do a good Buzz Lightyear.Alright.To infinity and beyond. But relevance, first, let's get to the serious stuff and how did it come to this? The Essendon storm began last February when the club self-reported to the AFL and ASADA saying it had concerns about the sport's program implemented by Stephen Dank.Reporter Jean Edwards looks at how this unfolded.Rumours had been swirls around Essendon for months, and in February the bombshell finally dropped.My understanding is we worked within the framework that was given to us by the AFL and by WADA.I am shocked to be sitting here really.Reporting themselves to Australia's anti-doping authority, the Bombers must have been ruing the season's marketing slogan.We can beat anyone as long as we do whatever it
takes. Do long as we do whatever takes.Days later the country's takes.Days later top sporting codes were rocked by revelation s that a national crim Commission report had uncovered widespread performance enhancing drug use.A finding are shocking and they will disgust Australian sports fans.Essendon suss #3e7bd its high performance coach Dean Robinson and pointed the finger at the team's former sports scientist Dank but he says he didn't work alone.Certainly there was a collective involvement. It Wa wasn't just Stephen Dank even though he managed the program. There was very significant involvement from Dean as the high performance manager but in saying that there was always detailed discussion with the head coach James Hird.Hisle gaetions about improper practices continued to mount. James Hird became increasingly defiant.The truth comes out I thinkly be in a very, very good position and so will this foob club.But management failings were expose ed in May when a damning club commission report found a farmo logical experiment lad been allowed to flourish.This San uncomfortable report and it probably should be. An uncomfortable report for the Football Club.It cost the club's chief executive Ian Robson his job but it was an un expected and candid confession from the captain and Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson that set the story alight. He said he had been administered abanti- obesity drug that he thought was legal at the signed the consent form and my understanding after signed the consent form understanding after it being given through brew Reid and the club that I was receiving AOD 9604.From club that I 9604.From there, the rumour mill and leaks to journalists want into overdrive, providing a constant stream of often conflicting claims. The club's exhausted chairman David Evans physically buckled under the pressure and resigned leaving Hird third last man standing. Now a reporter Tony Nichols joins us from Windy Hill, the home of the bombers. Good morning.Now, none of this has come as a big surprise. How does Essendon plan on defending these charges?Good morning. None of this does come as surprise. We have been waiting for this now for some six months these potential charges. Certainly all day yesterday here at Windy Hill we expect the charges all day at AFL House. But they came early last night at around 7:30 night. AFL general Council addressed the media at AFL House making it clear the Essendon Football Club will be charged or has been charged with bringing the game into dis repute along with four key officials, who were potentially over seeing thissers frommial supplements program that ran between 2011 and 2012 here at Windy Hill. Those officials being coach James Hird, football manager Dani Corcoran, veteran long-term coach here doctor here at the club Bruce Reid and senior assistant coach Bomber Thompson, former Geelong premiership winning coach.Now the Essendon Football Club has come out to say that it will defend these charges vigorously and it will seek natural justice for the club. It's highlighted that the report is interim in its nature and on that basis it will seek natural justice for the club. Paul Little in a statement on bombers web television last night made it clear the supplements program was unruly in nature. I did lack governance in part. The club's internal review earlier this year led by former Telstra chief certainly made those rules on behalf of the club. Paul Little made it clear that the govern ance has changed here at the club, that interim in nature and the charge s will be defended. The four officials subject to the charges won't be standing down.Here is the AFL's general counsel Andrew Dillon addressing the media last night.The Essendon Football Club, James Hird, Danny Corcoran, Bruce Reid and Mark Thompson, have been charged under the AFL rules in relation to the supplements program at the club in 2011-12.They were all charged wen gauging in conduct that is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into dis repute, contrary to AFL rule 1.6. I've evidence, carefully considered the matter and have come to the view that the parties charged have a case view have parties have been informed of the parties have been the charges and that a hearing
of the charges is scheduled to be held on be held on 26 August 2013 at AFL House.AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon. There let's hear from Paul Little from the Essendon Football Club now.Essendon takes these matters very seriously. They are based on assertions contained in an interim report from ASADA and will be vigorously defended.It is appropriate that the four individuals continue to perform their roles within our reformed governance structure.To do otherwise before verse finalised would be to effectively impose a penalty in advance of a fair hearing and represent a denial of natural justice.Given that we know that QCs have been briefed on both sides in this matter it looks like the AFL's plans to clear this up before the final s have now well and truly failed.They certainly have. Yes, the AFL Commission will meet next August 26, the Essendon Football Club and these four official also have the opportunity to defend themselves against these charges. If they do so unsuccessfully, penalties could be brought down which could be the loss of premiership points, it could be the loss of draft picks, suspensions and heavy fines for those subject to these charges.So this issue certainly hasn't been cleared up before the finals at all.The commission will meet just days before the final home and away round meets in August 26.And this issue could go on for some time.Good to talk to you, thank you so much.Let's go from football to politics and we're joined by Melissa Clarke at Parliament House in Canberra.Mel, good morning. Firstly we expecting a pretty important announcement some time today from Tony Abbott on preferences flows.This is one that has been carefully watched by those interested in the polls because it could make or break the future political careers of others. We are expecting Tony Abbott to announce today that the Liberal Party will be prfrnsing Labor ahead of the Greens in all lower house seats. Now, what this means is that it's going to be extraordinarily hard for the Green s member for Melbourne Adam Bandt to hang on to his seat because, when he managed to claw that seat from Labor for the first time at the last election, he did so with the benefit of Liberal preferences, with Liberals putting the greens above Labor on their preference list. Now, Bandt is well aware that this might have been coming, given that in a recent State by-election in an year that covers in a seat in Victoria that covers pretty much the same geographic area, the Liberal Party decided what to do what we're expecting - preference Labor ahead of the Greens and see that in ALP hands. This is good news for Cath Bowtell, the in ALP hands. This is good for Cath Bowtell, the Labor
candidate for the seat in ALP hands. This is good news
for Cath candidate for the seat of
Melbourne who is running against Adam Bandt.And also good news for a few other Labor MPs that have growing Greens support in their seats, in particular the Deputy PM Anthony Albanese, and his Sydney seat of Grayndler has a very high proportion of Green voters. Th gives a bit mover breathing room to the likes of him too.Let's go to the controversy which swirling around - swirled around Tony Abbott yesterday when he paid a campaign visit to the is the seat of lind ray say where we were on Monday.He was asked to compare Fiona Scott with a previous Liberal candate Jackie Kelly who unsuccessfully ran in 2007 and was caught up in a scandal then:But Tony Abbott was asked to compare the two in what was an open question to promote his local candidate in Fiona Scott. The descriptions he came up with of what was good about both of those MPs or both of those potential MPs was that they were young, they were feisty and that they had sex appeal.Now, that didn't go down very well, not surprisingly, it drew some nervous laughter from the crowd there but much criticism more broadly. Tony Abbott subsequently tried to give an explanation of why he chose those attributes to highlight at a latest - later event in the day. Let's hear him now.Fiona and I have been mates for a long time. Jackie and I have been mates for a long time.It's obvious that Fiona is a smart, hard working candidate who knows the electorate backwards and inside out. She really does. I was a bit exuberant today. A bit exuberant today. But we're all working incredibly hard to get her elected and to give Australia a better similar
government.Do bould you use similar words to describe a male candidate?As I said, she's mate of mine, I was exuberant. She is a smart, savvy hard working candidate who knows the electorate inside out and I'm really proud to be associated with her.Tony Abbott there. Furious Loy back pedaling last night. Some of his colleagues were also drawn into this?They were seen to defend Tony Abbott as they would need to in these circumstances. It would be of great frustration to the Liberal Party that this comment was made and has received so much attention because they have been working very hard to try and overcome Tony Abbott's unpopularity with women. He has never polled as well in terms of support from women as he has with men. Previous comments have certainly caused a stir when we talk about things such as preferences to doing the ironing and various comments in relation to abortion in the past mean that it has been a priority for Coalition in this election to avoid remarks like this one.Joe Hockey, the Shadow Treasurer, though, wanted to give a bit of support to his leader when he was asked about night.In front of my about this on Channel 10 last colleagues he said I looked night.In front of like the colleagues he said I like the parliamentary joorj
Clooney! like the Clooney! How How am I meant Clooney! How George cloony. How am I meant to take that? Tony, Tony - look, as long as it's Tony, Tony it's not offensive we shouldn't be afraid to say what we it's not offensive we think.Come on, be afraid to think.Come on, Mel, you can
see the & bit of George Clooney in Joe Hockeyks aren't you? in Joe Hockeyks aren't I.I think the lesson from all of us is we should stick with some of the other dis crept or, smart and safry and knows his electorate well might be the phrases we should stick with at this point.You would make a perfect politician, Mel! She's been around far too long:Nice, diplomatic political answer there. Well done.You are watching ABC News Breakfast, glad you could join us this morning on a morning where we're beset by technical glitches but what usually work s pretty well even when the buttons don't work are people. So I'm delighted that join us on the couch is Tim Willson from the Institute of public affairs because he thefr breaks down.Don't you go break down on us?Have you been charged this morning?Not that I'm aware of. I am always paufrnd prime to go. What is on the front page of the 'Australian' but of course the PEFO, the economic forecast from the Treasury, are resulting from the election being called and it showed they're taking a whole bunch of bets each way. They are saying these are the underlying numbers but we also think think there is a real wrong, there could
prospect the numbers could be wrong, there could be revenue writedowns of another $30 billion a year, the economic growth could not be in the vicinity of 3.5% but only 1.75%. Carbon tax revenue could be less. Now all political parties are flying blind and have no idea what the state of -They're scenarios, though, to be fair they are scenario, alternative scenarios:That is true. But I do think they're very vulnerable at the moment because of past economic forecasts an budgets which haven't resulted in the numbers anywhere near what the Treasury forecast they're being more cautious probably than usual.Probably the most scenario s are particularly positive.They're not that great.There's various version of bad.That means that in one sense the pressure is on the political parties because now they have to actually say this is how we will be able to fund things but at the this is how we will fund things but at the same
time fund things but time it takes a huge burden off them whoever gets elected. The Treasury base said they weren't not sure what it would be.We have a rule on ABC News Breakfast, no newt noets.OK.You are smart people.Besides technical problems don't allow! Let's look at page 1 of 'The Daily Telegraph' and you a different story you quantity to look at 'The Daily Telegraph'. Are we able to get those up this morning. One that we like is this one, the female Aussie cricket team doing so -Bless.That is a nice photograph.It's a great story. These cricketers have been doing so well, all we've been talking about are the blokes and they've been failing. This to me has the greatest sexism than any comment about sex appeal and when the blokes fail they make it on the front page - because anyway failed that's why the women make it on the front page. Do they make it on the front page in their own right. I guess even 'The Daily Telegraph' would take the point because they made the point in the banner to say the blokes are fail ing but look at these lot.But you want to talk about something else.The text bit which is about the Liberal-National Coalition has decided they're going to direct preferences too the Greens last at the Federal election, presumably that is both lower house and upper house seats. That bring s into play a series of seats like Melbourne which is neighbouring to where the studio is and where whether bant bapt bant is elected and Anthony Albanese. I will also give some confident to Labor cannedicates in the inner cities of Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, where they're at threat.Fill sof ically they had nowhere else to go on this. After all the rhetoric of the Greens in the hung parliament, the LNP or the Liberal Party had to go this way.That is a practical versus versus philosophical. But in practice I think you're right. But philosophically there's a huge divide between the Liberal Party and the Greens - there is also a big philosophical divide between Labor and Liberal. But this was done in the State election and it's not surprising they would do it. But it's surprising they declare their hand so declare their hand early.They can wait until the last early.They can last day and it might save them a lot of money in those seats campaigning.The Liberal vote in Melbourne has been increasing slightly , the demographic of that seat has changed more than a little bit.Same in Sydney.So there is sort of this part of 2 vote that will be very interesting because it can go to the wire between Greens and Labor.It is and Adam Bandt had a poll recently saying I am home and hosed. I am not as optimistic for him as he probably is. But she trying to put on a rosy face and build momentum.Don't you try to bill yourself as the underdog?Not in his case.There's a campaign office opening that involve add fair bit of grog.What is unusual about that?In the Fairfax world we're only allow a bit of burnt toast and a glass of water to celebrate things. There's a story about a candidate who some people might say have sex a I peel as well.We wouldn't.ThatThat is very unkinds:We are not saying they don't: We just wouldn't say they did.He is smart and savvy.Kevin eken dale, the Liberal candidate for Melbourne Ports which is the seat we're current ly in, and apparently in a 96-second video he had something like 30 pictures of booze in a video of his campaign launch. But as he described he said I didn't do the video but I think they used a bit of creative licence. you can't show a couple of you glasses of champagne and a few people holdsing beer, I am not glasses of champagne and a sure what the big deal really is.We're just out of time. Let's go to Tony Abbott's bad day yesterday. What did you make of the comment?I thought it was the big non-event beat-up.Tell us what you really think.The campaign is very boring because we all know where the parties stand, they have been fighting for three year and there's been clutching of straws on both sides trying to drag something that Kevin Rudd that considered is faux pas or otherwise.Abbott drop ing a bloond bomb shell is something I will give the headline writer.What is wrong in your view - what is right in your view with what Tony Abbott said?I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I find she has much sex appeal but I am gay but that is not a good contest text. I don't see them as any big deal. Everyone compares about people not being honourable nest politics and yet anyone who says anything remotely where anyone can be aoh fended from both sides all of a sudden we jump on them and I looked it and said it's all overhyped.Would you say the same thing if it was Kevin Rudd saying the same thing?I don't think it's about a big deal. It's like the same thing Tony Abbott said about suppository but it move on. These are not the things that govern the nation and if things that matter.That sounds familiar.Let's leave that right now.Let's see what our viewers make of that this morning. Thank you so much.Here is Steve Pearce joining us for today's sport and lease a heck of a lot to talk about.Yes, aside from the Essendon saga we've been hear ing about, Roos is the favourite to take over the coaching job up at Brisbane after Michael Voss's removal yesterday.Voss's five-year reign came to a pretty abrupt end yesterday when he was informed he would not be at the Lions next year. He decide ed to leave immediately rather than coach out the Rist of the AFL season. The Paul Roos is the favourite to take over that role.Now, a reporter Jen Huxley is in Brisbane to give us the very latest on the reaction I suppose this morning and looking a head to what the next 24 hours might hold. Morning, Jen.G'day. Steve. How are you going?Very well. What is the feeling up in Brisbane? I am assuming that very few people saw this coming?An absolute shock from all fronts. The Lions held their royal gala auction last night and we're hearing reports that the club chairman was actually speaking there last night and that was Angus Johnson. Apparently he was heckled from the crowd when he was explaining it was a difficult decision. There were actually calls from the crowd saying, 'Sack the board.' So it's a shock on all fronts. Michael Voss didn't speak to the media yesterday but one of the commercial stations caught him out of the front of his house and he looked like a man in shock too. He said all he knows is today he won't be going to work. The officially speaking to the going to work. The club will be media at midday hope to media at hope to get a few more details
then.What media at midday today so we
hope to of what the club then.What is the of what the club might say? of what It's been reported that the club has It's been club Paul Roos and rather bizarrely saying Paul Roos that Michael Voss was saying that telling Paul Roos that conversation. What is the sense object what that conversation. What sense object what might
transpire?I guess that conversation. What is the
sense object what transpire?I guess it's all just reportedly stuff at the just moment but we are just reportedly stuff at moment but we are hearing the triggers moment but we triggers too were of course
they didn't want to moment but we are hearing the triggers they didn't want to miss the
chance to triggers too were of course
they didn't chance to get Paul Roos.What a catch I guess formally that the Fitzroy connection there. There's definitely the Lions loyalty with him. But there's also been quite a few of the Lions players who are talk about wanting to head south and so there's the sense that this needed to happen, the axe needed to fall before the the end of the season before Voss's contract actually finished. So still a lot up in the air and I think we just expecting to hear more of the same from the club that it was a difficult decision, that it had to happen over five years. Vossy hasn't delivered what they had hoped.It certainly seems the axe fell fairly quickly when it did come. Thank you for joining us this morning:Jen Huxley joining us from Brisbane with Michael Voss and Essendon, it's all AFLLet's go to if Beth weather now.Despite the jet stream over central Australia it will be a dry day but there is this big band of cloud that is crossing the south-east with an associated cold front, causing gusty winds and storms from SA all the way up to the southern areas of NSW. We will have an even stronger front crossing the bight on Friday and a deep low pressure system forming near Tasmania on Sunday.For Queensland -

Welcome back to ABC News Breakfast. Good morning. I'm Michael RowlandAnd I'm Virginia Trioli. This morning Essendon remaining defiant. The AFL has charged the club and four of its officials over its supplements program but supplements program but the bombers say they won't roll over without a fight.We will look at what happens next and then we will chat to Finance Minister Penny Wong in the wake of the economic updates.& and how about the awkward first datesAnd you work for?ASIO, counter-terrorism. What do you do?Well... I... am -Yeah?A... dentist.Comedian Peter Helliar explores the hit fall falls of Dating in his comedy series 'It's A Date', we will meet him in a lilt while. But first the AFL has charged the Essendon Football Club and four of its officials including senior coach James Hird with repute. The
bringing the game into dis repute. The charges stem there an investigation by the Australian sports anti-doping authority into the club's supplements program.The investigation is continuing and more charges could be plaid laid. The club has vow ed to vigorous ly fight the charges. Dillon from the AFL says Essendon definitely has a Tais to answer.The Essendon football club, James Hird, Danny Corcoran, Bruce Reid and Mark Thompson have been charged under the AFL rules for the supplements program at the club in 2001-12. They were all charged with conduct that sun becoming or likely to prejudice the interest of the interest s of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into dis repute, contrary to AFL rule 1.6. I have reviewed the evidence, carefully considered the matter and have come to the view that the fathers charged have a case to answer. The parties have been informed of the charges. And that a hear of the charges is scheduled to be held on 26 August 2013 at AFL House.AFL counsel Andrew Dillon there. Tony Nick counsel Andrew Tony Nick ols joins us now from Windy Tony Nick ols joins us Windy Hill. Now we were anticipating something being announced so that doesn't come as a big surprise. announced so that as a big surprise. But no-one's been charged with doping.No, critically no-one has been charged with doping so that is a wonderful refreef tes don Football Club as a result of this interim ASADA AFL report.No Essendon football player has been charged with breaching any anti-doping rule, no Essendon Football Club has been charged with taking any prohibitive substance. That is despite skipper Jobe Watson admit ing earlier in the year h he believed he did take AOD 9604, which is a failed anti- obesity drug which is said to help some players with their recovery from matches and downside
training skt but on the downside for the Essendon Football Club, the club itself and four of its most senior officials have been charged with bringing the game into dis repute or conduct unbecoming. Now, these charges could lead to the club losing premiership points draft pick, these officials being suspended or the club indeed being fined. Now, the Essendon chairman Paul Little hit Bombers television not long after the AFL laid down the charges. This is some of what he had to say.Essendon takes these matters very seriously. They are based on & assertions contained in an interim report from ASADA and will be vigorously defended. It is appropriate that the four individuals continue to perform their roles within our reformed governance structure.To do otherwise before these matters have final Lizzed would be to effectively impose a penalty in advance of a fair hearing and represent a denial of natural justice.Paul Little there. Now the Essendon players, the Essendon senior team, they're going to vigorously defend these charges even though when you look at them in context they probably are the least be
troublesome charges that could be laid against members of Essendon.They certainly are the least troublesome charges because, as it stands with evidence right now, if no players have breached anti-doping rule violation codes under the WADA or ASADA codes, as evidence stands right now no players can be banned from competition time, no infraction notices have been issued to players an the worst possible penalty obviously would be doping penalties which could lead to 246 year bans. Bringing the - 2-year bans. Bringing the game into dis repute for the team could be harmful, lose ing premiership points an loo ch dro p dropping out of the finals series. The investigation is ongoing. We're dealing with an interim ASADA report. The anti-doping stream of the investigation continues and the AFL made it clear with the General counsel last night in their address to the media that, if any new information comes to light, infraction notices could be issued and new charges could be laid. So while whilst the AFL Commission meets on August 26 to look at these charge s of bringing the game into dis repute, as the investigation continues, more charges could be word from the layer charges could be laid.And word from the layer players word from the overnight?Most word from the layer players overnight?Most certainly. Skipper Jobe Watson issued a
statement

behalf of statement early last night on behalf of the players.
Expressing great behalf of the none of the players have Expressing none of the players have been charged obviously.Making it clear this playing group would never bring the game into dis repute, would never affect would never affect the professionalism of the sport of the AFL and he said that he felt vindicated and that he knew all along the players didn't do anything wrong and he expressed great thanks for the support that the club, the club some 56,000 members are giving this playing group and the strength that it's giving them. He also conceded that this whole saga is affecting the group, it's affecting them on the track at the moment and of course they're facing off in the finals very soon. They played very well this year considering the pressure and let's see what happens some August 26.Tony Nichols, thank you for that report.We can share with you now some of Jobe Watson's statement that Tony Nichols was referring to. He said in part as we've said all along -

I guess that indicates that
we we don't actually have very severe infractions notices that have been given against severe infractions notices have been given against the
members of Essendon for them to speak in this term, we speak in this term, we feel vindicated this is a great outcome. Clearly this is a minor infraction, isn't it, to bring the game into dis repute when you think of what they could have been charged. WithIn term of doping with illegal substances. In fact, the AFL has left a bit of wriggle room saying there are no charges against players at this stage but is willing to reconsider it if further information comes to hand. Let's look at the other story that is still causing shock waves around the country and that was the comments the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott made when he paid a campaign visit to the seat of Lindsay. That was the seat I was at on Monday in Western Sydney. He was campaigning with the Liberal candidate there Fiona Scott and he said, essentially, describes her as young, feisty and had sex appeal. Those comments have really set off a fire form storm.They have. Some people are saying it's no big deal. Others have become far too politically correct in their language, get over it.If you missed the grab or if you want to refresh your memory I think we can will have a look at it now.They're young, they're feisty, I think I can probably say have a bit of sex appeal.Yep and the reaction there I think from Fiona Scott was an interesting one as well. A lot apparent Prix Li from the press corps there nervous laughter. Richard says what he's done effectively is the equivalent of me sexually harassing a work colleague in front of customers. HR would call and deb is saying already the blokes are jumping to tell the little women woe're overreacting. It is not a qualification for an important job:Karen, he is creeping, totally inappropriate thing to saicht Daniel - big deal, get over itTony - get over it. There's more important things to campaign on.We're canvassing your views on - the ASADA report. I don't know if you're any better informed this morning as a result of what the AFL has decided to tell you. And as a result of what Essendon has decided to tell you. Nothing that you can decide for yourself because those primary documents are not available to us.Probably won't be for some time.I would love to hear if wha you think of that and whether it makes any sense to you that a band substance was administered but there is no doping infraction and there's no doping infraction and yet there are opinion punishment s to be Lev writed. The game has been brought into dis repute and can't
there's been no doping.Why can't you work that out?I'm a little slow this morning.It seems to come down to, then, according to what Steve Pearce was saying earlier about the earlier report - an injections program. That has brought the game into dis repute. But is it because the fact they were injected problematic. So what is because the substances problematic. So what is the problem?You're reading between the lines it was Essendon problem?You're reading the lines it was Essendon not observing the right checks and balances, ticking the right box, the duty of care, not observing proper duty of care o who were subjected to - or willingly took part in this injections program.No-one is saying there was any problem anyway.Let's move on now. Back to the election campaign and for more on Tony Abbott's comments we're joined now by, she's young, she's feisty, perhapsly stop there. Good morning, Melissa Clarke .He's playing fast and loose today.There's a line there and Michael is having fun with it!.I should mention, yes, folks that was a joke.Melissa, these comments areThese comments caused a big stir for the abat campaign yesterday and through to last night?They have and it's because Tony Abbott has certainly made remarks in the past that have caused similar concern. The Coalition has been very mindful of the fact that Tony Abbott is not the most popular leader with female voters and comments in the past about women who are doing the ironing, about physiological ability of women to have leadership qualities and remarks about abortion are all things that the Coalition at this
doesn't want voters reminded of at this time. It would seem that Tony Abbott's comments yesterday as we heard just a little earlier in the program will inevitably have the effect of doing just that. Now, Tony Abbott later in the day when realising just how much attention his commentses were getting sought to give an explanation of sorts as to why he chose those phrases to describe his female party candidates.Fiona and have been mates for a long time. Jackie and I have been mates for a long that Fiona is a smart, that Fiona is a smart, hard working candidate who knows the electorate backwards and inside out. She really does. Now, I was a bit exuberant today. A bit exuberant today. But we're all working incredibly hard to get her elected and to give Australia a better Government.Would you use similar words to describe a male candidate? JAs I said she's a mate of mine, I was xub rants. She is a smart, savvy, hard working candidate who knows the electorate inside out and I'm really proud to be soermented with her.That was - associated with her.That was Tony Abbott in damage control last night. Some of of his colleagues were also drawn to this, weren't they?They have come to defend their leaders a and refer to the fact they feel correctness has
that perhaps political correctness has gone too far. It can be a difficult one to make. They know as I said before that this has been an issue with Tony Abbott and how voters view him.And Tony Abbott's not afraid of making the occasional crude joke on air as well which we have seen over the course of the campaign. But Joe Hockey, the Shadow Treasurer did leap to his defence on Channel Ten last night:InIn front of my colleagues he said I looked like the parliamentary joorj Clooney. How am - George cloon write. How am I meant to take that?Tony, Tony - look, as long as it's not 50 oh fencive I think we shouldn't be afraid to say what we think.To which I leave the sense to roller Derby mum - if Tony Abbott think s he looks like George Clooney, he is decolluded. We're expecting a pretty important and far reaching announcement today on preferences from Tony Abbott.We expect the Liberal also announce today they are going to preference Labor ahid of the Greens in every single lower house seat in the country. Now, this is particularly crucial in a handful of seats and most notably the seat of Melbourne which is held by the Green s MP Adam Bandt, the first and only Greens lower house MP.It will make his hanging on to that seat very, very very difficult. Last time when he got elected at the last election, the Liberals had preferenced the Greens ahead of Labor which gave him a huge boost in ousting Labor in that seat. Now the Liberals are set to change that preference flow, it means Adam Bandt has to have a much higher primary vote and also hopefully from his point of view secure preference flows from other minor parties in We
order to hang on to that seat. We know that there have been a number of Victorian parties and individuals on the more Conservative side of politics who are looking at how they can work their preference flows to try and ensure the Greens don't hang on to their seats. So there's a lot of elements lining up against Adam Bandt hanging on to that seat. I bodes well for Cath Bowtell, the ALP candidate for Melbourne. But it also brings a bit of relief for some other Stitt sitting Labor MP, the likings of, say, Anthony Albanese, who would be expected to retain his seat but nonetheless has to retain his seat in Grayndler but nonetheless has seen a
gradual but nonetheless has gradual but very steady indisease Creece in the level gradual but very of Greens support in indisease Creece in the as have of Greens as have a number of other ALP members as have a number of other members in inner city areas. That gives them a little more breathing room. I do think it breathing room. I is worth mentioning that the Liberals may well thei