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ALI MOORE, PRESENTER: The lawyers of the man arrested for the twin terrorist attacks in Norway say
his client, Anders Behring Breivik, is probably insane.

Breivik made a brief court appearance overnight during which he claimed he had connections with
other anti-Islamic groups in Norway and several more in other countries.

And authorities in Norway are considering charging Breivik with crimes against humanity, which
carry a maximum sentence of 30 years, nine more than the toughest sentence available for murder.

Police have revised down the death toll from the shooting massacre at the youth camp, with 68 now
believed to have died.

Europe correspondent Philip Williams reports from Oslo.

PHILIP WILLIAMS, REPORTER: Well before Anders Breivik arrived at the court, hundreds had gathered
trying to get a glimpse of the man accused of the nation's most horrifying crimes.

Cutting through the crowd, Espen Eide, the deputy foreign minister who understands the shock and
anger and grief first-hand.

ESPEN EIDE, NORWEGIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER: I'm quite affected myself because my son was at the
island - he is fortunately safe. We share the anguish of the hours where we were wondering what was
going on, but through that and directly I know people who are dead and ... several actually.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: What did your son tell you about that experience?

ESPEN EIDE: Well he was hiding, he was able, with a friend, to hide in a cave for quite a while. We
were actually in touch with him over SMS while he was there, and then he said he had to go but he
was not alone and half an hour later he was on the other side, and he was able to swim and halfway
through he was picked up by a private boat.

He was relatively quickly in safety. Compared to many other parents we are the lucky ones.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Like so many gathered here, the initial shock of the attacks is now focussing on
the man held responsible.

ESPEN EIDEL: It's incredibly difficult to understand. Of course we feel ... but I mean I think it
would be ... I should be careful to reserve my words, but they are quite strong.


ESPEN EIDE: Of course a lot of anger, of course a lot of anger. Anger and disbelief because ... I
mean, complete disbelief.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: The court was closed for security and to deny the accused a platform for his
ideology. Anders Behring Breivik appeared calm. In his mind he was not a murderer but a crusader.

KIM HEGER, JUDGE (VOICEOVER TRANSLATION): Despite the fact that the accused has acknowledged the
actual circumstances, he has not pleaded guilty. According to what the court understands, the
accused believes that he needed to carry out these acts in order to save Norway and Western Europe
from, among other things, cultural Marxism and Muslim takeover.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: The judge also reported Breivik said he was supported by two cells. British police
are now investigating possible links to extreme right-wing organisations there.

DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We're doing everything we possibly can to understand who
these people are, what the threat level is.

There is already an effective unit in the metropolitan police but we're going to build that up,
we're going to do even more to make sure that we keep ourselves safe from these sorts of fanatics.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: It appears Breivik had caught the attention of Norwegian authorities earlier,
suspicious over his purchase of tonnes of fertiliser from a Polish website in May. But Breivik had
leased a farm. It all seemed reasonable, so nothing happened.

Police did have some good news, albeit odd. Three days after the attacks, the death toll on the
island was cut from 86 to 68.

OEYSTEIN MAELAND, NORWEGIAN POLICE COMMISSIONER: The dead people were lying partly in heaps, and it
might have been that some victims were counted twice. The priority was given to help those who were
injured, made the number uncertain.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Anders Breivik's father simply cannot fathom what his son is said to have done. He
didn't want his face shown and he doesn't ever want to see his son's face again either.

with him. In my darkest moments I think that, rather than killing all those people, he should have
taken his own life.

PHILIP WILLIAMS: Many in Norway wish he had too. Here in central Oslo, close to the site of the
bombing, more than 200,000 people gathered to pay their respects to lives so brutally ended. This
is the poignant reply to a man of bombs and bullets, only here it's flowers and solidarity and a
clear message that the Norwegian spirit had not been crushed.