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This is PM Agenda. Hello and welcome to the program. The confessional in the Catholic Church it is an important part of that institution. The nation's top Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, said that it remains infallible. This is in the context of the royal commission announced by Prime Minister Julia Gillard. The government has made it clear that it wants the Royal can this -- royal commission to consider the confessional and force them to pass on any crimes confessed to them. We go live to a press conference now. What it means for this community is more time at home with the kids rather than in the car. More ability to access job opportunities and do it through getting on the rail. More economic activities or to the region itself because of his work. Literally thousands of people will take a pay packet home because this infrastructure project is being built. This community, with its rapid growth, is very similar to the electorate are represented in the Federal Parliament. It has got all of the stresses and strains of growth. People want to know that the government is planning for the future and right here you are seeing the delivery of that plan with better infrastructure. I am also looking forward to being here for the rest of the day and into the evening. We have a community cabinet here. We will be at the Hercules Road State School and I think everybody for making us welcome there and we will be meeting with the local community members and answering their questions. Whether that be about jobs, health, education or the National Disability Insurance Scheme. And I expect that we will get people who raise with us their concerns about job losses here in Queensland. Because of the actions of the Newman government. Because of cutbacks to education and cutbacks to tape that the Newman government is engaged in. About cutbacks to help. People in this community need to know that governments are investing for the future. We are certainly getting on with that and I am looking forward with -- to the discussion with the community going forward. The claim in history and the received $5000 in backing, is that true? I have read today's Australian and having read it closely, there is not one substantiated allegation in today's Australian. It is not contain one allegation of wrongdoing by me. The newspaper has spent months and months and months in so-called investigative journalism looking at this matter and after all of those months and months of looking, there is not one substantiated allegation of wrongdoing by me. This matter has been trawled over for the best part of 20 years and at the end of it being trawled over, for the best part of 20 years, there is not one finding of wrongdoing by me. There is a reason for that, I did not do anything wrong. This kind of smear that we are seeing in today's Australian, no allegation of any wrongdoing, this is smear pure and simple and I'm not going to dignify it by becoming involved in it.Do you remember getting the $5000?I have just tortured -- dealt with this. Does a substantiated mean I'm true? There is no allegation of any wrongdoing, this is smear, pure and simple. On Monday I announced that we would have a royal commission on child abuse in institutions in Australia. Yesterday was in Perth meeting with Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta and Hillary Clinton, talking about our national security in our region and working with our ally, the United States of America. Here I am today in Brisbane, looking at progress on a major infrastructure project and looking forward to community cabinets and night. And during these three days, what is the Opposition been doing? Everyday, they have been out further pursuing these smears. Every day they have been engaged in it. Even though Tony Abbott as Leader of the Opposition has said that he will not engage in endless personal smears, even though he said that he will get on with the things that matter. Well, I say to the leader of the opposition, is this really getting on with the things that matter? I am here pursuing my vision for Australia's future and the Liberal Party can throw anything they like at me and I will still be here pursuing that vision for the future.The aid of you who -- the ATW you officials were just concerned about this as an unusual payments. If you have got a substantiated allegation, then put it to me.There is no allegation.Precisely.Should there be more indigenous members of Parliament and should they come from the city or the bush? I do believe that a parliament should represent our nation, including indigenous Australians. I will not engage myself in the kind of things that have been said in recent days, trying to divide them up in neat little columns and descriptors. People are people. They bring with them into the Parliament all sorts of attributes and outlooks on life. How do believe that our Parliament is at its best when it represents the nation it is there to serve. That means we do want to see more indigenous Australians, we want to see more women, we want to see more Australians from multicultural backgrounds in our Parliament. Should the royal commission consider removing the seal of the confessional?When I announced the Royal commission on Monday, I talk to people averting their eyes. That is not just incredible wrongdoing by adults who have engaged in these vile acts involving children, but the children who averted their eyes. Adults have got a duty of care towards children and it is not good enough for people to engage in sins of omission and not act when a child is at risk. As for the way that the royal commission will take evidence and deal with getting the facts together in this matter, that will be a matter for the royal commissioner or commissioners that we appoint. As I have said consistently since I announced it on Monday, we want to take a careful approach here. That means we will consult on the terms of reference. We have engaged on that and are forging the necessary links with representative groups of the survivors as was talking to a State and Territory counterparts and of course we will be talking to our institutions, including churches, about this royal commission and its terms of service.You mentioned the community cabinets and night and that there will be some angry people who might be angry about your government or the local government.In my experience with community cabinets around the country, people talk about the real issues in their lives. Some people come because they are the member of a representative group and forever and a day what they want to see is more expenditure by government on a particular area. But there are many people, too, who are not involved with any group that is agitating for anything, because people live in the local community, they care about jobs, education and help and giving their kids future and they want to hear what our plan for the nation's future is. We have made clear that plan with the deletion of -- delivery of the Asian century White Paper, how we will be a strong and prosperous and fair member of the community. So I'm looking forward to that exchange. But in Queensland have heard a fair bit of anger about Campbell Newman's cuts, the job losses and what that means when your kid is sick and you need some assistance, or the quality of your child's local school or whether you or your child will be able to get a better opportunity in life by going down the road to the later tape. So I would not be surprised if that was mentioned tonight.The Prime Minister there at the Moreton Bay rail link site accompanied by Treasurer Wayne Swan. They look at a community meeting in Brisbane's night. The Prime Minister rejected unequivocally the reports in the Australian today, allegations that $5000 was a pulse -- deposited in her account in the '90s. She says there has been no substantial allegation made against her and that it is unsubstantiated smear. I will have more from the panel later on. We also have Brendan O'Connor, one of the ministers tasked with establishing the royal commission into child sexual abuse. He will be my guest. We will look at the transition of the leadership in China with Ross Garbo, he will be my guest. But now we cross to the new centre. US and Australian officials are meeting for the AUSMIN talks. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will meet with Julia Gillard and Stephen Smith to discuss deeper cooperation on defence matters.Let me begin by congratulating Australia on your election to the United Nations Security Council. That achievement opens the door to even closer cooperation between us and lends an additional dimension to our AUSMIN agenda.Also on the table are increasing access to our air bases to the north of the country and expanding access to US soldiers of our coast. Prince Charles is celebrating his 64th birthday in New Zealand.The guests were invited because they all have the same birthday. I also could not think of a better, happier place to spend my birthday then all of you New Zealanders.Earlier, Prince Charles thrilled locals with a walkabout around the waterfront and visiting a special effects studio. The Prince and Camilla Carr in New Zealand in the final leg of their Diamond Jubilee tour.

Back to Canberra now. We will have more on the royal commission would render O'Connor, the Labor frontbencher who was looking at this with the attorney general Nicola Roxton. We also have my panel coming up. Stay with us.

This is PM Agenda. Yesterday, Cardinal Pell the Catholic Church was adamant that the confessional in the church remains inviolable. The government has made it clear today that this issue should be in the table for the royal commission to consider. I spoke to the acting Families Minister O'Connor about this and other matters. Brendan O'Connor, and to be a time. In your view, should priest be compelled to reveal crimes that are confessed to them in the confessional?I think that is an important question. I understand why it became the subject of debate already since the announcement to create a royal commission. I think it is certainly a threshold question that has to be contemplated. The PM has called the creation of the royal commission. We have set about engaging with representatives of victims, organisations, religious organisations and State governments about the composition of the commission and terms of reference. Those terms of reference will guide that commissions good work. I am sure that question has to be contemplated. Not just confessional confessions and whether that information can be used and what should happen to the information received, but also issues around legal and professional privilege and a whole range of issues.Not just priests, but other professions. There are privileges of information to not disclose in other areas of society as well. What we need to do is consider the competing interests. My general guide is that we should always, where ever possible, we should always be putting the interestss of the children first. When I was first working on child that assertion, people said I shouldn't just have to disclose charges, but can -- convictions. At has agreed with us. It might have seemed to be unfettered peoples careers to disclose only charges, but in the end we must weigh up the competing interests of the child is most important.Given the expectation that this could run for several years, it is your understanding that we might see interim reports, interim recommendations that could expedite the process. So that it is done runs were five or six or seven years or longer, that reforms that are deemed crucial are not dependent on any final outcome.I think is a very relevant matters to the dissemination of the terms of reference and the commission. The resources, breath of it, the powers. We are going to make sure that these are determined by the year's end. We are doing it to the subject of consultation with the Prime Minister. We do need to set the path and at that point, the commission, to a large extent, will be in charge of its own destiny. As it should be. It is an independent body. If it has to go down certain parts we didn't envisage at creation, it'll go down this path. Would you hope there is a mechanism to have some definitive progress earlier than the final outcome of the commission however long that takes. Interim reports are preferable.I think we should be guided by the good work of previous commission. We have seen a flexible approach where it is appropriate. I think we really need to ensure that the commission sets the terms of they conduct themselves in a manner they see fit. We have to be careful here that if we create an independent body, we do not prescribe its work and activity.We have heard what he said today about protecting children and I think the vast majority of Australians would agree with everything you said in that context. The attorney general says it is a torrent, the notion of priests not having to divulge information on paedophilia. Arielle Farrell says -- Barry O'Farrell and Christopher Pyne said similar things as well. Yesterday, Cardinal Pell repeatedly said unequivocally that the confessional is inviolable. That was the term he used. Will they have to be cultural change in that institution.I can understand why people that a tear to the conventions of the church confessional might have a particular view. But we are in the 21st century and we have to re- examine who we are looking to protect in this process. Our first interest first and foremost is allowing those victims to be heard and have their claims properly investigated I an independent body with sufficient powers. Secondly, Nicky Shaw this systemic failure response to child six abuse doesn't happen in this country again. To that extent, we must be guided by the interests of the child first. That doesn't mean our delicacies and legal issues around how we might for example over rate has been a long-standing convention and law. But in the conversations we have set the parameters of the terms of reference of the commission, we have to answer a number of this questions. What I shouldn't be right now before we have had a proper reports come. -- Consultation start to foreshadow the pet -- prejudice of the government.Tragically it has been so widespread. Child abuse over the years. Is there a sense that you have to manage, the governments that is, manager expectations that the commission can't investigate every single case as an entity itself. Otherwise this will become a semipermanent...Absolutely. We should let people make submissions. There is a therapeutic dimension to this process. Focus, yes, we must listen to people and let their voices and stories be heard. The focus of the commission is outlined by the premise to. To tackle what has been a failure to respond to child six allegations across -- child six allegations across the country. Not just religious areas, but under state care and other areas. The focus is on what the systemic failure is and how do we prevent that.The terms of reference, you have to be very definite, definitive in terms of the way those terms of reference are established.I think so. We certainly have to make sure it is clear what the central objectives of the commission is. What we have also set is that while what we know is that there needs to be remedied for the deficiencies, the institutional deficiencies, in responding and dealing to take child six at allegations of abuse, we need to give the victims and their families an opportunity to vent and explain the situation and to talk to someone who is empowered to respond to these matters. Ultimately, the test of the commission will be that it finds a way to improve processes and responses so that children are not left in this position at again.Is it true that the Prime Minister's office was advised it that the government would not have the commission as recently as Friday. Changed their mind over the weekend. As far as I was concerned, you do not make announcements or announce action by government as a minister and tell the decision is made by the government. The decision to create a royal commission pursuant to a 1902 legislation with the Prime Minister was responsible for that decision. On Monday, she consulted with Cabinet to make sure she was back in the country. My view was that there were a lot of things would like to say, but until government take decisions, we are collectively responsible and we do not announced to early. What is most important was that It meant that the decision was made in the Prime Minister announced that decision. She announced that as quickly as she could after discussing it with her Cabinet colleagues. It is unfortunate that there was news that were expressed that lead people to believe that we didn't want that. I think some of the ministers who went out early certainly went looking to say we shouldn't have one. I think it is more about they didn't want to be seen as pre-empting the government and in particular the Prime Minister. I think it is resolved now.Brendan O'Connor, a appreciate your time. A quick break and when we return, more on the Prime Minister's response her and that it responds to the latest allegations made against her relating to the workers union controversy and we will discuss that with our panel, Philip Khoury and Andrew Probyn. Stay with us.

This is PM Agenda. In a moment, my panel from the 'Sydney Morning Herald' and the West Australian. We will also have Ross Garbo, a former Ambassador to China on the leadership transition taking place. The first is check-in and the headlines. US and Australian officials are meeting in Perth for the annual AUSMIN talks. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defence Secretary Leon Panetta a meeting with Foreign Minister Bob Carr and Defence Minister Stephen Smith to discuss deeper cooperation on defence matters. Also expected to be on the table are issues of complete -- increasing access to air bases in the north of the country and expanding the presence of US soldiers of the W a cost -- off the W a coast. Police said that they will accept all recommendations handed down by the coroner pursuing the deaf of a Brazilian student. They found that police used brutish and excessive force in Cazarine the Brazilian student 14th. She recommended that five of the officers be considered for disciplinary charges. Police Commissioner Andrew Scipio he says that the police accept her recommendations and will adopt all of them. The Victorian government has announced new legislation that will outlaw motorcycle gangs with fines of up to 400,000 the Victorian government has announced new legislation that will outlaw motorcycle gangs with fines of up to $400,000. It will make it illegal to form together and where gang colours or patches. France is formally recognised Syria's opposition as the legitimate -- representation of the Syrian people. It is the first Western nation to do so. Transferred that they would look to arm the rebels once they form a transitional government. Meanwhile, forces loyal to the President have engaged in a second day of bombing near the Turkish border to gain control of the Opposition town of.

Prince Charles celebrated his 64th birthday in New Zealand. All his guest shared his birthday. He earlier thrilled the town with a walker bot and visited a special effects workshop. They are in their final leg of the Diamond Jubilee tour. And in sport, the Kurt Tippett contract saga has deepened with the AFL leading former charges against the Adelaide Crows and two of its top officials. Steve Trigg and Phil Harper are now facing separate charges relating to extra chip -- extra payments that he was alleged to have been paid outside the salary cap.

With me now on the program is the political editor of 'The West Australian' newspaper, Andrew, and Philip Khoury, the chief political correspondent at the 'Sydney Morning Herald'. Can I start off at the story on the front page of the Australian. The whistle blows -- the whistleblower that alerted them to $5000 payment to Julie K's bank account.What did you make a Julia Gillard's response? The story is that her former boyfriend, the supposedly corrupt Bruce Wilson, pulled out $5000 and gave it to a union official and told him to put it in a bank account. There is no explanation where the money came from, what it was to be used for or anything like that but there are certainly lots of innuendo. So the prime minister is pretty angry. She just did a doorstop in Queensland and said that the story contained no allegation or substance.She did not address the matter of the $5000, whether it was put into her bank account or not but wrote the whole thing off as an ongoing smear campaign against her and says that she has done nothing wrong. That player is a little bit of that news conference that the prime minister held in Brisbane a bit earlier. Having read today's Australian, there is not one substantiated allegations. It is not contain one allegation of wrong doing by me. 'The Australian' newspaper has spent months and months and months and so calls investigative journalism looking at this matter and after all of those months and months of looking, there is not one substantiated allegation of wrong doing by me.'The Australian' newspaper is not the only newspaper to be pursuing investigations of this nature, Andrew, do you think that the prime minister is her response that she held a very long news conference and answer questions but it did not relate to this?Laragh and the political tactic is to not get engaged in answering details of the latest allegations and so on because she thinks that as soon as she does that then it becomes a slippery slope and what she says is then judged against other things. They have taken that strategy and the fact is that she will just say that this is a substantiated smear and at this stage, with the Australian story, there is nothing to suggest that indeed there was anything done wrong by her. That is the way that she will try and keep it.Do you think, Philip, that we might end up seeing another news conference or statement to clear things up? At the time, the minister said that she would not answer any more questions.You get the feeling that you are to do something again because more titbits keep coming out. Like the stuff today. This is a claim that someone made to Ian Cambridge who was involved with the union back then and he made an entry in a diary back in 1996. There is no evidence of the transport that has been juiced. It is just a diary note that found its way to the Australian. Every time that the prime minister wrote -- responds to this, she keeps it going is a story that the Coalition will go hell for leather on this in the final sitting week served the prime ministers is not to a doorstop or a statement to Parliament, she will come under the pump in Parliament to answer some questions and we will see it played out in that forum.It has not been a smooth couple of days for Tony Abbott either. Jim White says that the description of him as being an urban aboriginal is unhelpful.It has not gone down well. I do not think he is very happy about that. It is quite a curious thing that Tony Abbott saw fit to involve himself in a preselection in the Northern Territory, let alone anywhere. A leader getting involved in the preselection is a big step. It is also a step that is usually only taken when you are assured of a result and you get your preferred candidate. It is quite clear that his preferred candidate, Alice Anderson, is by no means certain to effectively defect because the CLP is a different party Cauchy was in the Labor Party before that. But I think it is an unfortunate thing that he has said to this meeting on Saturday night when he referred to Ken white as not being a man of culture. There is a background to that because culture was a big, hot topic in the Northern Territory election where you had rival aboriginal candidates accusing the other of not being as traditional as them and not being of language and so on. It is a sensitive issue. It is exceedingly centred -- sensitive and that it was a gaffe to enter into this.I will go to Philip on the speakers Tony Abbott referred to Alison Anderson who he wants to run as a Liberal candidate, he described her as being an authentic indigenous representative of central Australia compared to Ken white, who is from Perth.It was clumsy language, very clumsy language. Abbott does a lot and he has a passion and interest in aboriginal Australians. He does a lot about it and always has. I don't you could accuse him of being a racist or insensitive by any means. He is probably in more in tune with the plight of aboriginals than anyone else in the building. It was clumsy language, silly language. You do not start pigeonholing aboriginal people. Ken white has taken offence and so have numerous other regional people. He did not mean to offend but he has. It is a mistake, he run Ken and grovelled at a press conference today and it will probably move on. But it is an emerging pattern that he/she is making these accidents at the moment.He rang Ken white on the Monday because of this story that was going to be in the strain yesterday so he made the other, is the day after.It is careless language. He got caught in a pickle on the today show on electricity prices whenever stock standard answer that he could have given that his brain did not engage quick enough. You have to be careful, it is getting to the pointy end of the season and yet to be a lot more careful.Indeed. I agree 100%. In terms of his commitments to the indigenous community, it is a strong commitment so no one could question that but this is another gaffe to add to the list of them. A quick break and I will be back with Professor Ross Guymer --Garnaut.

The Congress of the Chinese Communist Party is wrapping up after a week of meetings and it is going to anoint its new leadership over the next few days. For his thoughts on this I spoke to Professor Ross Garnaut a bit earlier in the day. He is a former ambassador to China and the author of the seminal paper, Australia and the North East ascendancy. A professorial fellow at the University of Melbourne and a distinguished professor of economics at AMU. I spoke to him earlier in the day. Thank you very much your time. This transition in Beijing, the transition once in a decade, of its leadership, it is almost complete. What do we know about the anointed successor, the jinking?Personally, he is the first general secretary of the party since the 70s that I haven't been personally. This is not a personal observation, but he has strong Communist party pedigree. He has been safe hands in a number of senior roles in government and the party. He will have broad base of support in the party. He should be in a position confidently to go about consolidating the importance changes in policy that has been discussed and starting to be implemented over the last few years. Detainees described him as a princeling, the next generation of their first leaders of the Communist Party. What does that say a about his worldview? Do you think we should expect or anticipate any major shift in policy?Well... The category princeling incorporates a wide range of ideological perspectives. The press of the range -- the range has been demonstrated by what has been written in a 'The Sydney Morning Herald'. You get amongst that category of people some that have the soldier for older and simpler times in the Chinese Communist times and to get some who quite strongly committed to political institutional reform. Some very strongly committed to restoring momentum and economic reform. The fact that their children are a powerful Communist party figures of earlier generations is not determine a particular outlook. It does mean that the jinking and the Premier will share backgrounds that'll probably be a source of political strength within the Communist Party. -- Xi Jinping. It may increase confident in reforms changing. But being a princeling in itself does not give you a particular set of reform objectives. How much

That is to be unveiled on Thursday with the new leadership. That Or central decision-making body is much more powerful than it used to be in the sense that the President is into all-powerful as they once were.I think it has or has been the case that quite a few people in the top echelons of the Communist Party can be influential if they have clear thoughts on where they want to take things. They have a capacity for leadership. I am not sure that has changed fundamentally in the past generation. But certainly the membership of the bureau will be important. I think the broad shape of policy change over the period ahead is reasonably clear. There has actually been substantial change with President huge and how -- and especially in recent years, there has been an increase in social equity and concern to reduce the tendency to inequality of incomes and wealth to rise over time. Rate environment -- great environment and increase of services to people in rural areas and a greater focus on environmental amenity both locally and China and China's contribution to a stable global environment. Especially climate. China is a big ship. The Chinese economy and society is a big ship, slow to change. I think the former leaders have done more than their formerly given credit for in changing thinking about directions of the economy and society. The new leadership will be in a strong position to build on its change. The ship has started to turn. I expect that the turning will go much further and from China to start gaining steam in many directions under the new leadership. We have obviously seen such dramatic opening of the economy and liberalisation of the Chinese economy over recent decades. Can you give us a sense of just how much pressure there is on the leadership through -- to liberalise the political system? You referred to your son John recently and his piece about the foundation, a think tank operating under the radar to try to pressure the Chinese leadership to pursue free markets and democracy when we are talking about liberalisation and democracy in China, is it the same democracy we are talking about in Australia? What sort of opening up the political system we actually expecting all we see as realistic? It is natural when you get such big changes in the economic structures of society for there to be pressure for political change. It actually has been immense change since the reforms began in 1978. The personal freedoms at the Chinese have expanded beyond recognition. That has been over the past 30 years. At lower levels of government, the influence of citizens on policy outcomes has become stronger. When citizens aren't able to influence outcomes, they get too strong about it and let the views be known. There are high-profile disputes that the leadership in Beijing recognises it has to deal with. Different question about directions of change in the high political superstructure. The mantra of the Communist Party is that it won't change. The primacy of the Communist party will be maintained. There is talk about freeing up of processors, more competitive processes within the Communist Party but there is not a lot of discussion within the top leadership about multiple political parties competing for power. There is a very interesting, I think exciting, Gomez going on within China -- deferment going on within China. People talking about the Chinese political structure and the idea of the word of democratisation cropping up frequently in conversation. But not many Chinese think it would be wise to China, it simply to adopt a carbon copy of Western models. Institutional democracy. I remember a conversation a few decades ago with a past president on this point. He says then that he wouldn't want China to adopt Western democratic institutions because they make it so easy for money to buy policy. The money to buy politics. He distinguished that situation from true democratic influence. China will have all of these debates. What comes out of it I am pretty sure, will be a system in which citizens have a stronger influence over who forms the leadership and what sorts of policies are adopted. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the institutionalisation in China of the particular forms of competitive democracy that we have become familiar with in the West.A few issues to finish, if I can, the handling of the case around the disgraced politician poacher lie, what have you made of that? The way it has been handled in the courts. You have to say that you compare that to the past. It is a more general tendency to accept and to seek a larger world of law. Larger is a comparative word. We all know that there is a long way to go. Big limitations on the reach of the rule of law in China. Processors of dealing with that in an encouraging direction. More generally, the change of leadership in China in an authoritarian political party is always fraught process. There is no accepted, legitimate processes for selecting leadership. Necessarily there is internal struggle and outcomes are often not all that clear. That is more obvious in this transition than an earlier ones. Charming became secretary because the grand figure with legitimacy established in the revolution and in the early Communist years played a key role in 19 him. Hu Jintao urged with an anointment from an earlier generation of leaders amongst whom jinking was significant. - Jinping. This is the first that doesn't require an anointment from the previous generation. This is or is going to be a more challenging one. The fact that China seemed to get through it without a bigger disruption and we have seen is a good sign for stability.And finally, we have seen some tensions in the South China Sea in terms of China's foreign policy. Would expect a more assertive China on international stage with a new leadership?I think that as China grows what powerful economically, it is inevitable that its weight in international political system will grow. It is a natural outcome of growing economic strength. The community of China would expect a rise in China's economic and strategic weight to be accompanied by greater influence in international sphere. I think that is a trend that is going to be part of the backdrop of International relations for a long time into the future. That means that China, whether it likes it or not, will come to accept greater leadership responsibilities in the great global issues like strategic stability and the world as a whole, including issues of nuclear proliferation and issues like climate change and stabilisation of the global climate in ways that are consistent with maintenance of economic prosperity in the world. So, China will be called upon to accept greater responsibility in these areas and all of the international as well as domestic pressures will be in the direction of causing to accept those responsibilities.Professor Ross Garnaut, I appreciate your time and insight. We will have more on the China transition over the next few days as the new leadership is anointed in Beijing. Stay with us for full coverage on a very important development in China. That is all for PM Agenda tonight. Thank you for being with us. The news is next. Live Captioning by Ai-Media www.ai- media.tv