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(generated from captions) them, and speaking directly to them, using their Twitter handle, to send them direct and public messages saying "Go kill yourself, hang yourself, drown yourself", as people said to Charlotte Dawson and people said to me and koupbtdless ace non-mouse people who don't have the benefit of pa public platform to respond. public platform to respond.We have to wrap up. How do we establish a more civilised discourse with one another?We start with the Daily Telegraph not putting rats tails on Parliamentians.I'm not suing -- suggesting that'm not suing -- suggesting that is the answer to this issue. the answer to this issue. This is about behaviour. It's about people being able to act on impulse easily, to be able to generate those comments more broadly around the world. How do we address that?I think we've all appreciated tonight that representations do have the kapsty to injury and harm others. As individuals we need to recognise that. Secondly, we need to have more effective law enforcement in respect of setting the standards, and ensuring that in a just society that people who go over the line are detected and prosecuted. Stephen, final comment from you?I will use my time to speak about the law. We have got the laws over here in the UK to deal with this sort of thing. It's not really as effective as some people would like it to be. I know of at least three or four different people who have been prosecuted and people are still going on. The hardcore people don't seem to care. There's nothing wrong with taking the piss and that is what a lot of trolls are about. I think the wider issue is you need to start separateing the trolls like myself ing the trolls like myself that are out taking the piss and winding someone up from the bullies and you need to start dealing with ou need to start dealing with the bullying side of it rather than trying to pass around these meaningless labels of calling everybody a troll.Jamie, final comment?I think the problem is personally systemic but mostly a cultural problem if that you have bullies and you have people that you know are going to push people over to that edge to the precipice of despair. It's a very sticky issue dealing with anonimity in the Internet, and especially with privacy and they encroach in surveillance and it's an ongoing discussion.Weev?I think that this issue, the core of it is that people are so dissatisfied. I think they are dissatisfied is because our generation is the firstt in a long time that knows it is looking downward and our civil raigtsations are in decline. If you want people to be less discontented, improve the management of the society, spread wealth a bit more and generally have people have a sense of a positive outlook on the future. As long as think think the future is negative, nk the future is negative, they will be at war with the external society.Whitney, final xent from you?The implications of legislation where go going to be widespread and will affect way despread and will affect way more people than just trolls. If you take anonimity away it is going to have, it would have immediate impact on groups of people who aren't trolling at all and who, you know, need anonimity for personal expression or for safety issues or to whistle blow or whatever else. It is really important we take as much care and time as we can to clearly define legislation that doesn't end up undermineing the very goal we're trying to accomplish. Stephen, I would like you to have the last word in here.Yes, look, I think Twitter, Facebook, really need to take really the front step on the y the front step on the whole thing. And then they need to be followed up by the authorities. Thed up by the authorities. The authorities need to be trained in this area a lot more. It is a new area. It is an area that is untapped. No-one knows what is going on. You can say whatever you want to say. You can do whatever you want, because it's a bottomless pit. That's all it is, a big fat pit. A big fat pit. Okay, thank you all very much for joining us tonight. It's been terrific to talk to you. Thank you to our international guests. Weev thank you for your time. Stephen, Jamie and Whitney, thank you all very much for joining us, it's been great to take to you. You can keep talking about this online. You can go to our website, Twitter or Insight's Facebook page if you are game. Next week - our soldiers in Afghanistan. The personal costs of the war. They don't feel comfortable in coming forward. It's not part of their self-image as combat soldiers, as warriors and it's hard for them to admit they have a problem.We will be bak next week.Supertext captions by Red Bee Media


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Tonight, the tour's journey - a remarkable insider's view as an asylum seeker films his own desperate voyage to Australia. People crying, shouting. It was like a scene from doomsday.Have you known anyone to die on these trips?Having just escapeed death he and his friends have also escaped detention and are on the run in Jakarta.There are not that many choices for me.

That's a very rare story coming up. A walk in the shoes of a man with nowhere to turn. Also tonight - the shooting that shocked the worldment When a Taliban gunman boarded a bus in Pakistan's Swat Valley last week and shot a 14-year-old schoolgirl activist the attack was condemned from Islamabad to Washington. We joined the brave young girl in her village before the shooting as she defied the Taliban and provoked their wrath.I want to get my education and to become a doctor. And the party is over in Laos. Years of drunken hedonism resulting in numerous deaths has resulted in the government saying enough is enough. But will the crackdown actually work?Give it another two months and - and it will be back to 80% what it was last year.We've all seen footage of refugee boats coming into Australian waters but tonight we're on board one of those boats. An Afghan asylum seeker filmed and photographed his perilous journey across the globe, recently boarding a boat headed for Christmas Island with 90 other souls. It was a journey that went horribley wrong and was filmed at every step. Tens of thousands have made this crossing to Australia. We have read and heard their accounts but we have never seen ab insider's view like this one.

Batoor has had a tough week. His refugee boat to Australia sank. He was captured by Indonesian police and escaped from detention. He is now on the run in Jakarta pondering his next move.Have you had contact with the smuggler? Does the smuggler know that the boat has gone down?Yes, he knows.What is his response?He is not happy. He is not happy. Because he lost his money on that.Yeah. For Batoor the prospect of getting on another boat is a little too traumatic. It's been less than a week since the boat sank. In that time he has found six of his fellow escapees and a safe house for them to rest in while they consider their options. What do you do? What do you do?I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Right now I cannot take any decision about what I should do. But some of my friends or most of them, they are thinking to get another boat and go. But I cannot think of that right now.Do you think the others would go tomorrow if they got a chance?As far as I know, some of them, if they get the call right now, they will leave the next hour.They would still go, tomorrow?Yes.Jakarta is an easy city to get lost in. Thousands of nooks and crnannies where six Afghan anys don't stand out too - Afghanis don't stand out - too much. Not many out - too much. Not many are home but those who are watching for the first time Batoor's recording of his remarkable near-death experience.

For two days and two night that's struggled towards Christmas Island. The old boat made little headway in the heavy seas.

He says that I wasn't conscious and I was vomiting there and I didn't know what was happening.Already? Already, on day 1, yeah.

During the night when people are turning on and off their torchs to give a signal to the other boat for help. By night time it was in trouble and the captain told us already that the boat has leaked and we might not go further, that the water is very bad. There was a big hole in the engine also, like the water was coming from there to. The people started bailing the water with buckets and with pots.

Like we passed many boats that we could see from far away. People were waving the jackets and whistling but it didn't work.

whistling but it didn't work. And they are now whistling, whistling and waving the jackets. But nobody turned. People crying, shouting and praying loudly. It was like a scene from doomsday. I was thinking too that I'm going to die, that I was documenting my death. You could see or you can feel the fear, in my photos, how afraid I was. I can feel it. If I show you definitely you will also feel it.Batoor was a photographer for the US embassy in Afghanistan and a renowned freelancer before that. But none of the chaos of that war torn country prepared him for the chaos of the sea.When I got off the boat, then I jumped into the water, felt like it was taller than my height. That's why my back and my cameras went into the water.So the camera is ruined?Is not working any more. I don't know. Let's check with the repairer.But the footage is OK? Yeah, luckaly that's saved.Why take such risks?Because my life was under threat in Afghanistan and I couldn't live a free life. I couldn't work there.You had work. You had income. I mean, a lot of people are very poor in Afghanistan. You probably weren't.I had a very good job and a very good income. I didn't want to leave my country, but I had no other option.To highlight and draw the world's attention to in a photographic exhibition has been held in Quetta.... Highlighted the scenic beauty of the country.I wanted to show the beautiful part of Afghanistan.But when he showed something a little less beautiful, his personal security began to spiral. In April of this year the Washington post ran a photo essay of Batoor's, exposing one of Afghanistan's darkest secrets.That is about the boys' prostitution in Afghanistan which is called the dancing boys of Afghanistan. The people use boys as a sex slave and make them dance and - like and they put on girls costume on them and put make-up on them and they make them dance in the parties and they have sex with them. That indeed created a lot of problems for me. I got phone calls, threats from people like those who were not happy with the - with that story. People were talking about you or threatening you directly?Yes. Plus I started a modelling agency last year too which was also not liked. A modelling agency?Yes.In Afghanistan?In Afghanistan. It is the first modelling agency in Afghanistan.That's probably not a great idea.It was a great idea for me. I was dreaming to build up, like to do something new in Afghanistan. But I didn't know how sensitive or risky it will be.Yes. His job it will be.Yes. His job at the US embassy became untenable as the controversy surrounding his exposure of the dancing boys' ring grew. His services were no longer required in June and he left with little more than a virtual target on his head - a well-known western collaborater in the eyes of the Taliban. Don't you think the Americans should have a responsibility to you?I think so but...They don't?

With enemies and threats all around, Batoor set his eyes on Australia, but there is no process to apply for Australian asylum in Afghanistan. No Afghanistan. No he thought but to take to the sea. They say I had to put it in the fresh water while it was in the sea. I hope it was in the sea. I hope I will not have the same experience again.Good luck.I know now about it.These are the last images Batoor took as their boat crashed into as their boat crashed into an island and the ref gees struggled to shore. Most of them unable to swim. After a night in the forest they were captured by Indonesian police. But determined for their journey not to end here, Batoor and a group of his friends soon escaped.They took us in the bus to Serang and we were detained in Serang. There was a high wall with broken glass. Big broken glass. We used a pillow and put the pillow on the wall in order not to get injured, and used the bed sheet around our forearms and then jumped through that to the outside.All of this group are Afghan Hazaras living in Afghanistan or neighbouring Pakistan. They are a vulnerable minority in both countries. Can you afford to go back to Afghanistan or Pakistan?No. I couldn't go, because my life is not secure or safe there. There is a lot of targets getting bomb blasting. Only tting bomb blasting. Only Hazara people. No other culture.Sayed, 17, sold his family home to pay the smugglers for his journey. And you left your mother and sister there?Yes, in a neighbour's house.And sold the family home so you could come?I was not wanting to come but my mum forced me to go. My life was already in danger.Laider, now appointed as cook for the group came from Quetta in Pakistan, an even deadlyer place for Hazaras now than in Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan.

Over the past 12 months a string of buses on Haiders route have been attacked by Taliban associates in Pakistan. They film these horrific attacks, dragging off and killing just Hazaras - seen as allies of the international forces in Afghanistan and as Shias, not true Muslims.

And the Hazaras in the market where Haiders work were under constant attack. What cities are you thinking of going to? Do you know what city you want to go to? Despite almost dying on their first attempt to n their first attempt to get to Australia, each of them have their own city picked out as their ultimate target? Sydney?Perth.And most have already made up their minds to move again.Melbourne.OK. So one in every state, yeah. So you will got g on the boat again?Yeah.Again? Yeah.Why go to Australia? Why not another country, a closer country?

They will probably send you to Nauru and you will probably be there for a number of years. Do does - years. Do does - does that affect your decision?It will affect it. But we do not have any other chances. If we - we can't sit here also and we can't go back. So probably we will go to - go wherever they send us. We don't have any other...Choice? Choice, yes.

Choice, yes.Good morning.Good morning.Good morning, sir. How are you?Good.Fine.Ready for a new day?Yeah.Batoor. How are you? Good.How did you sleep?Very nice. What have you got on today? Any plans?We don't have anything to do, just see our friends.So there are many refugees around here?Yeah.So you have a little community here waiting for community here waiting for a phone call pretty much?Waiting for a phone call. That's part phone call. That's part of every day.When the day. When ry day.When the day. When the call do you have to move?As quickly as one hour. 8 hours.And it's just "go, move"? Move.Dozens of Hazara refugees have turned up to this soccer game. The teams fluctuate wildly as team members disappear when their boats come in. But there is always someone new to take their place.To watch this, it's incredible, it's like a social club.Here where we meet, the boys are coming here playing football. You know, this is what we do right now.Everyone here is suspicious of talking on camera, but when I meet Samir, a former international forces translator and now refugee, translator and now refugee, he helps chill the mood.How s chill the mood.How many Hazaras do you think are in this area roughly?2,000 maybe.Hazaras in this area, really? Wow. How long have you been here?Four or five months.Are you waiting for a boat? Have you tried? Have you been on a boat yet?Just one.What happened?The boat was just a problem, broken down or something.Broke down?Everyone here is fleeing some danger but the fate of translators like Samir particularly seems unjust. People who have served international troops or agencies are prime targets for Taliban murders or be headings. A prospect that hangs over all of them now that the international forcow that the international forces are pulling out next year.I will work for the British forces for four years. Been with the Danish in amendment mund province. I'm from hell man province. I hell man province. I have my photos, my certificates, my pass, everything in my pocket.That's you?This is me, yes. This is me during a patrol. So you e during a patrol. So you were translating for the international forces?Yeah, I was interpreting for international forces, coalition forces.So they armedo u?And then they give me the rifle so they give me the rifle so I look like them.This is front line work?Front line work, yeah.And now you're stranded?In Indonesia.When the Americans and Australians leave Afghanistan you can imagine the numbers of people that are going to be trying to runaway then?Yeah, yeah. Loads of - lots yeah. Loads of - lots of people will try to run away. Because the Taliban are raping and killing those people who help the government a and help the ISAF forces, the international forces, the coalition forces.If you help ion forces.If you help them you're in trouble? YeahmentIt's incredible. The British won't help you?As we can see now, you know, like thousands of people work for the British embassy or the British government. If they start this process then anybody that has worked for them they have to take them.But anybody who has worked for them their life is at risk. Maybe they should take them.I have told them.It seems astounding that people who have risked their lives serving America, Britain or Australia are left stranded on the smuggling route. There is no process to apply for asylum inside Afghanistan and the process of officialy applying - applying from here can take at least three years before any answer is given. before any answer is given. Haiders, bus driver and unofficial cook for the escapees, is too unsettled by the sinking boat to try for another just now. He is heading for the UN HCR to start the process of being officialy declaredof being officialy declared an asylum seeker. Step 1, get a token for an interview.Where is it that you come from? s it that you come from?It's a long queue. The token that Haiders gets today entitles him to his first interview in July s first interview in July 2013. He is likely to wait another year to hear the results of that interview, ar the results of that interview, and yet another year before hearing from Australia. With three children waiting for him at home, it will be an agonising wait. A typical twist in a difficult journey sofastidiously and uy and unique neek by the tour. I don't know whether you know whether anyone has done this before?I don't know whether anyone has done it. Before or not but I did it because I just wanted to document it. If nobody is it it zrb did it so it will be part of history, so I can share it with Australia and the ref gees of Australia to put it in their museums.Batoor's video capturess of drama of the boat journey but his photos document the complete saga like no-one has before.We're altogether.All the gang?All the gang, yeah.Leaving Afghanistan, crossing jungles and seas through Asia to get to Indonesia.We are heading to KL.The hidouts, the ruses the chain of smugglers that pass them through each country. These are the people, the smugglers, so you can see their out lines only. This is the first boat?From Malaysia to Indonesia.The payments made to keep the wheels rolling.We were taken it a wooden house. The smugglers came and collected money from each person. You can see the money here.A big pile of money. Yeah a big pile of money he is collecting.Wow. And the people that fell along the way.He is missing on the last boat, carrying around 150 people. Very cool guy. Very cool guy. Very sad. 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