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Good afternoon. Good to be back in the country and in the PM Agenda chair. Thank you to Kieran Gilbert fulfilling an admirably in the last six weeks. We are talking about childcare - should nannies or parents who use nannies be given a taxpayer funded subsidy? On the face of it it sounds like an absurd proposition, given the state of the federal Budget. What are you meant to do, if you are a single parent working a night shift - the child centre won't be of much use. Can the system be more flexible? Tony Abbott think so. He has been detailing plans for a Productivity Commission inquiry should he win the election next year. Looking into the childcare sector and the system, whether it can be made more flexible, helping women get back to the workplace and juggle the demands of family and the workplace. We will be talking to the Shadow Treasurer, Joe Hockey, and also what to expect from the Coalition on the issue of industrial relations. We will be joined by Kate Ellis. The Government warns that if Tony Abbott extends the childcare rebate to nannies he will have to take it off others. Who will lose out? Our panel will be looking at why Tony Abbott needs to woo female voters and what he can do about it. First we will check out what's happening right now. For the fifth straight day Hamas has fired a sales at Tel Aviv that not all of them got through. -- fired missiles. The sirenswent off just after nightfall. For the third time since it was installed yesterday, the battery scored a perfect hit. The number of rockets fired from Gaza has dropped significantly but some of them have a longer range. The Israelis believe they were supplied by Iran, a charge Iran denied. Rockets continue to get through to urban areas in the south. Hamas says it won't quit firing until the Israelis stop firing and lift the economic blockade on Gaza. The Israelis insist any long-term peace agreement must be based on no more rockets from Gaza ever. Based on bitter experience neither side is likely to take the other side's word so the Israelis are pushing ahead with plans. Technically the iron Dome is a defensive weapon but it also gives the Israelis leeway to go on the fence because it reduces the price they will have to pay in Hamas retaliation. Israeli forces are poised and fleeting for the Government to invade Gaza or not. -- waiting for the Government. We are exacting a heavy price from Hamas, Benjamin Netanyahu said. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has today released the terms of reference for his proposed inquiry into the childcare sector. Mr Abbott says he wants the system to be more flexible and affordable but he has ruled out any additional funding. The Government says it is a risky approach with no detail. Tony Abbott's wife, Margie, has worked in the childcare sector for almost a decade and she says parents want answers.When I travel Australia and talk to the families who attend my centre, what they want the focus to be on is the debate about affordable care, quality care.The Opposition Leader's provided the terms of reference for his proposed Productivity Commission enquiry into childcare. It's largely about providing more flexibility, potentially extending the childcare rebate to cover nannies. Mr Abbott says he doesn't want to rule out any policy ideas.One of the difficulties we have got is that our childcare system was generally formulated a generation ago when the vast majority of people were working 9 to 5.One thing the Opposition Leader has ruled out is spending more.What I have said is that we need to operate within the current funding envelope.The Government argues the policy is a stalling tactic. With no policy details or potential cuts.They are going to ask people to blindly follow them not knowing what it is they go and -- they are going to do and not knowing what they will cut to fund it.The current childcare rebate is worth up to 700 -- $7500 per year per child. A woman in her 50s has been shot dead in the suburb of Footscray in Melbourne's north-west. A man is believed to be in custody. Witnesses have told police they heard multiple shots. We will bring you more details as soon as we can. Police believe a body found in a house in Melbourne's west is missing Victorian woman Sarah Cafferkey. Homicide detectives are awaiting autopsy results and are looking at threats made against the 22-year-old on Facebook. The manhunt is under way for the two occupants of this home in Point Cook following the discovery of human remains believed to be those of Sarah Cafferkey. Police say they can't confirm whether the body is that of the 22-year-old who vanished 10 days ago.We hope as a result of the port -- post-mortem examination and investigation in the next couple of days more information will come to light.It is believed police are investigating whether a Facebook dispute had any connection with the disappearance. They have confirmed this morning they have interviewed one of her ex-boyfriend and he has been cleared of any involvement. Neighbours and workers this morning in the street where the body was found expressed their shock.Yeah, it is surprising. We have been working here for two weeks.The immediate focus will be twofold - to establish whether the body discovered is that of serum Cafferkey and also to find the two men listed at this address. Obama has arrived in Myanmar. He is the first serving US President to set foot in the country and escape -- is expected to use the visit to praise the President for ending an era of military rule and for welcoming Aung San Suu Kyi into mainstream politics....Our belief that the process he has taken his one that will move the country forward.President Obama will only be in Myanmar for six hours before he had to Cambodia for the East Asia Summit. -- he heads to Cambodia. A Minister Gillard is also on her way there. Shane Watson is doing all he can to prove to select as he will be fit for the second test. He put his injured calf muscle to the test today in Adelaide.At the moment I was able to get to a batting session, a running session, with note problem at all. If I am able to continue that in the next few days and have no problems I will definitely be available for selection. I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch, I want to make sure I can get through the next few days. Don't expect open at David Warner to change his aggressive style. That is cricket, at the end of the day I will still be doing the same thing. Pro A look at the weather forecast: Back to David Speers in Canberra. We will catch up with you after the break. We are joined by Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey.

Good afternoon and welcome to the program. Tony Abbott has been the target of a sustained attack the months over his alleged misogyny. Today he tried to put himself on the side of working women, he detailed plans of making juggling child rearing and working easier. He detailed an enquiry into one's from the Productivity Commission looking at the entire childcare sector. The basic aim is to make the system more flexible. It could include extending the rebate to nannies. There is an important catch, any changes must not put more of a burden on the budget. It must be from within the current childcare system. The government has warned that some families may lose out. It was the Opposition to detail who would lose out before the election. Later we will talk to Kate Ellis, the Minister the childcare. First I spoke to Joe Hockey a short time ago. Quite Joe Hockey, think it real-time. As you often reminded, the end of the age of entitlement. Do you really think the tax funded childcare rebate should be extended to possibly include nannies?We are putting forward a proposal that offers a maximum Flex ability to parents that the same time helps to grow participation in the workforce. Flexibility and childcare arrangements helps to improve productivity. At the moment we have the childcare system that is built on a 9-to-5 strategy. We want to get people maximum flexibility and then they will be able to work in a flexible way...There must be a Rex that you would end up with welfare families who do not receive taxpayer support for a nanny.All of these things will be considered by the Productivity Commission. We have said the envelope will not change. The envelope of money will not change. Support for childcare has been around since 1972. We are in our 40th anniversary here. It is hugely important. We have a lot more women in the workforce than ever before and they need maximum flexibility. The 9-to-5 working day is not there any more. Remember Kevin Rudd, is that you something about the double drop-off, but nothing came about. The government promised a lot of the childcare centres and they dumped that promise as well. We are coming from another angle, the angle of the Jews, and seeing how can we improve the Flex ability?Couldn't you provide incentives for the childcare centres?That could be part of it. I wouldn't want to pre- empt the Productivity Commission. Anybody that has been in this position if you have both parents working, particularly with the demands on work now and the hours and Flex ability needed by employers, it has to have flexible childcare.If this is about boosting productivity, you also need to look at the workplace activity.What we have denounced as a childcare of review and that focuses on how to help -- what we have announced is a childcare review.If you want to improve productivity, look at childcare and industrial relations.I think the Productivity Commission would be has a full card. One step at a time. You will see the details of our industrial relations policy...You don't need a broad enquiry into it? No. People are looking for stability, but we have also emphatically said that we will reintroduce it the Australian building and construction... That'll be the guest step?Yes. Anything else will be quite small. Operating within the system.Don't hold your breath the major changes. Not that one.Our business currently clamouring to change on industrial relations, but sufficient for their breath.Well let us Let's move to the mining tax. According to the 'Financial Review', it shows the big miners will not pay the tax into the final price get higher. It is currently around $120 a tonne. They say not into hundred and $30 a tonne will they start paying it. You think it is mining tax will not raise money this year?We can only work of what we hear. The government knows the numbers. The bottomline is that it is a flawed policy. I would have thought, until a few months ago, but the signature policy failures of the Gillard government would be things like failure on boats. Safe and secure borders, failure on getting the budget to surplus, failure in basic integrity from any policies. This will be the said -- signature failure of the Gillard government. They personally negotiated it, Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan. How you can negotiate a tax it doesn't rain -- raise money is beyond me. Even the Greek government can. But Australia has attacked that doesn't raise money and that is quite an achievement. - - Has a tax that doesn't rain money. If that is the case, why did the government allocate big expenditure against attack that doesn't raise money?Well, they clearly believe it will raise some money.(LAUGHS) they don't. Quite but the managing director of Rio Tinto says it is working.

It is the one that negotiated with Julia Gillard. I have no doubt that he has a tax that is working as intended. Not paying any tax.It places the blame largely on the way this tax operates in conjunction with state royalties and how they are refunded by Federal Government. It suggests that this is all tied up, and where it could be possibly fixed, a changes to the GST.Look. Stop looking for another tax. Let's look for a reduction in expenditure in. Everybody has attacked that people have to pay. You have to reduce government expenditure. When you look at Labor, they are a huge spending government. Their expenditure is always higher than the last year.Just on the GST, let me just be clear, You didn't hear about it in Washington? I didn't pick up from reading that clearly what your position was. Should the GST be increased?No.And a base? You don't believe there should be any change?No, and saying the money goes to the States. If the state is wants to introduce a new tax, that is up to them.But don't look to Treasurer Joe Hockey to support...It has it requires every state lead -- leader to advocate for it. It will also politically require the public to come with you. It would also need to Treasurer support.It would be to get through a Parliament.You wouldn't support it?Satisfy all of those conditions and then we can talk.I am asking you.No, price of living is the main issue the Australians at the moment.Final question about the polls. Labours lament that we saw recently may have slowed or stopped as we have seen. -- Leaders momentum -- Labor. He cited trust is one of those issues. Is Western Sydney fertile ground the Coalition?The whole country is fertile country the Coalition. Labor governments don't get better, they get worse. I say that from someone who comes from New South Wales. The government got worse and worse. Now we are discovering what really went on in the Labor government of New South Wales with the ICAC Enquiry. This is goverments the Labor way with corruption enquiries long after they are gone and after the Australian people paid a heavy price.Do you think there is with of this corruption that has been alleged that is at play within the Centre Labor... Two This is the Labor Party.The right-wing faction of the Labor Party controlled the New South Wales Labor Party. They had a huge influence in getting rid of Kevin Rudd. This is how Labor operates. What we will find out over the next few months is a hill of a lot more about what is going on inside Labor Party.You think there could be problems with Bejer Labor?We will see.Thank you. Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey there. We will talk about child care a bit later in the program with the minister to childcare, Kate and less. Her take on what the Opposition Leader announced. Shifting gears now. The Prime Minister will arrive in Cambodia soon for the final overseas trip of the year. She is attending their with President Barack Obama, his first trip since is relaxed and a few weeks ago. David Lipson is in John Hannan. -- John


Adidas has been talked about videos. If it is achieved, it will be the biggest partnership in the world. How close is the deal on this?Good afternoon, David. It is still a fair way off. Even if all goes to plan over the next few days here are it would only mean the launch of formal negotiations. You can expect them to go for at least a few years. As you know, sometimes these trade agreements, the negotiations go for much longer than that. Craig Emerson, the Trade Minister, it doesn't want to put a time limit on it. If it is achieved, it would certainly be worth it and whether to Australia. As you mentioned, it would be a huge economic bloc the region and Australia would be part of it along with New Zealand and some of the big heavy hitters including India, China, Japan, Korea and the Asian nations as well. All up it would account for 30% of the world's GDP. And on the ground for Australia it would mean getting rid of some of the nasty tariffs when it comes to exporting Australian cars into Asian markets. Julia Gillard will arrive in the next few hours and she is holding a bilateral meetings with some of the leaders here including China, Japan and Brunei. Possibly Thailand as well. There may be trade discussions in those meetings.Not just talking trade at the summit, security issues as well. There must be sensitivity is there about what is happening in the South China Sea. What will be the focus there?Yes, absolutely. You have hit the nail in the head without one. They have really been a few murmurings and discussions and the like about these small but very strategic and significant islands in the South China Sea. China lays claim to all of them but the are a bunch it of them overlapping with claims from a handful of nations represented here at the East Asia Summit. There is a chance they may present a united front against China on this issue. China, from its part, doesn't want the matter discussed at all at the summit or any other summit. The prefer one-on-one negotiations when it comes to defence and security. There is an interesting dynamic era between China and the United States. It is Barack Obama's first trip overseas and was re-elected for a second term in the White House, but also it comes just a week after China's once in a decade leadership change. All eyes will be on those leaders and how they relate to each other and how they deal with each other over the next few days. To Australia, Australia is really trying to walk that's tricky path between the two giants. A crucial military alliance with the United States and crucial trade with China. As I say, it is a narrow path to balk.That'll be fascinating to see how it plays out. Just quickly, President Obama before getting their is visiting the unmarked, the first US president to visit there. -- Myanmar. What is the significance of this visit?It is really significant. It is the first visit here, formerly Burma, Barack Obama is being a bit careful because he has already been criticised for going there. Because as he puts it, it is not an endorsement of the government here. It still has a pretty questionable record on human rights. It did is an acknowledgement of the giant steps this nation has taken in the last year. He is spending about six hours in total there. He will also meet with Aung San Suu Kyi there are as well. That is significant. Human rights is one of the issues on the sidelines. Cambodia's leader is it escaping scrutiny. There will be some questions there and Barack Obama urged to take a hard line against his record as well.And his last trip abroad with Hillary Clinton. We look forward to hearing from you from Cambodia. We will take a quick break and be back with our panel, Simon Banks and Grahame Morris.

Time for a quick of the headline -- quick check of the headlines. Talks will continue in Egypt to try to negotiate an end to the violence between Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza. The Turkish prime minister and in the of Qatar as well as representatives from Israel and Hamas are in the Egyptian capital. The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki- moon, is on his way to the region to personally appeal for an end to the violence. 120 rockets have been fired at Israel while the Israeli air force has hit more than 120 targets in Gaza, killing 29 Palestinians in the bloodiest day of the campaign. Tony Abbott has announced the terms of reference for a Productivity Commission inquiry into childcare. He said he wants a broad inquiry and does not want to rule out any policy ideas. Abbott says the commission will look at whether the current system is meeting the needs of parents as they balance the need for work and childcare. The study will also take into account shift workers. A woman in her 50s has been shot dead in Footscray. A man is believed to be in custody over the shooting. Witnesses reportedly told police they heard multiple shots. Authorities have cordoned off the area as detectives investigate. The search for a missing 22-year- old Victorian woman, Sarah Cafferkey, is now a murder investigation has police confirm a woman's body has been located. Police are awaiting autopsy results following the discovery of human remains in Melbourne. Police say no one has been questioned since the discovery of the body. It emerged the missing woman had received threats from a male friend on Facebook before she disappeared. Barack Obama has arrived in Myanmar, becoming the first sitting US president to visit the country. He is set to announce $170 million in aid to target projects designed to help build democratic institutions and improve education. It is only a six-hour visit and later tonight the President will join leaders in Cambodia for the East Asia Summit. Prime Minister Julia Gillard is also on her way there. Shane Watson says he doesn't want to let his teammates down as he fights to be fit for the second test against South Africa. He admits he is fit to bat but will test his injured calf more in the coming days. A look at the weather forecast:

We will see Jacinta at the top of the hour. I want to look at the polls. There was a Nielsen poll in Fairfax papers this morning which seems to suggest Labor's recent momentum may have stalled or slowed. The

momentum may have stalled or slowed.
The primary vote for Labor was steady at 34%. The Coalition was up a couple of points after preferences. It meant the gap widened a bit in the Coalition's favour. And Essential poll out this afternoon. First

favour. And Essential poll out this
afternoon. First of all, the primary vote. You have seen this week a one-point drop for Labor. Pretty much the same story. It is a small margin of error but it has

Pretty much the same story. It is a
small margin of error but it has the effect of widening the two- party preferred. Last week it was 52-48.You had them at 53-47 for many months this year. We have now seen the gap narrow.For a lot of the year the gap was wider, but this is a good position for Labor through the course of the year. It was closer to 55-45, even worse, for a lot of the year.A look at some of the issues - and looking at what has come out on top, what can you tell us are the top issues?Top of the pop really changes: The movements are in the degree over the last six months since we asked this in July. There has been real purchase in the education debate, gone up from 26 up to 35. They are both areas where Labor traditionally does well, so that is good news for the Government. Interestingly, asylum seeker as a top three issue is just down to 6% of the population. A sense that that has been brought under control. Strong support in the Nielsen poll this morning for the Royal commission into child abuse. You have similarly found strong support?Absolutely. On this, it is

have similarly found strong
support?Absolutely. On this, it is an issue that the public wants to see action.Grahame Morris from Barton Deagon and Simon Banks from Hawker Britton. Do you think the momentum has slowed for Labor?We are not getting as much ground, and you would expect that as the polls tighten. The closer you get to 50- 50, the harder it is to get movement. We have still seen a dramatic shift from the middle of the year. Labor was out to 57-40... If you see that election result, that is still one of the biggest election offers ever. Plenty of governments one year out have been one or two points out, and that is where Labor is, so it is within striking distance.The other story in the polling, Grahame Morris, his Tony Abbott's unpopularity. Does that matter?Not particularly. We are finishing the year at where we started. I have got to say, the polls are all over the place at the moment, including Peter Lewis's polls, they don't smell right to me. You would think that the Prime Minister's coverage with the paedophile inquiry and all that, she would go through the roof, but it hasn't happened. I'm beginning to think that maybe at the moment the word 'Labor', particular in NSW, absolutely stinks. We have got lots of corruption inquiries and everything with former Labor politicians and high ranking ministers in the Labor Party of NSW. You think, if you were the Prime Minister and if you were a rusted Labor person, would you think, should we disband the NSW Labor Party?Joe Hockey was making this point as well - we will see what happens in the next couple of months. There is no evidence that it has an effect on federal Labor people. Government but in NSW the word does not spell right.There is no doubt that Labor is lagging more badly in NSW than in Queensland, but it is a combination of factors. I'm sure some of this stuff is rubbing off on the general Labor brand. Campbell Newman is doing a lot worse in Queensland, and that is boosting the Labor vote there. A range of factors are influencing it. What we have seen in the last couple of weeks is all is bouncing around within the margin of error. You say it doesn't matter, the unpopularity of Tony Abbott, but it is there and it is consistent. His position has worsened over the last few months. He particularly struggles with female voters as well. You are saying he doesn't need to do anything about this?He does, but at this stage it doesn't matter. At the moment he is getting a bike about the ears for doing his job.When does he need to worry about this?In an election year. That is pretty soon.You go to Parliament, you get up, you do your job, you give the Government a whack about the ears... There is a phase in everything. Next you have got to be, and he knows this, everybody knows this, it is a mixture of policy releases and doing what he has been doing, making the Government accountable for everything. That is his main job.He looks to me like he has started his shift already. Today he was at the child care centre with his wife, Margie. Let's take a look at the two of them and what they had to say.

No, sorry, we have lost a bit of tape. You would have seen it in the news. Do you think this is part of the rebranding, shifting of Tony Abbott?There is a little bit of that. Everyone makes to see who is behind the Opposition leader or the Prime Minister. It fills in a bit of the canvas. But also, she runs a child-care centre, and you would be a complete still if you have a wife who understood child-care centres and you are announcing a child-care package...We have the tape here now...When I travel Australia and I talk to the people who run my centre, they want the debate to be on affordable care, quality care. Families come in all shapes and sizes these days. Workplaces come in all shapes and sizes these days, and that means that childcare has to come in all shapes and sizes.I have said this before, I reckon Margie is a great asset. If you were in that office, you would be getting her out whenever you can. Of course, but Tony's problem is that despite Margie being rolled out, she is an undeniable asset. He said he did it, he has gone back in his personal rating. To put this into context, there are only three Opposition Leader is in Newspoll history that have had a worse the satisfaction rating. John Howard in 1988, John Hewson in 1994, and he lost the leadership after that, and Alexander Downer in 1994 and that was a train wreck. He is worse now than Simon Crean or Mike -- Mark Latham ever were.Do you think this has got to do with the assault on Tony Abbott from many in Labor? It has been unrelenting.His is the issue of what Tony Abbott has done to himself. He has been an incredibly effective negative politician, but it has come at enormous expense to his own personal rankings. He is right at the back door in terms of these numbers. If the polls continue to tighten, which the experts agree, it will be a tough and tight election next year, the polls are likely to get worse for him.Doug Cameron had an interesting comments today, particularly about Western Sydney.I think we have got lots of work to do in the western suburbs of Sydney. I don't think our message is out there and we have deep put the message out there loud and clear, the message that we are a good Government, a message that says we are delivering on the key issues. I'm not convinced that that message is out there.He said he is not sure that the message is getting across. Particularly in western Sydney. He cited trust as an issue, a problem for Labor. Is he right about that and is Western Sydney... TwoAbsolutely. If we break down the numbers on a state- by-state basis. There needs to be more effort done. When you start looking at the policies that the Government will be reinforcing with people, so the investment in education for Gonski, the NDIS, the dental...It takes me to the royal commission that was announced a week ago by the Prime Minister. A lot of detail to be filled in, but clearly the announcement is extremely popular, to have a broad ranging inquiry. Do you think the Prime Minister needed to give more detail?I do, but this is going to sound weird - baby this program on a Monday is running the country. That is about the 12th time the Prime Minister has announced something one hour after we have said on a Monday on this program what she ought to do. It is quite weird.I think he is getting ahead of himself! (LAUGHS)The Government could save itself a hell of a lot of money...It's all you need to know...There should have been more detail. The other thing that she has let run that we said she must not do, that is this compulsion to get the bad guys who did stuff. Already, this is going to be "Let's get the people who didn't do something," And those who did do something are going to get off.I disagree. In relation to people who did things in the first place, the fact is that they should go to a court and that is where the matter should be determined. He shouldn't be determined by the royal commission. This will look a lot at the people who turned a blind eye to what went on, and that is exact be what it should do. At the -- I think the Prime Minister has done exactly the right thing. She could have announced some terms of reference, but to involve tickly the survivors in the process of coming to what the terms of reference should be and making sure they have a real stake, I think it is vital.We are running out of time, so we will have to wrap it up. Great to talk to you both. After the break we will return to the issue of childcare and we will speak to the minister responsible, Kate Ellis.

As we discussed earlier, Tony Abbott has today unveiled details of the Productivity Commission he wants to hold the childcare system. The aim to make the whole sector more flexible and help families who are battling to fit into the hours of operation of childcare systems at the moment, particularly those on shiftwork or in remote and rural areas. The catch is that Tony Abbott want any additional funding to come from within the sector. No new money or be applied to extend the childcare rebate to nannies, for example. That may mean that money comes from families currently receiving the childcare rebate. This is what the government is worried about. They asked the details before the election. Not good enough to say they will have an enquiry before the election. I spoke earlier to the Minister the early childcare, Kate Ellis. Thank you for your time. Whether it is the extraordinary fees that parents are paying, the inadequate pay for workers in the childcare sector, or the lack of places, there are some issues there. Why not have some sort of enquiry into the childcare system?I think it is extraordinary. We know that Tony Abbott has been a policy free zone, but seriously, what you're saying today is that he is going to go to an election without telling the Australian public whether or not he will cut the childcare rebate, whether or not he will means test it, whether or not it will exist at all. You actually have to release a policy is that you can put a policy to the Australian people and they can make decisions. What he has said today is that they will blindly ask people to follow them and not know what they will do the childcare measures or what they will cut to fund it. That is entirely ludicrous. What he is talking about is greater flexibility in particular those parents who cannot fit into the hours of operation to regular childcare centres. Isn't there an argument that parents who do fit into that category, and those that may be living in a country town, on shiftwork or so, they cannot get their kids into childcare and they need it. But there needs to be more flexible at the in the system.I think it is absolutely an argument and we should always keep working that's childcare becomes more affordable, accessible and flexible. Absolutely. I agree, as this is something that as a government we have been committed to doing it will continue to do. What I don't agree with is that we are that people who say it is too hard and we will call an enquiry and review and we want you to vote for us as an election not going what it is we are going to do on the other side of that. That is not the way our system works. We elect people to make reforms, investments, policy announcement. That is what we cannot see us of this Opposition. We've had this government hold enquiries into various policy areas. What is wrong with having a body like the Productivity Commission do this work?The difference is that you should tell the people of Australia what you're going to do, what you will cut and come at all costs. That is the basic of Harris system works. It is something that Tony Abbott will not accept. Of course you can have enquiries and recommendations, but you should announce what you are going to do with them and how much it will cost and you announce how much of a priority it is to the government. That is something we have done and what previous governments have done. What we haven't done is just just... It is regular soundbites, but he is showing as he is a policy weakling. The Australian public, when it comes to something as important as childcare, that determines whether people can participate in the workforce, then of course I think people deserve to know what exactly it is that he is going to cuts, how much assistance families at going to get under an Abbott government, if it were to be elected, and he announced today they went going to get answers.Let me ask you directly about nannies. Should the childcare rebate be extended to in- home care, including nannies.We already found in care home. Nannies a separate. When it comes to nannies, I do not believe that any responsible government would invest taxpayer funds in a sector that is entirely in regulated to the extent that at the moment there is no common requirement to even have police checks. If we are seriously saying we would invest public dollars, then of course that means that you need to have checks and balances and have regulations, qualifications, whole range of things...If you did that and he made sure that nannies fit those requirements, why not offer a childcare rebate?To begin with, the Nanny sector themselves are quite divided about this. Some of them are like being unregulated. They quite like the way they are operating at the moment. Some of them are low skilled, they are operating at a cheaper rate. They do not want to look to raising the standard. What we have said is that I am more than happy to sit down at the Nanny Association and say I think it is a good idea if they are regulated, regardless of whether they are subsidised or not. I think every parent, the matter what kind of care they choose, should have peace of mind that there are regulations in place. Is In principle, it you're not opposed to extending the rebate to regulated nannies. No, I think I said nannies should be regulated. Will it cost it nannies, Tony Abbott has said he is not putting any money on the table. If you're cutting its out of existing expenditure, I want to know which families are having subsidies taken away from their existing childcare services to fund nannies. I have seen them on length, and regardless of what it looks like Rupert has a subsidy, it is still the most expensive form of care and something that is not accessible to the vast majority of Australian families. Tony Abbott can say he will subsidise them, I want to know which families are having funding cut.Finally, to be clear, there is no way that Labor would offer any sort of subsidy for nannies at do fit the regulatory requirements?At the moment, we are ready fund in-home care places. I am proud we have increased those places. This is one on one care in the home under regulations. It goes to people that need it the most. The people that have disabled children, the people who are shiftworkers, the people that work in communities without other forms of childcare. Am really proud that our government increases flexibility and the number of these places that we are already funding and they are operating out there today. That is something we are already doing. We will continue to find those in-home care places. What we are not going to do is cut the subsidies at thousands of Australian families to open up an unregulated scheme the taxpayer dollars.Thank you to joining us. The Minister for childcare, Kate Ellis, talking to us earlier. Interesting are that the focus from the government is on regulating nannies but whether they would be willing to offer some sort of subsidy, perhaps not the current level, but it is an interesting debate. A long way to go. We will cover more effort in the months ahead. We are out of time today. Thank you for your company. Back the same time tomorrow. Steven. 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