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Indonesia says deforestation cash not enough

Broadcast: 08/09/2007

Reporter: Geoff Thompson

Officials in Indonesia say a multi-million-dollar Australian project to fight deforestation there
is a waste of money.

Transcript

LEIGH SALES: With APEC getting down to business tomorrow, it's expected a communiqué on climate
change will be issued soon. But as Indonesian officials revealed today, dealing with global warming
requires a lot more than words on paper. They say a multi-million-dollar Australian project to
fight deforestation in Indonesia is a waste of money. The Federal Government has committed $10
million to the scheme in Indonesia, but locals say the money is spread too thinly and won't do much
good. From Jakarta, the ABC's Geoff Thompson reports.

GEOFF THOMPSON: Jakarta may be one of the world's most polluted cities, but urban development is
not to blame for Indonesia's ranking as the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world.
That's because of this - fires every year on deforested land where carbon rich peat burns out of
control. $10 million of Australia's $200 million global forest initiative has been committed to the
problem this year, but the scheme is just not enough to make a difference, says Indonesia.

RACHMAT WITOELAR: It will not solve too many problems because they are divided into so many areas
over five years. That's not a lot of forests.

GOEFF THOMPSON: Indonesia welcomes the idea behind the initiative and APEC's climate change focus.
But experts argue that forest sustainability programs are challenged by the local reality - that
the forests are worth more dead than alive.

EMIL SALIM, PRESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT ADVISOR: Stop talking about $200 million, $10 million. It's
not money. It's a capacity of a new development by raising the value added of the forest.

GOEFF THOMPSON: With its population of it 230 million expected to expand by another 100 million
over the next 30 years, Indonesia says it needs land more than Australia's ideas. In December in
Bali, Indonesia hosts the United Nations framework convention on climate change. and it's there it
will push for what it really wants out of the next Kyoto style agreement, and that's access to the
world's billions of dollars in carbon credits, not just for the forests it plants, but those that
it keeps. Geoff Thompson, Lateline.