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It was a foggy start to the day
in Sydney's western suburbs with even some frost
in the outer west. Northerly winds resulted
in a mild July day.

Overnight stayed fine and cold, Overnight stayed fine and cold. There was some high cloud about
today but it didn't lead to any rainfall.

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I'm Mark Ferguson. Now here is Melissa Doyle
with 'Sunday Night'. This program is captioned live. MELISSA DOYLE: Tonight...
We're gonna have some fun! ..Charlie Teo's...
You're going to love this. ..life-saving mission.
These are beautiful creatures. Going extinct. Through corporate greed. I find it quite obscene, really. This is not brain surgery. She's beautiful. His very personal...
We've got to work together. You have to try. She likes you. Help me save the orangutans. ..and very confronting story. My wife was diagnosed
with breast cancer. She's been incredibly courageous. But, there is hope. Plus... MAN: They shall cast out devils. MAN: (PREACHES) I believe it can
free the very spirit from the body! They shall speak in new tongues. (YELLS) I said,
"God, still hear it!" They shall take up serpents. ..the cult-like religion... In them boxes truly lies death. ..few outsiders ever get to see. Going crazy. It's like playing Russian roulette. Take up serpent! It's a deadly religion. You know,
that's the way I'm going to die. If you don't believe,
then don't go near the box. Hello and welcome to Sunday Night. I'm Melissa Doyle, filling in for Chris Bath,
who's taking a short break. Also tonight - the man
who wears sunglasses on his head.

I can tell you
what will make you look thinner. What's with the sunglasses? I'll take them off. I'm just playing around now. I'm not the blokiest bloke
on the block, come on. He likes women. She looks like a wild pig. I'm baring my soul a little bit you. How proud would he be? He was proud every day of his life. It is about the Cinderella
moment. It's good, right? It is good.

Alex Perry's designing genius
a little later. But first tonight, the strange and
lethal world of the snake preachers. What these serpent-handling pastors
do in the name of the Lord is seldom seen and rarely filmed. Prepare to be amazed. This deadly obsession
has to be seen to be believed. Here's PJ Madam.

MAN: (PREACHES)
I want you to come on, get in, sing, don't stop, get up and get in. How many's ready for a good time
with the Lord tonight? (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) How many's ready
to have church tonight? It's like playing Russian roulette.
Somebody's gonna to die.

They call it religion. It's been branded a cult. MAN: Can you say amen? The lethal sect of the snake... Ooh, I believe it can free
the very spirit from the... ..fire and poisonous snakes
handled in the name of God. I said, "God still hear it!" The serpent lays his fangs
into me tonight, it's God's time for us to die. (SONG) # My evil way... # It all comes down to one line
in the Bible.

These people believe that these
are the words of the risen Christ. (HISSING SOUND) (BANJO PLAYS) Howdy!

I'm in LaFollette, in Tennessee, deep in the Bible Belt
of America's South. I've come to meet some of the people who pick up snakes
in the name of God. There are about 125 churches
that practise snake handling, but very few open their doors
to the media. Thank you, thank you, Jesus. When I first saw it,
when I was 17, the pastor goes over to a box and
pulls out two large timber rattlers. They didn't try to bite him,
they never tried to strike him. It was just like holding
a puppy dog. (SINGS) # Thank you, Lord,
for one more day. # I was sceptical about it, but I knew
there was something behind it. Not tonight, big 'un. You know, I said, "OK, God,
move on me and let me do it." I was desiring to do that. This is what I do
when I get 'em ready. I just sort of meditate,
saying, "Feel good", you know. The Lord begin to move greatly and
I step down to where the box was at, I lift the lid,
I reached past the first two, I got the biggest one out,
I cradled it in my arms, I put it back in the box,
shut the lid. And that was my first time
handling a serpent. (CHILD CRIES)

Your daddy's in there, baby. 22-year-old pastor Andrew Hamblin
lives here with his wife, Liz, and their five kids. Andrew runs one of the largest
snake-handling churches, and Liz is a devout believer. Liz, you picked up a snake
while you were pregnant? Yes.

How many months were you? I was actually eight months, which I had done right throughout
my whole entire pregnancy, only when the Lord would move on me
because if it was the Lord, I mean, I could not disobey any time that the Lord told me
to do something and me say,
"No, God, I can't do it". When God instructs you to handle
them, handle them all day long. or God says to leave one alone, you better listen
to the voice of God as close as you've ever listened
to anything. Every time you go to handle one,
you know, you'd better make sure that God
is instructing you to do that because you could possibly die. In these parts, this practice has been going on
for over a century. And when the spirit of God
has got that 'ole serpent, for God's sake.. WOMAN: Yeah! Largely hidden to outsiders, RALPH HOOD: I've documented just
under 100 deaths from serpent bites in this tradition
since the early 1900s, and there's probably many more
there were never recorded. At the University of Tennessee
in Chattanooga, Dr Ralph Hood is professor
of psychology and religion. He's been following
the snake preachers for 25 years. He's even seen a preacher die
by snakebite. Serpent handlers are often accused
of being crazy or they will say,
"Yes, but I'm crazy for God".

If you ask them why you take
this literally, they say, "Simply because we are
obedient to the Lord "and the Bible clearly says
they shall take up serpent." Few people are as obedient to God
as Pastor Jamie Coots and his wife, Linda.

# And he gave me love

# All my fellow men,
all I can say.... # (SNAKE RATTLES)

Here, like all the
snake handling churches, there's one strict rule - you can't pick up a snake
until God moves you to do it. God speaks to you.

It's either to take the serpent up
or to handle fire. It's a wonderful feeling.

the most happiest you'll ever be, and it's just a wonderful thing knowing that you're that close
with God. in Kentucky. He comes from a long line
of snake handlers - four generations of his family. Jamie picked up his first snake
when he was 20. It was just a peace and the calm
that just come over me and yet an overwhelming joy that God had counted me worthy
to let me do that. From that moment on, he was bitten. And then he was REALLY bitten. It was 1993. He and Linda were now married
and had two children. I thought, "Lord God,
he's going to die "and leave me with these two kids
to raise." It bit me right here
on the back of the arm. Just the pain,
the swelling of the arm, my face, I don't know. My skin felt like there were just
bugs crawling all over it. The nerves were just going crazy
in my face. Jamie survived, and his children are now
carrying on the family tradition. That's daughter Trina. And there, with the butane torch
is his son, Cody. When he's not playing with fire,
he's handling snakes. To see Cody or Trina,
either one o take up the serpent, I know that I have done my job
as far as training 'em up on our way to a place Andrew Hamblin
calls the home of the copperheads. We're almost at the spot. We're hoping there's
a rattler here today. How many do you hope to find? It's untelling
how many we will find. We find a nest and unearth
not one but 10 snakes.

Oh, we got a blowing viper. And this rare blowing viper. These are very rare. In the middle of laying eggs. It just had an egg. It just had an egg, yeah
no wonder it's angry. So you don't keep the females? No, we don't keep females. Females go back up
undernath the rock.

I want you to come on,
get in, sing, go obey the Lord. Once the snakes are caught,
it's time to preach. It's highly charged
and highly illegal. How many is ready for a good time
with the Lord tonight? How many's ready
to have church tonight? I might hear another amen or two
on that. Come on, children, get in,
obey the Lord. 99% of time in the southern states, the law of God
outweighs the law of man. Whenever they make a law that says
you can't take up serpents, it goes against religious freedom. that's when I say, "Hey, listen,
I do all these other crazy laws "you tell me to do. "But this law here is going against
what my God has told me to do "so I'm going to do
what God tells me to, "you all just go on
about your business." Will anything stop you? There ain't but one thing
that would probably stop me from doing what I do and that's death, itself. (YELLS) They say it's a fake
and it's a phoney, but I'm so glad when he saved me,
Brother Paul, he gave me something I can feel. Come on, somebody... What does it feel like though, is there a physical transformation
that you can tell? There is a physical feeling. I mean, it just feels...
I can't explain. It's like a churning in your stomach
and you can feel it - it's like every hair on your arms
and your body, all your hair
just stands on end it feels like. It's a powerful thing.

This is a dangerous religion
and it's a deadly religion. We have seen brothers and sisters
that we love dearly die, die from serpent bites. It's just not something
you play with.

MAN: They are not accidents,
snakebites are not accidents, they are mistakes. You're going to suffer
the consequences from it. Terry Phillip is the head curator
at South Dakota's Reptile Gardens, the largest reptile zoo
in the world. Everyone wants to know,
"What does a snake bite feel like?"

I've been bitten one time
by a small rattlesnake. The best way I've come up
to describe that is, basically if you go and
light your hand on fire and then every time
your heart beats, take a hammer and put the fire out and do that for several weeks
or months.

There are some snake bites that
produce bleeding out of the eyes, the nose, the gum lines, all the other areas
that are even less pleasant, so snakebite is, it's best... The best way to learn about
snakebite is through experience - someone else's.

I have been bit 8 times
in the last 21 years. I was bitten by a black timber
rattler on this finger and it rotted

till it was just as black and hard
as a piece of coal. Where I grew up in north Queensland, brown snakes and taipans
in the backyard were a regular occurrence. We were taught to fear them
and respect them. If you were bitten by one, there is no question
you would go straight to hospital. I made a vow to God when
I first started taking up serpents, that if I ever was bitten
I would not go to the hospital and if I ever went to the hospital,
I would quit taking up serpents. What if go into hospital
would save your life? I believe
that when it's my time to go, there ain't a doctor in this world
can keep me here. And if it's not my time to go, there
ain't nothing that can take me away. This is Pastor Randy Wilford. Watch carefully. Right here, Randy is bitten. He holds up his hand, keeps dancing
but not for long. God, when it comes to his flesh, he wants to offer himself up
as a sacrifice. That is what God is pleased with -
for us to offer ourselves. Then, later, while still suffering,
he was back handling snakes. But last year, Randy's luck ran out. He was bitten again. It was around 1:30 in the afternoon. Randy refused to go to hospital. By 10:30 that night, he was dead. He was Andrew's best friend. Called his wife, his wife told me she wanted me
to help out with the funeral, help preach the funeral and told me that she wanted me
to bring snakes to the funeral because that's what
Randy would have wanted, wanted us to get in,
handle serpents. There's still some of us
that's willing, that if a serpent lays its fangs
into me tonight, it's God's time for us to die,
we're willing to die. Not surprisingly,
Andrew has also been bitten. Three years ago, when he was 19,
a rattlesnake stuck. But rather than refuse medical
treatment, Andrew went to hospital. I wasn't afraid of dying. I wasn't afraid I was dying
because I figured, "If I'm dying, here I come, Lord." But the thought of leaving my wife
and children - you know, my children are so young
and here it is, "Daddy's been snake-bitten,
he dies by a snakebite." Andrew was treated. He recovered and returned
to the pulpit and his serpents. Yet in all the discussion
about the risk, very little thought is given
to those snakes. It obviously has to be tremendously
stressful on the snakes themselves. That music is really loud. Snakes don't have external ears but they do have internal ear
structures, so they can literally hear
that vibration of really loud music. Flinging them from different places,
you break their ribs, you'll break their vertebra and whether you like snakes or not, animals do still deserve
to be treated with some fashion of respect. (JOHNNY CASH SINGS) # Your own personal Jesus. # God moves in mysterious ways. # Someone to hear your prayers,
someone who cares. # But whether he wants these
devout men and women to handle snakes in his name depends on whether
you really believe or not. # Reach out and touch faith. # Be sure to remember that
there's death in that box. And if you don't believe,
then don't go near the box. # Reach out and touch faith. #

Don't go near the box. PJ Madam in Tennessee there. Coming up - Charlie Teo's
life-saving mission.

WOMAN: The last wild place left
on this planet. This is Charlie! CHARLIE TEO:
Very precise cargo here. They are being destroyed. Verge of extinction. Help me save the orangutans. Do you just give up
and then there's nothing left? There is hope. I think she likes
your surgeon's hands. This is not brain surgery.

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Now to the rainforests of Borneo and Australia's brilliant
brain surgeon, Charlie Teo. It's a deeply personal story for him
and will touch all of us. It's a race against time
to save the magnificent orangutan. Leading the charge is Charlie
and his beautiful angels.

So, this is Hockey. She's a great example of...
how human-like these creatures are. She suffered a stroke at birth. As a consequence, she has
a right-sided weakness, paralysis, she has a blindness
on her right side of her vision and she's also suffering
from secondary seizures. She's got the typical contractors
that you see after you've had a stroke, exactly like you'd see in a human. She's beautiful
and she loves kisses. Give me a kisses. Ah...ah... For more than two decades, Dr Charlie Teo has scrubbed up
for surgery but this is a different kind
of life-saving mission and a very different kind
of patient. When you actually have a one-on-one
experience with an orangutan, you'll realise
they are just beautiful creatures.

They're not violent,
they're not aggressive, they're totally at peace
with the world.

What's happening in Borneo
and Malaysia with palm oil is not responsible.

It's totally irresponsible. Greed is driving this terrible
environmental disaster. This is not brain surgery. Yet, in a roundabout way, brain surgery is what led
Charlie Teo to Borneo. Charlie is one of
the world's best neurosurgeons whose life-saving skills
are always in demand. I work very hard. I operate Mondays,
Wednesdays and Thursdays and I usually operate
well into the night. Tuesdays, I see patients
well into the night so the children very rarely see me. So, you can imagine that time we
have together is extremely precious. With that in mind, I've always felt that I should have a very,
ah, interesting family holiday every year, not just to a beach somewhere
or a resort - but to see part of the world. And so Borneo ticked all the boxes. So in January last year,
Charlie and his wife, Genevieve, What began
as a 10-day jungle adventure would become a life-changing
experience for the whole family. But it didn't begin well. After two days in the rainforest, they were still arguing
about petty little things, like iPods and electronics, so I went into the room
and I just hit the roof. I go, "You know,
you're such spoilt little brats. "Don't you realise where you are, "don't you appreciate, you know,
this opportunity to be here?" The next day, I was still very upset
about the whole thing and I guess I was a bit despondent, walking through the rainforest
looking for the orangutans. And as we were walking, out walks
an orangutan called Princess, she came down and she reached down
and patted my head. And she reached down and held a hand
out for me to grab her hand and she sort of gently held my hand. It was almost like,
"There, there, it is worth it?". "You're gonna love this." And my children were almost
in tears, my wife was in tears. I never heard them arguing again
for the next eight days. It was just remarkable. I think that's why it's one of
the best holidays we ever had.

People describe them as Zen-like. People describe them as being
evolutionary, one step above us. Orangutans seem
to have reached nirvana. I mean, they all seem
to be at peace with themselves and their environment. It's only us that disrupt that.

Across Borneo, rainforests are being torn down... ..cleared for palm oil plantations. The oil is cheap to produce but the cost is high -

especially for native orangutans,
who are left homeless. So 1.5 years
after his family holiday, Charlie is returning to Borneo. I actually spoke to a friend of mine
who is an airline pilot for Qantas and he said to me,
"Charlie, when I fly over Borneo "and then fly back three days later, "I can actually tell how much
rainforest has disappeared "in that small period of time. "You can see from the air." That's how bad it is. They're destroying rainforests at the rate of 300 football fields
per hour. On this trip, Charlie has arranged
to meet up with the Dian Fossey of orangutans. As a young scientist,
Birute Galdikas made world headlines when she made her home
in a remote Borneo rainforest. It was like a different universe, the last wild place
left on this planet. She raised her children
alongside the orangutans and saved as many as she could. 40 years later,
Birute is still in the fight. Is that Tut there? She still lives
deep in the jungle... She's gonna help bring the boat in.
Look. Sheesh! Thank you. ..with an ever-growing family
of orphans and their offspring. This is Percy. We haven't seen Percy
in a long time. Hello, Percy.

It's beautiful to me because
of the orangutans that live here. And this is Ackmahd and she came
for a taste of my coffee and she doesn't like it, you see -
she's pushing me away. She is. And she says, "Where's the sugar?" You see? She clearly feels natural here too,
I mean, and at ease. And that's one of the things
I really like about orangutans is they are so Zen, you know? They can sit there for hours
just contemplating the universe. I think there is much
that can be learned from orangutans. Oh, look at that, she likes you. Yeah. I think she likes
your surgeon's hands. (CHUCKLES)

Yeah, she's just totally at peace
with us. Birute's sanctuary,
called Camp Leakey, is home to more than 300 orangutans. It's a refuge from the deforestation
and devastation nearby. Many are orphans, including one
named after the doctor. Is that Charlie. This is Charlie! Hi, Charlie. Hey, baby. Whoa!

Oh, no, you want Sarah? I've had patients name
children after me, I've had patients name dogs after me but I've never had an orangutan
named after me. They're not just raising orangutans
here... I like them more
than I like real babies. Mwah. ..they're also nurturing
the next generation of scientists. Sarah Leister spends half the year
studying animal conservation at Flinders University
in Adelaide... (LAUGHS)

..and half here, helping to return
orphans to the wild. Such a little guy. He's so brave. He's so brave rolling all over.

Very precious cargo here.

Gonna have some fun. Having raised four girls, and I think I am used to
dealing with them in large numbers and this mobile crate
is not difficult to handle. But I will contend that this group is probably easier
to handle than my four girls. They're much better behaved,
aren't you? Yes. So, off we go now to the jungle gym.

There you go.

Oh, look! Ooh!

When we took out the little babies
today, I guess that is exercise, but is that also the start
of the process? Absolutely. That's them learning
how to find fruit in trees, they learn how to build nests
out there. You know, swing around in the vines
and, yeah, that's forest school. Look at this vine. C'mon.
Look how much fun this is. They can't survive themselves
without people taking care of them. You know, they need somewhere
to sleep at night, they need someone to give them
food and love. I mean, even without love,
they can get depressed and die. They need all of these things
to be able to survive. Here we go. Yes. Yes.
That's the boy.

That's the boy. Do you think that it's too late
already? Well, I mean, if it's too late,
do you just give up and there is nothing left? I mean, you have to try. You can't just give up
and have nothing. I want to see all of these babies
free.

For Charlie, this trip
is more personal than anyone could have known. his wife, Genevieve, wanted more
than anything to be part of it. Unfortunately, my wife was diagnosed
with breast cancer. Ah, we've never mentioned that
on national TV but it's not something we're ashamed
of. Ah, in fact,
I'm incredibly proud of her. She has never faltered in her role
as a mother or as a wife. And she's been incredibly
courageous. I think it's taken more of a toll
on me than it has on her. One of my patients once said to me, "The worst things about cancer,
Charlie, "is you can't take the weekend off." And that was very telling. Basically, it's with you forever. And yes, thankfully, cancers
like breast cancer are curable and her doctors have told her that she has a significant chance
of cure, which is terrific. Both Charlie and Genevieve know all
too well that all life is precious so with Genevieve's encouragement,
Charlie went back to Borneo. She did want to come as well but
she's in the middle of chemotherapy. It would have been too dangerous
for her to come here. You have several feeding areas
along here? Yeah. We have several. At the edge of Camp Leakey in the rainforest that generous
supporters have helped to buy with donations, Charlie finds good news. We have a wild adult male orangutan,
you can see by the size of him. Orphaned orangutans that were
released into the jungle 10 days ago are suddenly joined by wild ones. He wants to come close. He wants
to see what females are here. It's the females are attracting him,
not the food. Not the food. Oh. What that should tell you
is that there is hope. The hope is that, yes,
we are decimating their habitat... (LAUGHS) No. No more. Hey. ..but there is hope as long as we
start reversing things from now on. We just can't let it continue
the way it's going. Wee! Wee!

Charlie is one very remarkable man. Go to our website where there are
more details of how you can help. Let's get behind Charlie's campaign. And our very best wishes and thanks
to Charlie's wife, Genevieve, as well. Next, the outlandish, outspoken,
outrageous Alex Perry - the man who wears sunglasses
on his head. His life story
will totally surprise you.

He likes women. I'm Alexandros Perzanidis. A dag in Prada clothing. Sunglasses. It obviously pisses people off. So what's real?
There's a bit of Botox. People assume you're gay. I can't tell you
how little I give a shit. Should I have said that? Naughty.

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Better.

He wears his sunglasses
on the top of his head, people assume he's gay and the most beautiful women
in Australia constantly flock to his door. Alex Perry's grand designs
have made him a fashion superstar. His bold claim is that
he can make any woman look thinner. As PJ Madam reports,
Alex has his critics but frankly he doesn't give
a damn what people think.

('BOM BOM'
BY SAM AND THE WOMP PLAYS)

ALEX PERRY: I like to think that
I don't fit into the category of what people think
a fashion designer is all about. Taste is subjective - one person thinks I'm incredible, somebody else thinks
that I'm just garbage.

I am a dag in Prada clothing.
(LAUGHS)

Putting on an Alex Perry dress
is like transforming yourself into the ultimate version
of yourself. The very controversial Alex Perry
designs like a dream... ..dresses the stars...

..and is unashamedly unafraid
of making a spectacle of himself. MAN: With the glasses.. No, it's alright.
I'll take them off. So what's real here? It's all real.
It's all real. Including those? I go to the gym,
I just go to the gym. There is nothing not real, there are a few fillers
and there is a bit of Botox but that's that. That's normal, right? So tell us something about
Alex Perry that we don't know. Well, it's not my real name,
for a start. (LAUGHS) That's right.
What is your real name? It's Perzanidis.
Alexandros Perzanidis. Which means "rivet maker". Rivet maker?
In Greek? Greek, yeah.
I didn't know that. It's true.
Thanks for that. Alex and his older brother Lee
have their differences. I, for instance, always wear
my sunglasses on my face. The sons of Greek immigrants, the world they grew up in
was working-class Sydney. Lee loved
their backyard cricket games and Alex barely tolerated them. So boring, so by the time
I finished batting... Let's just say he didn't fulfil
his bowling responsibilities as a brother and an Australian! He wouldn't bowl for you? My dad immigrated to Australia. He came halfway around the world to a country where
he didn't speak the language. Like, in my eyes, incredibly brave and I was brought up
in an environment that we were made, every day,
to feel very loved. Describe Alex Perry, the child. Um, you know, I was really shy. I never thought that I fitted in
very well, you know? I was fat
and I wasn't very good at sports. Were you bullied? Yeah, of course, I was bullied. I was tied up to poles,
you know, I was intimidated, I was all that stuff. But that was teasing back then so by today's standards, um, yeah,
I copped a lot of bullying. Had you admitted what you wanted
to do back at school, what would the reaction be? I wasn't completely stupid. Like, if I had said to somebody,
"I'd really like to make dresses, "what do you think about that?" Instant head flushing. I'd just walk myself
to the toilet block and say, "Come on, do it!" At 18,
he could already strike a pose. After studying design at tech, Alex got a job
with June Dally-Watkins managing models. Then, at 30,

in tiny rented premises next to
a shop selling barbeque chooks, he took the plunge
and started his own label. Mum was pleased. Dad, perplexed. It just took Dad a little while
because I couldn't quite... ..I couldn't make him understand
what a fashion designer was. He didn't understand those terms and I said to him,
"It's like a tailor" and he went, "Oh, a tailor," and I could see it in his mind,
like, "that's respectable." From that small frock shop
in the suburbs... So this is the engine room?
This is the engine room. ..Alex Perry created an empire, becoming a larger-than-life
character designing delicate,
beautiful dresses. What stage of the process
are we at now? I'm just playing around now. I'm actually not sure
what I'm doing. When Alex designs,
it is more about intuition. I just literally play around
on the mannequin. I cut things out and
I have a look at it, you know, "Is it working, is it not working?" With every dress,
he built a body of work but his first big break
was dressing 'The Body'. Then came his first cover. I didn't have enough money
to change the brakes on my car but I was in 'Vogue'. And then it all started to happen. This drive
that you're talking about... Mmm.

..does it stem from a place where, you don't originally
come from that world? Yeah. Are you trying to say that
I try to prove myself all the time? Do you?
Yeah. Yeah, totally. I don't come from that world. I...I actually don't consider myself
really part of it. Alex's world outside of fashion
is a very private one -

I wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for her. She unwaveringly supported me,
believed in me every step of the way and made it possible. Um...and she loves me
and I love her. From the first time I saw her, she is the most beautiful girl
to me.

We've been married for 25 years
and even now I'll say to her, "Even when you put your hair
in a ponytail "and doing housework and stuff," there's something
very glamorous about her. Um...I'm so lucky.
I'm so fortunate. Now you realise that people would be
surprised that you are married. Yeah. Are you surprised when people
assume you're gay. No. They have done it
since I was at school. And it's...when they say that to me, they think that by
calling me "gay" is an insult. Some of the best friends that I have
are gay and lesbian and I love them um, call me a paedophile,
that will insult me. But calling me gay

and insulting my friends
that I love who are beautiful, you're, um,
you're missing the mark. Is it something... Look, I'm not the blokiest bloke
on the block, come on! All my life, I've loved sunglasses. Now let's get to some of the areas
of your career which has attracted
a bit of criticism. Mmm. Let's do that. Let's do that, shall we?
"Wild pig", yep! WOMAN: What one's she?
I love her. I think she looks like a wild pig. (SNORTS) You know, sometimes something
is funny in your head and it just needs to stay there? She needs to shake hands with
conditioner and make it her friend. Oh, you're mean. Naughty!

Should I have said that? No-one cares. Possibly not. That's all I've got to say. Political correctness
has gotten to a point where you've really got
to watch every... ..I've got to watch
everything that I say. Hi, designers. ALL: Hi, Alex. On the Foxtel series
'Project Runway', Perry sets wannabe designers
challenges against the clock. So could he, and would he,
emulate them and accept a challenge set by us? It's often said that you know how to dress a woman
better than anyone else. So (BLEEP!) true.
I'm feeling a bit arrogant today. (LAUGHS) Good!
That's good. Are you going to put your money
where your mouth is today? Yep Alright, let's do it.
Bring it.

I mean, this is
the most important stage - getting the fit right. So if any length
needs to come out of it, you know, I can do that in calico and then transfer that
to the pattern. I have to admit
this is quite confronting. Yeah, but, you know, the end result
is not going to be confronting. You've sort of got to
go through this. And how important
is the Cinderella moment? It's all about
the Cinderella moment. I mean, that's why you do this. It's why girls wear dresses
like this. It's that transformative moment
where you go from your everyday life to, like, "You know what?
I want to feel special. "I want to feel a bit like
a movie star, "I want people to notice me
when I go out," and go, "You know what,
you look really beautiful."

What do you think your strengths
are as a designer? I've got a really good sense
of proportion on a woman. You just looked at me below the chin
just when you said that. Yeah, got to scan it. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) Is that what you do?
That wasn't so subtle. Yeah, of course I do. If somebody comes in here,
if I look at a woman, and she wants to, you know,
to have something beautiful made, I've got to see
what I'm working with. So...

What do you reckon?
Yeah. It's good, right? It is good, yeah, it is.
(LAUGHS)

Can I just try one thing? Well, today is Thursday
and we're showing on Monday so today is a full day,
the first full day of fitting. So all the girls coming in, we have got them coming in
at 15-minute intervals. In the catty world of high fashion, the fashionistas
are always ready to pounce. Not even Alex Perry is safe. Every time a model steps out
on his catwalk, his name is on the line. It's going quite well,
like, we are ahead of schedule and the alterations
haven't been too drastic. ('I LIKE HOW IT FEELS' PLAYS)

('I LIKE HOW IT FEELS' PLAYS)

You know, he has
a cool, calm exterior but I think he'd be pretty buzzy
on the inside. I have a lot of insecurities
every time I do a show. I'm forever questioning
whether it's good enough. I'm baring my soul
a little bit to you. I've worked so hard creatively
on what this is for so much time and I don't feel that there
is a lot of respect for evening wear designers.

Will you actually enjoy it? Will there be a moment when you go,
"Nup, this is awesome." No. Just when it's done.

Well done,
well done, everybody. Rabbit! I'm really sweaty.
It's OK! Thanks for everything. I'm so sweaty.
It was amazing! What did you do after the show? Um, went home, put my pyjamas on
and watched 'My Kitchen Rules'. (LAUGHS) You're kidding? Lay on the couch, had a Four'N Twenty pie
and a Mrs Mac's sausage roll. You going to Mum's next weekend?
Um, I'm going there on the 8th. Somebody asked me once, you know, like, who is the most
successful person that you admire? And it was Dad because, you know,
he left Greece, he was an orphan, he came to Australia, started with nothing, created us. And he didn't make millions but he had this
incredible, loving family that he was the leader of so I can't think of anything
more successful than that. He's my hero. And he recently passed away?
Yeah, last year. Yeah.
What would he say today? He'd say I love you.
(WHISPERS) Yeah. He'd say I love you.

Given what you achieved last night,
how proud would he be? (SIGHS)

He was proud of me
every day of his life. Every day.

Now, you know, everyone who knows
that I'm doing this interview have asked me to ask you
what's with the sunglasses? All my life, I've loved sunglasses. It's such a broken record. I don't get what the...it obviously
pisses people off but I don't care. I don't care about
what people think about me. The person that I don't know
thinks about me and my sunglasses - I can't tell you how little
I give a shit.

The very shy and retiring
Alex Perry. And Alex is the man responsible for kick-starting
Megan Gale's Australian career - see what she thinks about that
in our exclusive web extra. Also on our website,

Alex Perry responds to his critics
who say he's anti-fat. Next, anger and sympathy - the furious fallout
from our story on the Bali Nine.

Myuran Sukumaran, death sentence. Andrew Chan, death sentence. No matter what your views are, there's only one question
that really counts - clemency or execution?

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Your reaction on Twitter
and our Facebook page to Mike Willesee's special report
last week on the Bali Nine was quite overwhelming. Two of the young Australians,
Chan and Sukumaran, are facing the imminent prospect
of death by firing squad for trying to smuggle heroin. From you,
there was both anger and sympathy.

MYURAN SUKUMARAN: It's like having
a gun pointed at your head and you don't know
when it's going to go off. (CELL DOOR SLAMS) They take you out of your cell. They kind of give the order
and they fire away. (SHOTGUN COCKS) (IMITATES GUNFIRE)
You're going to shoot me. We had an unusually strong reaction after our story Sunday night
on the Bali Nine. There was a lot of anger - anger that young Australians
broke Indonesian law and should be prepared
to pay the penalty. No sympathy. But there was also anger
from the other direction about six young Australian men
now facing life in prison because of their stupidity
and their greed and two more facing execution - way, way too harsh. I mean, you can cry about it,
you can scream. You can do anything but it's not going to change
the fact that death is death, and you just have
to try and be positive, not just for yourself
but for your family and know that there's other chances
to get that reduced and just focus on that.

We had unprecedented access
to Kerobokan Prison, and it became clear to us,
day after day, that it was the respect the guards
had for Chan and Sukumaran Earlier this year, an English grandmother
named Lindsay Sandiford was sentenced to death
for drug smuggling. She became morbidly depressed
and refused to leave her cell. Out of 1,200 prisoners, the authorities selected Andrew Chan
to lift her spirits. I hope that I've made
a difference within myself and that I have changed
and that I've actually, you know, done everything that I could
have ever done, you know, to better myself. So, let's look at verses 10. Many of the prisoners approached us to talk about the two Australians
on death row. One of them was Peter the German. Peter walked up to me in the prison and said he wanted to tell me
how Sukumaran saved his life. Peter's crime was possessing
less than a gram of marijuana. His sentence was one year. I have a lot of reason to think
that my wife called the police,

She, uh...
she want to separate from me. How bad was your mental state?

I was totally depressed
and, yeah, just crying like a baby. He was crying every day here,
yeah. Slowly, slowly we talked
and talked and talked and it took him about
two or three months, I guess, but he sort of started to get out. I pushed him to do boxing,
pushed him to the painting and slowly, slowly he got better. He said to me,
"Peter, you are selfish. "Why you cry? You cry for yourself. "You cry, you are only -
your case is very small. "Look at me,
I have...I'm on death row, yeah? "Why you cry?"

And from this moment on,

I start...I changed, I changed. I opened my eyes
and I thought, "He is right." He says that he was shocked
because you walked up to him and said,
"You are being very selfish." Could be. He said it worked for him.

Prison life anywhere is difficult - artificial, locked up, locked down. People like Scott Rush struggle. I'm currently not residing with any
of the other Bali Nine in the tower at the moment. I've had a fight with each
and every one of them and been kicked out of every room. And perhaps it's no coincidence that the four Australians
running the workshops are strong, mentally and physically. And the two with the most to lose -
in fact, everything to lose - are doing the best. Are you afraid of being executed? Definitely. It's something
that looms in your mind. You know, number one, you know,
to be departed of your loved ones and you kind of feel the hurt and you feel the pain
of how would your family feel. how do they feel about that? No matter what your views are
in this sad situation, there's only one question
that really counts and it's quite simple. Clemency for Chan and Sukumaran... ..or execution? Remembering clemency
is a life sentence.

So, what do you think? We'd like to hear your views
on Facebook and Twitter. Mike Willesee reporting. Next, 'X' marks the spot.

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like a truck. ..from all over... RONAN: Where are you from? Adelaide. I'm from Texas. We are from Sweden. Bianca, tell us about
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