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Hello, and welcome to the program. At the end of the turbulent week in Australian politics and in the Parliament, the full political impact of which won't be known for some time to come. We know the original debate about Peter Slipper, those offensive text messages and the offensive comments continued this week. Last night in the great hall of Parliament, a comedian made an offensive joke about Tony Abbott and Peter Credulin. There have been questions today though why senior ministers stayed at the dinner, this construction and forestry dinner, after the joke was told. It was offensive. The details of which we won't report because of the nature of them. But as I say, ministers have faced criticism for staying there beyond that particular controversy. The Prime Minister was asked about it earlier in the day. We have got a little bit of that to start the program. I was not in attendance when these remarks were made at the CFMEU dinner last night but I did hear this morning that offensive remarks had been made and let me be very clear on the reports to me, the remarks that were made are deeply offensive. They are wrong. The comments should never have been made. It was wrong for them to have been made. And offensive for them to have been made. And the senior minister who stayed on beyond that particular joke was the Deputy Prime Minister, the Treasurer. I have received a statement from his office and the Treasurer says "the comedians comments were very inappropriate and offensive. There is no place for those kinds of comments and I made that clear to the union this morning. " Apparently he also made it clear to the union before any media coverage emerged. We are going to have full reaction to that throughout the program. I will be speaking to Kate Ellis, the Labor front bencher also, the leader of the Senate in the opposition. First though, let's recap the latest news headlines in the Sky News centre. A 22-year-old military engineer has died three days after he was involved in a truck crash during a defensive exercise. Sapper Jordan Penpraze had been in a critical condition since the accident and his family made the decision to turn off his life support at Sydney's Liverpool Hospital this morning. Defences described him as a good soldier who Excelled in his training. Today The Australian Army has lost one of its newest soldiers. The army is a family and we are in mourning. Minister For Defence personnel Warren Snowden has also expressed the Government's condolences. His very sad death is a reminder to us all that being in the ADF is dangerous, whether in Afghanistan or here at home in training. Sapper Jordan Penpraze was due to graduate this week after enlising in April. The man who murdered heart transplant surgeon Victor Chang will walk free from prison after a Sydney court dismissed an appeal to overturn the decision to grant him parole. Cameron Price has been following the story. The bid to keep Chiew Seng Liew behind bars has failed. The NSW Supreme Court here in Sydney dismissing an appeal over the decision to grant parole to the 69-year-old who murdered world renown surgeon, Dr Chang in 1991 during a failed extortion attempt. Outside court, Dr Chang's family, through a victim support group, say they are disappointed with the decision. The decision of the parole decision gives no reasons as to how they came to that decision. For the benefit of justice and for transparency and for all other victims, it is in my view imperative that any decision by the parole authority in relation to either release or continuing detention, should be explained so that not only the victims, but the entire community can actually have confidence in the administration of justice. That has not occurred today. The NSW Attorney-General had appealed the Parole Board's decision saying Mr Liew was unable to meet parole conditions given he is on a bridging visa and due to be deported on release. But Mr Liew's lawyers argued he has advanced Parkinson's disease and that if he wasn't released soon, he would be medically unfit to fly and would likely die in jail or an immigration detengs centre. It is expected Mr Liew will now be taken from the hospital directly to the airport where he will fly back to Malaysia to live with his wife. That could happen as early as next Monday afternoon. The Prime Minister has accused the opposition of a double standard for courting the so-called tainted vote of Craig Thomson in a letter sent earlier this week. The opposition claims it was an honest mistake and renewed its vow not to accept Mr Thomson's vote. It's been a while since Craig Thomson argued the Government's case. What a turn of events, hey. Today, the former Labor MP brandished a letter from the opposition which asks Mr Thomson to considerly consider supporting the Coalition to change superannuation. A vote Tony Abbott has publically declared tainted. He said before you've got to believe what he says in writing. And in writing he is out there trying to get whatever vote he can. Earlier this year, Tony Abbott went to extreme lengths to avoid Mr Thomson's support. Mr Thomson suggests his actions aren't genuine. He is out there saying that my vote is tainted. Well, run from the chamber. But secretly, it's come along, come and have a chat. The letter was sent to all cross benchers and signed by Liberal Senate Mathias Cormann. Under no circumstances will we be accepting his vote. It is a clear example of double standards. I started the week calling out the Liberal party on double standards and here we are, at the end of the parliamentary week, with double standards back on display. Still on display is Julia Gillard's contempt for Tony Abbott, repeating her accusation of misogyny but avoiding this question.Do you believe that Tony Abbott hates women? Because that is the meaning of the word "misogyny". I believe that Mr Abbott should be held to account for the things he said in public life. She has repeatedly called him a misogynyist. This is not a figure of speech. It's a deliberate and calculated statement. It is clear that the Prime Minister needs to call an end to the gender war. There's no sign of a cease fire. There's been a surprise rise in unemployment to its highest level in more than two years. The jobless rate rose to 5.4%, up .3 of a per cent from August. Unemployment rose despite the number of people with jobs increasing by 14,500. The Australian dollar has reacted positively. The Prime Minister and Opposition Leader will leave for Bali later today despite local authorities confirming they have information of a possible terrorist attack. Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott will be among several hundred Australians in Kuta for tomorrow's memorial service to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Bali bombings. Security is on its highest alert here in Bali. I'm standing in Legian Street, one of the most popular night spots in Bali. Many Australians were out last night having a good time, as they always do, some told me they were undeterred about the warning. Others were unaware that Bali has now raised its terror alert warning to its high effectively level. Australia has lowered its warning for Australians travelling to Bali over the past year and they are keeping close notice on that over the next 24 hours. We have heard from governor here in Bali, he is the governor of the region, he was the police chief back at the time of the bombings and received a lot of support for his work in dealing with Islamic terrorists after the bombings but he came out saying they are taking many precautions ahead of tomorrow's ceremony. He says, and he was referring to the comments made by the deputy chief of police, that there was a terror threat against VIPs attending that ceremony here at Jimbaran Bay tomorrow. Up to 4,000 people are expected, including the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, whose arriving here later today, as well as the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and former Prime Minister John Howard but they are not taking any chances, the authorities here, they have brought in extra police and extra military. There will be 1,500 to 2,000 personnel who will be guarding that side of Jimbaran Bay. 4,000 people attending it, including several hundred Australians. Now, the Prime Minister, this is what she had to say about her travel plans over the coming day. For all of the obvious commonsense reasons, we don't comment on security matters or security arrangements. But I am intending to go to Bali, I want to be in Bali, this is a moment of real significance for our nation. 10 years ago, I think we would all remember where we were and how we felt, how shocked we were, I want to spend some time with the families who have really had to absorb such grief. But also for the nation, speak about the journey over the 10 years since and everything that we have done to counter the threat of terrorism in Australia and beyond our shores. And so security will be higher for dignitaries and everyone attending this event tomorrow, but everyone remains on high alert here in Bali. And Sky News will bring you live coverage of the Bali memorial services on Friday. We will take you to the great hall in Parliament in Canberra for the service and the presence of the Governor General and also the service in Bali. Now, the weather forecast.

Back now to Kieran Gilbert in Canberra and PM Agenda. Thanks so much. We have got a busy show ahead and joining me to start it, the deputy leader of the opposition, Julia bushop. You were grilling nicksa rockson today about the text messages between Peter Slipper and James Ashby. What did you want her to explain? This is about the dishonesty of Labor's campaign claiming that the Coalition, in particular Tony Abbott, is sexist, they have even made the vile charge that he is a misogyny, a woman hater. It now transpires that Nicola Roxon has known for some time, and I think we can infer has known for months, of the content of the obscene and disgusting text messages from their choice of speaker, Peter Slipper. And when it became obvious to nicksa rockson that these text messages were going to become public, she immediately sought to settle the case with Peter Slipper and Ashby and offered $50,000 of tax payers funds to ensure that these text messages didn't become public. And even when the messages did become public, neither Nicola Roxon nor Julia Gillard said that the speaker's position was untenable, they didn't quietly go to him and ask him to resign, what they did is fight tooth and nail to keep him in the position as speaker. It was a matter before the courts. It was a matter before the courts. So what has happened to due process? Because they knew of the content of these messages. They could have quietly gone to Peter Slipper and said "We know about these text messages. Your position as speaker is untenable". No, they tried to hide it. Even tried to pay $50,000. But Nicola Roxon said today it is a matter for the court at that time. There was evidence before the court. They have been read into court. They are on the court's website and what they were trying to do is settle the case so that these messages never became public but they are public. This is not a sub duescy matter which means it can't be discussed. But it's a separation of powers matter, isn't it? It is not that at all. That is a complete misunderstanding of the legal process. What Nicola Roxon has done is tried to hide the content of messages that Peter Slipper had sept to his staffer, which everybody knows now were sexist and yet she said that they will see sexism and misogyny and then they will act on it. In fact, Julia Gillard said this is a Government that when they see sexism and misogyny, they call it for what it is. They have tried to call it up to say...On the Slater and Gordon matter, you raised it again today and there was nothing new on that. The Prime Minister spent over an hour answering questions on this issue. Hasn't she exhausted it? No, this came about as a result of the Prime Minister's answer yesterday to the conduct and regulation of unions and she said that if somebody becomes aware of wrongdoing within a union, then they should alert the relevant authorities immediately. And I asked her the simple question...But the police are investigating it, aren't they? I asked her the simple question. When she became aware of wrongdoing in the Slater and Gordon case, did she notify the appropriate authorities and she did not notify the police. She didn't need to. Kieran, please. At the time, she is a practising solicitor. She had obligations to the court. She had obligations to her client. She had obligations to her firm's professional indemnity insurers. She had obligations to the legal profession in Victoria. She had obligations, according to her own standard, to alert this matter to the appropriate authorities. I know you have got to go, I want to ask you about one last issue. There was a joke made last night at a union dinner in the great hall of Parliament, the Treasurer gave a speech after it but he said he gave the speech and left, he condemned the joke, he told the union officials it was offensive and then he left.They have all condemned it. Are you satisfied with that? No, I'm not. Labor Ministers have failed the very test that they said for Coalition members. When an offensive joke was made about Tony Abbott's female Chief of Staff, an offensive remark was made in their presence on their own test, they should have stood up and left. Not only did wb stay, but he made a speech -- did wb stay. But he made a speech. When it was the Alan Jones matter, the test they set was that any federal member there should have stood up and left and it was unacceptable for them not to do so. But those at that event didn't even raise an eyelid. Kieran please. If Wayne Swan wants to stand on the moral high ground over sexism and misogyny, he should have stood up and left. Not now, not ever again can Labor lecture the Coalition on sexism and misogyny. Thanks for that. Appreciate it. We have got more reaction to that joke that was made last night. Let's play it for you. And let me be very clear on the reports to me, the remarks that were made are deeply offensive. They are wrong. The comments should never have been made. It was wrong for them to have been made. And offensive for them to have been made. What I did is I left the dinner shortly there after, the Labor Party to a person and the union have quickly and swiftly and unequivocally condemned those comments. I don't care if he is a comedian, a radio presenter or the person in the street, there is no tolerance for that sort of stupid tasteless boring remarks. Labor has got some explaining to do. They are trying to set a new benchmark. They can't hold that benchmark themselves. What a surprise. Joe Hockey there, before him Bill Shorten. Joining me now, the minister for employment Kate Ellis. Good to be with you. Can I ask you about the jobs numbers. More jobs created. But the unemployment rate climbs. Is that a worry and can we expect that climb to continue? Well, of course we never like to see an unemployment rate going up but at 5.4%, we are still the envy of the developed world and what we have seen today is that we now have a record 8.1 million people in employment in Australia. We have got the participation rate going up. It means more people have confidence and more people want to take part in our workforce. So there is some positive signs but, of course, we want to see unemployment numbers going down. We want all Australians who have a capacity to work to be working and that's what we are concentrating on and that's what a lot of Government effort has been going into. I want to talk to you about the general politics of this week now. Does anyone come out of this week looking good or has it just been bad for the Parliament full stop? I think the Australian poubl have probably entirely repulsed with a lot of the -- Australian public are probably entirely repulsed with a lot of the debate and with how personal it is. I think that the Australian public would expect us to be talking about policy. We saw in Question Time today there was a large number of questions asked but very few from the opposition on policy matters. And I think that that is what the Australian public want. Equally, I think that there are a large number of people in the Australian public who contend with sexism in their daily lives in their work places and they probably really appreciated seeing the Prime Minister stand up, call it for what it is, and say that we are not going to deal with it in the Parliament, we shouldn't be dealing with it in our work places and we shouldn't be dealing with in the community. What about this joke last night at the dinner though. That was offensive. You heard what Julie Bishop said that the Treasurer failed the Government's own test by staying and giving a speech afterwards. Why didn't he walk out like the Government said, like at that Jones event in Sydney? I think ideally what we want to see and what I want to continue to campaign for is we don't want sexism. We don't want it to happen. But if it does happen, what we want is for people to stand up, call it for what it is, and condemn it and that is exactly what happened in this case. We have heard that from the Prime Minister. We have heard it from the Deputy Prime Minister. And unlike the Alan Jones case, it wasn't when it hit the media, it was after it happened, they of their own volition condemned it and made it very clear to the organisers. They also said that liberal front benchers should have stood up and walked and that is not what Wayne Swan did last night. He stayed and he gave a speech. He had a speech. It was an offensive joke, a ridiculous joke. I wasn't there, I didn't hear, I absolutely accept that it was offensive and I haven't heard it and I'm not really interested in hearing it, but I think that everyone who was there has said it was inappropriate and they've condemned it. I think that that is a step forward and I hope that we see more and more of that and that we see less and less of these jokes and these utterings around Parliament House because we all know this has been going on for a long time and we are all sick and tired of it. Thanks very much for your time. Thank you. A quick break an we will be right back. Stay with us.

This is PM Agenda. We are now going to turn to the jobless rate now and in September it rose from 5.1 to 5.4% despite the fact that more than 30,000 new full-time jobs were created. This was the Prime Minister in Parliament today. 32,000 full-time jobs were created in September. 32,000 Australians who are now in full-time work. For those Australians, that is a life changing moment and ought to be received as such by the opposition rather than interjecting or talking loudly amongst themselves. They should be celebrating that 32,000 Australians got full-time work. The headline figure for the unemployment data released today has been affected by increasing participation. What that means is more people have gone to look for work. And joining me on the program now, the Opposition Leader in the Senate. Senatorerka bets. The Prime Minister makes a valid point that it is actually good news, more than 30,000 new jobs created in September, that participation rates are up, therefore, the headline rate has gone up, but overall the labour market still looks pretty healthy. These figures have been bouncing around. Last month unemployment went down to 5.1% and shocked most commentators. They were expecting an increase. We have now got a .3% increase in one month. Chances are the previous figure was somewhat of a rogue figure. Having said that, having more people in employment is, of course, good. What it indicates is that with the unemployment figure that more people are trying to get into work that are not able to find work and, of course, let's not forget on the Government's own budget estimates, they were expecting unemployment to go up to 5.5% and here we are, after only the first quarter of this financial year, and unemployment is nearly there at 5.5%. But the Government does make the point though that it hasn't been helped by the Queensland Government, Campbell Newman's Government and there were 20,000 jobs lost in Queensland last month alone. Well, the Queensland figure is an interesting figure and we will have to ascertain whether or not it actually includes Queensland public servants because they were all given substantial and generous redundancies and, as of right, they should not be in the figures as yet. But if they are, that is regrettably the legacy of a Labor Government over spending and leaving a debt legacy where, unfortunately, Campbell Newman had to take some very tough decisions. That will resonate, won't it, because the Government is saying that these sorts of cuts and that impact on unemployment in Queensland that we will see it in other States and federally as well in the Coalition. And the Australian people are awake to big budget deficits trying to hide unemployment. You can only do it for so long. They know what's happened in Greece. They know what's happened in Spain. They know what's happened in Ireland. You cannot borrow simply to keep people in employment in the short-term. That scope of job cuts is inevitable, are you saying? Regrettably with Labor's huge budget deficits, a $120 billion black hole, I think the Australian people will be expecting any further Government to take hold of the finances and no longer increase the borrowings and the problem Campbell Newman has has been acknowledged and anticipated by the Queensland people and that is why despite these tough actions by Campbell Newman, his popularity rating is basically as high as it was at the election. Because people know the Liberals don't do this because they want to, they do it because they have to, because of Labor's legacy. What about the joke last night, a joke that related to the Opposition Leader and his Chief of Staffer, I won't go into the details of it, but it was offensive, it has been condemned by all and sundry, the ministers there have condemned it, the Treasurer has issued a statement I received just before the program which says he condemned it on the night, he told the union officials it was offensive, unlike the Liberals at the Jones conference in Sydney, he has made his concerns known. We have a bit of a rewrite of history because what Labor demanded of the Coalition is that anybody that is at such a function should immediately get up and walk out. What did Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard's very own deputy do? Sure, he got up, he walked, but he walked up to the front #57bd gave a speech immediately after -- front and gave a speech immediately after that very tasteless episode. He had the microphone at his mouth. He had the microphone in his hand and he should have started by saying "I want to dissociate myself from that very, very tasteless episode that we have just witnessed". There was no such thing. No such utterance. Are you worried that this debate is becoming - that the whole place is becoming so precious that ridiculous and offensive jokes, people make them from time to time, comedians sometimes aren't that good, isn't that just reality? Kieran, let's be real here. What's occurred, Ms Gillard set the standard by her comments about Alan Jones and others and she's now been hoist on her own pitar, she has been hoist by her own standards and whilst we are talking about Ms Gillard and standards and the advertising boycott of Alan Jones and 2GB, I would invite Ms Gillard to go to Slater and Gordon, her old law firm, and tell them that they should no longer be advertising in the CFMEU magazine, see if she is willing to engage in an advertising boycott of the CFMEU. I think she won't do it. And the reason is these are huge double standard which is now there for all to see. And not only that, might I add. She and her Labor Ministers were deliberately dining last night with a CFMEU, who have, amongst their officials, a man who has 60 criminal convictions against his name. They think that is an appropriate standard. They are happy to dine and wine with him, rub shoulders with him and then on top.that, they have this taste -- then on top of that, they have this tasteless episode. A quick break on PM Agenda. We will be right back.

P This is PM Agenda. Thanks very much for being with us today. Coming up on the program, Dennis Shannihan from 'The Australian'. First though, let's check in on the latest news headlines in the Sky News centre. A soldier injured in a truck rollover at Sydney's army base has died. The 22-year-old Sapper Jordan Penpraze from Victoria passed away this morning. He was one of two soldiers critically injured when an army truck rolled as it came around a corner from the way back on a training exercise. Police are investigating whether speed was a factor in the accident. The man who shot dead a heart surgeon Victor Chang is to be released from prison after a Sydney court dismissed an appeal over his parole. Justice Robert beach Jones dismissed the appeal from the NSW Attorney-General Greg Smith to keep Dr Chang's killer behind bars. He was granted parole last month with an order that he be released no later than Wednesday, that was delayed because of the court proceedings. He will now be released op-Monday and then deported back to Malaysia. The nation's unemployment rate has risen to its highest level in more than two years, a rise that shocked economists. The jobless rate from August to September rose by .3 of a per cent to 5.4%. The rise in unemployment came despite the number of people with jobs increasing by 14,500. The Australian dollar reacted positively to the news, rallying more than a quarter of US cents. Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott will leave for Bali later today despite Indonesian authorities confirming they have information of a possible terrorist attack. The intelligence suggests that dignitaries attending the Bali bombing anniversary may be the target of terrorists and that has seen the alert level upgraded to the highest possible. The Prime Minister and Opposition Leader will be among several hundreds of Australians in Kuta for tomorrow's memorial service to remember those killed in the Bali bombings 10 years ago. Melbourne coach Mark kneeled is confident his previous dealings with Chris Dawes will be enough to lure the big forward to the Demons. The unsettled magpie is believed to be choosing between playing his football at Melbourne, Carlton or the Western Bulldogs. Tomorrow's weather.

Thank you. And now joining me on the program, we have got the chief political correspondent and political editor. Gentlemen, welcome to the program. What a remarkable week. How do you assess it? Who comes out of it looking worse or does the whole place diminished in the eyes of the electorate? I think that is the bottom line. That after a week like this, when all we have is politicians bickering about personal matters, you know, nasty personal attacks, it reflects poorly on the Parliament, it reflects poorly on politics, it reflects poorly on the media because we report it all and I think that there is a sense in the public of just being sick and tired and over it and wish they would get on with some serious problems. What do you think about this apparent disconnect between the mainstream media and the online reaction and, indeed, further to that, the international reaction? Look, I think that personally I feel that the Labor Party is putting too much emphasis on getting great coverage overseas or on websites. There was a lot of boasting yesterday about having a Prime Minister go viral. Well, I can remember when Kevin Rudd went viral on a couple of occasions and neither of them were actually particularly good for his image. So I think that the real imoou for the Labor Party at the moment is to address -- real issue for the Labor Party at the moment is to address Australian voters, getting their message through the media that affects most people, and in seats where they are actually going to have to win, not on boutique websites overseas. Do you think it is going to take a few weeks, possibly even a month or two, to work out the full political ramifications of it? Yeah, I think we will see the next news polls in the next couple of weeks and probably get our first indication publically, whether there has been any change or any impact or how Tony Abbott now sits with female voters and whether this has been good or bad for Julia Gillard. As you just said, we have got these two different views of what happened on Tuesday. The Gillard emerged the triumphant winner and this other view that it wasn't, it was a mess up with the speaker. So I don't think we will know until we see the polls. But certainly I agree with Dennis. I think it was a great speech but probably in the wrong time. Because it was a speech probably people now, as they look back, think shouldn't have to have been made, that maybe they should have anticipated that the slipper thing was going to unravel very rapidly that day and pre-empt it before Question Time and I just think people out there who criticise what other people here have done, fail to realise context. You know, that you have got to look at things in context and not in isolation. And no-one is disputing Julia Gillard gave a great speech but there is a legitimate argument whether she should have had to do it at all. I think that is the nub of it. It is added to the air of chaos around the Government and I think it is almost inevitable that it does and it already has but it starts the chatter again about the leadership. I think on your show a day or so ago, Joel has said he is a Rudd person but it always reflects badly on the Government no matter who it is. That is one of the reasons why the Government has been able to keep that sense of chaos well hung. Dennis. Just in relation to chatter about leadership, I don't think anything is going to happen in the short-term and probably not - certainly not before Christmas. But it just adds to the sense and the Rudd supporters make the point that every time the Government starts to get a bit of clear air, there is another disaster, there is another political strategic mistake, the questioning of judgment and I think that is what we have seen, not so much in the Prime Minister's speech which was a very good speech, but it would have been better if that speech had been delivered somewhere else and for a different reason, apart from defending the highly misogynyist remarks of the speaker. I think the other thing, why the leadership thing always emerges, it relates back to the point that we were talking about originally, that the whole place has been diminished so there is a sense that someone needs to elevate it above the fray and maybe that he could be the adult in the room, so to speak. That's right. And we saw at the beginning of the week, the news poll dropped back to where it was, we are back at trend on primary vote. The Coalition on around 45. Labor on around 32, 33. And that hasn't changed a great deal. And so the politics isn't changing and people are looking for that, you know, circuit breaker and let's hope that it is a circuit breaker that is positive for everyone. There was not a positive contribution last night, a comedian or so-called made a pretty dumb joke. And it's been condemned far and wide. But does it again raise the hypocrisy question as Julia Bishop and Erica bets asserted. It just shows the new level that everything is at. Timing is everything and this timing couldn't have been worse. I mean, you know, you get a Labor function, the Prime Minister had been there but had left, but a bunch of senior members were there, it was a union show and someone makes a stupid lure joke about Tony Abbott and his Chief of Staffer. Sometimes people just don't stop and think. In this hypersensitive environment, you know, where everything has now been elevateed to farce, I think, it was always going to look bad. Now, Gillard did the right thing. She said she heard about it and rang the union boss and tore him a new one and so forth and other people who were there have said that they exhibited various degrees of disgust and Craig Emerson said he left. Basically they are saying they did what Tony Abbott should have done with the a.lan Jones things. I think everybody needs to calm down over the next few weeks before Parliament resumes. Wayne Swan for not leaving. I think it is not really fair to say that they did what they wanted Tony Abbott to do. That Labor, after the aplan Jones despicable remarks, said that people should have left, that there Liberal MPs there that were that should have gone, there was a remark made at a function last night, and the Liberal party is saying why didn't the Labor Party leave? And not only did they not leave, they stayed and made speeches and hung around and they provided apologies the next morning or sought apologies the next morning once it was published. So I think that - or prepared to be published. So I think that the problem is when you set these high bars of acceptable public behaviour, it is impossible to run a regular life in the modern exchange of texts and websites and so on without being touched in some way, innocently or inadvertently, and then have to try and adopt these super high standards. I don't think it is going to work. And I think that after the next three week break from Parliament, let's hope we don't have such an intense atmosphere. Because then where do you draw the line? Is it pub talk or whatever else. Everyone is going to be walking on eggshells. It is stupid. You will never get a comedian ever again at a dinner or press gallery ball which is full of jokes at the expense of everyone in politics. I mean, you can have comedy but you just stay away from the nasty stuff. That's right, I think that is fair. We have only go a minute left. I want to get a quick sense from you on the jobs number. More than 30,000 jobs created. The labour market still looks pretty resilient. There is obviously a big blip in these figures due to the job cuts in Queensland from what I understand. You can't shed 10 or 15,000 public servants and not expect it to have an effect on the national figures. You know, it is high. It is still a number other countries would kill for you about I don't think it is panic stations yet. Look, I think that it is still low on international standards. That is good. It is good for Australia. And I think that there is going to be movements up and down, let's hope that we don't get to the budget estimate of 5.5 too soon. Absolutely. Good to see you both. Thanks a lot for that. We are going to take a gik break and when we return, I will be returned by the foreign affairs official who was the consulate official at the time of the bombings. This is of course at the time of the 10th anniversary of the Bali bombings.

P Welcome back to PM Agenda. On eve of the 10th anniversary of the Bali bombings, I spoke to the Australian consul general who was in Bali at the time of that horrendous moment in our nation's history. Ros Tyso who was only one of two Australian based diplomats in Bali at the time and he gave us a few moments a bit earlier in the week. As you look back on this a decade on, can you describe to us the 24 hours, the 48 hours when you - from the time that you were told of this through? Because you were right on the spot. That's right. Look, it's very - looking back, it is very confusing, there was so much happening. But I was out with dinner with family and friends and we felt the explosion. Quite some distance away. And then one of my staff members who lived in Kuta rang me and said there had been a massive explosion. So I guess I was on the scene within roughly 40 minutes and it was a scene of total chaos and devastation. And when I realised there that the Sari Club in particular had been demolished and Paddy's Pub had been affected, I knew from then that there would be significant number of causalities. It was inevitable. It was a real spot for the younger travellers to be. So from that moment on, we quickly initiated, as I said, that recovery effort. It is really a search and find effort. Because it was clear that - it became clear as the night went on that the hospitals just couldn't cope, the clinics and hospitals were completely overwhelmed and scenes of absolute chaos. I suppose reflecting back, the thing that was that - time seemed to slow down, if you like. We obviously went right through through the night for about 48 hours or so until we were satisfied that every Australian was off the island. But that first word - word of that first plane was just heaven sent really. It seemed like it was never going to come and subsequent planes because there were just so many badly injured people who desperately needed to get to Australian medical facilities. Apart from that, it was, as I say, very chaotic. People, injured people were coming into the consulate, distressed families, all through the night, distressed families obviously desperate to find loved ones who were missing. We had to put people out at the airport because there were reports of seriously injured people trying to get on planes, just ordinary domestic - sorry, international flights out when they really should have been in a hospital or being evacuated. And really rallying around the tremendous and organising the tremendous efforts of local volunteers. The Australian expat reat community in particular in those first few hours were magnificent and came quickly in and answered our calls and boosted our numbers, if you like, and did some very, very traumatic work, some incredible work done there. Beyond the impact on the Australians, there was an enormous impact on the locals as well, wasn't there, that you would have seen in its full scope? It was a very difficult situation. Obviously, for the Balinese and the economy, it relies so much on tourism, but obviously the Australian Government in those first weeks even, it was still very uncertain what had actually happened and, of course, the Government had to put the well fair and health of Australians as its number one priority. So it was very challenging. The tourists stopped coming, especially in the immediate aftermath of the bombing and, of course, that had such an impact on the local economy. Which we were aware of but, as I say, the number one priority is the health and well fair of Australians. But it looks like that link with the Balinese is now, once again, very healthy. Australians have a fondness for the place, don't they? Absolutely. I know in my early training before I headed off to Bali, I was told that if anything serious happened in Bali, it would be the biggest story in Australia because so many Australians have been to Bali, so many have fond memories of Bali. In some respects, we think of it a little bit as our backyard. So it was obvious that anything serious there was going to have - and withdrawal of particularly Australian tourists, was going to have an enormous impact on their economy. But that's changed I think. Australians very quickly realised that it wasn't the Balinese people that had perpetrated this atrosity and that great affection for Bali is carrying on now. For a personal level, it is obviously such a traumatic thing to go through, to see fellow Australians in such a tough place, how would you characterise it in your career and in your life? Look, obviously we had a huge impact on my work. We are trained to deal with these things, that as I said, is why we are there. If something does go wrong over seas, then it is our role to step up and to be that conduit, if you like, between the Australian response here and on the ground. But nothing could prepare you for what actually happened in those few days. I think the first 48 hours or so was just so - we were all just so focussed on the job that we had to do. It was very hard, as I said, to understand what was happening. Very soon afterwards, we became aware that there were many, many Australians in Bali who were desperately searching for relatives and we convened the next thing, we moved straight in to, if you like, after the medical evacuation, into the recovery effort and that involved my hosting family meetings and that's when it really - the enormity of it really started to strike home to me, I guess. On a daily basis, dealing with the families, the many hundreds of peoples, families coming in, friends who were flying in, coming in to help search and, of course, the Indonesian response, they did a wonderful effort, but again, they were very overwhelmed in the aftermath of the bombing as well. And I guess that really struck home. That was a very - personally, that was a very challenging time. Was seeing the grief and the outpouring of emotion from the - obviously very, very distraught families. You will be there in Bali on the day, on the 10th anniversary, how important is it to you and how important is it do you think in the overall process, healing process, that so many people are still very much engaged in? Yeah look, I had a wonderful interview this morning actually on a radio from a survivor from the bombing and he spoke very eloquently on what it meant to him. We have all been through it. But I would never put myself in the same situation as a family member who had lost a relative or someone who was badly injured in the bombing. I just can't imagine what they will be going through on this 10th anniversary. Thanks so much for just time and your reflections at this difficult time for so many. Thanks. The Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will be attending the comemation in Bali tomorrow. These are their reflections in the house today. I hope every Australian finds time tomorrow to reflect, either at one of the public gatherings or alone in the silence of their hearts, together we remember a great loss inflicted on our own. 88 Australians taken from us forever. For Australians, October the 12th is a date that will always live for me. 88 of us died. 202 people were killed in total. The places targeted were picked precisely because they were places frequented by Australians. So this was an attack on Australia. But it was more than that, madam speaker, it was an attack on civilisation. And on Sky News tomorrow, we will be reflecting on that horrendous day. We will have live coverage of the memorial in Bali, our correspondent Ahron Young will be providing reports from there as well, the memorial here and we have got a specialam agenda, among full coverage I will be speaking to the former Prime Minister, John Howard, so make sure you stay with us right throughout the day. That is all for PM Agenda. The news is next. Live Captioning by Ai-Media