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Hi, I'm Julia Baird. Coming up on The Drum, allegations rape and torture at the Manus Island Detention Centre. New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner caught sending lewd pictures of himself again. And the world gets a glimpse of the third in line to the throne. Joining me tonight, Scott Stephens, Peter Reith and Feyi Akindoyeni. First here is Kathryn Stolarchuk with the news.Here are the top stories. Five people are confirmed dead in the latest asylum seeker boat tragedy. It went down south-west of Java. Local fishermen came to the rescue yesterday afternoon and Indonesian police say they have since found 181 survivors. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have spent their first night at home with their new son. The third in line to the throne has made his first public appearance on the steps of St Mary's Hospital. Prince William said his as-yet unnamed son had a good pair of lungs, his mother's looks and more hair than his father. Nurses around NSW walked off the job today to secure more staff in critical a care areas. The State Government says it's given the nurses a 2.5% pay rise but doesn't support the demand for increased nurse to patient ratio. And police are continuing to excavate an old mine at Coober Pedy in search for a 16-year-old girl who went missing nearly 23 years ago. Karen Michelle Williams was last seen after a night out with friends in the early hours of August 4th in 1990. Police say if the remains are discovered, they expect to make an arrest. That is the latest news. Now it's back to The Drum with Julia Baird.

Hello, welcome to The Drum, I'm Julia Baird. Coming up - reports the Government is looking to scrape looking to scrape together
another $6 billion in savings. The New York mayoral candidate in the headlines again for exchanging more lewd pictures of himself online. And the new evident member of the British in Royal Family appears in his first photo call. Our panel tonight, Scott Stephens, former Howard Government member Peter Reith and Feyi Akindoyeni. You can join us on Twitter using the hashtag The Drum. First tonight, the Federal Government says it will continue with its plan to expand the Manus Island detention centre in Papua New Guinea, despite claims some current inmates have been raped and tortured there. A and tortured senior security manager at the centre told SBS's 'Dateline' program that some victims have been locked up with their attackers. Rod St George said Australian officials knew but failed to intervene.These young men who were considered vulnerable, which in many cases is just a euphemism for men who are being raped, they had to stay where they are being raped, they had stay where they were. These
people who are being raped, they had to
stay where they people who have been assaulted people who have been are forced to remain...Back in are forced to the tent?Back in the tent. Being the tent?Back in Being an Australian and knowing this is what my Government is doing, that my Government has doing, that my sanctioned this, made me feel ashamed.Immigration Minister Tony Burke says he was made aware of the allegations a week-and-a-half ago. He week-and-a-half ago. He will travel to Manus Island within days to investigate further. That people are being treated with dignity, you want to make sure that services are being provided appropriately. The allegations on the program last night clearly fell appallingly short of that and clearly there's a lot of direct allegations that need to be followed up. I was only given access to the person making the allegations as of last night. Until then I didn't know his details or name. I'm now in touch and there is work to be done on following up. The individuals currently on Manus Island will be removed.Tony Abbott said the Opposition spokesman had warned of the risk.Scott Morrison has been warning the Government for months there were serious months of bullying and abuse and violence inside detention centres both here and I'm disappointed that the Government has made light of Scott Morrison's warnings, but now there's further evidence what Scott has been saying for months is right.Meanwhile, at least five people are dead after a boat bound for Christmas Island sunk after a Christmas Island sunk off the south-west coast of Java last Christmas Island sunk off night. More than 180 people were rescued but up to 200 could have been on board. Feyi Akindoyeni, I would like to go to you first. If we can talk about the allegations on SBS last night. Now Tony Burke says he is confident this can be addressed, that simply by training staff properly and separating the inmates, this will no longer be a problem. How confident can we feel that is the case and how many remaining concerns do you have about the protocol and protections for people being sent to Manus Island?I don't think anybody who saw the show last night would, you know, say that they were comfortable with the situation that is going on at Manus Island. You would have to think it couldn't be an isolated experience given the number of detention centres we have around the country. I think Tony Burke firmly puts himself on the side of those who want to address the issue. To pretend the Government himself on about it and failed to act without any evidence I think is taking the political spin on a it a little bit too far. I'm sure that people who are involved in these detention centres are trying to cope with the reality of the influx and the political expectations that have been put on the program and not surprisingly, reality tends to fall over in the face of those political pressures. Do you think this is a case of reality falling over or kind of cramped, difficult conditions, desperate people and staff with inadequate training, Scott?It is a volatile cocktail of all of those factors. One issue that hasn't been - we touch on it from time to time and we saw unfortunately a very graphic example of it in Nauru recently, but there is something about the experience of time for these asylum seekers, for those being detained. As soon as time becomes emptied of a point, an end point, or some sense of processor meaning, as soon as it becomes just existing, whatever those conditions might
be, then it's already problematic. That's when hopelessness begins to sink in. Trying to say you are upholding the human dignity, that is when those sorts of terms begin losing any hopelessness you take the sense of hopelessness and the lack of any clear progression, as soon as you mix that with conditions that are at best sub starred and at worst provide no security for people who might have suffered or are under great risk of about to be subjected to some horrible, horrible treatment, everything adds together to create an inhumane situation.What can be done, given this deal has just been signed, there will be a lot more people being sent there, what do we need to insist is in place?I've got no prescription here, Julia, simply because I don't see this is something that can be married to anything like either effected outcomes or any sense that we are upholding international or deeper moral obligations. I simply don't see that we can - without taking too wide a historical lens here, let's recall that when every other, let's call them - when ever other Utopian BHP benefit, any other Utopian program over the course of the Twentieth Century declined, the one that kept holding on was human rights and human dignity. As soon as you begin rich As soon as you begin marrying a
rich sense what we owe to one rich sense of human rights and what we owe to one another by what we owe to virtue of their existence, as
soon soon as you marry that to political soon as you marry that political ex-speedience and throw that into this very, throw that into this very, very messy political contest in the shadow of an election, the one shadow of an election, the thing that must suffer is any robust sense of dignity and the conditions in which dignity can be fostered.Peter Reith, you wrote a piece for The Drum online in which you said you were sceptical about the PNG plan working because of capacity problems and other practical issues. Can you spell that out for us?I'm sceptical on a range of points. My scepticism was exaggerated because it seemed to me that for an Australian Government tackling what has become a very difficult issue, more difficult than it was in the Howard years, that's the truth of it, to try and deal with it, they need to leave no stone unturned. The fact is need Kevin Rudd was never opposed in 2007 to the idea of turning back the boats and yet he is now and the fact that he's not now prepared to do it, in my view, is a political decision he's made. If you want to do something about this, you have got to take every option available to you and turn it to the particular task, namely to stop the boats.I saw Chris Kenny wrote a piece in 'The Australian', saying you need to combine the two, turn the boats back and send them on to Papua New Guinea.If you try to get to Australia, you won't make it, it was the First Group after that was said, they didn't get to mainland Australia, they didn't get to didn't get Christmas Island, they were put on a boat and transferred to another boat and taken off to Nauru. I know because I was negotiating it with Nauru. Look with the benefit of a week's hindsight, Kevin would have been much those items in together and had one shot at it. those items in together and one shot at it. Quite frankly, I think one shot I think he could have left it for another week I think he could for another week and done more preparation so that he could actually say on the day, from today actually say on today on, then that first boat that arrived on the day that he made the statement, it should have gone to Manus Island, in my view.We are talking about a range of issues here, obviously. There is the question of deterrence. Then there is the question of the humanitarian treatment of people in detention, the speedy processing. What came out on 'Dateline' last night, what do you think we need to be doing to ensure the people who have sought asylum here but are being turned away, are treated humanely?Ultimately, I think there is a question that Scott and I need to debate. Is it possible for an Australian Government to effectively run a detention centre to prevent criminal acts being perpetrated on other detainees. Now I actually think of course they can do so but they need to put the satisfactory resources, necessary resources to make that a reality.More staff?Look, we have got detention centres all over the place. It's not a common problem. It's a problem in this particular case and a particularly bad example of the situation getting out of control. But from a policy perspective, can it be properly run? Of course it can be. It's a matter of putting resources and whatever to the issue that's in front of them. I think the truth of the matter is they need to be sending people to Manus Island now because that's the only way they are going to be able to say to the people smugglers, we're backing up by what we're saying by what we're doing.The reason we are not is to conduct the basic health checks.That's what they say. I can't believe you need a month or whatever it is. If that is the case, quite frank cli, Kevin Rudd made a mistake by making the statement without getting all his ducks lined up.Aren't we falling into the same trap the politicians fall into. We are having a groundhog debate in which we confuse the politics of the deterrent message with the election debate with the policy challenge of dealing with migrants who come by boat, simple as that. We keep going through the same thing where we blur the two and we forget that in actual fact, if we had a policy which dealt with boat people fairly and in a way most people thought was in line with their values and wasn't geed up by rhetoric, we probably would be happier with the outcome. We would probably be more comfortable with ourselves. We are allowing boat people to be something else other than people in need. I'm comfortable with immigrants who can get to their family coming to Australia with $10,000, sure Australia with $10,000, I'm not sure I could do the same in sure I could do the same thing
in reverse. They are the kind in reverse. They are the of entrepreneurship that Australia could have more of. The political nature of how this debate this debate is dealt with disregards reality. As a result, Rudd attempted in this particular process to deal with the politics of it. I thought he dealt with the politics incredibly well. The minutia of the detail will be hashed around. Most of the take away on this is Rudd has taken away the Coalition's core message and that is stop the boats. Well he stopped the boats. He has a poll I is and he thinks it's credible. Therefore any discussion about this can now have a tinge around the danger and to the people in the boats. The motivation is around that. If he says the danger word one more time in the next 24 hours, I'm going to be ill. But he's done a wonderful job of reef positioning the context and removing the Coalition's, one of their most powerful bullets against the ALP.Scott, Peter challenged you to a debate. I think he passed that up?I will make two brief points. The first is it seems to me when we are talking about de territories, if we accept it as a political baseline, something that Governments ought to be concerned about, there are two rationals. There is the rationale of the Howard Government which is sovereignty. We ought to have control over our borders. It makes sense. One might disagree but as a policy position it makes sense. You can argue that. The other ground is the humanitarian ground. We don't want any more people dying at sea. As soon as you say your deep concern is the preservation of life, then that's where the moral rationale begin toss fray. Whether we like it or not, the consigning of people to Manus Island, the conditions themselves cannot but be inhumane and can but be unsang filed and a desecration of lives that we send there. The other thing, which we other thing, which we are leaving off the table is for those that do settle in PNG, those that do settle in PNG, we are expecting people those that do settle in are expecting people to settle in a Melanesian country that has one of in a Melanesian has one of the highest rates of unemployment, one of the least developed economic structures, where there is no clear way of entering into a social or communal life and and where the rivalries and the fractions and violence between tribes and regions remains rife. The whole thing to me strikes me...You are positing an either/or argument. If we are going to have any policies to deter, can you not in time say we have a range of humanitarian concerns about this?Can I say I don't accept the morality of deterrents. I'm not an open borders person. But at the same time I do not think it's either in the spirit of the way in which human rights discourse has developed over the last 50 years. I don't think it's in the letter of the Refugee Convention.The whole concept is repugnant.You and Faya are falling into the same game basically which is to say it's not right for anybody to be sent to PNG. That's Waugh are saying. The consequence of that, all these people trying to get to Australia, they all come to Australia. Now that's fine for you to have a point of view like that. Out there in the real world, in the Australian public, their view is we are prepared to take refugees and take a fair number but we're not prepared to have open slather and people self-selecting. You can talk about the politics first and claim this is the problem, we are not dealing with it because all the politicians can only think about politics and there is no doubt it is a highly charged situation at the
moment. But seriously, at the political level, and I'm an ex-politician so I will give my bit of grace, but from the Coalition and for a lot of people in the Labor Party as well, this is a problem that has got to be fixed and the Australian public will not put up with this. I tell you what, for all of those who have high values about these things, they have to understand if this issue is not properly managed, you will get people taking a far more difficult stance as ev had in the UK, you will get more extreme responses to this situation and that would be bad news for this country. It's an issue that has to be fixed.You are not calling human values high pretty good record high values?Australia has a humanitarian pretty good record on
humanitarian issues when people and helped truth is we have people truth is we have taken a lot of out a lot of people and helped a lot and put out a lot of taxpayers'
money.I'm out a lot Later we will find out how money.I'm keen to come back. people in PNG are receiving the Later we will find news of the people in PNG are receiving news of seeker policy. We will be seeker policy. We will joined by Alex Reeney who is the editor of the Post Courier the editor of the newspaper. Kevin Rudd met with the Business Council and ACTU today. He wants a 2% increase in national productivity fuelled by a fresh pact between Government, the corporate sector and trade unions. The Treasurer is confident that progress has already been made. We do have a process in place where we've tried to bring Business Council to business community and the unions together to talk about the productivity agenda and what can be achieved, not yelling at each other from different corners, but facilitated by us to do so. I do think that's a good process.The PM has identified seven key areas that need reform, including business regulation, power prices and infrastructure. The Shadow Treasurer doesn't think Mr Rudd's plans will amount to much.Kevin Rudd's full of, you know, water and wind. We all know that. The problem is that everyone has to mop up the tears when it all ends in tears. Kevin Rudd is a latecomer to all this. He's always got an agenda, he's always got a statement but he's rarely got action. When he does have action, he ends up hurting people.Now Feyi Akindoyeni, the Treasurer said before this is the productivity agenda, we need to work out what can be achieved. There is a lot of talk about the accord. Are we looking at the same kind of environment that there was for the first accords. What do you think can be achieved with such meetings and think nobody would argue with
the benefits that come from dialogue between the ALP and business and Rudd does not a particularly warm and friendly relationship with business historically, particularly towards the end of his previous term as PM. However, with this move what he is going for here is to acknowledge the fact that what is business, what is employment, what is commercial life in Australia, is fundamentally shifting. That whole disruptive technology, the internet has moved from a manufacturing, agricultural base, we are clearly having to look to service economy, the digital economy, to the future. This is starting the conversation, talking about the bedrock of what has to happen for that to be realised. He is also at the same time, if we look at the political dynamic of this, he has cleverly gone to the heart of one of the core components of the Coalition's election platforms. Their big plan mentions productivity almost this in triple, four-figure numbers. It's almost the single most actual used in their plan. So he's gone right to the cornerstone of what they are hoping to embrace and own as an election issue and his seven pillars look remarkably like some of their core conversation pieces around that productivity plan. So he has managed to look like he is putting an olive branch out to the business sector but again wedged the Coalition. Sorry, you must be joking. One minute you are telling us he is the greatest political mind of our generation on the boat people and now your latest is, he has wedged them on productivity. Sorry, I've heard a few pulling my leg, pull my other leg.Tell us what you think about productivity?I will give him this much. To say that productivity is a problem in Australia, which is sort of what he said, he is absolutely right. The truth of the matter is, he has been a lot of the cause in the fall back in productivity since twe. The productivity numbers, please don't attack me on the numbers, demonstrate that. But I accept that there is always an issue about how you read the numbers.Economists have been talking about it for the past decade. There was slow productivity growth in the productivity 1990s and early 2000s:The productivity numbers are far better than the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd numbers. We can debate this until Rudd-Gillard-Rudd numbers. come home but the can debate this until the cows have to go to come home but the truth is you issues. You have to go things like the way have to go to substantial
issues. You have to things like the way in which
the issues. You have to go to
things like the labour market operates. You have to go to things have to go to things like that which was being discussed by Martin Ferguson this morning, green tape and red tape. To show you how phoney Kevin Rudd is on this issue, the day or two after he became PM, he had a bit of that regulation stuff in front of him, in the Parliament. He should have done something about it on the zenophobic 457 and the other one was a right of entry issue. He could have done something about that. They were way out of line in terms of better management of key business issues and he turned his back to it.What is the single most important issue regarding productivity. Is the red or green tape you are talking about.There is no...We are having a
conversation.Conversation is perfect for Kevin.We are having one now.What would I do?Yes.I would have a string of things to do. I would cut down on the doubling up on the environmental because that has added a lot of cost to our resource sector. We need to do more on workplace relations. There is no question you need a lot more flexibility. Look at what is happening in the retail industry. Look at what about the retail sector. It's all Productivity Commission said all there in black and white. what We know what a lot of these problems are. We know what a lot problems are. We need something to do something about it.Scott, what do you think? Can you give us more talk on this issue quickly. Do you think it talks about wages that some are playing - blaming.Can I be high it would be reflected in the UK and US that as soon as you begin fostering some sort of network of trust, some sort of relationship that relates both to trust, to one's employers, but also a rich sense of vocation that what I'm doing actually has some import to it, it's not just for the purpose of my wage but it does contribute to the common good, that it does have some wider relationship with my fellow employees, when that - in other words, when work is plugged into a broader network of morality, when it's given...Let's give people a concrete example. We were talking about of the show, I was at the Philadelphia Inquirer where the staff took a number of pay cuts in a row. There are a couple of media organises where that has happened. Are there any ex-of that here?Not that I can see. It seems to me Australia works in a fundamentally different way. In my experience, there is far less sense of public spiritedness, if I can say that. Vocations in Australia tend not to spill over into a rich sense of that. Vocations other words what I am doing has some contribution to our common life.That's less in Australia than in other countries?Absolutely.What's your evidence?Especially in my experience of higher education and tertiary education.Is that some impressionis particular or talking about surveys that have been done and other an al ses that have been done. Is that your sense working in those places.That's my sense working in those places. The other thing I do note is because of the economic calamity that has overtaken other countries and we by and large have escaped from, there has been a Tea Party moral debate especially in the UK, the US and in Europe about the importance of trust between employees and employers, about trust as a new currency without which capitalism cannot succeed. I sat a couple of years ago with Joseph Stiglett and something he noted, Adam Smith would never have spoken about in the way he did if he could not fall back on a shared set of virtues. As soon as you take virtues in common out of economic dealings, what we need is regulation. Regulation is what you need when you don't have morality.Let's not kid ourselves the answer to productivity is cutting people's wages. That is just complete nonsense. I mean you will find examples like Ford or Holden or someone where they are so down the chute they have to talk about...It's only the car industry they are talking about this now.For most businesses, the whole thing about productivity, let's do this a whole lot smarter and either we will production from the same amount either we will get more of imports and that is the production from the same of imports and that is the one
that shouldn't be of imports and that is that shouldn't be avoided by talking about wage cuts.Let's talk about the Federal Budget more generally. It could be in worse shape than expected. Government revenue has been billions less than billions less than Treasury predicted. Kevin Rudd has added big ticket items to the books. The early move to an Emissions Trading Scheme will cost almost $4 billion. And the Government's new asylum seeker policy isn't costed but it won't be cheap. The Opposition claims Labor has lost control of spending.Sooner or later the rubber's going to hit the road. There has to be proper accountability for all this money Kevin Rudd is spending. He does it all the time. He does it all the time. Policy on the run, expenditure on the run, someone else has to pick up the pieces after Kevin Rudd has destroyed the joint.The Government plans to pay for scrapping the carbon price by changing the Fringe Benefits Tax for cars. The 'Financial Review' reports Labor is looking for more cuts to bring the return to surplus back on schedule. The PM says the Government will continue to look for places to make savings.We take our fiscal responsibility seriously. What are they. Number one, keep the economy strong. Number two, return the budget to balance. Number three, deal with any challenges on the revenue side and to deal with any way in which we can continue to tighten expenditure. That's the responsible course of action.Meanwhile, Labor's rolled out a fresh TV ad spruiking its economic management and taking a swipe management at the Coalition. The new campaign begins on commercial television tonight. Let's take a look.We are hearing a lot from the Opposition about Australia's debt. You may be surprised to know that Australia's debt per capita is one of the low evident in the developed world. Ask yourself this. If our debt levels are so bad why are we only one of eight countries in the world with a AAA credit rating, a stable outlook. These are the real facts and no amount of negative political spin can change that.Feyi Akindoyeni, an interesting ad there. Where do you think that they can be looking for further cuts to be made at this stage?I think the discussion about cuts is a hypothetical one to a certain extent. This notion they will find $6 billion for the 2016-17 budget. That's forward estimates. It's never, Neverland. All it takes is for the Australian dollar to decline for our domestic production and things could realign fairly quickly. One thing that was interesting about that particular news piece from Kevin Rudd was the fact you notice he avoided the word "Surplus". He is saying really it's about balancing the books, it's about getting good management but in this economic environment, almost every expert has said trying to go for a surplus could hurt the economy in the long run, we are better off having good economic management and in the process of that, I'm sure they will, 2016-17 have a new world order of financial numbers and whoever wins the election later whoever in the year is going to give us a whole new set of forward estimates based on their new reality.Not an easy thing to do in this environment, Scott, when they try to talk about tightening the scrutiny of the reality.Not Fringe Benefits Tax. There was an enormous push back on an enormous push back that.I'm completely with feyi
on this. One by one, ever since Rudd's resurrection, there has been a kind of dealing with each one of the weak points, each one of the weak links in the overall political story that Labor has to tell. One of them is waste, mismanagement, blowing of the Howard era surplus. After the backlash, following the changes to Fringe them Benefits Tax exemptions, I would be very, very, very surprised if anything does come of this, especially not in the enormity, $6 billion, that's almost inconceivable in the current political climate yet it's an important message to be sending out, we are fiscally responsible. So much what we are seeing from Kevin Rudd, he is returning to Opposition Leader status. He is returning Leader to the same things he did in those final half year under those John Howard. Because he thinks on that front at least, by behaving like an Opposition Leader, by trying to almost clinch Tony Abbott on all of these hot button topics he will
be able these hot button be able to avoid might be able to avoid inevitable.Peter, do you think the public would warm to signs of fiscal rectitude?It reminds me of the lead up to the 2010 election sand she was going to fix the boats, I'm going to get the mining tax organised and three years later, the whole situation, even on those particular issues is more of a disaster and quite frankly, is getting a repeat of the way in which these people operate. Don't forget, just on the very basics of this, don't tell me debt is not an issue and my authority for that is the current Labor Government who themselves said only eight months ago, our objective is a surplus because we think it's a really important part of economic policy. That's all gone out the window and the debts are rising day by day and they have got themselves a huge economic problem, all entirely of their making. From the public's point of view, thank heaven's to Peter Costello because he introduced a piece of legislation which Treasury analysis and public presentation of the state of the books. Then throw on top of that, the NBN, completely out of control, running up to $100 billion plus, this place is in serious strive.Let's return now to our top story. now Immigration Minister Tony Burke will travel to Manus Island within days to investigate whether some current inmates have been raped and tortured at the de detention centre. It's the same facility the Federal Government says will house Government asylum seekers who try to reach Australia by boat. The Government's revamped policy has been controversial here to say the least. Our next guest will tell us how it's been received in PNG. Alex Reeney is the editor of the 'Post Courier' the country's high evident selling newspaper. Welcome to The Drum.Thanks for the opportunity.Can you tell us how this deal has been received in Papua New Guinea?The fact that it was actually signed on a Friday in the lead up to the weekend, I think both Governments were able to get away with scrutiny in some way. But from Monday onwards, as the news came out from Australia, there were a lot of Papua New Guineans who were critical, especially on social media, criticising the argument in itself and raising concerns about the secrecy in the lead up to the signing in Brisbane last Friday.What aspects of the agreement have they been critical of?Most aspects of the agreement. I continues
think the fact that Australia continues to have the problem with boat people coming into Australia in large numbers. I think the key issue for a lot of Papua New Guineans is if they get to qualify under the re-settlement program and get to re-settle in Papua New Guinea, how can - do they have access to the sort of services in both maybe health and education and be able to join the queue just like other Papua New Guineans are currently experiencing.Has Peter O'Neill has been able to aswaj any of those concerns? How he has been handling the matter?He has been quite confident since he flew back into Morse by on Monday. He held a press conference with the local media to give them details on the agreement and the fact there will be benefits that will flow on from this agreement he has signed with his colleague, will Kevin Rudd, in Brisbane. One of the - some of the benefits include the upgrade of the hospital, the upgrade of the highway, even Manus which is hosting the current asylum seekers processing facility,. Mr O'Neill is confident the deal is in Papua New Guinea's favour. For his Government and for himself, it's actually all good.It's difficult to assess an overall mood, I know. Have you done any polling. Can you give us any sense whether this has majority support or whether people are grappling to come to terms with this right now?Parliament is conveniently adjourned until September. In a way, that doesn't allow the level of scrutiny that you would expect at the political level to be held on this agreement. So the only Government can get away with that in that respect. We haven't seen much response from the civil society sector. I held over
understand there was a meeting

understand there was held over the weaken which held over the weaken as a result of Papua New Guineans converging on Facebook and Guineans and that's the only one I'm
aware and that's the only one aware of. In terms of real opposition to the O'Neill's initiative with the Rudd Government in Australia, we haven't seen it happening.Given your Opposition Leader called this scheme "Madness", is there a chance it might not last longer than a year?It might not last more than a year. I mean you guys, I mean Australia is about to go into the elections and maybe it will be up to the new Government that gets into Canberra to make a decision on that. Mr O'Neill did highlight the fact that this review will be done on this new agreement in 12 months time and he will explain to Parliament, to the Papua New Guinea Parliament when it sits back in September, the details of this agreement when that was signed, that he signed with his colleague in Australia.What have you been told regarding the costings of the deal and how much additional aid might be given?Good question. Because actually Mr O'Neill has no idea about the actual costings of the whole agreement that was signed in Australia. He did mention the fact that it will be - the Australian Government is actually working on it and from what I understand press release that was sent out by the Australian High Commission, there is is a thing that has been dispatched Commission, there is is a that has been dispatched to the province to look at the hospital as well as to look at the feasibility study and doing costings for the highway up great to immediate Ange. That process has already begun. There will be figures. In terms of giving us set figures, when he made the details to the media on Monday, we don't have a number to give you.Will any of your reporters to be able to view or visit the facilities at of Manus Island. Have you been seeking that permission?I did put a request over to the PM's media unit after the press conference that Peter O'Neill had on Monday. I did highlight the fact that when the facility was last opened in 2002, there was a media tour done of the facility and this was under the auspices of the other Government. I did highlight that, this is a unique opportunity for the media, if there was please one, give us an opportunity to visit the island. That will allay all the fears and misinformation that island. Papua New Guineans might have about the whole facility. But local and international journalists.What are the major questions you will be asking regarding these facilities and this scheme as you cover it, unfolding over the next few months?The big question for me is how fast can the O'Neill Government rule over those services promised to Papua New Guineans. I do understand that Mr Bec is flying to Manus tomorrow. If the process can be able to work fast enough, then tomorrow. Papua New Guineans will be happy. Papua New Guineans are more interested in the level of health services and education services that they will be able to get out of an agreement like this, on top of the Australian aid program that Papua New Guinea is currently enjoying with Australia.Thank you for taking the time to talk to us on The Drum.My pleasure.The New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner has admitted sending lewd texts of himself two years after leaving Congress for doing the same thing. The 48-year-old exchanged intimate photographs with a woman he sought out on Facebook. He said he is surprised the story took this long to come out.I'm responsible for this behaviour that led us to be in this place, but in many ways, things are not that much different than they were yesterday. This behaviour that I did was problematic, to say the least. Destructive to say the most, caused many stresses and strains in my marriage. But I'm pleased and blessed that she has given me a second chance. Standing alongside Anthony Weiner was his wife, Huma Abedin who was an adviser to Weiner it is believe us Hillary Clinton.I it is marriage. We discussed all marriage. We discussed all of this before Anthony decided to run for Mayor. What I want to say I love him, I have forgiven him, I believe in him and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward.It's quite excruciating to watch actually. Scott Stephens, every time a story like this happens, it brings to mind so many Greek myths of hubris and powerful men with feet of clay and idiocy. But the 'New York Times' called it. The editorial board said he should withdraw from the mayoral race:I didn't think his resignation from Congress for the same misdemeanor, I didn't think that was an exaggeration. I I thought that was about right. One of the things he had the capacity to continue to trade on, if I can put it that way, after his first indiscretion, were the good graces of his wife, but also the fact that she stayed out of T that's the real difference between what happened then and what happened today. His wife is standing by his side, thus completing this great American romance with political reception and salvation. Americans are very, very strange. This is part of the political mythos. They don't mind their leaders being fallen. They dined mind great indiscretion ins office. What they do mind is people indiscretion ins office. they do mind is people not fessing up and saying sorry. His wife unfortunately being part of the picture that helps him keep going, even though he shouldn't.It's awful having to watch her go through that. At first she said she was going to go and work and not have to stand by his side. Unfortunately that is all from The Drum. Thanks to Scott Stephens, Peter Reith and Feyi Akindoyeni. 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