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Live. First tax, now

to employment. Canberra gets down

to work on its jobs forum. The

Afghan Government foils an assassination plot against President Hamid Karzai. A

Victorian man to face court

over the stabbing death of two

men in a neighbourhood brawl.

And Dr Kylie - the Australian

pop singer receives an honorary

degree from a British

university. Good morning. It

Thursday, 6 October. I'm

Michael Rowland. I'm Virginia

Trioli. The top story on ABC

News Breakfast - all the talk

in Canberra this morning will

be today about jobs. About 100

representatives from business,

unions and Government are

gathering for a jobs forum

following the 2-day forum on

tax. Much of the focus will be

on the struggling manufacturing

sector. Unions are pushing for

new measures to encourage

resource companies to use more

locally made goods. For locally made goods. For more, George Roberts joins us from

Canberra. George, what is the

Government hoping to achieve

from the second summit this

week? This is effectively the manufacturing inquiry you have

when you don't have a

manufacturing inquiry. The

reason why the Government went

ahead with this jobs forum is

because there was a push from

mainly the unions after the announcement that 1 thousand

jobs were going from Bluescope

Steel's manufacturing plant at

Port Kembla and the Mornington

Peninsula. There was a push for

an inquiry into manufacturing,

instead the Government

announces this jobs forum. It's

hard to know what will come out

of this but it seems it more

likely to be a bit more of an uncomfortable discussion are the Government. The reason that

seems to be the case is we're

not allowed into most of the

sessions. Whereas we've had the

tax forum over the past two

days and had open slather to be

able to go in there, be in

every session and report on

everything that's said, with

this forum we're aloud in the

opening and closing sessions

and the rest will be closed off

from media attention. That

indicate it's more likely to be

an uncomfortable discussion,

more of a pointed debate and

argument over where the jobs

are, what the Government's

going to do about it, supplying

jobs to various industries

which are struggling to find

workers, those sorts of things.

So it will be interesting to

see what actually comes out of

this forum and how much we're

able to glean. We will have to

pretty much grab delegates as

they come out for a break and

try to find out what's been

going on inside. I suppose not

having cameras there will be a

God send for the Government

because the unions have come up

with a fairly ambitious wish

list, lot of items the Government won't want to

touch. That's right. There's

already a push from the steel and manufacturing industry, a

push for the Government to make

parameters around using locally

made products which many people

see as protectionist measures

so those are the kind of

uncomfortable discussions that

are going to go on inside this

forum so not having us and the

cameras there might make it a

bit easier to have that

conversation behind closed

doors. Finally, George, on

another issue, the manoeuvring

around Andrew Wilkie's move to

crack down on problem gambling has continued. Rob Oakeshott

bought into this debate?

That's right. Rob Oakeshott

went on Lateline last night and

outlined what will frame

whether he decides to vote for

or against the legislation.

Bearing in mind that this is a

deal done with Andrew Wilkie,

he has made the threat and he's

promising to stick to it that

if the Government doesn't pass

these measures early next year

and put in place these

restrictions on poker machines

he'll withdraw his support from

the government, effectively

ending the Gillard Government's

rule, if you like. They need

every vote they can get and one

of those votes is Rob

Oakeshott. He's effectively

said that if the legislation

stacks up with the Productivity

Commission's report into poker

machines then he'll vote for

it, if it doesn't he'll vote

against it. He has indicated

that effectively his vote is

still up for grabs. George

Roberts in Canberra, thank you

very much. Also making news

this morning, the Afghan

Government says that it foiled

an assassination plot against

the President, Hamid Karzai. Six people have been arrested

including one of the

President's body guards. Now

some of those arrested have

links with the Haqqani links with the Haqqani militant group and Al Qaeda. Several of

Mr Karzai's allies, including

his brother, have been killed

in recent months. Greek riot

police have used tear gas and

stun grenades against

protesters in Athens. Thousands

of people gathered outside

parliament to protest against

the latest austerity measures. The demonstration coincided

with a 24-hour strike which caused severe disruptions right

throughout the country. An

Australian man has pleaded

guilty in a US Federal Court to

accepting bribes while working

as a contractor in Afghanistan.

Neil Campbell had been working

for an organisation rebuilding

schools and hospitals. He's

accused of accepting a $10,000

bribe for funneling projects to

an Indian subcontractor.

Campbell faces up to 10 years

jail and a quarter of a million

dollars in fines. A man will

face court today charged with

double homicide in the southwestern Victorian town of

Casterton. Two men were stabbed

to death and two injured in a

neighbourhood dispute on

Tuesday night. Police arrested

a 31-year-old man in Mount

Gambier in SA and he's been

extradited to Victoria.

Australian singer Kylie Minogue

has received an honorary

doctorate from a British

university. She's been made a

doctor of health sciences by

staff at Anglia Ruskin

University. The honour

recognises her work in

promoting breast cancer awareness. Kylie Minogue underwent treatment for breast

cancer back in 2005. We'll

hopefully have more from Dr

Minogue later in the program.

Staying overseas, the

Australian Defence Minister

Stephen Smith has met his US

counterpart Leon Panetta. The

meeting was held ahead of two

days of talks in Brussels where

NATO and its allies will sdhus

war in Afghanistan. After the

meeting, Mr Panetta warned

against NATO and its allies

hollowing out the military

presence in the country. Our

nations are grappling with

significant budget challenges,

putting new pressure on defence

spending that has already been

in decline here on the

continent. But that cannot be

an excuse for walking away from

our national security responsibilities. There are

legitimate questions about

whether, if present trends

continue, NATO will again be

able to sustain the kind of

operations that we have seen in

Libya and Afghanistan without the United States taking on

even more of the burden. It

would be a tragic outcome if

the alliance shed the very

capabilities that allowed it to

so successfully conduct these

operations. Leon Panetta there.

Now a Brisbane flood victim has

told the commission of inquiry

that insurance companies have

caused more damage than the

floods themselves. The inquiry

is examining insurers'

treatment of customers in the wake of the natural disasters

and it's heard evidence of

harrowing experiences of

residents trying to make

claims. Francine Norton

reports. Social worker Sally

Doyle says she's been left

demoralised and dispirited.

CGU has caused a lot of pain to

me. I've lost my house. On top

of that, Ms Doyle says she's

been exposed to a harrowing

insurance process when CGU

rejected her claim on her

damaged rental property in West

End. The floodwater didn't

really cause as much damage as

the insurance company did. The

47-year-old organised a protest

outside CGU's offices after

becoming frustrated by her

experience. She told the

inquiry she later received a

phone call from the CEO of CGU

in which Peter Harmer said, "I

have copies of tapes of

conversations between you and

CGU. I have listened to those

tapes and I know you misled the

media." Ms Doyle replied to

him, "Well, I suppose it's open

season on CGU now." I felt really anxious and sick oto my stomach because I felt like I

was really being targeted in a

quite vining and personal

way. In a statement, CGU says

it is disappointing this has

been interpreted by Ms Doyle in

a enough marner. CGU says it's

changed its communication

process and given staff extra

training in response to

customer feedback but that's

little comfort for Sally Doyle whose case is now before the financial ombudsman. If you

lose your house, there should be a proper assessment process

and if you lose your house you

should be treated with some

level of respect. None of

that's happen for me. The head

of several insurance companies,

including CGU, are due to give

evidence on Thursday. Companies

in NSW will now have to notify

authorities immediately about

environmental breaches or face

stiff penalties. The State's

Premier unveil ed tough new laws

laws to avoid a repeat of the

Orica chemical leak in

Newcastle. Eliza Blue has

more. Life in Stockton returned

to normal in the months

following the toxic leak but

residents want to know why they

were kept in the dark for so long. Government department

sat on it for three days. If it

had have been a lethal dose,

the repercussions could have

been horrendous. The Government

will introduce laws requiring

companies to immediately report any environmental breaches to

authority. If they don't, they

could face a $2 million fine.

There will also be a local

environmental monitoring system

which could see residents

notified of future incidents

via text message. We want to

ensure no community has to go

through what Stockton went

through in August. Locals are

welcomed the changes. What we

need is things like the early

warnings I think we've got

tahave more monitoring and more

public involvement with knowing

what's going on over there. The

new measures are based on

recommendations by the former head of the Premiers

department, Brendan O'Reilly.

He blames Orica for the communication delays and clears

the Government. We're all

sorry that the people of Stockton went through so much

heart ache, so much concern and

so much worry. The Opposition says Mr O'Reilly's

investigation was flawed.

Today's report doesn't tell us

why it took the Government 54

hours to tell the public about

that chemical leak. The

Government will face a new

round of questions about its management of the incident when

a parliamentary inquiry begins

next week. Tasmania's biggest

hospital is set to close two

operating theatres and as many as 25

as 25 surgical beds. The Royal Hobart Hospital is post-poninging hundreds of

surgeries in a bid to save $45

million over the next three

years. The effect of sweeping

Budget cuts on Tasmania's

biggest hospital remains

unclear but it's been revealed

the Royal Hobart Hospital will

be forced to close up to 25

beds and one of its operating

theatres. No one wants to make

decisions and have a negative

impact on patients. This will

have devastating impact on our

emergency services, access to

beds. Funding forlective

surgery has been cut by $45

million over the next three

years. But at this stage we're

looking at a reduction of

elective surgical sessions, a

net reduction of about 10

sessions each week. That could

force up to 1200 operations to

be post-poned. What we are

doing is managing our elective

surgery list to allow us to

come in on budge sot we have a

sustainable health system.

They're very tough decisions

and there is no one person in

the Royal that's saying, "Ya

yay, we've got to do this."

It's unclear how many jobs will

go as part of the cuts. I

haven't got the detail of that

either at this stage and I

appreciate that's quite frustrating for staff. Spending

on elective surgery is also

being cut in the State's

north. The plan is in fact

about phasing down come the

Christmas period but after that

there will be a significant

reduction in category 2s and

3s. Waiting lists will blow out at the Launceston General

Hospital. We're probably

talking about 1,000-plus

procedures potentially being

delayed for the that 9-month

period. Two wards will also

have to close. Closing beds is

what we're proposing to do and

not just one or two here and there because that doesn't give

us the cost savings we need.

Meaning many uncertain weeks

ahead for health staff and

those waiting for treatment.

Let's look at the front pages

of the major newspapers - 'The Australian' reports business and welfare groups are demanding more action on tax

reform as the Treasurer flags a

rise in the tax-free threshold.

'The Age' reports the emergency

department at Melbourne's

Austin hospital is overwhelmed

and overcrowded. The

'Courier-Mail' reports the Australian Crime Commission

will investigate Liberal

national leader Campbell

Newman's financial interests.

The 'Canberra Times' says the

taxpayers will foot the bill

for Territory water changes.

CCTV footage showed a police

officer kicking a woman in the police cell. Northern Territory news rOrchts off duty police

officers allegedly bashed a man

in an unprovokeded attack.

Sydney suburbeds would be

serviced by high frequency

metro style trains under a new plan from transport NSW. That

story in the snarl. That's a

really a familiar-sounding

story. Like deja vu all over again. The 'Financial Review'

reports the ASX is considering

new reporting rules for the re sources industry. The 'Daily

Telegraph' reports teachers

could be forced to counsel

students on their rights after

a District Court judgment. A

father of three has died while

trying to rescue his son from

falling down a gorge. That's in

the Western Australian. The

Murray says up to - the mercury

says up to 115 hospital beds

will close as a result of cuts

by the Tasmanian Government.

The 'Advertiser' says SA's best

public school teachers have

been honoured at an awards

ceremony. Speaking of awards

ceremonies, you've got a BBC

news report there we're going

to be updating you shortly and

bringing you footage of Dr

Kylie Minogue. Yes, she's been

awarded an honorary doctorate

at Anglia Ruskin University for

the work she's done towards

making people aware of breast

cancer issues. Dr Minogue has

won that award for what has

been a very great public

campaign for her to raise

breast cancer awareness. It's

very interesting in this very interesting in this and

previous jobs I've done with

the ABC, whenever I've

interviewed a doctor about

breast cancer, they will talk

to you about what they culethe

Kylie effect which is whenever

Kylie Minogue speaks publicly

about prancer they immediate ly

get a rush of women coming in

saying, "I've been ignoring

this lump and ages. I better

get it checked out." They

should be so lucky. Last one, I

promise. You said you

wouldn't. I said I wouldn't

say anything bad about Kylie. I

didn't say I wouldn't make puns. You're genetically incapable. I'm hard-wired.

Kylie Minogue is one of 12

people to be conferred honorary degrees today by this

university which has campuses

in Essex and Cambridge. She is

in esteemed company. Novelalist

Jilly coopser getting a doctor

of letters. An accessories

designer is getting an honorary

doctor of arts and a few other

prominent British celebrities.

5-time Olympic swimmer Mark

Foster. And economist Kate

Barker join Kylie Minogue at the Anglia Ruskin University as

honorary doctors. Our grymp to Kylie Minogue this morning. Emma Alberici will be

talking to us shortly about the

conferring of that degree. You

might want to wish Kylie

Minogue your own

congratulations. You can

contact us at:

Let's take a quick look at the weather now.

The top stories on ABC News

Breakfast - representatives

from business, unions and

Government are gathering in

Canberra for today's jobs

forum. Speakers will be looking

at ways to breath jobs,

particularly in manufacturing.

- ways to protect jobs

particularly in manufacturing.

Afghanistan's Government has

foiled an assassination plot

against President Hamid Karzai.

Six people including one of the

President's own body guard have

been arrested. Authorities

believe this is connected to

recent attacks on several of Mr

Karzai's allies. And a

31-year-old man will face court

today over the stabbing death

of two men during a brawl in

the Victorian town of Casterton

on Tuesday. The man was

arrested in SA yesterday and

he's been extra dited to

Victoria to face those murder

charges. There have been skirmishes in central Athens

during a protest against the

latest austerity measures

announced by the

Government. Groups of youths

threw stones at police who

spped with tear gas and stun

grenades. Europe correspondent

Philip Williams reports. Once again, the Greek parliament was

the focus of angry protests

against the tough austerity

cuts and sell-offs. The gulf

between what the Government says is a necessary evil and

what these people say are

unbearable sacrifices has never

been wider and now even the

International Monetary Fund

appears to be changing course.

Instead of austerity at any

price, the new word is growth.

There should be a new program

for Greece, probably different

in nature from the existing

one, one that will put even

more emphasis on generating long-term growth and therefore

not focussing exclusively on

budget and public finances and

so forth but more on relaunching economic

growth. The argument appears to

be that a Greek recession can't

grow back to prosperity and

repay debts and the IMF

suggested with the heightened

risk of European recession, the

richer countries like Germany,

France and Britain should

consider borrowing to stimulate

growth in their economies. It's

not a message British Prime

Minister dram wants to hear.

The only way out of a debt

crisis is to deal with your

debts. That's why households

are paying down the credit

cards and the store card

bills. Speaking at his party's

annual conference, he said his

Government's strict austerity

plan would work but he conceded

the global financial signs are

not good. The threat to the

world economy and to Britain is

as serious as in 2008 when

world recession loomed. The

Eurozone is in crisis, the French and the German economies

have slowed to a stand-still.

Even mighty America is

questioned about her debts. It

is an anxious time. With the

multiplying risks to banks and entire economies, the Prime

Minister's appeal to the

British spirit of optimism and

resolve may be stretching an

aural weary and worried nation.

From an Italian prison cell to

a celebrity homecoming,

American student Amanda Knox

has returned to Seattle after

being acquitted of murder and

sexual assault. The BBC's David

Willis reports. Acquitted of

murder and now back home, quite

a week for Amanda Knox. Little

wonder then that she's

struggling to take it all in.

They're reminding me to speak

in English because I'm having

problems with that. Um...I'm

really overwhelmed right now. I

was looking down from the

airplane and it seemed like

everything wasn't real. What's

important for me to say is just

thank you to everyone who's

believed in me, who's defended

me, who's supported my family.

My family's the most important

thing to me right now and I

just want to go and be with

them so thank you for being

there for me. APPLAUSE Relief

on the part of Amanda Knox's

family that she's back home

but as for Meredith Kercher,

Amanda Knox's lawyer stressed

that she and Amanda had been

stressed and she urged Ms

Knox's supporters to remember

Meredith in their prayers. That

was followed by a plea to the

media for Amanda Knox to be

left alone to rebuild her life,

a request which may not be

granted although her father

insists she has no plans to

sell her story. Now it's just

a matter of giving Amanda some

time to readjust to being able

to be outside and do what she wants hopefully when she

wants. Although the emphasis

now is on getting back to

normal here in Seattle, it's

thought that eventually Amanda

Knox may have little option but

to sell her story in order to meet legal bills estimated at

three-quarters of a million

pounds. Amanda Knox's family

had asked people here to play

down the homecoming nature of

her release out of respect for

Meredith Kercher but the

overwhelming view here is that

Amanda Knox, far from being

guilty of Meredith's murder,

was the victim of a massive

miscarriage of justice. The

BBC's David Willis reporting

there. We'll look at the

markets for you now.

Let's check sport headlines.

Paul Kennedy, good morning. We

haven't heard the last of the drama involving the Newcastle

Jets soccer side? No, it's

dragging on and Jason Culina

has support from the players'

union and two Socceroos have

thrown their support behind the

sacked Newcastle Jets recruit

and his father was sacked. The

players' union is set to fight

to honour Jason Culina's

contract. Just why the

Newcastle Jets sacked coach

Branko Culina remains Branko Culina remains a mystery. Culina has told the

ABC he needs space and will give his view whz the time is

appropriate. The reasons for

off loading had his injured son

Jason are somewhat clearer. The

club will apply to Football

Federation Australia to set

aside his contract, citing

medical advice on his playing

future. That application's unprecedented and we're

certainly not aware of any

power FFA would have to set

aside Jason contract. The FFA

said it has no authority to set

aside a standard player

contract and grievances are

subject to independent arbitration. Jason Culina was

signed as a Jets marquee player

for three years and had a

successful international career

with the Socceroos. If it gets

sorted out quickly, Jason can

hopefully do his rehab, get

back on the park and everything

will be OK. I think if anyone

can come back from a serious

injury it's probably Jason.

He's I in the the fittest, most

professional player in the

national teams. Australia plays

a friendly against Malaysia in

Canberra on Friday night. The

AFL premiership-winning captain

Cameron Ling retired as

expected yesterday after three

flags, 246 games, the Geelong

captain's last official duty

was to lead the team through a

victory parade in the city he

loves. Whatever the crowd

figure t was large, as Geelong

supporters packed the

foreshore. They'd come from a

Geelong street parade hailed as

the biggest yet. I don't want

think there would be as many people but I think they've

topped the last couple of times

we've won so it's awesome. In

Geelong, the Cats are loved.

It's just they're really nice

blokes. They're a brilliant

team, mate. Cameron Ling was

refusing to discuss next year.

Good note to go out on? It's a

fantastic dayed today. So many

people out and they give us so

much support and we really

appreciate it. It's really nice

to have this day with

them. Even after a third

premiership in five years,

thousands of Cats fans have

flocked the streets of Geelong

and surely no other town in

Australia has such a connection

with its AFL team. It's the

first time I've been able to experience what a real

community is like and I think

the Geelong footy compluB is

good for the town and even more

importantly, the town's good

for the club. The street was

named Premiership Way and

Matthew scarlet took advantage

of being mayor for the day.

There's a little bar across the

road called The Edge. If you've

got a Geelong jumper on you can

get free drinks there for the

next week. Cameron Ling will

have more time as a publican

after announcing his

retirement. I've had 12 years

at yong and loved every at yong and loved every single minute of it. It's been home to

me, it's the club I barracked

for as a kid growing up in Geelong. The captain has bowed

out on top. Let's look at the conditions the Wallabies are

going to face on the weekend as

we look to the quarterfinals

against South Africa. Pat

McCabe might return to play in

the centres just to toughen up

the midfield a bit. He's

returning from a shoulder

injury. Getting a few players

back. Michael and Virginia,

it's going to be wet and windy

in Wellington. The Aussies are

talking about changing their

style to basically do what everyone else is doing, kick

the ball down the other end and

wait for the opposition to make

a mistake. Plenty of midfield

bombs and not so much flare

from the Aussies. Will that

hamper our chances? Once we

get going we can be a very good

attacking, exciting side. I

think they're just going to have to wait for their

opportunity, the Wallabies, and

the forwards are going to have

a big job ahead of them and

really the forwards have to win

the tournament from here and

the backvise to ride on the

back of some really aggressive

upfront play. It looks like

the grounds over there are

pretty old school as well, that

once a bit of rain gets on them

they'll turn into boggy mess

s? Maybe, yeah. I think they're

quite lush in New Zealand

traditionally. I think the

stadium in Auckland where

they're playing had semifinals

and the finals, I think that's

as good as you can get

anywhere, no doubt. I think Wellington's groundsman is

going to have a job ahead of

him to try and keep all the

water off. It will be more slippery than boggy I'd

say. Thanks, Paul. Now ABC News Breakfast of course can be

watched live on the web. Visit

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long do they last though?

Would you get through an Would you get through an entire

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the $40 tablet. Vanessa

O'Hanlon joins us with a look

at the weather. An intensive

cloudband connected to a broad

toff extends from Queensland to

the Southern Ocean. Low level

cloud over southern SA in an

onshore southerly air flow.

Patchy cloud making its way

into the southwest. The trough

in the east is generating

widespread showers and storms

across the eastern states with

a large rain band sweeping over

Queensland's southeast and

northeast NSW this morning. So

far 15mm at Saint George and

nearly 4 in Brisbane. By

tomorrow, the rain will become more isolated to the eastern

districts of Victoria, Tasmania

and swaifls and a weak low and

trough will produce showers and isolated storms in the Northern

Territory and we'll also see a

front that will brush WA's southwest. You're watching ABC News Breakfast. Still to come

on the program we'll have more

on the Federal Government's

jobs forum. Yes, a jobs forum

starts today in Canberra, a day

after a 2-day tax forum. Simply

those people can't get enough

chat. We'll talk to ACTU

President current current

conabout what the unions are

looking for out of today's talk

fest. The focus for them seems

to be on protecting Australian

jobs. Leading the news, the Federal Government is indeed

turning it attention from tax

to jobs today. About 100

representatives from business,

unions and Government are

gathering in Canberra for a jobs forum. The focus will be

on the struggling manufacturing

sector which has been hit by

the mining boom and the high

Australian Dollar. Afghan

authority have arrested six

people accused of plotting to

assassinate President Hamid

Karzai. One of the President's

body guards is among those

arrested. The Afghan Government

says the alleged plotters have

links to the militant Haqqani

network. Several of Mr Karzai's

allies, including his brother,

have been killed over recent

months. A man will face court

today charged over a double

homicide in the southwestern

Victorian town of Casterton.

Two men were stabbed to death

and another two injured in a neighbourhood dispute on

Tuesday night. Police arrested

a 31-year-old man in Mount

Gambier in SA. An Australian

man has pleaded guilty in a US Federal Court for accepting

bribes while working as a

contractor in Afghanistan.

Cannel Campbell had been

working for an organisation rebuilding schools and

hospitals. He's accused of

accepting a $10,000 bribe for

funneling projects to an Indian

subtracter. Campbell faces a

quarter of a million dollar

fine and 10 years in jail. A

refugee living in Australia for

10 years has been jailed by an

Indonesian court for people

smuggling. Heidar Ali was

arrested by Indonesia police in

May travelling to Java's south

with a known people smuggler

and 32 people from the Middle

East. More now on our story

that Afghan security officers

have arrested a group of people

in connection wan alleged plot

to assassinate President Hamid

Karzai. Thesis spects were

detained after raids in the

capital Kabul. Afghanistan

correspondent Sally Sara sent

this report. Intelligence

officials here in Afghanistan

are hoping to make further arrests in connection with this

plot. There's lot of concern

that one of the President's own

body guards was among those arrested. Intelligence

officials say the alleged

plotters were trained by groups

linked to Al Qaeda and the

Haqqani network across the

border in north Waziristan in

Pakistan. As this news was

breaking, President Karzai was

finished a 2-day visit to India

where he signed an agreement on

security and cooperation with

the Indian Government.

President Karzai was very

careful to stress that he want

to maintain Afghanistan's

relationship with neighbouring

and Afghanistan as twin Pakistan. He described Pakistan

brothers and that India was a

friend of Afghanistan. That

relationship is very

complicated and very important

at the moment. President Karzai

has indicated he want to hold

peace negotiations with the Pakistani Government to try and

deal with the insurgency which

is spilling across both sides

of the bord. Here in the

capital Kabul, the level of

security remains high not only

because of this plot but

because of ongoing tension and

concerns about further attacks

in Kabul and elsewhere across

the country. Sally Sara in

Afghanistan and after 7 we'll be speaking to the Defence

Minister Stephen Smith who's in

Brussels meeting his counterparts from the US and

Britain to discuss the ongoing

war there. Now, it was a 40th

birthday celebration that ended

in tragedy. Sydneysider Sonia

Marra was flying over Manhattan

on a dream sight-seeing tour

when the helicopter plunged

into New York's East River.

Two other passengers were

serious ly injured. The helicopter which spun out of

control and lanupside down

short yfr taking off from a

heliport by Manhattan's east

river. The experienced pilot, a

friend of the four passengers,

tried to turn back after

experiencing mechanical

problems but he couldn't make

it. The noise was really like

a big thump. I heard it very

counterterrorism drill nearby loud. Police officers on a

leapt into the water. Emergency

workers were on the scoon in

seconds. A frantic rescue

effort was under way. The pilot

and three of the passengers

were clinging on to the

helicopter. They were hang

oggen to the rails. I have

feeling they took in a lot of

water. They were like

ship-wrecked almost, just on

the rails of the helicopter. In

dramatic scenes, emergency

workers rescued the pilot and

pulled it the three passengers

who'd managed to get out of the

helicopter to safety, but Sonia

Marra, celebrating her 40th birthday with this flight, was

trapped in the submerged

helicopter and died. Sonia's

mother, stepfather and partner

survived. New York's mayor

expressed his sorrow for the

family's loss. Our prayers are

with the deceased and our

prayers are also that those

three people in the hospital

recover from their injuries. In

the wake of the crash by this heliport, questions are being

asked about the number of

helicopters in New York's

skies. One law-maker has called

on the aviation authorities to

look at whether tourist

helicopters should even be

allowed to fly out of

Manhattan. The wreckage of the

helicopter has been pulled out

of the East River. Safety

officials have begun to

investigate what turned a

celebratory family trip into a

tragedy. The BBC's Laura

Trevelyan. Now, Israeli

scientist Daniel Shechtman has

won this year's Nobel prize for

chemistry. The Nobel jury

recognised had him for his

discovery of quasi-crist scplz

the scientist said the win was

a tribute to thousands of other

in his field. I feel I'm

representative of a large

community of people who study

quasi-periodic materials,

nicknamed quasi-crystals, and I

represent thousands of them so

nobody is giving this to

thousands of them but to a

representative so I represent

them. Yes, I have discovered it

but the science wouldn't be

here and wouldn't be as

prosperous and complicated and

intricate as it is if not for

the work of thousands of

scientists around the world and

many of them are excellent,

excellent scientists who

dedicated years for this and so

I feel proud for all these

communities, I feel great for

them and for me, yes. Daniel

Shechtman there who, according

to 'The Guardian', his work in

trying to argue these quasi-crystals existed was so

controversial he was ridiculed

and asked to leave his research

group because hoe he wasn't

taken seriously. Now he's won

the Nobel prize in chemistry. A

quick read on what it is,

crystal structures in frozen

gobbets of metal that resemble

the beautiful patterns seen in

Islamic mosaics. They're less

solid than the period ic

elements. That's all I can

tell you. Science lesson over.

We'll all be scientists by the

end of the week. Let's come

back home and a procedural

slip-up is threatening to

undermine hundreds of criminal

cases before Victorian

courts. It's emerged police

officers have fallen out of the

habit of making sworn

affidavits. Raids like these

are usually dependent on a

magistrate's approval based on

police affidavits they are

necessary but some police are

failing to swear to the

truthfulness of the materials

submitted to the courts. This

is a break of one of the most

fundamental 10 Ofts criminal

law. The search warrants are

prima facie invalid and can in

other cases where affidavits

are sworn by - ought to be

sworn by members of the police

and tendered in evidence, they

also are all potentially

invalid. If the evidence is

improperly obtained it could

lead to submissions evidence

could be excluded and or cases

could be over turned on

appeals. Police officers with

decades of experience have told

the ABC it's not how they were trained and expect it's a

practice that has inadvertently

slipped in. I'm not about to rush into

rush into any conclusion that

suggests that either the wrong

thing's been done or

deliberately or inadvertently. But the Opposition was more

forthcoming. It is important

they're properly sworn and to

the extent there's been a

problem with the way they've

been sworn, I would hope and

expect that will end today.

The criminal bar association

also want to see an immediate

remedy to the problem. Senior

police have given damning

evidence in an inquiry into a

riot at Sydney's Villawood detention centre that took

place earlier this year.

Police told the inquiry security was inadequate and

their warnings of a violent

incident at Villawood were

ignored. John Stewart reports.

In April, a riot involving

about 100 detainees broke out at the Villawood detention

centre in Sydney. Protesters

climbed on to the roof and nine

buildings were set alight. The

damage bill for the huge fire

ran into millions of dollars.

Immigration Department

officials told a parliamentary

inquiry that at the time of the

protest they did don't the NSW

police did not have the

jurisdiction to enter the

complex which is built on

Commonwealth land. At no time

was I led to believe that the

NSW police would not provide

support to us at Villawood. The

detention centre operators,

Serco, then called the Federal

Police who drove four hours

from Canberra. Six months later

and the issue of jurisdiction

still hasn't been sorted out.

The NSW police and the

Immigration Department are yet

to sign a memorandum of

understanding on just how

dealt incident at the centre will be

dealt with. The police say they

won't sign any deal with Serco

without strict limits placed on

their role in policing the

centre. The expectation from

DIAC is the NSW police force

are going to run the detention

centre for them is chis not

going to be the case. The NSW police told the inquiry that police officers were involved

in a training exercise last

August where the possibility of

fire at the centre was

discussed with staff from Serco

and the Immigration Department.

The police say their concerns

about a fire were ignored. One

of those exercises I took a direct involvement in and

escalated the scenario to a

fire within the centre and what

the response would be and what

the contingency plans would be.

At the end of the scenario and

a debrief was conducted, I was told the scenario was

unrealistic and would never

happen. Police also asked

Serco staff if detainees could

be stopped from climbing on to

the roof. At that time I was

informed that that had been

done by the way of some special

paint that had been utilised

around the poles and roof area

to prevent people climbing on

to the roof. Serco officials

defended their handling of the

riot. We took steps to secure

those facilities that could be

secured to make sure that the

clients who'd had to evacuate

from one part of the compound

to another were kept safe and

indeed that whatever could be

done to limit the damage with

the use of fire appliances was

being done. This wasn't a

complete loss of control, this was limiting the damage which

had occurred. And Serco

management say they could not

foresee such violent situations

when the company took control

of the detention centre two

years ago. The levels of

violence witnessed on that

disphouth the incident which

escalated to the levels that it

did were not contemplated when

we signed the contract in June 2009. The Australian Federal

Police are not convinced that

the Villawood detention centre

is designed to deal with riot

or other major incidents. The

infrastructure and protocols

that were developed were

developed some time ago for

compliant individuals. These

centres were never designed for

noncompliant individuals of the

type we are now seeing. The

parliamentary inquiry into

immigration is due to report in

March next year. John Stewart reporting. You're watching ABC

News Breakfast. The top stories

- representatives from

business, unions and Government

are gathering in Canberra for

today' jobs forum. Speakers

with bile looking at ways to

protect jobs particularly in

manufacturing which has been

suffering from the mining boom

and the high Australian Dollar. Afghanistan's

Government has foiled an assassination plot against

President Hamid Karzai. Six

people, including one of the

President's body guards, have been arrested. Authorities

believe this attempt is

connected to recent attacks on

several of Mr Karzai's ally. A

31-year-old man will face court

today over the stabbing death

of two men during a brawl in

the Victorian town of Casterton

on Tuesday. The man was

arrested across the border in

SA yesterday and extradited

back to Victoria to face those murder charges.

Let's take a look at today's

papers. We're joined by Tim

Wilson from the Institute of

Public Affairs. Good morning. A

nice wrap-around there that the

'Financial Review' has done in

the wake of the tax sum isn't

20 pages to send you to sleep

if you're interested in the tax

summit. Why am I the only one

interested in the tax summit?

I am interested as well but a

20-page lift-south incredible.

You can read how Wayne Swan

want to increase the tax-free

threshold and Jamie Briggs want

to expand the GST and Ken Henry

thinks we should have the start

of a conversation about tax

reform and you can even read what Rob Oakeshott wants. He

want everybody to come together in spiritual harmony and negotiate in the country's

interest. Why is the mocking

of Rob Oakeshott a national

sport now? If that phrase came

out of the mouth of anyone else

- it would be good if this country came together and

worked together in the

interests of national harmony -

everybody else would say, "Good

idea." I don't think you want

my opinion about why Rob

Oakeshott's mocks has become a

national sport. I don't see

why politics shouldn't be taken

seriously. I think he often

has a simplistic notion of

politics and it's easy to be

there as an Independent in this

prime spot. I think he'll tell

you there's nothing about his

life that's easy. I will buy

that. I'll take that

comment. If they don't deliver

20 pages on the tax summit, the

'Financial Review',er who else

is going to? What's

fascinating about the tax

summit is apart from 'The

Australian' and AFR, it barely

rates a mention in the papers.

There's no communication, no

real outcome. As Ken Henry

outlined t was just the start

of a discussion. Basically it

was an exercise in everyone

saying what they didn't like

about the current tax system

and many had their own reasons

why, many were entirely

conflicting but legitimate.

Barnaby Joyce said if you had

the Australian tax system you

would scrap it and start fresh

and design something new and I

think there's a lot of merit in

that concept. No-one would come

up with a tax system the way we

have it now if we were to start

fresh. The challenge is how to

do that and structurally

redesign the tax system. That's

a significant schaling for any

Government. Assuminging the

tax system is that bad to begin

with entirely. It does assume that but there are problems

with the tax system depending

on where you sit. You had

Heather Ridout on yesterday

talking about how there was big

issues around venture capital

to make sure we use research in

the future and you need a level

of fairness and equity and Ken

Henry said not everything can

be fair and equitable. It was

good to hear someone say that.

He doesn't have to stand for

election so he can. Turning election so he can. Turning to

'The Australian', page 2, we

now move Tom tax summit to job

summit and they've got a focus

on what a lot of people are

going to be wanting out of this

particular talk fest? That's

right. What we've seen on the

front page of 'The Australian'

is a story from Rod Henderson

from a Newcastle-based

manufacturing saying what we

don't need is more tariffs and

protectionism. I completely

agroi but we have Paul Howes,

head of the Australian Workers

Union, saying that no country

is playing buthe rules of free

trade and we need these sorts

of measures, reducing skilled

Labor as well which is a significant position to take

and then to look at possible

avenues for protection or

effective protections through

local content, naming and

shaming of companies. This is a

big - whatever comes out of

this summit, which I suspect

nothing will in the same sort

of way, but if the country were

to go down that path it would

be a significant realignment in

terms of economic

direction. That's a classic

example of what we're talk

about before with den Henry

where someone's prepared to

call it as it is but it's not

real politic. There's no-one

who want to talk about job

protectionism anymore when it

comes to the politicians but

neither can they afford to be

the person in charge when the

jobs are lost. No-one wants to

talk in old school

protectionism but don't want to

be losing industries either.

That's right. Politicians have a difficult time at the moment

because manufacturing is being

hit so hard by the dollar and

in the past week and a half ,

two weeks it's gone down

significantly. By China doing

it more cheaply. That's right.

This will equally come out with

outcomes which people won't

necessarily like if it does

come out with any. I suspect

this was a tick the box

exercise for the Prime

Minister, dealing with unions

going up and asking for various forms of protection a few

mnings ago. I'm not so convinced there'll bow an

outcome. 'The Age' looks at -

I forget his name. A shy,

retiring Opposition

frontbencher. Malcolm somebody. This is your

gag. Malcolm Turnbull. Has

never come across a disy he's

never liked and he's found one

oversea s? I love this pattern

of behaviour by Opposition MPs

in particular. And former

leaders. They're not allowed

to talk outside their portfolio

area when they're in Australia

so they go to the London school

of economics and drop a

bombshell speech and say, "I'm

not doing this to the

Australian audience it's just

the all the media outlets have

it leaked to them. But they're

good at it. Kevin Rudd when he

does that overseas, it might

irritate Julia Gillard but he's

good at it. When Malcolm

Turnbull does it he's good at

it. Christopher Pyne did one

recently to Policy Exchange in

the UK and of course shadow

foreign affairs Ministers don't

necessarily like people talking

about their policy areas but

Malcolm's speech by and large

was good. It was about how we

should be engaging with China,

we shouldn't be trying to

restrict it in an unnecessary

way, we should be asking positive questions about if

Australia and the United States

in compare san to China is in compare san to China is in

its decline, why aren't we

keeping up pace and fining new

ways to be better? From what

I've read the is a lot of

motherhood statements but it a

good attitudinal statement and

he also listens to his iPod

apparently. Rerzer got I

everything. He's merble 2.22.

If you're a believer in free

speech you want to hear from

the smart people when they've

got something good to say

because there's so few of them.

There's so few of these people

you would want had hear at

length really ruminating on

some subject. I groedly agree

- I broadly agree. Poor old Mr

Griggs has - Briggs, I'm sorry,

that it's not such a good idea.

We mentioned yesterday the

release of iPhone 4S but what

was interesting to me when we

were talking about the release

and the 'Herald Sun''s got a

story on this is that the iPhone actually doesn't have

the largest segment of the

market when it comes to the

smart phones. Which does? All

the Androids. All up, they have

39% and the I brand is dragging

the chain at number three. In

the United States I know there

are issues about tying it to

particular carriers, different

phone products and so as a

consequence some products

haven't made the full market

reach they'd hoped to. We've

seen this analysis in the

'Herald Sun' if you want to go

look at it, at the end of the

day it's what suits you and

everything else. Finally,

bananas, $7.99 this week. This

is very exciting news. They

could have been cheaper if we

had have had free trade. Just

slipped it in at the end. That

little child is sitting there

going, "Give me free trade."

Quite right. Tim, always good

to see you. Let's look at the sport headlines and Paul

Kennedy, the Wallabies are

still gearing up ahead of the crucial team announcement ahead

of their quarterfinal. They are

and they're talking about a different style this week. They're going to mirror what

the South Africans did to win

the World Cup in 2007 and it's

going to be quite a task.

They're up against virtually

that same team, a large part of

that team is plague against

Australia this weekend in the

quarter finals and those are

the conditions. Very wet and

windy for the Aussies. They

were cold yesterday but the

heat will be on Sunday and see

if they can pull out all stops

and win that quarterfinal,

maybe go on to play the All

Blacks after that. The goal

kicking's going to be very,

very crucial to James O'Connor

having the sole kicking duties.

Haven't covered too much of the

Champions League Twenty20

tournament going on at the

moment but this one has to rate

a mention. Callum Ferguson

knocked up 70-odd and Dan

Harris hit 108 not out as SA

made 214. Seemed like a great total particularly when Shaun Tait took five wickets, Michael

Clinger and Tom Cooper collided

getting out Chris Gail. That

hurt but this one hurt even

more. They needed six off the

last ball, the royal Challengers Bangalore and over

she goes. Aaron hit the 6 out

of the park and so that team

goes through, the Royal

Challengers go through to the

semifinal. Australia

international lean Jason Culina

is shocked and dish appointed

by Newcastle Jets' wish to tear

up his contract. They tore up

his dad's product as well but

there's more to be played out

with Jason's because the

players' union is going to get

involved. They say the league

has got no right to set aside a

contract. More to play out as

Newcastle Jets gear up for

their first match on Friday

night as the A-League kicks

off. And I've attached

something to my Twitter account

this morning. Very sad news in

English cricket, Graham Dili

has died at the age of 52. He

had a good career as a fast

bowler. His best contribution

was with the bat at the famous

Test at headingly where he and

Ian Botham batteded for a long

time and got England back into

one of the great tests. He was

very young and had battled with

cancer. Vanessa O'Hanlon joins

us with the weather now.

Today's satellite image, cloudy from Queensland's north-west

all the way down towards the Southern Ocean and low level

cloud lies over the southern

parts of SA. Patchy cloud is

moving into the southwest ahead

of a trough. The trough in the

east is generating widespread

showers and storms right across

the eastern states. By tomorrow

the rain will become more

isolated to the eastern

districts of Victoria, Tasmania

and NSW. Around the states: Still ahead on ABC News

Breakfast, we're going to be

speaking to the Defence

Minister Stephen Smith. He's

in Brussels where NATO Defence

Ministers have been discussing

a range of issues including the

war in Afghanistan. This

Program Is Captioned Live.

First tax now employment.

Canberra gets down to work on

its jobs forum. The Afghan

Government foils an assassination plot against President Hamid Karzai. Taking

hope from tragedy , the family

of a toddler killed by a train

donate his organs. This will hopefully prevent another

family or families from

suffering. And Dr Kylie, the

Australian pop singer receives

an honorary degree from a

British university. Good

morning. You're watching ABC

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