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This is PM Agenda.Good afternoon, welcome to the program. It's taken a long time, a very long time. More than a century in fact, bull finally a National plan to balance the competing demands for water from the Murray Darling river system was signed into law today by Environment Minister Tony Burke. Coming up on the program we will be talking to him about this program. What is it going to mean for the environment, restoring this all important environmental flows. What's it going to mean for the farmers the irrigation communities that do make up the bulk of this very important food bowl for Australia and as Australia's future as this whole region grows and the demand for quality food and produce for Australia also grows. What is this plan announced today going to mean? It has been signed into law as I say. It can be disallowed in the parliament. In a far cry from the sort of scenes we saw when the original draft plan was released with effigies being burnt, copies of the plan being burnt there has been a much warmer response today. It looks like this plan will last. There are some hurdles to be cleared, some threats to it. We will go through all of that with Tony Burke shortly. On the program today we will be talking to Foreign Minister Bob Carr about the ceasefire in the Middle East between Israel and Hamas. This ceasefire is important. Will it last? It does involve of some significant concessions on both sides, particularly when it comes to Israel relaxing some of the restrictions on Border crossings, in and out of the Gaza Strip. We will hear what Bob Carr thinks about that, high praise indeed for Egypt and its role in brokering this outcome. The anti-discrimination laws, the Government announced changes to simplify and improve anti-discrimination laws. There wasn't too much criticism. Today there has been criticism from an indigenous leader who fierce it may make it harder for indigenous Australians to get a job. Warren Mundine, critical of the Labor Party and the Government, a former party president and a well known indigenous leader. We will hear what his concerns exactly are about the anti-discrimination law changesment first a check of the stop top stories this hour with Suzanne Latimore. After decades of fighting amongst the states the saving of Murray Darryl has been made into law. It will concentrate on improving water efficiency. Farmers and irrigators are concerned there is no cap on water byebacks, Green group say not enough of water has been set aside. After 100 years of of wrangling the Murray Darling has a National plan, started by John Howard, Paul Keating then Kevin Rudd. Now the Gillard government, a century late hopefully just in time it has its first Murray darling basin plan. 2100 litres will be actioned by the Commonwealth, the states will combine for the other 650. The Minister says any water byebacks in that amounts will be up to the states. NSW have been asking can you give a guarantee, the reason I can't it's in their hands not mine. Tony Burke says this is a true compromise. No stakeholder will look at this plan and say everything that they wanted is there. The scientists have come out and said if you're serious about saving the Murray you have to actually guarantee a minimum lel of 4000 gigalitres. We would like to see a cap on bye baengs, the Government has admitted there is a down side to communities through byebacks, that water has been taken out of production in those communities. Felt the pain and felt at adjustment over the last couple of years. The Greens and SA have at least been partly satisfied for the potential for 450 gigalitres announced last month bringing the total to 3200 dread, a boost to the river's health. We go to 17 out of 18 of those flow level targets being reached. Then another several years on, 2024 before of any additional water. NSW is not supporting the plan, but if they resist the Commonwealth can pull rank. The only hiccup could be a change of governmentmentThe only political question that then remains is does it remain law? The rhetoric today has been very very good. We want to see the detail matches the rhetoric. It ensures the 2.1 plus million people living in the Murray Darling Basin whose towns and economies depend and water for irrigation actually have their futures preserved of as well. It's worth remembering how far away this plan seemed in the last few yearsment. The burning issues for irrigators and farmers has been water byebacks. This plan has no cap but the days of mass byebacks are over. Tony Burke will be hoping serious protests are also a thing of the past. At grif of fith when they decided to put a coffin behind my head and shout out "put him in it." Eight days of violence in the Middle East ended with both sides claiming Victory, more than 160 people have died in cross bortder missile attacks between Israel and Gaza. A ceasefire was announced in Cairo this evening. Israelies said they severely impaired the capability of Hamas and Hamas has claimed to have defeated Israel.Gaza erupted on news of the ceasefire, not with with violence and anger this time, but joy and relief. An end to a week of high intensity bombardment from Israel.Whether relief came after another full day of airstrikes on Gaza, and volley after volley going the other way, with rockets into southern Israel.Then after many hours of intense international diplomacy brokered by Egypt and forced through by the Americans, peace was declared in Cairo, for now at least. People of this region deserve the chance to live free from fear and violence. Today's agreement is a step in the right direction, that we should build on. Now we have to focus on reaching a durable outcome that promotes regional stability and advances the security, dignity and legitimate aspirations of Palestinians and Israelies alike.The ceasefire came on the day that there were fierce the conflict had escalated yet again. What a bomb exploded on a bus in the Israeli commercial hub. Tel Aviv. Three people injured, several more likely wounded. Israeli sources declared it was the work of a lone terrorist. The dealing making could go on. It's a truce with a hair trigger.TRANSLATION: I want to thank president Obama especially for his support to Israel during this operation and his support for the right of Israel to defend itself and his support of the iron dome system.The Hamas leader speaking in Cairo gave his interpretation of what it all means, and praised Iran. TRANSLATION: Iran had a supported role in arming and financing. Yes we had had disagreements with Iran on the Syrian issue, it is natural we differ, we have people with different demands. we will honour today's agreement but if Israel doesn't honour the deal then we're ready. And plenty of interesting parties will be watching.Israel, of course, Gazans most certainly, Egypt, the US and the rest of the world undoubtedly. Sky News, in Tel Aviv. Two more people have been arrested at a home in Melbourne's west over the death of 22 year-old Sarah car key. Homicide squad detectives have arrested two men in a home at Melbourne's west midday day in relation to the murder of Sarah car key. A 3 # year-old man and a 34 year-old man from point cook in Melbourne's west have been held at the St Kilda plagues. Both men are assisting police with their inquiries. These new arrests were made as investigations into the murder of Bacchus March woman Sarah car key continues. The man accused of stabbing her and dumping her body this a wheelie bin was arrested in Hawthorn. Stephen hunter appeared briefly to face the charges. Hunter is due to reappear on March 27. Sarah went missing on 9 November, plips found her body in a point cook home in Melbourne's west. On November 19th after homicide squad detectives executed a search warrant. Tonight point cook community members will hold a candlelight vigil in her memory. A boy who went missing from Bentley in Perth's south has been found. Police say 10 year-old Quiros Gidley was found safe. Disdisappearance after he failed to get on the school bus led to police to launch a public appeal to find him. He is safe and well. Talks with teachers and the Government have broken down with the unions walking away from pay negotiations, hundreds of Victorian schools closed in September as teachers across the state went on strike. The Australian education union said the Victorian Government has refused to budge on its offer despite the union putting forward a compromise claim for 12% over three years, well down on the 30% teachers originally sought. To sports news, Michael Clarke and David Warner have both made centuries on day one of the second test against South Africa. They salvaged the innings for the Aussies after a top order collapse with the home side in a comfortable position after tea. South Africa lost Wilander to a back injury. Not the only thing they lost as Michael Clarke elected to bat. It became the Dave Warner show at Adelaide Oval. Through cover. Meaning to halt the home side's momentum South Africa turkd to Jacque Kallis. Quinney came and went with fill fuss, Ponting was sent packing the Aussies were in real trouble. He bowls him! What a beauty from callous. Warner refused to be shackled. Full shot in the air. Where is that flying too? Well, safety. Is where it's gone, into the construction sign. The Aussie hopes rose again as callous departed with a hamstring jury before lunch. When they returned Warner was showing no signs of nerves as he approached the tonne. Down the ground all the way again. From the next ball the three figures were up of 93 deliveries. He does, he finds a game he's got it. Oh superb batting from David Warner, the crowd are up. An excellent 100. Warner's luck ran out on 119. There's an edge and a wicket finally for South Africa. Michael Clarke picked up the slack in his absence.There she goes, does she go all the way? No, it doesn't. Back-to-back tonnes in the bag for the Australian captain.There it is, a beautiful late cut by the Australian captain, it will run away for four. Elise Holman, Sky News, sport.To the weather forecast now, it will be warm and mostly Sunny in the southeast tomorrow. Hot and Thundery in had the North and in the central areas. It is coming up to 30 minutes past 4 o'clock, eastern daylight. Back to David Speers and PM a gend ASuzanne thank you, after the break we will be talking about the historic Murray Darling river plan signed into law today. We will be talking to the Minister who signed it into law, Tony Burke.

Good afternoon, you're watching PM Agenda. It's taken more than 100 years, finally a National plan has been signed into law today to settle the competing demands over the Murrumbidgee River system. Environment Minister Tony Burke announced the plan we will be speaking to him shortly. What it involved eventually a total of 3200 gigalitres will be returned to the river system. 2100 gigalitres, the baseline figure returned to the river. Most of this has already been purchased by the Commonwealth, 650 gigalitres will come from the states identifying environment Wal works and measures of their own. That gets to the 2750 gigalitres recommended by the Murray-Darling basin authority. This was never enough to satisfy environmentalists or SA which was threatening a High Court challenge. To address those concerns the Government is spending an extra $1.7 billion to find a further 450 gigalitres. This money will go to raising bridges, widening canals on farm infrastructure at the Commonwealth's expense. The total return to the river will then be the 3200 gig a litre number. The reaction to this, the few hours since this was announced is a far cry from the reaction to the first draft plan that was produced by this government. You may recall we saw copies of that draft being burnt in protest in Griffith and elsewhere in some of the basin communities, the irrigation communities, farmers very worried about what it would mean. Today, however, a very different tone from the peak farming organisations. Have a look. It will end up there next year. We'd also like to see a cap on buybacks, the Government has admitted there is a down side through buybacks. Woe would like to see them back themselves. They have taken the water out of those communities and they have left the pain. There is still a lot of angst. Some concerns around the edges, by and large farmers are reasonably comfortable with what's been announced. The Greens have been the most critical and have signalled that they will move to disallow this plan. Now it's already been signed into law by the Minister, but it can still be disallowed by the parliament and the Greens will move to do that. Here was Christine Milne the Greens leader this afternoon. Today is the day that the Federal government has done what they always do, and that is work with the coalition to give what the big irrigators want for the river system, and to deny the environment what it needs.There's been a mixed take from the various environmental groups, some take that line. This is not good enough to restore enough lows to the river system to say T others, however, do say this is at least a good starting point. We should take what's on the table. Most important, though is the coalition here, because their support will guarantee that this plan survives. It is pretty clear that despite some differences between coalition ranks, amongst nationals and Liberal they are going to support this. Yes, there are still some concerns around the edges. Here is the liberal Senator Simon Birmingham today. We want to see the detail matches the rhetoric that's the key thing. As it all stacks up as I understand it it, there is about 239 gigalitres of potential buybacks left to be recovered. Something over the period of time, 2019 we're talking about, should be able to be done in a sensible way that doesn't hurt communities. Let's go to the Minister for water and the environment, Tony Burke. Thank you for your time. Concongratulationses on getting to this point. Many doubt add long the way frchlt the reaction you have seen in the last few hours how confident are you this plan will survive? Well, I believe it has to. Yes, we have finally got to a moment that Australia's been waiting for for a bit over a century, to have a National plan for the Murray-Darling basin and one that does restore the system to health. Now, to have come this far, to have got to that moment, to actually be able to deliver the long-term health of the Murray-Darling Basin and to do it in a way that is sensitive to the needs of the communities, to let this opportunity go, would make the people around the parliament today no better than the generations that have preceded us, which has continually failed to get a National management, to a National system. Let's face it, rivers don't stop when they reach State borders. That's how we have been managing them. When you manage them that way ultimately the rivers themselves when you hit drought times do stop and stop completely, and the system gets more fragile every time. Can I ask you about the politics of this. I know you have argued that you haven't considered politics. You've considered the fundamentals of what is needed for the river system. Looking at the parliamentary response to this, the Greens will be moving a disallowance motion, the coalition if they support it will ensure it survives. This has been politically a much trickier issue for the coalition, again the given views amongst nationals and Liberal on this. They are signalling they're going to support it. Is it time for you to recognise the coalition isn't the Dr Know you often describe Tony Abbott as. Well, on this issue I was very up front in the speech. We are talking about a reform where the critical beginning of the structure of today began under the Keating government, kind under the Howard government, I particularly acknowledge John Anderson and Malcolm Turnbull, and the work of Penny Wong, today under Julia Gillard we have had the opportunity to have Australia's first nationalal plan for the Murray-Darling basin. This has gone across both sides of politics. The bottom line threshold has always been, will the plan or will it not return the system to health? I believe it will, on that basis I'm hopeful that we get all members of parliament supporting it. I remain in shock that the Greens are proposing to line up with with the identical position to Bob Katter, that let's blow the whole thing up. I can't see how that is good for the Murray-Darling basin. I'll get to both of their concerns in a moment. On this point, is it time to ak knowledge that Tony Abbott isn't the Dr Know relentless negativity that he's often accused by Labor as beingIf we get an example of him being positive here, it looks like we might be there, then I won't hold back in giving my complements and praising that bipartisanship. Into the specifics on this, the Greens point to the fact environmentalists have always said you need 4000 gigalitres to return to the river system, to flush that 2 million tonnes of salt a year out of the river system making the water drinkable at the end of this. This isn't 4000 gigalitres, aren't they right to be concerned? If that's what the environmental scientists are saying? The problem with that argument is it ignores the constraints that are in the system. The constraints effectively of determine how much water you can, in fact, manage, and these are constraints like bridge heights, whether you've got easements over private property. These sorts of of principles. The truth is at the moment, with the constraints all in, once you get over 2750 you can't practically manage the water. We believe we will be able to remove enough constraints to be able to practically manage an additional 450 gigalitres. That's why we committed to do that. I haven't seen anybody who can actually put forward how you would be able to legally manage the 4000 gigalitres they talk B what on earth is the point if all you're doing is taking water out of production for no environmental benefit? Let's look at what the farmers are still concerned about. They would like to see a cap on water buybacks which have caused a lot of concern in farming communities. You argued today the days of the big water buybacks are behind us. We're not going to see those any more. Why not put a cap here to satisfy the concerns? It goes to the three figures you ran up on the screen David. The second one you referred to was the 650 gigalitres with the states putting forward projects. Now, it's not in my hands whether they put those projects forward or not. I believe they will. But if they don't we still need to make up that 650, and the buyback option is the only insurance we have of if State's fail to put forward projects. It will be 650 here, whether it comes from the States putting up projects or more big buybacks? 650 is guaranteed, locked in the plan. A way of dealing with it which I believe the states will take up. But I can't guarantee they will do it. That's the only reason why we can't provide the cap talked about. On the extra 450 gigalitres that makes up the final parts of this. You did announce recently this is on-farm in0 fra structure that the Commonwealth is going to fund. I note that Toni Windsor when you announced this was somewhat skeptical. He said "the uncertainty about the funding of that the fact that farmers have to fund these projects there is no guarantee it will ever happen at all." Back to first principles. Can we imagine a situation where farmers are told that the Government will pay for them to have brand new equipment and they say no? That's the only scenario where there could be a problem. There could be differences over the cost of of some of these things, they, couldn't there? Look, David, we have been running these projects in recent years. We have been running them actually at a much more efficient multiple than we have set aside funding for. We have worked on the basis if it gets harder we have the money there. The first round of prove jects it was hard in getting the uptakes and getting the projects together. Once people looked over the fence and saw they had a more efficient system. That was the way the environmental water was acquired the takeup rate start today improve, the efficiency started to improve. Everything I have seen says those 450 gigalitres will be able to get very easily with the money on the tablementCan I ask you about the States here as well. We have got reaction from the Victorian Government ment they have said as part of the int governmental agreement the Commonwealth needs to clearly articulate the process for recompense for the states the implementation costs the states will occur. Victoria at least wants more certainty around the money on this, what can you say to them? Effectively there what they're talking about is the money to pay for the public servants to be able to implement it. I've got to the say if we're at the point that it's an argument between governments to just work out how many public servants are required, then I really think we are home and we're in a situation where it will be something that people can practically work with. I don't underestimate that we have of got to work through the detail of that. Commonwealth/state agreements always have to work through the detail of that sort of thing, they're always able to land it. Final question, a lot of this is not due to come into effect in 2019 and 2024 for the 3200 gigalitres, will this save the Murray-Darling? It will, what it means is the mouth of the Murray now will be guaranteed. It will be open nine years out of 106789 your flood plains and your wetlands up and down the system will actually get the recharges they need. The river red gums we saw falling over and dying in the last drought will have a level of resilience they haven't known for decades. The health of the Murray-Darling is secured by this plan. Environment Minister Tony Burke thanks for joining us. Good to be with you. After the break we will turn to the ceasefire in the Middle East between Israel and Hamas. We will be talking to Foreign Minister Bob Carr for the Australian Government view as to whether this is going to hold or not.

In a moment we will be talking to Foreign Minister Bob Carr about the ceasefire in the Middle East. A check of the headlines with Suzanne Latimore.The Government has signed into law a final management plan for the Murray-Darling basin. Environment Minister Tony Burke says the plan takes a National approach to restoring the long-term health of the river system. It will see 2750 gigalitres of surface water returned to the environment each year. The Government's also a proved an extra 1.77 billion to boost flows by 450 gigalitres through infrastructure improvements. The coalition has indicated it broadly supports the plan, however the Greens say it doesn't do enough to protect the water system. Australia's Foreign Minister Bob Carr has joined world leaders in welcoming a ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The truce was brokered in Cairo with the help of the Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi and Hillary Clinton Secretary of State. Eight days of cross Border Rocket strikes and airstrikes killed 160 people. Both sides are claiming the truce as a Victory. Melbourne police have arrested two more men over the death of 22 year-old Sarah car key. The 32 year-old man and a 34 year-old man were arrested at a home in Melbourne's west at midday. Police have already charged Stephen hunter who was accused of stabbing the Bacchus March woman multiple times and dumb mg her body this a wheelie bin. The home of Dim Byrnes has been hit in a shooting of the one of the bullets went through the window of a bedroom where one child was sleeping. No-one was injured. Two other shootings in Bellevue west and bell vista are investigated for possible Links, police aren't saying if they are bikery related. Michael Clarke and David Warner have scored hundreds, Clarke remains at the crease. The strong partnership steadying the crease after yet enough top order collapse from the Aussies. The weather tomorrow, warm, mostly Sunny in the southeast, hot and thundery in the North and central areas. Thank you. After eight years of fighting between Israel and Hamas a break through ceasefire was announced this morning. How long it will last is the big question. More than 150 people were killed, 800 wounded on the Gaza side of the Border, 5 Israelies were killed and 43 wounded. The ceasefire was brokered cheefl by equipped with pressure coming from US Secretary of State Hilary Clint op and the United Nations. The truce brought an end to all land, air and sea attacks, significantly will require Israel to relax Border restrictions for the movement of goods and people into and out of Gaza. Celebration s have continued throughout the night. How optimistic now is the Australian Government about this ceasefire lasting? I spoke earlier in the day to Foreign Minister, Bob Carr in Canberra.Bob Carr, welcome. Do you believe the ceasefire agreed between Israel and Hamas will hold? I believe the people of Israel and the people of the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians have got a great yerning for peace. They have seen the dead children. They have held in their arms the dead children, and like any people anywhere they want peace, so they can raise their families, tend to their gardens, build their businesses, go to work each day in safety.I just hoping, hope and pray that this instinct is now driving things. What they want and what ultimately happens may be two different things. The first stage of this truce is that they stop attacking each other. The second stage is the critical one here, that goes to within 24 hours of now Israel starts addressing the underlying grievances of the Gazans the border restrictions that impede the movement of people and goods. Well, Israel has committed to deliver on that, that's crucial. Does that surprise you? I mean why would Israel agree to relax Border restrictions? I agree it's a big step. The Israeli leadership has got to be commended on that. This is one measure of the serious commitment on Israel's side, even with all the pressures of a fiercely fought election campaign to get peace, to get peace in difficultCircumstances, to get peace up until recently rockets were being fired into Israel by Hamas, and associated terrorist entities or by terrorist entities that were allowed to function. Those rockets are coming from somewhere, Hamas Chief Mishal has openly prayed Iran in the role of arming Hamas. It delivers all the fierce of Israel has of Iran being I tent on its destruction, using sur gats to enhance that goal. Hence all the more admirable Israel has taken this step. I've got to say to be balanced, not that there is an obligation to be balanced for the sake of it, but on the evidence it's worth praising Hamas leadership for taking the risks for peace. That it has taken with the guarantees its made of the I believe this can work, but it does require Hamas to exercise the responsibility of government and to see that none of the extremist groups that s been operating in its territory, in rivalry it huft be said with Hamas have been able to fire rockets from Hamas-controlled territory at Israel. Sgael will react like any governments in the world if rockets were fired at it. Rockets have been fired, lobbed into Israel for years and years. Why do you think that Israel decided to retaliate a little over a week ago with that targeted assassination of Hamas's military commander, why now? It was simple. There is an explosion generated from an extensive i tunnel aimed at taking out Israel Border guards. I think that act of provocation produced the Israeli response. That is now history. We have a truce. All who wish peace for the peoples of the Middle East have got to hope that in this space, going by the truce, we can edge the parties towards negotiations, towards a two-stage solution. Well, let me cut to the chase, do you think internal Israeli politics played a role at all? We have an election in a couple of months where Benjamin Netanyahu was hoping to be reelected. Is this a factor? Very hypothetical, very speculative, I think that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would have realised a drawnout ground action would have seen, as Europeans have warned, the risk of a shift of sympathy, that is people - people up to now supporting Israel, because it was responding to Rocket strikes into its territory, a whole lot of rockets as it happened, withdrawing their sympathy, the world opinion can be very fickle, withdrawing their sympathy, if Israel was locked into a ground action. So you think he has real lighted a ground invasion would be a step foo far and has now stepped back from the brink because of international opinion? One possible interpretation. Why dwell on motivations, let's look at actions, actions are more interesting. Both sides have made a commitment in circumstances where emotions were moving and where extremes were come to the fore. Both sides have been big enough to commit to this Egyptian brokered ceasefire that is all together a good thing, the possibility that this can happen here should encourage us to hope the bigger movement towards middle eastern peace. On Egypt this was the critical test for the new Egyptian post Arab Spring leadership. What we we learnt about the Egyptian leadership? An important question. I was honoured to spent some time with president Mohamed Morsi in the presidential palace in Cairo. I formed the view this man is an Egyptian nation lift first and foremost. He wants to reassert Egyptian leadership. He sees the bar bar Rick years is as being years of Sombelance. He wants them to speak for the Arab world and speak for themselves. This is one telling story about him, he went to the Iran for the summit of the of middle line movement. He was asked if he wanted to meet the supreme leader of Iran, his supply was, " no, I'm a president, I talk to presidents. When it comes to supreme leaders, he said, we, he meant we in the Muslim Brotherhood have teachers as well, but, that is religious leaders I'm a president and I talk to presidents. I thought that was very telling. It confirmed my assessment of him he's an Egyptian nation lift committed to enhancing the role and the leadership in the region of his country. While the fighting may have ceased between Israel and Hamas, elsewhere in the region in Syria the fighting continues. We saw extraordinary international pressure on Israel and Hamas to reach the ceasefire. The focus must shift to the bloodshed in Syria. The bloodshed in Syria is appalling. It's a test of the leadership of the Arab world to get the sides together, because it is ah ran on Arab or Muslim on Muslim violence. Intervention of outside forces doesn't help. The genesis of it is a revolt against a now antiquated Arab model which is a president for life. Worse than that, an inherited presidency for life with son succeeding father this the presidential palace and no democratic change of of government being remotely possible. This is a revolt against this notion. As we have seen in Egypt, Tunis is ya and Libya. We have got to -- Tunisia. We have to hope there is a sheering off of support from the sad sad coalition that opens up the possibility of ceasefire, and a negotiated transition along the lines of agreed on in the Geneva conference in the middle of the year. The Germans have joined the French representing some agreeance, the National coalition of the Syrian opposition force was the sole Egyptian receptive of the people calling it a credible alternative to sad sad: I follow with interest what Britain and France have said here about a level of recognition of the Syrian opposition forces. I've asked for my department to give me a range of options on this. We want evidence that the opposition is working together, they are united, I met the Syrian National council, when I was in Turkey, in the middle of the year. We hope that they can settle their differences. Settle their differences and go one step further, see that Jihdists or violent extreme Islamist elements are not included in their coalition, to see they are actually excluded. That's the test that needs to be satisfied before Australia will offer any recognition? Yes, it is. We want to see a plural democratic Syria, that is one where power is shared, and where the people determine the Government under a fair dinkum constitution and electoral system. The plan for getting this was actually spelt out by the world when it met in Geneva and defined what a transition authority would look like, and what it would do, before you had a vote by the Syrian people on a new constitution, an electoral system and on a new government. Can I turn to a couple of domestic matters just finally, the Government's asylum seeker policy has gone through another transformation in the last 24 hours to deal with the influx of arrivals. Can you explain to me what was wrong with the Howard's government policy in place. Why did that have to be dismantled. David, I wasn't around at the time in the Howard government when these things were debated or upped the Rudd government. What we're doing now is sending an unmistaken message to the region, if you pay $10000 or less to a people smuggler, and think you can get into Australian waters, and get a jump start on others, you'll be disappointed.I'd like to say the conditions on Nauru were as good as you'd get on the Australian mainland, but I doubt if they ever will be, nonetheless that sends a message to people that you can't risk everything, by getting into Australian waters and expect to be settled in Australia, we have got our own humanitarian intake, running at 20000 a year, we're very proud of that. It's the second most generous in the world. Can you honestly sit here and say this is working, this deterrence is working in the three months it's in place 7000 arrivals? A lot of displacement of people in the world, 1.5 million in Afghanistan, over 1 million in Pakistan variously estimated, a huge number, supposed to be 40 million displaced people in the world. We have got to have these disincentives inform place, the number would be even higher were it not for the offshore processing we have now slotted into place. So it is working? It's deterring people from coming here, you've got a fall in numbers from other parts of the world, but a rise from shrank, a that's what we're dealing with, we believe that can be combatted. It would be higher, without a doubt, without a doubt, it would be higher if we didn't have offshore processing -- Sri Lanka. Just finally, Eddie Obeid your former colleague in the NSW right of the Labor Party, accused now of grows corruption whilst as a Minister admittedly during your time as premier of NSW. Kevin Rudd says it is significant what is unfolding under.CAC, the future of the Labor Party will depend on the cause of this phenomenon and how widespread it is. "Is he right? The 10 years I was premier there wasn't a finding even an allegation of impropriety or back of probity against my government. There wasn't an ICAC finding or an allegation by the Liberal on the floor of the parliament that touched on the probity of my government. We were corruption resist assistant and corruption free. These events started in 2007/8 well after I left the premier's job. I agree with everything that Kevin Rudd said. I'm not going to go further and comment on what has been said. Not the spevengs, no, but on the culture of the Labor Party, someone suggests on the other side...I don't want to pick over that. I've said what I said about my record. To go further is to invite the sort of of contempt of of court, I faced when I commented on an ICAC har hearing as premier. Bob Carr, thank youmentMy pleasure, thank you. After the break we will turn to the anti-discrimination changes the Government has announced this week and so the criticism from former ALP president, at times an ALP critic, warren Mundine.

Earlier this week the Government announced plan changes to the anti-discrimination laws, the Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said it was all about simplifying the system merging five Acts into one, making it easier for both sides when a discrimination claim is made. The changes would also shift the burden of proof, at least in part on to the accused party usually the employer, not surprisingly employers reacted cautiously. There's been little direct criticism not now. It's come from an unexpected source, Warren Mundine is a former press of the ALP and indigenous leader. He has reannounced his party membership. He is currently the secretary of the initiative Generation One. I poke to him. Warren Mundine thanks for your time. Can you outline what your concerns are about the proposed changes to anti-discrimination laws? The problem we're having the onus of proof. It's been shifted on to the employer, rather than the way it should be done. The people have to prove a case, what we're concerned about, because these major changes that employers, small business, medium sized business and so on will become - another deterrent for them to hire people. That's our major concern. We are in the game of getting people into jobs, getting indigenous people into jobs, this to us is going to be a blockage in that system. There are a number of blockages, this will just add to it. That's what our concern is. How would this deter on employer from hiring an indigenous person? When you look at it, we haven't seen the case of why we have to make these changes. What are the major issues that are there that are causing them to change the anti-discrimination Act. That's one. Two, how we see it could deter people from hiring people is that if you have problems, genuine problems and issues with an employee you may have a lot of problems about removing that person and getting rid of them. I see this another impediment for hiring people, you know, I just don't see the case of why the Government will want to go down this track. So you fear this could actually have the reverse effect of what the Government's trying to do? I don't know what the Government is trying to do, to be quite frank. What are they trying to do? What are the issues that have made them bring up these changes that need to be done in regard to the anti-discrimination Act. As far as we can see, looking at the business council of Australia, looking at the Australian industries group, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry they're all in the same mind the anti-discrimination Act is working, doing a very good job, the vast majority of employers are out there doing the right thing and hiring and getting people to happen. Within our organisation Generation One we have 60000 jobs lined up000 from employers to get people moving into those jobs. We just don't understand why they're going to put this change through, which to us, and all the other industry groups are agreeing with us, will be I am pediments. Will the Attorney-General, Nicola Roxon said this is actually about simplifying ant discrim laigs laws to make it easier for employers. You're clearly not convinced? . I see how it paks it easier. Quite frankly we have seen dismissal laws in the past, quite frank and honest businessv a lot of problems with that. Actually virtually pay people to go away. Until like an extortion racket. This is the problem we're going to have in this situation as well. Going to te ter people from hiring people that's the issue. Whatever intentions they have, be they good, bad or whatever the reverse is going to be the result. Small business, medium sized businesses and other businesses are going to be thinking twice before they actually hire someone. Have you had a chance to raise these concerns with the Government at all? Not at this stage. I've had a number of talks through industry groups and other people as well, and we will raise these issues in conversations with the Government. We have serious concerns about it. We don't see the case for these changes, in fact the Government hasn't even spelt out the need for these changes. So we have concerns about that. It seems to be a political solution to something that we don't see there's a problem with. Warren Mundine thank you. Thank you very much. That's all we have time for today's program. We haven't had time this hour to talk about the ongoing fallout from yesterday's announcement about asylum seekers by the Government. We covered that yesterday. We will also be discussing it tonight on the nation, do join us, 8 o'clock eastern daylight time for a look at the asylum seeker mess and the other politics of the week. For now I'm David Speers, thanks for your company.

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