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This is 'Afternoon Live' on ABC News 24. Hello. I'm Kim Landers. Our top stories Landers. Our top stories today - more deaths in another asylum seeker boat tragedy, assal gayses of rape and torture at a PNG detention centre plague the Government.To ensure the safety and security of those who are assessed in Papua New Guinea.The allegations of abuse haven't deterred the Government from sending asylum seekers to Manus Island and we will also get more on the latest boat tragedy from our Indonesia correspondent.

This Program is Captioned Live.Also this afternoon, the new prince greets the world, but William and Kate say they're still working on a name for their baby son.Thousands of nurses ral will I in Sydney a mid statewide strikes over staffing issues.And former cricket coach Mickey Arthur locked in a conciliation meeting at the Fair Work Commission over his dismissal. Australia's new hardline asylum seeker policy isn't yet a week old, but the boats are still coming and some of these journeys are still ending in tragedy. Scores of asylum seekers are believed missing after a boat sank off the island of Java in Indonesia. At least three people are confirmed dead. The vessel set out just days after PM Kevin Rudd warned that all asylum seekers would be transferred to Papua New Guinea, and would never be resettled in Australia.Well, for more on this latest asylum seeker tragedy, Indonesia correspondent George Roberts joins me now on the phone from West Java. What are Indonesian authorities saying about the search-and-rescue operation?Well, they've begun to join the search and rescue operation. It was local fishermen who yesterday afternoon began rescuing people from the sea. It wasn't until some time this morning that authorities managed to make it there. It's only just kicked over at noon here in Indonesia, so this rescue operation in so this rescue operation in a
couple of hours or a few hour also be a day old. There are reports of up to 200 people having been on board the boat people on board that boat, with about 167 or thereabouts people being found a live. That still leaves about 8 to 25 or more people who could be dead.And how many bodies have been recovered?Three people have been confirmed dead so far. Among those, the body of a small girl, clutched from the ocean by fishermen and brought a shore. That's what we know at this stage, but obviously they are still searching, and as I said, this boat went down almost 24 hours ago, so as the time ticks on;-the-prospect of finding people a live obviously lessens.How far off the coast did the boat actually cap size?I'm afraid I don't have those exact details. Standing on a mountain pass in the middle of West Java trying to make it to the coast. It's actually quite a treacherous road just trying to get there. It is quite a remote area of the south-west Java coast. It was taking rescue authorities here hours to reach the location where the boat went down, so it's not an easy-to-reach place, off a place call ed Khittun on, along an area where boats have been known to have left on that treacherous journey to make it to Australia over the past few years.Where have these asylum seekers come from, and where are the survivors actually being taken?We've been hearing various reports about the make-up of the demographic of the people on board the boat. Authorities have told us that there is a mixture of Iranians, Sri Lankans, Afghans and Iraqis on board the boat. There are reports coming through that most of the people on board were from Sri Lanka with a number of Iranians, as well, but it won't be until we can make it down there to Chitta-unand another place where we can accurately give you details about that.Finally, George Roberts, can you see any evidence in Indonesia either by word of mouth, advertising and the like that asylum seekers are aware that Australia does have a new policy?Look, we've been speaking to asylum seekers around Puncak area since last Friday and Saturday after at announcement, to sort of gauge what people's reaction was to it there, and word of mouth has spread quite quickly. Since then, when we were there on Monday, a lot of people were there discussing the policy, discussing what it meant for them. Some of the Afghan men that we spoke to there said they had been sitting around all day discussing it and trying to work out what it means for them, what they can do now and what hope they have forever Australia. For the people here, forever getting resettled in there are more Australia. For the people there are more than 10,000
people there are more resettled in Australia only takes 600 people waiting, hoping to get
resettled in Australia only takes a year, Australia only takes 600 people no more people a year, so that makes it no more people arrive, that makes a year, so that makes it - if
no more people arrive, that makes it a 17-year wait to clear makes it a clear all that amount of people who want to get clear all that amount of who want to get resettled. So many of them are saying many of them are saying that - some of many of them are some of them have told us that some this policy doesn't change some of them have told us things, they don't have any other choice, they have to get on a boat. They would rather be in a detention centre run by Australia in Papua New Guinea than stuck here in Indonesia, unable to go back to their home country, unable to move forward anywhere else.George Roberts, thanks for joining us this afternoon.Allegations of abuse among asylum seekers on Manus Island have not shaken the Federal Government's resolve to send more asylum seekers to Papua New Guinea. A former security manager at the Manus processing centre has claimed that men raped one another and immigration authorities did not deal with it. The Australian Government is promising to investigate the claims, but PNG officials say they're not aware of any reports of sexual assaults at the processing centre. Nevertheless, as Narda Gilmore reports, the Immigration Minister Tony Burke is heading to Manus Island for his first inspection of the camp.Manus Island is meant to be part of a solution.It's just become a dark and dirty secret.Rod St George worked there as a security manager. He quit his post in April and has turned whistle blower. He has told SBS's 'Dateline' program the island's detention centre is plagued by abuse, torture and rape, and immigration officials are doing nothing about it.There was nothing that could be done for these young men who were considered vulnerable.Which in is just a euphemism for men who were being raped.He says conditions there are worse than a prison. Attempts at self-harm happen daily and weapons are a prison. Attempts at being stockpiled as tensions build.The detainees are quite open that there will come a time when, whether they will break out and that people will be killed.The Immigration Minister has called the claims horrific and has promised to investigate and make sure conditions are improved. But the Government has no intention of abandoning the Manus Island of option.Even the whistle blower himself wasn't saying shut it down. He was saying it can be fixed and these are the things that can be done to fix it, and that's what I intend to work through. We will work with their authorities to ensure the safety and security of those who are assessed in Papua New Guinea, and furthermore, those, if they are determined to be bona fide refugees, those who would be settled in Papua New Guinea.The Immigration Minister will visit Manus Island and the detention centre in Nauru this week.While Australia wants to expand the Manus Island detention centre so it can accommodate up to 3,000 asylum seekers, there are refugees already in PNG who believe they've been forgotten. West Papua New Guinean refugees at a long established camp in Port Moresby, fear they're PNG
again being overlooked by the PNG Government as asylum seekers from elsewhere in the world are sent there.-the-ABC's Liam Cochrane has visited what's called the Rainbow Camp in Port MoresbyThis camp is home to more than 120 people who have come across the eastern border from Indonesia's Papua and West Papua provinces. Some people living in this camp have been in PNG for more than 30 years. The lives of these people give some idea about how refugee s have been treated in Papua New Guinea in the past. This family has only magged to stay here at Rainbow Camp because it's unwanted land next to a drain. Accommodation is simple, water is limited and electricity is only available at night and they live under constant fear of eviction. Ida is one of the lucky ones, studying grade 12 thanks to studying Papua New Guinean sponsor.
No-one No-one has noticed us here. The it's No-one has noticed us here. it's really unfair what the government is doing Wright now. They are helping people who They are helping people who are totally different skin colour whilst we are the same skin colour as them, which we think it's not right. Sorry to be emotional, but... it really hurts to see my other siblings, they don't go to school.Some of the people feel it's unfair that so much attention has been given to people trying to get to Australia by boat, when they've been left to languish. Now let's take a look at some of the other stories of the following today with Kathryn Stolarchuk.Thanks, Kim. Good afternoon. Thousands of nurses have walked off the job to join a mass rally in Sydney over patient-to-staff ratios in NSW hospitals. Nurses say patient care is being prom pro miced and lives are at risk. Brigid Glanville reports.There are 2,000 nurses and midwives from across NSW who have come to the rally here. They say it's the second time in 10 years that they've gone on strike and the reason they're doing it is because they say that the O'Farrell Government in NSW has not been listening to them when it comes to improving patient care. They say that the nurse-to-patient ratios, which are supposed to be one nurse to four patients, are not being met across all wards in all hospitals, and that patients are being put have been a variety of stories from people from have been a variety of from people from major teaching hospitals in Sydney to small country towns saying that they've simply had enough and that patients are dying and patients are missing out.Without having the right amount of nurses on a ward, our patients miss out on necessity things like pressure area care, so they end up with severe bed sores on their bodies, or we have people who die, we have lots of things go wrong.A number of different nurses that
we've spoken to, some very junior, some very experienced. The experienced ones say they will leave the industry. The junior ones say it was not the industry that they thought they were coming intoAs a young midwife, I won't stay. You will lose a midwife and you will lose a nurse. A lot of people are doing the same in this profession, so something has to change.They've also asked for a 2.5% pay rise but they say that that's not the most important thing, that they just want to be able to go to work and do their job. The NSW Government says that they are committed to improving patient care and 4,000 extra nurses, frontline nurses v been employed since the Government was elected just over two years ago. The Opposition says that's simply not the case. Many of those are part-time, and that you only need to go into a hospital to realise that the nurse-to-patient ratios are not being met. Today, they will be discussing any further industrial action unless the O'Farrell Government comes to the party and talks to the nurses.A senior Catholic Church official has admitted he didn't tell police about paedophile activity the party priests despite urging dozens of them to resign. Father Brian Lucas is giving evidence at an inquiry into clergy sexual abuse in the Hunter Valley. Lucy McNally is there.Father Brian Lucas is the Secretary-General of the Australian Bishops Conference. He is the most senior man in the Church to give evidence to the Cunneen inquiry here in Newcastle so far. His background is legal. He was became a priest trained as a became trained as a lawyer and he
became a priest in 1980. 8 years later he became a priest in 1980. years later he was involved in the establishment of a years later he was involved committee that was set up to the establishment of deal with priests who committee that was set deal with priests who had had
allegations deal with priests who allegations of sexual abuse made against them. He has told the inquiry made against them. the inquiry that he dealt the inquiry that he persuading them to give up about 35 different job and leave the persuading them to give job and leave the ministry, but
he has persuading them to give up the
job and leave he has been asked he has been asked at length about qul - about why he didn't about qul - about why take these matters to the police. He said that the main thing was that once these men were no longer priests, they didn't have access to children, however, Counsel Assisting Julia Lonergan has really pushed hill on this and said surely these men could go to playgrounds and hand out lollies and have access to children in other ways. He is going to be giving evidence for the rest of the day and more tomorrow. He is a very important witness and there are many people here to see him today.Mickey Arthur and Cricket Australia are meeting for conciliation talks in Sydney to try to resolve the former Australian cricket coach's unfair dismissal claim. Mickey Arthur was sacked on the eve of the Ashes series in England after the team's string of poor performances on and off the field. Is he now suing Cricket Australia for $4 million for unfair dismissal. If a resolution isn't found today, the case could end up in court which would mean more damaging details about disharmony in the Australian team like those leaked last week.Victoria's police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has conceded the State's parole system in broke. Commissioner Lay was responding to reports the husband of murdered ABC staffer Jill Meagher has demanded an apology from the Parole Board for releasing his wife's killer. Mr Meagher has released two emails he sent to the board, questioning the decision that allowed Adrian Ernest Bayley to remain free. He called the board members cowards in the second email after his first one was ignored. Last week Adrian Ernest Bayley appealed the 35-year he was given for the rape and
murder murder of Jill Meagher last September.Notorious child killer Derek Percy has died in a Melbourne hospital killer Derek Percy a Melbourne hospital without
revealing any new information about past crimes he is suspected of committing. The 64-year-old suffered from lung cancer and died in the early hours of this morning. Percy was declared criminally insane in 1969 over the abduction and in killing of 12-year-old Yvonne Tuohy. He was also a suspect in other infamous child murders, including the disappearance of 7-year-old Linda Stilwell in 1968 and the three Beaumont children in Adelaide in 1966. Percy was Victoria satisfies longest serving inmate. To the markets:


And I will be back with more news soon, Kim.The new Prince of Cambridge is spending his first night tucked in at the family home in Kensington Palace. The world got its first glimpse of the third in line for the British throne as he left hospital in the arms of his proud parents, William and Kate. Here is Europe correspondent Mary Gearin.A royal revealed, and about a thousand waiting well wishers were June 'Last Post'. At just over a day old, the latest heir to the House of Windsor made his first public appearance. The future King seemed oblivious to the attention, but his father said he is already making himself heard.Well, he has got a good pair of lungs on him, that's for sure. He is a big boy, quite heavy, but we're still working on a name. So we'll have that as soon as we k but the first time we've seen him really, so having a proper chance to catch up.These royals whose popularity is widely seen as the key to the monarchy's future, spoke of experiences common to manyMany emotional. It's very emotional, such a special time, as any parent who know what this feeling feels likeVery special. He has her lips, thankfully. No, no.And then they were asked about the baby's hairObviously way more than me, thank God. Thanks a lot. Thank you.For the people who had waited hours and even days to see the couple, it was a pivotal moment.Just fantastic. I've never experienced anything like it. Have you? No. So exciting and so pleased to see Kate and the baby and obviously William, tooFantastic. It was a great moment. I was in tears and I was whistling and hip, hip hooray for them.Earlier in the day, both sets of grandparents had paid visits.He is absolutely beautiful. They are both doing really well and we're so thrilled. REPORTER: How are the parents doing?Fabulously.Meanwhile, Britain put on a typical of pageant tri-.Two separate gun salutes heralded the prince's arrival.And the bells of Westminster Abbey rang for more than three hours. Best wishes continue to arrive from all corners, including William's workmates. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) .As the nation celebrates this both public and private milestone.And so starts a life of intense scrutiny for this
newest of intense scrutiny for the family will retreat newest royal. For now, some privacy. the family some the family will retreat for first-time attempt at some privacy.After a first-time attempt at a car
seat, first-time attempt seat, the family was off to seat, the family was off Kensington Palace..One media appearance Kensington Palace..One appearance down, so many to go. appearance down, so many to Nowhere has the royal baby been celebrated more than in the village where the village where the Duchess of Cambridge grew up. They were up all night in Bucklebury in Berkshire and the party has only just begun.Who knows what time he was born yesterday afternoon?They've been following every detail here at Bucklebury Primary, and they're proud their village has played a part in royal history.Maybe some of you sitting in the front here will be able to watch him being crowned King of England. Won't that be exciting? Perhaps you will remember small in school, you will
remember the day that he was born. (Giggles)S that a big smile.No sign of tierdness at the school drop-off this morning, despite a very late night.Everybody takes Kate right into their hearts, and William. She is a local girl, she uses the local pub when she is here, uses the shops, so people feel like slightly like they own her, I guess, but in a kind way. She is allowed to be her own person when she is here, so that's really nice. People respect her privacy.That privacy is now being very closely guarded. Look, in the lanes around the Middletons' home here there is suddenly very obvious security because this is where Kate and her baby son are expected to spend time in the next few
weeks.Congratulations.And on Anglesea, this from Prince William's RAF search and rescue mates.William, I hope you enjoy your paternity leave and we'll see you on shift soon. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) .Along the North Wales coast where the prince works, we found excitement and a little baby fatigue.The first 15 pages of my newspaper which irritated me absolutely dreadfully. It's just too much. And now Elysse Morgan joins us for business and finance news. The chance of an interest rate cut next month is falling?Yes, it is, after we saw the inflation print today. The figures show consumer prices aren't rising as much as expected. The Bureau of Statistics shows headline inflation rose by 0.4% in the three months to June, that's below the half a expected and puts the below the half a percent expected and puts the annual rate at 2.4% which is down from the previous rate at 2.4% the previous quarters and well within the Reserve the within the Reserve Bank's
target range. For more, I'm now target range. For more, joined by target range. For more, I'm joined by Citi economist Josh Williams. Thanks for your time. Thank you.The, the rate cut back is around 50% next month. Why is that?The market has got it right in my opinion, but the reason thaef done that is one of the important measures of underlying inflation was a little bit higher than what was expected and that's muddied the waters for market participants and really brought them back to sitting on the fence, so he there is no guarantee now, whereas previously the expectation s were that the Reserve Bank would deliver a rate cut in August.So what was different during the month from what the market and economists were expecting?Well, the headline measure came in slightly under what was expected. But the Reserve Bank looks at the two measures - the trim mean and the weighted. There are two ways of stripping out volatile price rises to get at the underline trend if you like. The trim mean came in at 0.5 but the weighted mean that came in at 0.7. If you annualise that, that comes out at 2.8% which is close tore the top of the Reserve Bank's target band than the middle, so he it may give the Reserve Bank some pause to actually reconsider cutting rates, and this is where the confusion has come from. Will the Reserve Bank give that more weight? Will they look at the trim mean? Or will they, as we believe they should, look at other measures going on in the Australian economy and also abroad and factor that into consideration.Of course, very shortly after we had our own inflation figures, the PMI figures out of the China by HSBC which is really a gauge of manufacturing activity there and very poor, coming in at an 11-month low. Do you think the RBA will put that heavily into their consideration?I think that will be considered by the RBA board when they meet in two weeks' time. We've seen data in China indicate that activity is slowing and that officials in China are seeking to Rynne in the excess growth in credit there. So probably downside to growth over the next 6-12 months. China is our major export market and that should definitely be considered by the Reserve Bank.If we take a look at the inflation figures now, what were the biggest price rises that we saw during the quarter?It was a little bit interesting because we've heard anecdotally there is more reports of discounting by retailers to try to get more custom through the doors of their stores, but we saw things like men's, women's and infants clothing and footwear was up strongly, we also saw an increase in vegetable prices which was on the back of some poor seasonal growing conditions, so they were sort of not expected in the result today and certainly helped to push that rise higher.Do you think there is now evidence of inflation pressure in the housing market now because we've seen rents and prices rise consistently now?Rents have consistently been above the general pace of overall inflation for probably 4-5 years now, and that's something that is not really new. In terms of generally, they have been terms of house prices more generally, they have strong for some time now, and I strong for some think this is reflecting strong for some time now, and fact that think this is fact that population growth has
actually picked fact that actually picked up, but the pace actually pace of new construction actually hasn't, so this is a construction actually so this is a response to the so this is a response to fact that we do actually have
demand fact that we do demand for dwellings
outstripping the fact that we do actually have
demand the only way outstripping the only way that can be fixed is outstripping the supply, and
the only way that can be fixed is with reform at governmental
level. Unfortunately, is with reform level. Unfortunately, it's not really level. really something the Reserve
Bank can help level. Unfortunately, it's not Bank can help with, although they obviously have to factor that into their considerations.Overall, what is this print today telling us about the Australian economy?Well, it's telling us that prices are, as you mentioned at the start there, within the Reserve Bank's target range. They're certainly not spiraling out of control, but the big thing is but the big thing is whether that's consistent with the Reserve Bank rate cut. I also think the data out today shows that there are still some pockets of the Australian economy that aren't actually performing as well as they should, and that's been reflected in other data as well, but on balance, I think the policy of leefrt regret for the Reserve Bank, given everything else we know about the Australian economy and what's happening overseas, is they probably shut still cut rates in August.Just quickly, do you think they will?Yes, we do.Joshua Williamson, thanks for your time todayYou're welcome.To the details of Chinese figures out today, the key manufacturing index has fallen to an 11-month low. The leading index by HSBC which focuses on small and medium-sized factories dropped to a level of 47.7 in July, showing it is contracting. It has sent the Australian dollar tumbling and put a squeeze on resource stocks.So taking a look at the figures now and after rising higher than 93 US cents on the back of the inflation dat ta, the Australian dollar tumbled on the back that have Chinese print and now sitting around 92.5 and down against the other major currencies as well. The Australian share market also print, but then scaled back jumped following the inflation those gains and print, but then those gains and now sitting up around a third of a percent or up by 17 points. Taking a look now across the US overnight. The focus of the market really was on earnings, and it was a relatively flat finish there. After the closing bell, Apple announced a third quarter profit. And gold is still holding above the 1300 US an ounce mark, really finding support as we see a fall in the US dollar as well. Tapis rising and West Texas Crude set the scene overnight by rising as well. Kim, I will be back next hour with more business and finance.Thank you. A new report indicates Australian prisoners have much higher rates of mental and physical health issues than the general population. Almost one in three inmates were found to have a chronic disease and half had a history of illness, but researchers were surprised to find that many prisoners reported that their health actually improved while they were inside.The study has found that rates of physical and mental illness among inmates are higher than the wider community. Up to 20% of prisoners tested positive to both hepatitis B and C. A quarter were referred for mental health assessments on arrival in jail, but surprisingly, 37% of inmates reported their health improved while they were locked up.Some of these people, it is really the first opportunity that they've had to actually come into contact with treatment services or mechanisms to manage some of the conditions that they're facing.More than 25% of prisoners also said their mental health improved while in jail. It is a common scenario for those who have fallen through the gaps of the health and welfare system on the outside.When they transition from prison to community, it's really, really hard so we've certainly had the experience of having clients have done crimes so he they can end up back in prison.The research also shows that prisoners take more risks with their health than other Australians. 8 out of 10 smoke, 7 out of 10 had used illicit drugs in the previous 12 months.Plenty of temptations on the streets for prisoners who are fresh out of jail. Drugs and alcohol are readily available but sometimes services are in short supply. That's a dangerous combination for those lacking support. Henry spent drugs charges. He Henry spent 5 years in jail on drugs charges. He says prison
is drugs charges. He is the wrong place for people suffering is the wrong place for suffering mental illness and addiction.People with mental issues, they addiction.People with issues, they just like to lock them up and throw away the key because they're too much because they're too much of a problem, but these people actually need help.Researchers plan to carry out further studies to get a more detailed picture of the health of people in jail..Time to check the weather now and cold, frosty mornings will be widespread in the coming days, Graham.Yes, most states and territory as effected will see frost from Atherton Tablelands in Queensland, all the way down from Victoria, Tasmania and across to parts of WA over the next day or two. All in a association with very cold air that has moved through the south-eastern states and up into Queensland, and also another cold mass moving into WA at the moment. As we move into evening, skies are clearing and that's leading to the loss of what little daytime heating there has been and that sees fairly widespread frosts under this high pressure system. This frontal system did trigger decent falls about the west coast, but did trigger the west coast, but it's the west coast, weakening as it moves further east and as it run noose this high t will be pushed south, so we're expecting very little from that over the coming days, but the high pressure system is leading to mostly clear sky as cross the south-east. High-level cloud will move through, but during the morning, widespread frosts in Victoria, Tasmania, SA and into NSW, but very little in the way of rainfall across these regions. So frosts through the south-east, particularly through the inland, even in through the western parts of Sydney, Kim.Well, the Federal Environment Minister says an imminent election campaign will not affect his decision on whether to approve a $20 million mine project in ta. Last week Last week the Federal Court
found that the former Environment Minister Tony Burke didn't take into account the impact that abopen-cut mine in the Tarkine region would have on the Tasmanian devil. The current Minister Mark Butler is in Tasmania z today to discuss the draft deal which he says will be given by the end of the week. The minister says 7-10 days is a reasonable time in which to make a decisionThe reap that Minister Burke took that period of time to make that decision involved at accumulation of material over that period as well. I have all the material in front of me. It's taken quite some hours to get through it, but there is no new material that needs to be accumulated or gathered over that period of time, so really it is a question of me being able to find the time to work my way through it, to seek a briefing from the department so I can question them about impaths, or particular aspects that have material, and then as I said, be able to take soundings from local interest groups to get their perspective. I'm very confident that it's legally open to me to do this over 7-10 days. It would be open to me AVCon sulttation with other parties to make the decision in any event. My overriding concern is to make this decision according to the criteria set out in the Act with all the information before me being properly considered, not the election timing or any other those matters bearing on my
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Another boat carries asylum seekers bound for Australia have sunk off Indonesia. At least three people are confirmed dead. The vessel set out just days after PM Kevin Rudd warned all asylum seekers would be transferred to Papua New Guinea and would never be resettled in Australia. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are spending their first night at home with their new son. The third in line to the throne has made his first public appearance on the steps of St Mary's Hospital in London. Prince William says the yet unnamed son has a good pair of lungs, his mother's good looks and more hair than his father.The NSW Government says it has given the nurses a pay rye, but doesn't support the need for increases in nurse-to-patient ratios in hospital wards.And Mickey Arthur is in the conciliation meetings, suing Cricket Australia for $4 million.Predicting violent storms more accurately, even days in advance could soon be a reality. The Brisbane floods, the inland tsunami in Queensland's Lockyer Valley, the Christmas Day thunderstorms in Melbourne two years ago they're all examples of some of the severe weather that has been experienced in this country in recent years. A team of researchers from Queensland and Victoria now says that data collected during the past few years could be used to give weather forecasters a more accurate picture of how and when destructive storms can occur. Utesing mathematical models, perhaps, researchers are hopeful to get a better understanding of the early warning signs. To explainal of this I'm joined by Professor Roger Stone, from the University of southern Queensland, climatologist and vf involved in this research. All of us are interested in the weather, but few of us understand how forecasts work. How are you hoping to get better forecasts of these storms?Well, as you pointed out, Seussing sophisticated radars not only in south East Queensland but in other parts of Australia to put together to provide better understanding of just how these massive storms develop. We have some understanding, but oddly enough there is still a fairway to go to understand exactly what causes these massive storms that produce so much damage in. Parts of Australia.So what data have you been collecting and what are you hoping it shows?Two parts to the data. One is actually in the cloud itself. Similar to a CAT scan, looking at a human body which has a disease or so on, you're slicing through that body to find various mechanism s that are going on, little quirks and processes taking place. Same with very sophisticated weather radars that can slice through these severe storms and get a better understanding of what's going on inside there. Tiny changes to the updrafts, small changes to the structures of the storm and what are the main triggers that produce the rellie severe cells? So looking within the cell but also looking at the atmosphere before the storm forms, what conditions are in the upper atmosphere, we have some idea but perhaps not enough to feed into these new sophisticated weather models that maybe able to give us a day or so warning.Have you been able to get any clues so far?Well, understanding the better processes going on within the cells, yes. Oddly the cloud cells, yes. Oddly enough, almost a strange the cloud seeding research we've done almost a strange outcome, from
the cloud we've done in Australia over the cloud seeding research the past few years, that has we've done in Australia led to better the past few years, that led to better understanding of
what goes on inside these what goes on inside cells. The main interest is what actually happens inside these massive, almost majestic cells that form in summer cells that form in summer and spring in Australia, and that led us to a better understanding of how we could use cloud seeding for coming drought periods and the by-product that has led to this.Because at the moment, the weather bureau can't actually give us an accurate warning, not until the thunderstorms have actually formed?Yes, they have been doing good work in the research centre looking a day or so ahead working through the numerical weather products, as they're called. So this new information will feed into the models and then this feedback loop going on, which could then provide the advanced warning, maybe 12-24 hours. That sort of information is increedably valuable, we think to the emergency services but also to the insurance companies helping to pay for this.How quickly do you think you might be able to get this research done and have these better models so we do have more warning?My personal guess, two or three years, so maybe not this summer, but there is good work going on in the bureau and the Monash University and so on, and in the US, so it's this cooperative work that we hope will give us advanced warning. That will help us all, we think.The irony is we've had some very terrible weather events that has actually helped you start to gather some of this data?Yes, that's true and again the insurance groups know this. They know some of the biggest insurance losses in Australia and in places in the US are associated with these storms, so those losses can't continue the way they are. We have to have a better understanding for what's going on, but also the loss of life that has occurred in my part of the world, aren't Grantham and Toowoomba region, the Brisbane region, we have to do a better job and this is what it's about.Severe storms aren't common in Australia. Why do you think we haven't been able to got a better handle on predicting them?Partly these big commuter models but also the big breakthrough is the advance in weather radars, what are called dual dopla radars so we can slice through these events, a better understanding of what's going on inside and that's been a major breakthrough. Putting that together, it's masses of data we have to sift through, but that's the secret.Professor Roger Stone, good luck with the research. Thank you for joining usThank you.Kevin Rudd has appointed Mike Kelly as Australia's next deaf de-Minister if Labor wins the upcoming election. Dr Kelly is an Iraq war veteran, the current Minister for Defence Materiel. Lyndal Curtis spoke to Dr Kelly a short time ago.Mike Kelly, welcome to 'Capital Hill'. The PM said this morning that if Labor wins the election to your seat, he would like to see you as Defence Minister. 8 of the last 9 Defence ministers had that portfolio as the last one they had in government. Joel Fitzgibbon is the only one who has gone onto another ministerial job. If you manage to jump over all the hurdles of the ifs involved in that equation, would you be expecting that Defence Ministry would be your last one? Look, I'm tremendously honoured that the PM has expressed his confidence in me for that position. Certainly as you've indicate thrd are quite a few hurdles before we get. There I have to retain my own seat, we have to retain government and certainly is also relies on Caucus endorsing my position in the Executive. Look, a tremendous privilege to serve in this portfolio. I would be very happy and honoured to continue to serve in it in that capacity T would be enormous privilege and pinnacle of my professional career. Certainly I have a deep passion for the organisation and for the men and women that serve in it with over a quarter of a century of experience now in every aspect of the organisation, so, we will see what happens after the election, but certainly I would love to continue my work and the great set of reforms and security policies that this Government has put in place.We night go through a few of those ifs now. The seat of Eden-Monaro is usually one of the bellwether seats. Do you think you can hang onto it?Certainly I know the feedback I'm getting on the ground is that they are very responsive and happy with the polities that we've implemented. Health was their number one concern and we've in vift - invested $329 million in addressing the health infrastructure deficit that was left to us by the Howard Government. regional Government. A brand new Primary health care regional hospital in Bega. Primary health care facilities, new super clinics in Jindabyne and Queanbeyan and new super clinics and Queanbeyan the refurbishment and upgrade of facilities in Ma ruia. They really want the full rollout of the NBN, and benefitting greatly from a clean energy package. A lot at stake in this election and my community stands to lose tremendously if those policies aren't delivered on, so I go et that response from the community. There is a strong dislike of Mr Abbott is also resonating out there and reflected back to me, so I think we're in with a good chance T will take a lot of hard work and as always very tough in Eden-Monaro.And will it be tough for Labor to win the election? Whilst you may have risen to the opinion polls to some extent, if you look at the electoral maps where you need to win seats, it is still a difficult ask, isn't it?Absolutely. If you look at the way Mr Abbott has conducted politics in this country in the last three years t has been very hard to counteract. It has so...But hasn't the Labor Party played its own role in having your own problems as well? It's not entire lir been the Opposition, has it?Oh, certainly the stresses and pressures of being a reformist government in the face of such negativism has created the odd internal tension, but the policies have remained solid, the policies have been delivered, the policies are the right policies for the future of this country. Really, the most important issue in this election is not even the people who will be voting, but the people who aren't old enough to vote. The investment in their education, the investment in defeating the impacts of climate change and creating the new economy, enabling them to have a bright future through the full rollout of the NBN, it's absolutely critical. So policy will determine this election, I have no doubt. As soon as we start getting into proper debates and proper discussions of policy, then the Coalition will be shown to be the man behind the curtain no substance whatsoever.If I
could ask you no substance could ask you a question, a couple of policy questions could ask you a question, couple of policy questions in your own area of responsibility, is Defence still looking at buying drones for use in bord he patrol work, border protection work?Certainly we've got a very determined and solid plan in creating maritime capacity going forward, a tremendous ship-building program, our engagement in Joint Strike Fighter project with which we're trying to leverageage $7.5 billion work in this country, but in future, we will need to also investigate unmanned platforms of all kinds across the three services and across environments. We'll also need to dominate the electromagnetic spectrum and look at the best platforms for achieving that, and importantly, of course n network centric warfare, all of our platforms, from satellite to soldier will need to be integrated and networked, so those are the things we are focusing on. Unmanned platforms will play a role in that respect. I've watched how ow mediumal 'tude UAVs have served us so well in Afghanistan, at the tactical shadow and scan Eagle products have been didding a great product for us. It's not a question of if or why, but sorts of platforms and managing those in the context of the Defence capability plan.There is a report in the 'West Australian' newspaper is that the Afghanistan Government is charging countries trying to get their military equipment out of Afghanistan an exit fee, despite the fact that they were supposed to be exempt from any Customs duties. Is that the case and do you have any idea how much it could cost Australia to get military equipment out?Well, most of equipment is taking place by air, so a very small impact should there be any border charge regimes in place, and certainly we've only had very small transfer affected by that at the moment T will not really impact on the budget we've allocated for that remediation drawdown process T comes from the overall allocation of $840 dollar for Operation Slipper T will be managed within that context and it does not give us concern.If I could ask now about the broader Defence Department, what do you think the challenges are for Defence as the commitment to Afghanistan draws to a close?Well, obviously we need to make sure that we get our people out of Afghanistan in good order, as safely and certainly if we successfully as possible, and certainly if we were to win this election, and I continue in certainly if we were to this in the portfolio, that this election, and in the portfolio, that would be
my primary in the portfolio, my primary focus, on the my primary focus, on the safety and success of our personnel and of course looking to the fou tour, the engagement and framework of Afghanistan ensuring our comfort in that respect.But also as we re-or Tate towards the types of challenges, types of situations Defence Force may face in the future, we know certainly they will be need to be responsiblive to the challenges thrown up by climate change and amplified disasters, we will need to maintain our effort in terms of delivering the essential and agile and flexible capabilities that our Defence Force and nation will need. We need to continue to harness and hone our ability to do civil military planning and management across these complex multi-dimensional style operations, and also importantly to continue the great work that the current Defence Minister is engaged in, in creating and building the right culture within our Defence Force, teaming up with our wonderful Defence leadership to ensure we maintain the wonderful traditions and heritage that we have in our uniformed personnel.Mike Kelly, thank you very much for your time.Thanks, Lyndal. Cheers.Time now for sport with Amy Hetzel. A huge night ahead once more for soccer fansThat's right, Kim. Melbourne is a sea of red today as fans and players prepare for tonight's match between Liverpool and Melbourne Victory at the MCG. A crowd of 95,000 is expected at the game and the Reds have already been acquainted with a strong showing from their fan base at training last night.Victory coach and long-time Liverpool supporter Ange Postecoglou says he is hoping for a strong fight from his side, but realise it is will be a huge test.The 12th placed Brisbane Lions set to face their biggest
challenge so far this season without two challenge without two of their biggest stars. Injured Jonathan Brown and Simon Black are yet to receive medical clearance to play Port Adelaide on Sunday. It is a big game on Sunday against Port. A fantastic win on the weekend and looked like they would get overrun, but they're playing with a huge amount of confidence and they've grow a leg compared to last year.Meantime, Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley is lamenting the decision not to al gait - not to allocate Gary Ablett a tagger.49 and 2 goals, at the end, maks a big difference. Clearly the standout performer on the field.Brad Scott says his side is relishing his tough run home this season that will see the Kangaroos face four of the 8 top sidesAll this season we've been working on playing a style of footy that we think will beat the best in the competition. Nothing changes from that perspective. We don't sit there and analyse the ladder like a lot of supporters do, but analyse the style of footy we're playing.Roger Federer will, for the first time, begin his Australian Open preparations at the Brisbane International. The world nor 5 was today unveiled as a starter at the tournament after a long series of negotiations with tournament director Cameron Pearson.Roger transcends the sport. He is certainly not only the global superstar on the court, but also off the court with his humanitarian work, and I think it is going to be a tremendous boon not only for the event and for the fans of tennis, but also for tourism here in Queensland.Federer won his last Grand Slam in Wimbledon in 2012 and claimed the most recent of his four Australian Open crown-of-thorns in 2010. It will be the first time he has been in Queensland since he was on holiday as a 14-year-old.Australia's former netball captain Sharelle McMahon has announced her retirement. The 35-year-old returned after two years away from the sport due to motherhood and injury to play in 13 of the Melbourne Vicks sense' 15 games last season. McMahon has won three World Championships and two Commonwealth Games gold medals with Australia and played in 118 Test matches.I do know that this is not just a decision for me, it's not just me stepping away from it, it's my family stepping away it. It's my close friends stepping away from t and that's hard.I'm still definitely go - definitely going to be involved in netball, you won't get rid of me that easily, and I've been involved in netball ever since I could walk, basically, and I certainly will continue that.And it's one year today until the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow next year, Kim. I know it's come around quickly and unfortunately for the Diamonds, Sharelle won't be there, but still definitely going out on a highExactly. Thanks, Amy. 10 people have been killed in clashes between supporters and opponents of Egypt's deposed President. Cars were torched, shots fired and stones thrown when backers of President Mohamed Morsi were attacked while staging a sit-in protest targeted by demonstrators say they targeted by rooftop snipers and blamed the killings targeted by rooftop snipers blamed the killings on thugs
sent blamed the sent by the Interior Ministry. sent by The Morsi sent by the Interior The Morsi family said they will take The Morsi family said take legal action. Egypt's leadership says he has been kept in a safe place for his own good.American politician an thon ny Weiner has admitted sending more lewd messages and photographs. Mr Wooener in is now trying to become the Democratic nominee to contest the election for the mayor of New York. He has acknowledged the messages are genuine and some of them were sent after his resignation. These things that I did were wrong and hurtful to my wife and caused us to go through many challenges in our marriage that extended past my resignation from Congress.His wife is standing by her husband. He says he will continue his campaign to be New York mayor.Celebrations have begun to commemorate the 10th anniversary of RAMSI, the Australian led regional assistance to Solomon Islands. Foreign Minister Bob Carr was among those who paid tributeI pay tribute to the Australian servicemen today because they did a good, professional job when the medals I behalf of Australia can be worn with pride on Anzac with pride on Anzac Day.The official ceremony will take place official place in Honiara and will last three days.RAMSI was responsible for the breakdown of law and order tensions in 2003. Heading into the close of the markets, the ASX200 is up around a third of a percent. Down from earlier highs after a disappointing Chinese manufacturing report was released. The Australian dollar has also come under pressure as a result and it's buying around 92.5 US cents.Time to check the weather now and the daytime temperatures might be improving but the mornings are going to be a bit cold, Graham?Yes, they are, Kim, and widespread as well. Atherton Tablelands in Queensland, all the way down the eastern seaboard and parts of SA and WA, looking at frost over the next day or two. Quite a strong cold front move through WA overnight, triggering high rainfall along parts of the west coast, but as it's moved inland, it is weakening. Running up against a high pressure system which will push it south. So although cloud moving into the east, any rainfall with it will dissipate before it moves through. Very little influence from this system as it moves further east, about you there is another front set to move up late tomorrow or into Friday and that will will into the eastern states by the
end of the weekend. This high pressure system that is leaving in its wake very cold air and light winds and with clear skies overnight, expecting temperatures to drop
substantially through the evening, very frosty conditions in the morning but mild daytime temperatures and temperatures pushing back to average as we move into the afternoon. Very little rainfall in association with that band moving through. The rain gets pushed through to the south and some of that high cloud will move through. Perhaps an isolated shower about parts of the Queensland coast with an onshore wind flow. To the temperatures, widespread frost anywhere through the south-east and inland. The inland of Queensland through to the Atherton Tablelands, through SA into potentially WA, although more inland areas of the State likely to see those frosts. As we move into Friday, little change through that scenario. In the south-east, very cold morning. Next front will to keep it milder over WA, once again widespread rainfall developing, very little in the way of rain across the south-east, just onshore winds triggering very isolated exposed coastal shower through Queensland. The forecast for Friday, quite a mild afternoon on the way through the south-eastern states, widespread frosts through the inland.You're watching 'Afternoon Live' on ABC News 24 and when we come back, a closer look at allegations of rape and torture look at allegations of torture of asylum seekers at the Manus torture of asylum the

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This is Afternoon Live on ABC News 24. Hello, I'm Kim Landers. Our top story today - a little girl among at least three people dead and up to 24 people missing as another Australia-bound asylum seeker boat goes down at sea. Asylum seekers are also involved in reports of rape and torture at the Manus Island Detention Centre in PNG. We'll speak with an expert in human rights, migration and asylum policies. Also this afternoon - waiting on a name, the royal baby is yet to be given one after spending his first night at home. Safety concerns cause thousands of nurses to walk off the job in Sydney. And outback fly-in, thousands of galahs descend on a far west Queensland town. Australia's newest hardline asylum seeker policy isn't yet a week old, but the boats are still coming and some of these journeys are still ending in tragedy. Scores of asylum seekers are believed missing after a boat sank off the island of Java in Indonesia. At least three people are confirmed dead. The vessel set out days after Prime Minister Kevin Rudd warned all asylum seekers would be transferred to Papua New Guinea, and would never be resettled in Australia. Our Indonesia correspondent George Roberts says it took authorities hours to reach the remote location near where the boat caped. Local fishermen yesterday afternoon rescuing people from the seas. yesterday afternoon began It wasn't rescuing people from the It wasn't until some time this morning It morning that authorities
managed to make It wasn't until some time this morning managed to make it there. It's
just clicked over at just clicked over at noon here in Indonesia and so this rescue operation in a couple of hours or a few hours will be a day old. There are reports that up to 200 people were on the boat. Somewhere between 175 and 200 people on board that boat with about 167 or thereabouts people being found alive. That still leaves 8 to 25 or more people who could be dead. And how many bodies have been recovered? Three people have been confirmed dead so far. Among those the body of a small girl. Taken from the ocean and brought ashore, that's all we know at this stage, but they are still searching. This boat went down almost 24 hours ago. As the time ticks on, the prospect of finding people alive lessens. Allegations of abuse amongst asylum seekers on Manus Island have not taken the Government's resolve to send more people to Papua New Guinea. Immigration authorities did not deal with it. The Australian Government is promising to investigate the claims, but PNG officials say they're not aware of any reports of sexual assaults at the processing centre. Nevertheless, as Nadia Gilmore reports, the Immigration Minister Tony Burke is heading to Manus Island for his first inspection of the camp. Manus Island is meant to be part of a solution. It's just become a dark and dirty secret. Rodney Eade worked there as a security manager -- Rod St George St George worked there in April and has turned He told the 'Dateline' program the centre is plagued by He told the 'Dateline' the centre is plagued by abuse, torture and the centre is torture and rape and immigration officials are doing nothing about it. There was nothing that could be done for these young men who were considered vulnerable... which in many cases is a euphimism for men being raped. He says conditions are worse than a prison. Attempts at self-harm happen daily and weapons are being stockpiled as tensions build. The detainees are quite open that there will come a time where they will break out and people will be killed. The Immigration Minister's called the claims horrific and has promised to investigate and make sure conditions are improved. But the Government has no intention of abandoning the Manus Island option. Even the whistleblower himself wasn't saying shut it down. He was saying it can be fixed and these are the things that can be done to fix it and that's what I intend to work through. We will work with their authorities to ensure the safety and security of those who are cease-fired in Papua New Guinea and furthermore, those who are determined to be bona fide refugees, those who would be resettled in Papua New Guinea. The Immigration Minister will visit Manus Island and the detention centre in Nauru this week. To discuss all of these developments, I'm joined now by Dr Claudia Tazreiter, a senior lecture of sociology at the University of NSW. Her research focuses on human rights, migration and asylum policies. The boats keep on coming. There's been another sinking. The Prime Minister says "Well, it's to be expected, people-smugglers will test Australia's resolve" , do you think that's what's happening? No, I don't think that is actually what's going on. I think the Government knows full well as does the Opposition that this is a global issue. Asylum seekers and refugee flows are a global issue and whatever the policy settings and whatever punitive approaches the Australian Government takes is not going to stop crises and the causes of violence, the root causes of violence of violence, the root violence that cause refugee flows. of violence, the root causes of violence flows. So I do think it's a shame that flows. So I do think shame that such a punitive shame policy setting has been taken by the Government. I was speaking earlier this afternoon to our Indonesia correspondent George Roberts and he says speaking to asylum seekers who are in Indonesia, in Java, he says they still feel it's better to go to an Australian-run camp, even if it's in PNG than to stay in limbo in Indonesia? Yes, and I think this is what the Government does have a responsibility to speak to the Australian public about the sorts of things that refugees are fleeing from rather than necessarily fearmongering and calling asylum seekers illegals and labelling them as security risks. Because we know full well, and the Government knows as does the Opposition that people are fleeing from violence and persecution that leads them to take these very fraught journeys and unsafe journeys in boats and those things are not necessarily going to stop just because of a more onerous and punitive policy setting from Canberra. Overnight we've heard horrific allegations of rape and torture among asylum seekers at Manus Island. If it wasn't for a whistleblower, do you think the fact that asylum seekers are now being processed in Manus and Nauru, that they're out of sight, out of mind for the Australian public? I think that's right and I think this report that's come through and the allegations are very troubling and they should be troubling to the Australian putting people at risk who public, because we are clearly putting people at risk who are
already putting people at already very vulnerable and I think there is a responsibility for a society such as Australia, a wealthy society with a robust democratic culture to be treating vulnerable people in other ways than this. This new policy, we do have the cooperation of the PNG Government. We have had the cooperation of Nauru. The Foreign Minister Bob Carr says Australia is happy to talk to other Pacific nations. He's not going to try to twist their arm to demand they participate in this program, but what signal is Australia, a wealthy country, sending to our neighbours? I think it's a troubling signal. Australia is abrogating its responsibility. As a wealthy nation, as a leader in the Asia-Pacific, Australia ought to be taking responsibility and not deferring the responsibility for asylum seekers and processing them onto a country such as Papua New Guinea. Do you think Pacific nations might feel obliged to help Australia out and think maybe they can keep in good with our powerful neighbour and get more assistance? This is where the Australian Government has a responsibility to be honest with the public and tell us what deals have been done with the Papua New Guinea Government to broker this agreement. It also is a shame in another context and that is the international system of law within which the refugee convention fits. If a country like Australia behaves in this way, it sends a signal not only in the Asia-Pacific but internally that makes the human rights system more fragile and that's a shame. Both the Government and the Opposition have been suggesting that perhaps the UN Refugee Convention convention on refugees needs updating? It dates back to the '50s? We heard that strongly when Philip Ruddock was the Immigration Minister, he wanted to reform the refugees convention and we know full well that reform in this context would mean a diminution of the rights of refugees. The inquest into the deaths of up to 90 asylum seekers who died when their boat caped off Christmas Island in June last year has resumed in Perth. Reporter Andrew O'Connor has more. The key question in this inquest is why it took so long for rescuers from Indonesia or Australia to respond to calls for assistance from this boat. There are 212 people on board the boat. 102 died. 17 bodies recovered, 85 people missing. The key focus of the inquest has focussed on a report done as part of an internal review. Alan Lloyd the manager of search and rescue operations has been questioned about the findings of this report that it wasn't proactive enough in search and rescue operations. It could have made an emergency broadcast to go to the aid of the boat, it could have used a telecommunications provider to help boat it. But Alan Lloyd in his evidence so far has rebutted that all they could. The rebutted that and said they has another two days all they could. evidence. all they could. The coroner has evidence. We has another two days take several weeks evidence. take several weeks or months
for him to evidence. We expect it could
take several weeks for him to consider findings for him before delivering for him to consider on whether or not before authorities and Australia did before delivering his judgment
on whether or not enough to rescue these people. At the moment the examination At the of Mr Lloyd on At the moment the of Mr Lloyd on the stand of Mr testy. At one point he testy. At one asked whether or not they took asked whether or not they calls for distress from these calls for distress from boats seriously. He responded boats seriously. that boats seriously. He that 8,000 incidents were handled a that 8,000 incidents handled a year, and he found the question offensive. Let's look at some of the other stories we're following today. Good afternoon. Thousands of nurses have walked off the job to join a mass rally in Sydney over patient to staff ratios. Nurses say patient care is being compromised and lives are at risk. Brigid Glanville reports. There are 2,000 nurses and midwives from across NSW who have come to the rally here. They say it's the second time in 10 years they've gone on strike and the reason they're doing it is because they say that the O'Farrell Government in NSW has not been listening to them when it comes to improving patient care. They say the nurse to patient ratios which is supposed to be one nurse to four patients are not being met across all wards in all hospitals and patients are being put at risk. There've been a variety of stories from people from major teaching hospitals in Sydney to small country towns saying that they've simply had enough and patients are dying and missing out. Without having the right amount of nurses on a ward, our patients miss out on necessity things like pressure area care.