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This is PM Agenda. Hell wrote welcome to the program. This afternoon the now independent MP Craig Thomson will be joining me in the wake of Fair Work Australia confirming its commenced proceedings in the Federal Court. Is Mr Thomson going bankrupt under the weight of legal bill s is his legal team confident of defeating the civil charges against him. That interview in about 15 minutes. Also, today my panel, Leonore Taylor from the 'Sydney Morning Herald' Mark Kenny from theally 'Advertiser' will be talking about the Thompson matter and the Prime Minister's visit to India where she has made some time to take a swipe at Tony Abbott accusing him of being cowardly for not raising the turn back the boats policy during his meeting with the Indonesian President SBY. All of those matters coming up on a busy PM Agenda. Ahead first let's check the latest news headlines with Tracy Spicer.As the mentioned the Prime Minister has labelled the Opposition Leader a coward for failing to raise the issue of turning back asylum seeker boats during a private meeting with the Indonesian President. Speaking from a cricket clinic in India Julia Gillard said Tony Abbott doesn't have the guts to raise big issues on the world stage.But the Opposition insists the controversial policy was discussed, in a lower level meeting. A rare honour for an Opposition Leader, a private meeting in jack arda with -- Jakarta with Indonesia's President. A lot had been made of Tony Abbott's intention to raise asylum seekers policy but the most controversial element of his plan towing back the boats, wasn't discussed. There was no specific identification of the need to so call - what was the term - to turn around the boats. Yeah.The leaders talked in general terms about people smuggling and left the nitty-gritty to the ministers and shadows.It was raise. It was raised between Mr Morrison and Julie Bishop the respective shadow spokesman and Mr Netalagawa the Foreign Minister.The Opposition insists there is no megaphone diplomacy under an Abbott Government, instead a no surprises policy.A Coalition Government will try to deal with its Indonesian counterpart as a candid friend and never make decisions that impact on Indonesia without discussing them first.All the more reason say the Government for him to take the opportunity now.Mr Abbott doesn't have the guts to raise with international leaders issues that he says are important.He talks tough in Canberra, does he talk at all in Jakarta? He's a lion in Canberra and a mouse in Indonesia.Indonesia has made clear it doesn't like the Coalition's toe back policy but Mr Abbott insists it will be part of his solution to stop the flow of asylum seeker boats. He's promised to make Indonesia his first port of call if elected Prime Minister. Meaning an immediate and rigorous test of his diplomatic skills. Delegate negotiations are under way in Sydney that could determine the financial future of a debt-ridden Nine Network. Experts warn unless a deal can be struck today the entertainment giant might go into the hands of administrators. Price price has more. In a meeting room at Gilbert and Tobin lawyers high above Sydney's CBD church talks for Channel Nine and its parent company Nine Entertainment in an effort to avoid administration withent dids exceeding $3 billion -- debts exceeding $3 billion and time running out to refinance them, the chief executive and chairman are reaching an agreement with the companies, the banks who own slices of that debt.Last week it came to an agreement with Goldman Sachs following its second tier debt for a $150 million 7.5% stake in the company but Nine's two senior lenders, Oaktree Capital and Apollo Global Management, hedge funds from the US are unhappy with the deal, only prepared to concede a 2% deal to Goldman Sachs. It is believed the the deal has created a rift between Nine and the US hedge funds. If an agreement can't be reached then administration is a very real possibility. Hundreds of patients have been administered tap water instead of pain relief following the theft of a drug from ambulance Victoria.The ambulance service has reassured the patients they are safe from harm.Sky News Melbourne reporter Loretta Johns has the details.Both police and ambulance Victoria have launched veptions into this and one -- investigations into and one ambulance plooe has been stood down so far. Police are investigating a number of ambulance Victoria stations where this has happened, I'm a number of patients, we are talking about many hundreds of patients.Fentonil is a powerful painkiller said to be 100 times more powerful than morphine. This drug theft and switch means paramed yictions could have unknowingly given -- paramedics could have given patients water in pain.We are the first state to introduce a new vile of this Fenonil it has less in the phial and the phial has a more robust steep cap on it it.It has been revealed problems with Fentonil bottles were discovered two years ago in NSW and it took months for Victoria to request tamper proof bottles and they are only just being rolled out. Police have added drug trafficking to a string of charges against Brisbane man after they discovered $4 million in cash and kilos of drugs stashed in his storage shed. The 32-year-old man faced the Brisbane Magistrates Court today. Sky News Brisbane reporter Joel Philp has the details.32-year-old Arian Jebunzere was refused bail today and the prosecutors detailed exact amount of the drugs and cash found in his storage shed. Police seized.#2.1 kg of cocaine and amphetamine and MDMA and other drugs. A total of $4.106,155 million in legal bank notes was found in the storage shed along with various firearms. Police say they have CCTV footage of him accessing the shed in the west end. The came after a routine traffic stop in fortitude valley. He was on parole for a trafficking offence and pld added the trafficking charge for the various charges already levelled against him. Lawyers say they will contest the charges. Polls continue to point to a knife edge contest in the US, as President Obama and ruckman nominee Romney prepare for their second -- Republican nominee Romney prepare for their second debate. David Speers is in Washington covering the campaign.We haven't seen much of either President Barack Obama or Republican nominee Romney over the last few days of the campaign, both have been businessy pre paying for their second debate. We did briefly briefly see the President earlier today he visited one of the local campaign offices in Virginia, brought pizza along and made a few phone calls from there himself. Really the focus for both men is getting it right in the second of three debates which takes place tomorrow here in the US. Wednesday lunchtime in Australia. Very important for President Obama to try and improve his performance. The first debate was fairly disappointing for the Democrats, a lacklustre performance we have seen a big surge in support for Mitt Romney since then. The polls are close indeed. The latest do have Mitt Romney ahead amongst those who are considered likely to vote. President Obama has signalled he will be more aggressive and come out swinging in the second debate and will call out Mitt Romney where he believes he is not telling the truth and certainly Democrats are hoping for a better performance to stop the momentum that has been running Mitt Romney's way for the last couple of weeks. While the two main conternds have kept their heads down preparing for the debate one of the vice presidential nominees the ruckmans Paul Ryan was addressing a rally -- Republicans pall Ryan was addressing a rally today, he revealed what he is most looking forward to once this election is over in three weeks.After this election, I am going to get to sit in a tree stand with my 10-year-old daughter for her first deer hunt after we have just elected Mitt Romney the next President of the US.Not something you would hear an Australian politician dragging about taking their 10-year-old daughter out to shoot some deer, this close to an election. Things are very different when it comes to hunting and politics in the US.And Sky News will bring you live and uninterrupted coverage of the second presidential debate from midday eastern daylight time on Wednesday. And following the town hall style forum, Sky News political editor David Speers will anchor a special edition of 'lunchtime agenda' from Washington. The UN special envoy to Syria has appealed for Iranian help to calm the country's civil war as conflict between the rebels and government forces approaches its 20th month. Lakdar Brahimi has asked for support from Iran to arrange a ceasefire to coincide with the Muslim festival Ede. Politicians reiterated their calls for a political solution.He has specifically asked the Syrian Government to perhaps start to announce a ceasefire and we hope that if that happens then the opposition will respond positively.Iran stands ready really to help the mission and the UN efforts to ensure a political and democratic political transition to find a peaceful outcome of this ongoing crisis. And in sport, cricket Australia say they understand why the Sydney Sixers are frustrated with the decision to rush Shane Watson home from the Twenty20 Champions League. The Sixers all rounder will head home at the end of the week to freshen up for the up coming test series. If Shane Watson had been playing for his IPL franchise, the raj is tan Royals will still be over there playing and because Cricket Australia will be kowtowed to the Indian board, and I think that's very true as well. But it's a programming issue. We have had T20 World Cup going straight off to the Champions League they have to fit it in between seasons northern and southern hems fear and we are running out of time to play cricket and less than three weeks we have a very important first test match. Too many games not enough time.They are hoping to make it two wins from two matches when they play Yorkshire tomorrow morning our time.The weather:

Back Kieran Gilbert in Canberra as PM Agenda continues.Thank you very much. As we have been reporting throughout the day the Prime Minister continues her visit to - her first visit to India as Prime Minister. We will cross live now to Delhi. Our political reporter Laura Jays is standing by. The PM focusing on strengthening ties with India but took the opportunity also to take a swipe at Tony Abbott over his visit and meeting with SBY in Jakarta? Yes, she was very scathing of Tony Abbott. She is a world away from domestic issues at the moment but in her media confence she was asked about the reports that Tony Abbott hadn't raised the issue of the tow back the boats policy with the Indonesian President. She called this cowardly and said that Tony Abbott is pedalling a myth, that he can actually tow back the boats and she pointed to the absence of raising this with the President as proof that he can't do that.And Laura, there was a symbolic but its likely to be very popular move. The Prime Minister announcing that Sachin Tendulkar, the cricketing great will be appointed to the order of Australia?Yes, this has never been done before for a non-Australian, he is a cricketing God and here in India he's a super star. There is no two ways about it. So this announcement will go a long way for Julia Gillard in the eyes of the Indian public. But it is on to more important things after the cricket clinic this morning. Julia Gillard didn't try her hand at bowling. She said she observed John Howard in 2005 and his bowling left a lot to be desired then. She wasn't going to make the same mistake today. She's on to a few more important things this afternoon, meeting with the CEOs forum with the business leaders from Australia and India. And then on to a cultural festival tonight. Thanks very much for that. We will take a quick break and we will be right back with my interview with independent MP Craig Thomson.

This is PM Agenda. Thanks for your company. The independent MP Craig Thomson has been meeting with his legal team in Sydney today, after Fair Work Australia confirmed yesterday that it's commenced proceedings in the Federal Court. I spoke to the embattled MP a bit earlier in the day. Craig Thomson, thanks for your time I know you have been meeting with your legal team. What's their advice? Are you confident of defeating this claim against you by Fair Work Australia?Nothing 's really changed. We are absolutely confident that these - this civil action taken by Fair Work Australia will fall over. I mean, quite frankly what we are surprised about is that the Commonwealth having spent $400,000 getting KPMG to review their report and being very scathing in terms of the original fair work report, that they have chosen Fair Work Australia has chosen totally to ignore that KPMG report and go ahead with this matter. So they did say some six months ago they were going to do this but we have subsequently had that KPMG report and it's a little surprising they have gone ahead the way they have.Will your team be seeking to have this thrown out when it goes to court on 7 December?I I think 7 December is probably a directions hearing. But we are very confident that on the facts of the matter given what KPMG have said, which backs up what I said when I spoke to parliament in May, that this civil action has no legs on it at all and will be thrown out of court very, very shortly thereafter.Bern adet O'Neil from Fair Work Australia, the general manager, in her statement yesterday she said that the claims against you don't just relate to that initial investigation which as you say KPMG audited. There were additional claims she made. She says that Fair Work Australia is make ing against you. For the record do you deny those additional allegations?Yeah, and absolutely. And categorically but can I also say that I don't think there was any new material that wasn't in the original report. I think what Fair Work Australia did originally was lay out what they said was the case against me and then say these are the breaches of the Acts. They have come up with some new breaches of the Act based on the same material that was in that report. There has been no new investigation by Fair Work Australia, they finished investigating this matter back in March of this year. And there has been nothing new from that. But they have in some senses framed some of it differently and it's quite apparent, just straight away that that's the case in that I think there was close to 200 charges, potential breaches originally, they are down to I think that they are looking at. So you can see there has been some changes there as well as it being framed in a different sense. But none of the actual substantive matters are any different. It comes from the material gathered in a report that's been largely discredited and I look forward to having my day in the fed really court where ke can -- Federal Court where we can show these matters are not in fact truly at all.The allegations - the fresh allegations apparently relate to a connection between withdrawal of cash withdrawals in mid 2006 and the use of that money on escort services. You are saying that that is not new?No they raise that in the original report. Look, Kieran, can you say I'm kind of sick and tired of some of the crap reporting that the News Ltd papers do where they in an effort to try and make the story fresh and sexy pretend there are new issues there. They - clearly didn't read the original report if they are claiming these are new issues because their not. They were there from the start.What - and I'm not going to go through in detail at all or in any sense my defence, I did that in some length in parliament for over an hour, but one thing that was absolutely clear both from Fair Work Australia and anyone else who has looked at these matters was that there were receipts and documents for every cent that was taken out from the cash - from a ATM in terms of cash withdrawals, the evidence that Fair Work Australia themselves put forward was that that was in evidence some six months after I left. Again one of the complete failings of the report and its findings they dismissed that as being an issue and make up these other allegations which have no substance in either fact or in evidence whatsoever. And that's one of the reasons its that KPMG were so scathing when they had a look at this report.Its something which is un dispute ed is the fact this is going to put enormous financial strain potentially on yourself. And the Opposition's cull calling on the government to rule out the government to rule any support, they have done that. Let me put it straight you given the implications if a MP is made bankrupt they have to leave parliament are you at risk of going bankrupt because of these legal proceedings?The only people who keep talking about me being bankrupt are the Opposition and can I say if we are talking about someone who has a bankruptcy of ideas then the Opposition must be experts in terms of this particular area.I have never said that I am going bankrupt. I will be obviously meeting my own costs in relation to this matter, the ALP is not meeting those costs as I sit on the crossbenchers. And I will be defending these matters. As do thousands and thousands of Australians involved in similar sorts of litigation every day. The only people who have raised the issue of bankruptcy are the bankrupt for ideas Opposition that we have down in Canberra.You are not at risk of going bankrupt here?No-one's - I'm not raising that - I'm going bankrupt. I'm not filing for bankruptcy. I'm proceeding in relation to a full defence of these matters. And that's where we are going. Bankruptcy is not something that we have looked at, thought about in any sense because we are defending these issues.Throughout this saga you have denied using the money inprop are youry atly for -- inappropriately for escorts and other things. It look for all intents and purposes like someone has. Do you have any suspicious of who is responsible if you're innocent and if so have you told the police, will you make that clear in court?Look I have raised some of these issues and some of the suspicions in my speech in parliament. And that's where that will lie. In relation to the Victorian police investigation I have only had one conversation with the police at my initiation on the day that I was speaking in parliament where I had some suggestions for some leads as to possible people in terms of those things. They have not requested a formal interview or any interview with me at all since that date. The NSW police in looking at the national office issues reached the conclusion that there were no issues of fraud at all. There has been a further NSW investigation but its as we have seen in the last couple of weeks where that is focused and who that is focused upon.Have you been advised at all those police investigations might wrap up?No, as I said I haven't spoken to the police in either of those issues but can I say that after four years I'm hoping that it's very soon.One final question Craig Thomson, members of the HSU would be bewildered that their money has been used inappropriate lit. As I have said and you said it repeatedly you maintain your innocence but the money was spent while you ran the union. What do you say to the former people that you represented?Well, look I mean they are in at the moment undergoing elections after having admin straighters put in charge of -- administrators put in charge of the branches that were being discussed with this. This is something that's happened some five years after I have left, it will be inappropriate for me to be making any comments while they are off having their elections. I don't know the candidates or what's happened there and really that's something for the current membership of the HSU to look at and make their decisions on.Craig Thomson thank you very much for your time.No problems.Coming up our panel today. Lenore Taylor from the 'Sydney Morning Herald' and Mark Kenny from the Adelaide Advertiser. We will cross to Washington. David Speers has failed that report. A quick break and we will -- filed that report. A quick break and we will be right back.

This is.PM Agenda. Coming up our panel today. Lenore Taylor and Mark keby. First let's check in on the latest news headlines with spice spice spice in the excuse centre -- traceay spicer in the Sky News centre. Julia Gillard has hit out at Tony Abbott describing him as a coward. The Prime Minister's criticism follows revelations the Opposition Leader didn't raise his plan to turn back asylum seeker boats during top level talks with the Indonesian President.However, Tony Abbott insists people smuggling was discussed in the private meeting with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.But the Indonesian Foreign Minister who was also in the meeting says Mr Abbott did not raise his policy of turning back the boats.A meeting of nine entertainment stake holders is under way, as negotiations over the network's debt restructure continues.The media giant which controls the Nine television network may be placed into relationship unless a deal can be reach it into receivership unless a deal can be reached to replace its debts. Administrators may be appointed to carve up the TV, publishing and ticketing company. An investigation has revealed hundreds of ambulance Victoria patients have been administered water instead of pain relief medication.Police are investigating the theft of the powerful drug that was extracted from phials using a syringe and then replaced with tap water. The ambulance service has identified and contacted all patients and reassured them they are safe from harm. The captain of the Costa Concordia which ran acrowd off rocks in Italy has appeared in court and faced survivors and families of the 32 people who died. Francesco Schettino arrived via a back entrance of the theatre which is being used as a courtroom. A judge will decide whether he will stand trial for manslaughter causing the accident in January and for abandoning the ship. In sport Cricket Australia says it understands why the Sydney Sixers are frustrated with a decision to rush Shane Watson home from the Twenty20 Champions League.The sixers all-rounder will head home at the end of the week to freshen up for the up coming test series. Tomorrow's weather:

This is PM Agenda. With me now, national affairs correspond with the 'Sydney Morning Herald' Lenore Taylor and political editor at the Adelaide 'Advertiser' Mark Kenny. Hi Len year first of all Craig Thomson denies there is anything new in the allegations put to the Federal Court by Fair Work Australia. Confident of defeating them as well after meeting his legal team today?That's right I thought the interview is interesting he is still completely maintaining his innocence he will defeat these charges. There is no question of bankruptcy, he's not even thinking about that. He's still coming out fighting. I do think it is interesting that there is still a question about statute of limitations around some of the more serious of the allegations being brought by Fair Work Australia. And it is possible depending on some legal machinations that the 37 allegations against him which carry the big fines could be thrown out just because they are out of time.The other thing is on the issue that goes to the numbers in the House of Representatives, the bankruptcy issue he said he is not the one raising this, he hasn't filed, there is no intention, hasn't considered -- it. That's where the Coalition is obviously going because if a MP is bankrupt they have got to leave the parliament but at this stage the reality is isn't going to effect the numbers as precarious as they are.You wouldn't think it would just because of the amount of time it will take for these things to work their way through the court process and given we have only got roughly about a year, probably less to the next election now technically, theoretically the clock will beat it anyway but even if it were because these aren't criminal matters that question of bankruptcy becomes the one issue by which he could be threet likely tossed out of the parliament.Although there is still a police investigation which could still potentially result in other criminal charges.That's right and there is also the Opposition's claim that he has misled the parliament which is a serious matter as well.You would think if the Federal Court ruled in favour of Fair Work Australia that the parliament would be incumbent upon them to find yes indeed he had misled the parliament.Yeah that's right but what penalty would flow from that? He's not a minister for example but what penalty would flow from that I guess remains to be seen. As I said I think the clock will beat a lot of this stuff. If he's got any sort of legal team at all then clearly there are so many technical matters here and one would think it will be unlikely this court case could proceed all the way to conclusion between now and say August next year.If the 37 allegations that carry penalties are thrown out because of the statute of limitations that leaves the lesser allegations that have to do with breaching HSU rules and of course the HSU didn't have very good rules about spending of money.You get the feeling it wasn't a well planned union.You reckon.Tony Abbott didn't raise the policy of turning back the boats with SBY during his talks. I want to play for the viewers a comment first of all by the Indonesian foreign minister Marty Natalagawa and Prime Minister Gillard responding to this in India.There was no specific identification of the need to so call - what was the term - to yes, to turn around the boats.Mr Abbott doesn't have the guts to raise with international leaders issues that he says are important. So he beats his chest at home but when he's overseas he doesn't have the guts to raise them.The Prime Minister there responding saying he didn't have the guts to raise it when he met with President Yudhoyono. Tony Abbott has repeatedly said the Prime Minister should be in Jakarta talking boats with SBY. He met him and he didn't.He said that when the Prime Minister was in New York and it turned out so was the President. That was a little embarrassing but he met him for the second time now, he met him in July and both occasions he's failed to raise this particular policy. This particular po 8 policy is the hard bit, it is the bit Indonesia will have real problems with and they have expressed that before. So it is little curious. I think is partly a function of the fact when Opposition Leaders meet national leaders they don't really have much say over the agenda but it is curious and even some in his own side admit he didn't at least tick off that box by having some reference to it so he can come out of the meeting say it was touched on.Maybe he didn't want to get the answer. We know the ind s are deeply un-- Indonesians are deeply uncop . Uncomfortable with that policy. The Coalition is saying that he discussed the broad umbrella issues of asylum with the President but this is the biggest issue raining down on that umbrella. This is the thing they disagree on so it is weird it didn't come up.The other thing is, in defence of the Abbott visit is the fact that he met him in the first place. The Prime Minister says it is common place, I think it is common place when leaders visit Australia to meet Opposition Leaders but Opposition Leaders abroad I don't think it is as common as the Prime Minister asserts.That's right. You tend not to get necessarily the head of state, you might meet with senior officials maybe foreign affairs minister and senior legislators that kind of thing. It's not as common to have a - the sort of accommodation that SBY has given Tony Abbott and that probably reflects the proximity of our election, the approximatility of our country, the issues involved. And really, it does make even more curious the fact that in this particular bit of grit in the relationship this whole issue of whether we would simply turn back boats and say well it's your problem, why that wasn't addressed. Now it should be said that Tony Abbott's office is - that the Coalition side is saying look the issue of turning back the boatses was raised by Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop with Marty Natalagawa and others at a subsequent meeting, the prime meeting was about the general issues but either way he left himself open to coming out of that meeting having raised it.He talked up such a big game.That's right and had was inevitable here the Government is saying you are again, this is how the Government is pitting up you talk tough at home, it is very simple and clear at home but when you get overseas it's a bit more nuanced and thapts the reality of foreign -- that's the reality of foreign affairs as bell.This Bernardi matter, the fact he remains unrepentant the South Australian Senator. He stood down from his front bench position but unrepentant on those views.The second time he's sort of been unrepentant in a sense. He's a forceful character and he obviously made those references linking bestiality to gay marriage. The sort of as Malcolm Turnbull described it the worst kind of slippery slope argument. He is retentant to the extent he acknowledges it put his leader in a -- repentant he acknowledges it put his lead in a different position and acknowledges that is why he is on the backbench but his conversation with me he was forceful about the argument, about the merit of the argument and said that he will continue to speak on things in the future. He hasn't written off the possibility of coming back to the front bench. But he says that he will continue to speak on things. I think it is interesting he says a number of issues where he's been described by media commentators and by the Government as being extreme, he says subsequently community views have moved to that position. And he sites opposition to the CPRS, sites border protection, he cites the reaction to the Islamic riot in Sydney recently and a few other things.What do you think Leonore it was problematic and a distraction at first, as a maverick from the backbench now and continuing with these opinions what are the implications for Tony Abbott?I don't think it can be helpful for Tony Abbott. Corny Bernardi has very firm views. He has his own television YouTube station and has a oblog and writes self published books and will not be silenced and whatever he thinks about community opinion in his views I think this view is completely out of step with community opinion entirely out of step with community opinion. Which is why he got sacked in the first place. So continuing to repeat his views is really a not helpful thing for the Coalition leader who is presenting his party as a party of mainstream opinion on social issues.Not the least of which it is another distraction. Tony Abbott's in jacket arta wants to -- Jakarta, wants to be seen as the Statesman and you have on the front page one of the major papers in South Australia.. This is a risk for both sides but particularly Tony Abbott given he is to lose.That's true, although you won't get my criticising politicians for saying - forceful things. At the send of the day what do we want? If we had a choice for spin and message management or people speaking frankly, we will go for for frankly any time.And dictate when you apply to the front bench.That's right, the front bench is locked in and when you are on the backbench you are freeing to speak.The Coalition does have a lot more flex flexibility on that front. Let's look at something else the Prime Minister announced to her visit to India. A order of Australia for Sachin Tendulkar the Indian crickets great.This is a very special owner, very rarely awarded to -- honour, very rarely awarded to someone who is not an Australian citizen or an Australian national. He is away playing cricket surprise, surprise but the award will be conferred on him by minister Crean when he visits India. So a very special honour and recognition of such a great batsman.Brian Lara the west Indian batsman received an honorary order of Australia in 2009. Not the first great cricketer to receive it but a smart move particularly in India where he is basically a God.That's true. I would certainly like in on that trip. I wouldn't mind meeting himself myself.He's not there.When Simon Crean goes to confer that award I will be happy to be along with that for as a lot of cricket fans would I'm certainly impressed by him. What I do want to know and you should be worried about this too, is as a formally very good bowler is why is it only batsmen that get it? That's a good question actually. And I might put that to the powers that be. But in a serious sense this is a symbolic thing but it's a country where we have had strained relations India over the bashings of students, over uranium sales. It hasn't been that smooth and it should be something we are nurturing because after China this has enormous...It's a relationship of enormous economic significance. I think it's a good choice in terms of finding a point of cultural unanimity, both countries love cricket. So I think it is a good start for her visit and she will get up to talking about the uranium issue tomorrow when she meets with Si in tgh and I think they -- Singh and they have got to talk about how they can have a cooperation agreement that will could allow uranium exports but as a starting point for this visit it is a good way to start.With the uranium safeguards agreement, do you see that that will be a fairly smooth if not long process, the establishment of that? Not a long process but it probably will be smooth. At this stage the very fact of starting this process to make it happen is hardly likely to be any resistance to that in India. Obviously some people have a different view and some people have a different view in Australia as well but broadly speaking that has been a stone in the shoe in the relationship and the fact that we are now moving on this I think will be seen as a good thing. It is interesting the point Leonore makes about cricket being the cultural touch stone for the two countries. To some extent we have been guilty of assuming that there are greater similarities between Australia and India. Probably because of cricket and how important it is. But it is a very different country ain lots of ways and it has been a sort of difficult process really building this relationship. We haven't seen a Indian Prime Minister out here for I think it is 27 years.It's been a long time absolutely.There is a lot of work to do but it is a huge emerging middle class, a lot of economic power coming out of India and that's why it's worth doing.Thank you very much for that. A quick break and we will be right back with David Speers from Washington DCC opinion -- DC.

Welcome back to PM Agenda. To the US presidential campaign. Now and one issue that's not getting much of a mention is the issue of climate change. Four years ago fighting global warming formed a big part of Barack Obama's platform but he's rarely mentioned it during this presidential campaign. Meanwhile both leaders, the President and both contenders the President and ruckman challenger Mitt Romney are preparing for tomorrow's secondary debate pierce Speers is in Washington and filed this report. The polls continue to point to a very close contest here in this presidential race. Nationally Mitt Romney is now in front amongst those considered likely to vote. He still has a way to go in some of the key battleground states. Either way, this second of three presidential debates happening here tomorrow night, Wednesday lunchtime Australian time, is very important for both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Particularly for the President to try and stop that momentum that's been running Mitt Romney's way. Both men have been laying very low over the last few days preparing for this second debate, Barack Obama today visited one of his campaign offices in the swing state of Virginia. Taking some pizza along to the local volunteers making some calls from the phone banks there, but apart from that we haven't seen much of the President. Nor Mitt Romney. We did see however Paul Ryan the Republican vice presidential nominee today addressing a rally in his home state of Wisconsin. One thing that struck me and may strike a lot of Australian political observers, the one thing he says he's openly revealing he is most liking forward to once this election is over in a few weeks, taking his young daughter shooting. After this election I'm going to get to sit in a tree stand with my 10-year-old daughter for her first deer hunt after we have just elected Mitt Romney the next President of the US. (APPLAUSE) Of course guns and politic are very different in the US. Hunting is something to be proud of. Particularly in some parts of the country here. Snow now this second presidential debate will involve questions from a crowd of undecided voters so anything really could come up. One thing we are not expecting to come up because it hasn't come up at all in this campaign is the issue of climate change. It of of course it was a big part of Barack Obama's platform four years ago and it has been dominating Australian politics for the last few years. But barely a mention here in the US. Why is that? And do voters really care about global warming now in the US? I spoke to Eric Roston Bloomberg's sustainability editor. What we have seen out of recent polling is that 74% of Americans a # Cording to the yail university study understand that global warming is impacting weather. And just on that level. On that general level. And we have also seen some indication from polls in the last two weeks that voters haven't made up their minds yet, understand climate change enough possibly to sway them towards the way the President speaks about it, we will see.So it is there, it's not there in the volume that people who really follow the issue might like. But there is great resistance to talking about it.Let's look at governor Romney for starters. Has the Republican party hardened its position on climate change and whether humans are contributing to global warming?Yes. And it hardened probably more than 10 years ago. It hardened in the first months of the George W Bush Administration when the administration issued a letter to Congress saying it was not going to seek the regulation of CO2 or legislation to control CO2.What does Mitt Romney now say about global warming? He is just not sure how much humans are impacting?That's correct. The most - at least the longest conversation we have seen about climate change in this campaign so far actually came through an organisation called Science Debate which is a sort of grass roots organisation of scientists and science communicators and institutions trying to get science related questions posed to the candidates.And in the governor's response he did highlight that he's not a scientist, and he sort of moved through the whole question of whether, who or how much to move very quickly into policy where he argues that just economically it doesn't make sense for Americans to pursue this at all and particularly at this time.So don't expect much under a Romney administration on climate change at all?That's a safe assumption.For Barack Obama then four years ago he did campaign strongly on this but then during his first term he took that cap and trade scheme, what we call a price on carbon, off the table. Why?Well, I think he didn't. I think that he made - once he entered office he did not pursue that goal as forcefully as one might have anticipated given the campaign. Congress took it off the table. Our House of Representatives did pass a cap and trade bill... But not the Senate.Not the Senate. So in 2010 it's the Senate that basically passed on that.Do you think the President then backed off in terms of pursuing in?In pursuing it less slatsively.And -- legislationively and when you look at the political rhetoric at the beginning of the administration one tool they felt they have OK Congress if you will not act on this we will do it through executive branch and once the legislation did die in the Senate they in fact pushed through the first mandatory greenhouse gas rules that the US has at the federal level. The two major ones are first having to do with cars, and the new mandate that by 2025 cars reach an average fuel efficiency standard of I think it is 54.5 miles per gallon.How significant are those measures. Are we talking about a big impact in terms of reducing emissions.It's a very big deal. It is an enormous amount of emissions being taken off the table. And with other effects too. Americans at least at this point seem to be more motivated by energy independence. Energy security, extremely compel ing ideas right now.And reducing the use of gas line by that much has -- gasoline by that much has a considerable effect on what's already a decline in the amount of oil the US import Ps.If we look forward to should Barack Obama be re-elect ed what can we expect in the next four years? He's mentioned the whole issue of climate change sparingly in this campaign, what could we expect?I think we have seen that there is a great willingness to use regulatory methods to do what the executive branch can do by itself.The other major effort from the EPA that deserves merit here is just a new proposal, rule on carbon output from large power plants which basically means you probably are going to have a really hard time building a coal-fired power plant in this country.Does that limit the amount of emissions a big power plant can generate?Yes.It is essentially a cap and trade scheme without the trade. It's the cap.It's a - yeah, it's a cap without the trade.One thing I would watch is the ninth largest economy in the world, which is California, in November will begin its cap and trade program. The first auction of permits I think is soon after the election. Coincidentally.And that is a test bed. California has always been a test bed for US environmental law. So we will see if this does come up, climate change, in tomorrow night's second presidential debate. But don't hold your breath. David Speers will have full coverage of that debate. The second crucial for Barack Obama after his poor performance in the first outing and David will have a special edition of 'lunchtime agenda aet after that second debate on Sky News. That's all for PM Agenda today. The news is next. Live Captioning by Ai-Media ai-media.tv