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Time now for Mike Bowers of his regular segment, and this week, an extended edition Talking Pictures. with the 'SMH' newspaper. and I'm Pictorial Editor I'm Michael Bowers

with Malcolm and Tammy Fraser. I'm talking pictures this morning You've recently donated photographs and archival material a stack of personal papers, Archive. to the University of Melbourne What's in the Fraser Collection? Oh, an awful lot of things. my public, private papers together I wanted to keep and Melbourne University Law School and the library together were interested in this

who really organised it. and they're the ones They got the university interested the whole lot goes over to them. so you know, when I cark it, Tammy, Was there anything in there, At this early stage of your career on your mind? did you have the prime ministership heading towards, do you think? Was it something you were always I very much doubt it.

in politics, Whatever job I was seeking I suppose the main thing is

"at the moment" to do whatever I was doing as well as I could.

it was accidental, anyway. When I went into politics The organiser said, in the ring? "Why don't you throw your hat "You won't win the party in Victoria is standing, "because a former president of "Magnus McCormack, "and he'll win." But I threw my hat in the ring I might as well try and win it - and then I thought in a race, what's the point of running dead and I won it so I was stuck. It was never intended. I was 24 when that happened. in politics? Was it the life that you expected, Was it an intrusive life, all the time? having cameras poked at you I had no idea what to expect. I was 20 when I married Malcolm at that point. but he was a Member of Parliament don't know what you're getting into And I think it's as well that we or the worse in those days, but you take it on with the better and here we are. to have a family and have a career? Was it tough on the family at times, as being tough or not tough. We never looked at it it was how you were. It was what you did, and so that is what you dealt with. This was your life in the same way - And the children dealt with it that was Dad, that was his job

this self-agonising thing and we didn't do or not nice. over whether it was nice or naughty This was a photo that struck me Minister for the Army. from your time as when you were of a helicopter. It's actually you hanging out That looked like a fun job to have. to have at the time? Was it one of the better portfolios was fun. Well, Minister for the Army was challenging. Minister for Defence for the Army wasn't fun, Quite a lot of the Minister before I was Minister because while the decision was taken and before I was in the Government, I was the Minister were being sent to Vietnam when national servicemen you could use for that. and fun is the last word

Yeah. when I was visiting Vietnam I can remember one occasion where our own troops were. and being shown to that spot We had to get from this spot said, and whoever was ushering us around for the next 20 yards, would you?" "Just bend down and run "What's that for?" "Oh, there's a sniper in the hills occasionally." "and he shoots out here Through your Prime Ministership of the United States. you actually saw three Presidents Was there one that stood out for you? Well, in different ways. President Reagan stood out, as Tammy said a moment ago, rebuilt America's pride. Which he certainly did after Vietnam. He was a warm-hearted person. I don't think anyone can say he was the greatest intellect around but he did have some very able people working for him and the policies he set in place helped over time to bring an end to the Soviet Union.

I must - I really want to know what he was telling you here. Is it shock, or where you disagreeing with him? I don't think I was disagreeing with him. He's probably telling me about his scar. When we were visiting him he was just back on deck from being nearly assassinated. Do you remember that? Yes I do. They all joked about him being a cowboy hero as a president. Well he actually behaved like a hero, I consider, on that occasion when it was very nasty and he had a lung pierced by a bullet. He didn't try and show you the scar? No, no, no. I was nearly going to ask for it but I wasn't quite brave enough. LAUGHTER Jimmy Carter was an entirely different sort of person whose reputation has probably grown every year he has been out of the Presidency. He has done an enormous amount of good work through the Carter Center in years since, and continues to do so. He's a very committed and dedicated person. These pictures were from the north when you were up on a tour and you're sitting, quite comfortably here,

I'm getting lessons on a daily

I'm getting lessons on a daily photo shop and I've got a desk top

shop and I've got a desk top printer and I think the quality you can get,

you know, it's economical and

remarkable. This picture struck me

as a casino show . What's going on

here? You've just been handed the

reins, I understand? I was handed

and reins as I got into the buggy

Doug - this is in his electorate -

and anyway Doug said to me, "Here

Malcolm you'd better take the reins

other than you'll say the National

Party is driving the government. Was it emotionally hard to let go of the Prime Ministership? other than you'll say the National Party is driving the government. Party is driving the government. " Was it a tough ask when one day you're the Prime Minister and the next you're just a backbench member again? Well, it's something that just happens and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Somebody else has made -

or a lot of people have made that decision for you. Does he sit at home giving advice on how the government should be run? Is he like one of those people who says, "It should be like this or that" or, "I would have done it like this"? No, no, but there is obviously points of reference along the way where views aren't the same at all. And he sort of flies to paper and writes a little article so people know what he thinks and we all feel better.

LAUGHTER Was it a relief for you when the prime ministership ended?

Did you have a sense of, "Now I can get back to my life now"? Um, not really. Not really. I think it ended very suddenly, and we were fighting against Hawke

and I don't think Malcolm would ever have beaten Hawke at that point. I think he would have beaten Hayden. So that was a disappointment in the end. For Mr Hayden, too, I think! Yes, well, probably. But it was very nice getting back to the country

and I think sort of adapted to it because I knew how to dial the phone and drive the car and Malcolm hadn't done that for some years. I leant. I learnt! You had to relearn all that. LAUGHTER Look, I've had a great time talking with you this morning. Thanks for taking the time. That's fine. Pleasure.

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